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30:20 The issue here isn't actually that the ring takes off (it is meant to do that, seeking out the next Lantern), it's that Shark is able to wear and use it at all prior to it going away. The moment GL died, the ring would not let someone walk up and pick it off his corpse.
You gotta give props to how creatively they actually kill the Justice League. Batman was shot with a gun. Flash was taken out with a gun. Green Lantern died from a bullet wound from a gun. And Superman was shot with a gun.
For those who don't know, when a revolver is fired, the cartridge case stays in it's chamber, and has to be removed, usually by pushing the ejector rod.
i was gonna call it lazy titling, but saying that to Whitelight's videos is one hell of an insult. nothing staggeringly bad about his videos, his commentary is nice, the jokes are pretty good but not forced or repetitive, and he doesnt just come up with random excuses to call a game mediocre, while hiding its actual positive traits.
The visual clutter makes it look like a fake game they'd show for a second in a TV show with the actor mashing the controller randomly. I guess that's what WB excecs think game actually look like...
Exactly...gotta admit i have like 27 hours on the game and completed the story (which is pure dogshit btw, seemed like it was written by a 14 y.o DC fan as a "fanfiction", could go on a rant about it). And even tho there were times where the traversal and combat werent too bad...my god the visual clutter. When you are in a bigger fight it looks like the game is straight up tryna give you an epileptic shock, the fucking colors everywhere.
But WB exec had nothing to do with this. This is ALL Rocksteady. This all their failure. This all the choices THEY made. Just as Anthem was Bioware's failure. Stop giving the blame to higher ups when the corruption is in the studio and dev level.
It feels like the executives at WB don't understand that they can't force us to like live service and when they release a game that fails only developers suffer the consequences . It is a toxic cycle that needs to end
How many cynical, incompetent cash grabs is it going to take to bankrupt WB? That’s the only kind of consequence they would respond to, but it will never happen.
I do very much HATE games that make damage be super inflated. Like have weapons do 100k damage but it so happens that everyone has like 1 billion hit points, so it’s just a big number for the sake of a big number, trying to make it look more powerful despite the fact it’s not, bc if you divided everything, you could get small and understandable numbers pretty quickly
looking at this terrible epilepsy-inducing UI reminds me of the Elden Ring minimal UI "controversy". The laughable attempt of "experts" to defend stuff like this.
I had to pause this video multiple times/just listen to the audio due to the headache and overwhelm the ui was giving me. Shit like this misses ALL the marks of UI/UX design.
@@QuickQuips Arkham Knight UI is so well designed that your queue for "shit i am dying" is a beeping sound that gets faster when you are one shot away from death. That's good design, not this Fortnite-esque bloat that also gives people like me over-stimulation headaches
The fact that rocksteady wasted so many years on this game when they could have been developing a worthy successor to the arkham series is honestly one of the most unfortunate things to come out of this whole situation.
Suicide squad is never a worthy successor to the arkham series. If I have to choose I probably have to pick spiderman. Not wolverine or this wonder woman game.
You want.. another spiderman game instead of something unique? I mean jfc i LOVE the spiderman games (the 20 year old ones too) but we need something different lmao@@nemesisprime4501
It's the anti-video game. A boring, meaningless marathon of cheap stimulation with a skin mask of your favorite things that you've already seen millions of times. All the effort only serves to guide you to a store for you to put more money into a facade that pretends to care about you. It's literally the Happy Box from Mother 3.
30:00 Nah. Co-op isn't an excuse. If a 10yo MMO like FFXIV can create well paced raids for 24 people that tell good stories, a modern game should be able to accommodate to 4 people controlling preestablished characters. Otherwise, nothing is stopping them from making those missions single player only. This could have been an easy win in terms of narrative, and they did everything to avoid making the right decisions. It's a shame that the devs ar Rocksteady will be the ones to pay for the consequences instead of the people who decided to transform the idea into this lifeless live service.
There's a good saying that I like to quote, but can't for the life of me remember who said it first. "Even playing with shit's fun with friends. You're still playing with shit, though."
@@mortemtyrannus8813 It MIGHT have been Yahtzee (back in his Zero Punctuation days) who said it when reviewing one of the many terrible multiplayer games he's reviewed but then I feel like that saying has been around for as long as this 'live service' trend has been going on for.
@EXiLExJD I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but yeah, I WILL laugh at and avoid soulless live service slob (unless it's Deep Rock Galactic, the only good, moral and ethical live service)
Especially with deadshot. Are we supposed to believe that there was an imposter deadshot running around for a decade and Batman never mentions it either out loud or in his notes?
I swear this game looks like the video game equivalent of something a casino would have. Brightly colored explosions and flashing surfaces everywhere, particle effects, numbers going up and taking up more screen space as they get bigger. Bars filling up, constant changes everywhere in general. All to overload your brain and distract you that you wasted your money on that shit. Well I guess it's on theme with it being live service I give them that.
sometime stuff like that make me hate No Man's Sky, because of the game able to revive after all the backlash that many people cling to that excuse for a broken game
I think this should have been a Wonder Woman game instead. It would be far more interesting to see Diana struggle with the fact she has to stop & probably kill the same people she called friends , family. The people who built something great in order to protect the innocent sadly now gone. It makes sense matchup wise for her to be able to fight the league. Then after the end maybe Diana is the leader of a new league.
I heard a similar idea somewhere else where Batman was the only one not controlled, so he had to use his contingencies to free his friends. That would’ve been a really cool game, figuring out how to subdue the Justice League and fight with your brain.
Wasn't this meant to tie in/capitalize off of the better Suicune Squad movie tho? Since it did so well? I think the idea of playing as the Suicune Squad is really cool, the idea of them killing the Justice League is cool, but there was no way they could execute it without seeming ridiculous...like someone said about the first SS movie, it's ridiculous to expect this group to defeat world ending threats, they weren't created to do that, keep it smaller in scope. Plus yknow all the other issues with the game. I do like the idea of one member of the JL going against their family and friends but personally wouldn't want to play that...kinda too dark for my tastes but definitely a better story idea then this.
The worst part is that WB Games also released Hogwarts Legacy, the highest-selling game of 2023 (even beating that year's Call of Duty), and they still somehow learned the wrong lesson from SS:KTJL and are doubling down on cheap-to-make, heavily monetized live-service games.
Agreed. Even with all the controversy with Rowling (which is a whole can of worms is all I’ll say), it still sold insanely well. Same with Baldur’s Gate 3. Both sold insanely well. WB is taking away the wrong lesson
I'll give you a worse reality: It's not SS:KTJL that gave them the wrong lesson, it was Helldivers 2, they saw the game go viral and now more than ever they want a slice of that success.
They way corporations think, they are probably just blaming the IP for their failure and not their "games as a service" model. So instead of continuing making single player games like Hogwart's Legacy, turn them into a live-service game until one turns a profit.
The business model with live service games is put out 20 and hope 1 sticks, that 1 will make up the losses of all the others. It's like a corporate game of chicken with bankruptcy
Nah mediocrity is the best way to describe it. There's fun to be had, but it doesnt grab like a live service should, and there are many fatal flaws amongst the story, visual clarity, buildcrafting, activities, and so on.
@@sauceinmyface9302if my town got hit by a flood saved my favorite cafe that i used to visit but not anymore because they become boring because they always serve the same coffee over and over again i will still call it a disaster. Not a complete one but a disaster nonetheless.
The UI reminds me of two things: 1) The type of UI a bunch of complete amateurs might make, either as a hobby project or as a minor element in a movie background. 2) That bit from Ready Player One where the bad guy talks about how much of the screen real estate they can use before inducing seizures.
Soooo, the game is 70 dollars and then you pay some more to progress in the story and unluck customizable? And it won't be playable 5 years from now because it's entirely online and they'll shut down the servers when there's nobody left to play. Truly the future of the game industry, those narrative driven solo game have no chance.
honestly speaking, I have personally never seen a game with such a busy UI. Everytime I see footage of this game I am in awe of how much is happening on screen
the egg on a beef patty thing is a reference to loco moco which is a hawaiian dish which is a fried egg over a hamburger over rice. because shark is hawaiian. you can laugh now
On some level i could have seen this becoming a good sales game, a game where you and your mates play when its heavily discounted, but its connection to the arkham verse and the disrespect that it does to those games basically makes that imppsoible
@@captainbighead Monty Zander. They do go hand in hand with high quality, well edited game deconstruction with a proper amount of snark thown in. Great double feature.
I love his other videos, but I couldn't sit through Monty's video myself. It felt like a lengthy spread of spite for the game that I can already gleam from 20 other video titles on my feed and I'd much prefer Whitelight's more neutral take on the matter.
It's honestly impressive how many IP's mindless companies have bungled up recently. So many they could have ridden out and printed money, instead they decided to change everything people liked for zero reason.
Just started, and you've already made me realize how dissonant all it is. "Easy anti-cheat stopped working" why though??? Why do we need DenuvoDRM AND Easy Anti-Cheat? It's a mostly solo game about being a normal dude flying around killing minions until you fight a boss. If this was 2008, I'd be flabbergasted to find out the game had no cheat codes for infinite ammo, or the best guns, or infinite money. Gaming today is such a soulless husk of the way it used to be. Cheating used to be expected! If this game was never online, they wouldn't need either software and the game would run like 35% better at base. What a waste of effort it was, making this game.
Another common white light W. Also I have never seen someone with a more accurate take then thatboyaquas take in the outro, cause I do think my ten year old, mega arkham fan looking ass, would have been pissed off at this game.
I just want to say: I love this channel. Ever since the AVGN, videogame criticism, heck, media criticism, has been mostly about being angry, bad faith takes and kneejerk reactions and lately they even started becoming political, it's a huge, toxic mess. Seeing someone being emotionally intelligent about his own feelings on a game and analyzing its components rationally and thoroughly, feels like it has become a lost art, but I am not sure I have ever seen it done better than here. The dry humor is sprinkled in just right and the takes are insightful in a way that encourages the viewer to analytically think about game mechanics. In short: This is fantastic, please keep it up.
The premise of this game is nonsensical. Ignoring the silly defences for the story and writing (clone theory, “DLC will fix it all,” though it did nothing of the sort, and other defences made to cover up the horrid writing capabilities at Rocksteady) this premise is not realistic to the characters and the world they inhabit. Braniac is one of the smartest lifeforms to exist. Letting the Joker escape his ship in the DLC when the League could not, is nonsensical. Batman is a master tactician, experienced martial artist, psychologically powerful, and the peak of raw human capacity. The Squad is one shark with a large firearm, one man with many firearms, another man with one boomerang and a firearm, and one lady with a blunt weapon and firearm. I do not believe that they would win against the Batman, let alone any other League member alone. In fact, Wonder Woman completely dismantled them all in a cutscene. This is shown to us, yet they have us believe that Superman, The Flash, and Green Lantern could not possibly won against them. Ah, but how could I forget the magic “win against League member,” buttons? Speaking of that Wonder Woman cutscene, having Wonder Woman be the one to live seems strange considering that we have Batman as the perfect character to fill that mentor role for the delinquent Squad. Even any “positives,” of graphical fidelity or voice acting can be combatted. The voice acting is admittedly grating for Harley (an already overused and ruined character) and Boomerang (stereotype for Australians, but stereotypes matter little for him in their eyes) and the fidelity may be very nice, but the city is not exactly wondrous to see. The ship in the background is just that: background. There is so much set dressing, but the play never uses the setting or props. It feels like a badly made sitcom. This game is the epitome of whatever is wrong with writing, performance, shallowness, monetisation, and characterisation within modern gaming.
Yeah but comic book power levels are made up monkey shit anyway. Batman's physical strength and intelligence are wildly inconsistent because obviously, he can only be as smart and strong as the story demands. The appeal of the Kill The Justice League concept is contriving an interesting way for low level villains to beat these guys. The problem isn't the contrivance, it's that the solutions they picked were boring as fuck. Make King Shark drink smart people juice that makes him a 12th level intellect even beyond Braniac or some shit. Make Harley get bitten by a legally distinct radioactive Spider. Give Captain Boomerang Toon Force from being friends with Mr.Mxtyplyx. I don't care if you piss on the Flash, just make the moment actually funny.
@@BobtheX agree to disagree on the contrivances. But I 100% agree that the methods were faulty. Even if I disliked the premise, I do think with creativity and genuine care it could work, but this game shows a lack of genuine care across the board.
"Ignoring the silly defences for the story and writing (clone theory, “DLC will fix it all,” though it did nothing of the sort, and other defences made to cover up the horrid writing capabilities at Rocksteady)" What now?
The fact that they base it off of Arkham to get more sales and not caring about ruining one of DCs greatest gaming franchises ever made goes to show how brainless these corporations are.
Elden Ring currently has 50k players. Suicide Squad currently has 649 players. Even Armored Core 6, which is a niche game, has more people playing it than Suicide Squad.
Elden Ring DLC release date basically forced numerous developers to delay their stuff by one week. Final Fantasy 14 delayed their expansion early access by one week expressely because they didn't want to compete with the DLC, as did, IIRC, the new Persona game. People saw what happened to the new Horizon game (first one released same week as Tears of the Kingdom, the second one released the same time as Elden Ring, both taking the open world in different directions and establishing a 'new standard' that made the Ubisoft 'climb tower, reveal map, free outpost' gameplay look as tired and dated as it is) and decided it really isn't worth repeating that.
@@luketfer by... The first, and the second, horizon, do you mean forbidden West and... I assume a dlc for forbidden West? Or something else? Bc iirc the original zero dawn doesn't match those time frames, right? Not trying to contradict, just a bit confused.
Instead of giving a game to Superman, Flash, GL, or just the League in general after YEARS of fans begging for them, we instead get a disrespectful mess of a half baked looter shooter. Let’s not forget WB pushing an IP that WB seems so set to make a hit despite constant misses. A live service JL game could’ve been more tolerable, but instead we get another attempt of WB wanting to push a team that’s basically just an outlet for Harley Quinn at this point. They are so allergic to good ideas and making money, it’s fucking astounding.
Whitelight is back! Being caught up on your content is upsetting because instead of back to back multi-hour analysis i have to wait 😭 still happy to see that noti though
You do not need to pay attention to what you unlock in the skills trees. I did not read one line of any of the weapons or gear upgrades I got. Just equipped it when it made my stats go Up and beat the entire game on the highest difficulty 😅😅😅. That should tell you how much thought really went into this lame combat system. Also speaking of the story every time Deadshot started talking I would literally start falling asleep. It’s a combination of the voice actor and the writing but holy shit I’ve never seen a more boring character in ANYTHING 😂
You couldn’t get me to play this game even if it was free. The visual noise alone makes it unplayable. I ended up watching a playthrough of the game and I could barely figure out what was happening half the time.
Was looking through my recommended and legit said out loud "oh, new Whitelight dropped!" Love this channel, and more importantly, this man's voice haha.
Imagine this as a single player game, set in this brainiac invasion, where you play as Wonder Woman. I feel like that would have been such a great starting point for a great game.
I'll never understand how the dev teams/parent companies think that pushing out this bare minimum, bland, unfun slop is a good idea after they saw how Avengers was received YEARS ago, and each subsequent version of this formula gets substantially worse somehow
White light, nothing makes me happier than to see a great vid from you about a game that sucked for me. It gives me somthing to look forward to atleast when I play this slop. You are epic, keep on gaming
10:45 this is usually done in horror games, usually done to depower the player and make them pick run or hide more often. It can work to provide a slightly more realism as well as allowing more effective startle moments where a melee enemy just barely breaches your third person view. this of course sucks in quick fps games like this, it's literally meant to slow the player down.
It's absolutely insane how publishers keep insisting in live-service games when they have the lowest player interest and retention from every kind of game in existence. Yeah, the couple ones that have succeeded have been a big success, but you'd think they'd have figured out by now that those are the exception while all the other ones have been massive losses. It's like wasting $100 a week in taxi fares to reach the other side of the country because you once found a $5 bill on a street in there.
pretty much the only game where even video essays about it are hard to look at. Watching that UI at 2x speed almost gave me a seizure Great video tho, as always!
I was playing Minecraft and watching this vid on the other monitor, the moment you started talking about the Fear Toxin bit and said the words 'spooky voice', I heard a cave noise and about shit myself.
Hate to say it, but given how much time and money was poured into this, this might be the death of Rocksteady. At the very least I would be really surprised if there weren't layoffs later this year...
To make a game like this good it would require an approach no multi million $ company would take but also you can't do it without that money backing you, so it's impossible to make honestly.
I’m going to attempt to guess the rest of the story: The next episode will hint at the possibility that the jl will come back, then next season has the ms freeze thing and a repeat of the Batman fight but different somehow. The next episode will have some sort of new boss fight, mabey a fight with multiple flash clones and then you rescue/revive flash. You will then spend the rest of the seasons up until 4 where you rescue lantern and superman, revive Wonder Woman through some bullshit and then meet deathstroke who will have bumped off some brainiacs of screen because the games dying and now you have to save Batman, deathstroke will not want to do that but be convinced by the idea of getting to be the one to kill him next time, they then save Batman after a corrupted robin boss fight and then finally you fight brainiac and the game implodes on itself and they never update it again.
Your video has helped put words to feelings of unease that I've have following this games reveal, launch, and subsequent downturn. Sure all the popular red flags are there: Live service, numbers-based progression, spectacle over visual clarity, comedy that I cringe at. But through your video, things like no character arcs and the anti-climatic story about game ending everyone favorite character(s) were things I felt but could not vocalize. Cheers for your media literacy.
40:22 is one of the most creative, perfectly visualizing thing I think I’ve ever heard on the entirety of RUclips, and I didn’t expect to find it on a video about the dumb Suicide Squad games breakdown video
Still don’t understand why they didn’t just make a Teen Titans game continue the bat family stories through Robin but introduce new superpowered characters like beast boy, cyborg, star fire, etc…. They could still introduce the Justice League by having Superboy, Aqualand and Arsenal so they could still set it in metropolis, suicide squad is also great but can’t help feeling teen titans would of been better
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I still want to make the Arkham Knight video. I got one more trip to the aslume left in me.
Please Mr Whitelight, make a video on Batman: Arkham Knight 🙏
Appreciate the hyper light drifter music
30:20 The issue here isn't actually that the ring takes off (it is meant to do that, seeking out the next Lantern), it's that Shark is able to wear and use it at all prior to it going away. The moment GL died, the ring would not let someone walk up and pick it off his corpse.
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The outro 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
You gotta give props to how creatively they actually kill the Justice League. Batman was shot with a gun. Flash was taken out with a gun. Green Lantern died from a bullet wound from a gun. And Superman was shot with a gun.
Underrated comment
what can i say gun is op 😂
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Everyone knows that supermans biggest weakness are guns. Especially pink ones.
Superman: Faster than a speeding bullet.
Also Superman: Standing in place while being shot at.
Their creativity could parallel even Imagine Dragons
dont forget, when they killed Batman, a casing hits the floor.... from a revolver which is impossible....
he reloaded real quick for the style points
Are you serious?
Really. WTF were they smoking.
For those who don't know, when a revolver is fired, the cartridge case stays in it's chamber, and has to be removed, usually by pushing the ejector rod.
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That's nitpicking
If "Boundless Mediocrity of ___" is now a series, it's one of my favourites now.
It’s the perfect lunch break series. Which of course is the highest honor j can bestow on a RUclips
I really love when Whitelight drops one of these.
might as well be a series, we're not running out of mediocre games any time soon
i was gonna call it lazy titling, but saying that to Whitelight's videos is one hell of an insult.
nothing staggeringly bad about his videos, his commentary is nice, the jokes are pretty good but not forced or repetitive, and he doesnt just come up with random excuses to call a game mediocre, while hiding its actual positive traits.
The visual clutter makes it look like a fake game they'd show for a second in a TV show with the actor mashing the controller randomly. I guess that's what WB excecs think game actually look like...
Exactly...gotta admit i have like 27 hours on the game and completed the story (which is pure dogshit btw, seemed like it was written by a 14 y.o DC fan as a "fanfiction", could go on a rant about it). And even tho there were times where the traversal and combat werent too bad...my god the visual clutter. When you are in a bigger fight it looks like the game is straight up tryna give you an epileptic shock, the fucking colors everywhere.
But WB exec had nothing to do with this. This is ALL Rocksteady. This all their failure. This all the choices THEY made. Just as Anthem was Bioware's failure.
Stop giving the blame to higher ups when the corruption is in the studio and dev level.
Doubt the excecs have much care in how cluttered the ui and abilities should look.
I loved seeing the guy playing a fighting game on a pro level being mocked because it looked fake.
What a brilliant comparison. I think of that snippet in the GTA V story where Jimmy is playing an FPS and Michael destroys the TV.
Whitelight's criterion for choosing which game to make a video on:
"Can I fit a Spiderman Web of Shadows reference into this?"
That's it.
He loves all 19 inches of venom
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youd think his name ment Prototype.
Oh yeah, I remember when he made Web of Shadows references in his Gotham Knights, Far Cry 6 and Darksiders videos lmao.
That “Is there a lore reason? Is he stupid?” hit me like a truck lmao
It feels like the executives at WB don't understand that they can't force us to like live service and when they release a game that fails only developers suffer the consequences . It is a toxic cycle that needs to end
Executives in general. But no, they fire the devs and the CEOs get bomuses that would feed small cities for years
How many cynical, incompetent cash grabs is it going to take to bankrupt WB? That’s the only kind of consequence they would respond to, but it will never happen.
these developers are also stupid developers and they deserve to lose their jobs
WB is apparently trying to get an award for being the dumbest company in the planet
@@penedrador A tale as old as life
I do very much HATE games that make damage be super inflated. Like have weapons do 100k damage but it so happens that everyone has like 1 billion hit points, so it’s just a big number for the sake of a big number, trying to make it look more powerful despite the fact it’s not, bc if you divided everything, you could get small and understandable numbers pretty quickly
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Big numbers should represent huge consequences unless you're an idle game.
They THINK you associate big numbers with big damage, like a mind trick they're playing on you.
They're insulting your intelligence.
@@user-s8jb3qb6y It's the video game interface equivalent of jingling keys at you.
It's to necessitate constantly replacing your gear every time you level up.
looking at this terrible epilepsy-inducing UI reminds me of the Elden Ring minimal UI "controversy". The laughable attempt of "experts" to defend stuff like this.
This UI looks exactly the same as the elden ring ubisoft meme ui lmao
I had to pause this video multiple times/just listen to the audio due to the headache and overwhelm the ui was giving me. Shit like this misses ALL the marks of UI/UX design.
I remember most the Arkham games keeping it minimal. You don't see health at full. There's only a handful of counter marks. Such a shame.
@@QuickQuips Arkham Knight UI is so well designed that your queue for "shit i am dying" is a beeping sound that gets faster when you are one shot away from death. That's good design, not this Fortnite-esque bloat that also gives people like me over-stimulation headaches
@@Ralirits funny you say that cause fortnite has an way better UI than this lmao
I can BARELY look at the screen, how is that playable lmao
it's not. there's your answer.
The fact that rocksteady wasted so many years on this game when they could have been developing a worthy successor to the arkham series is honestly one of the most unfortunate things to come out of this whole situation.
They had the frigging rights to the justice league. We could have gotten the Flash, Superman, Green Lantern... but no.
Suicide squad is never a worthy successor to the arkham series. If I have to choose I probably have to pick spiderman. Not wolverine or this wonder woman game.
I mean, I'm sure they wanted to do something different for once rather than burning themselves out. It's just that this wasn't it.
You want.. another spiderman game instead of something unique? I mean jfc i LOVE the spiderman games (the 20 year old ones too) but we need something different lmao@@nemesisprime4501
There was a Batman Beyond game in the pipeline once. Now it's just concept screenshots and questions.
It's the anti-video game.
A boring, meaningless marathon of cheap stimulation with a skin mask of your favorite things that you've already seen millions of times.
All the effort only serves to guide you to a store for you to put more money into a facade that pretends to care about you.
It's literally the Happy Box from Mother 3.
I'd rather get struck by lightning than play this slop.
Suicide Squad Kill Rocksteady
🤓☝️Eh-actualy, it would be "Suicide Squad: Kill the Rocksteady"🕴
@@Vini_31 eh-actuality they had it right the first time 🤓👍
You forgot the "ed" after kill
Yah won’t be long now. Wait for the word
Warner Bros Kills Rocksteady
What a vomit of a UI. And I am not even THAT old, only 32 y/o and I simply cannot look at that mess.
Im 27 and I get annoyed thinking about it.
I’m 24 and I feel genuinely sick
this was one of the first things i noticed when i first saw gameplay of this game. Just thought to myself "wtf is this mess?, no thanks"
33 and that UI gives me a migraine just looking at it.
im 19 and i rather listen to nails on chalkboard for hour than to glance at this fucking ui
Visual diarrhea
The combat footage legitimately hurts my head
I literally feel sick watching the video. No way this was QA tested
I think this is a first video game in my life that legitimatelly is giving me a headache just by looking at screen.
Damn right, the clutter in the screen actually made me nauseous.
Captain Crunch presents: Oops! All Fortnite!
Man, I am not prone to epilepsy or headaches from visual stimuli, but this game gets me every time I watch footage of it. It's ridiculous.
Why did Cocksteady make a looter shooter that's always online? Are they stupid?
They fired most of their White and Asian males and replaced them with danger hairs and alphabet types. Stupid decisions ensued as they do.
maybe devs spending 7 years in the aslume caused stupid brain and infected the game
It's not rocksteady, it's their moronic WB superiors. Great idea to blame the people who have no choice in the matter
@@herrschneider5310 no choice 😂😂😂😂
@@sheepfly of course, wtf do you think happens when WB says "develop a live service game" and Rocksteady says "no" 🤣 did you ever work in your life?
30:00 Nah. Co-op isn't an excuse. If a 10yo MMO like FFXIV can create well paced raids for 24 people that tell good stories, a modern game should be able to accommodate to 4 people controlling preestablished characters. Otherwise, nothing is stopping them from making those missions single player only.
This could have been an easy win in terms of narrative, and they did everything to avoid making the right decisions. It's a shame that the devs ar Rocksteady will be the ones to pay for the consequences instead of the people who decided to transform the idea into this lifeless live service.
The High Moon Transformers games had coop too (at least War for Cybertron had it), and they had pretty epic storylines.
@@leithaziz2716I miss that series what happened to it was unfair
There's a good saying that I like to quote, but can't for the life of me remember who said it first. "Even playing with shit's fun with friends. You're still playing with shit, though."
@@mortemtyrannus8813 It MIGHT have been Yahtzee (back in his Zero Punctuation days) who said it when reviewing one of the many terrible multiplayer games he's reviewed but then I feel like that saying has been around for as long as this 'live service' trend has been going on for.
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"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee"
Why not
Teeheehee!!!
And cue the laugh 40:15
@EXiLExJD I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but yeah, I WILL laugh at and avoid soulless live service slob (unless it's Deep Rock Galactic, the only good, moral and ethical live service)
Zero Punctuation is awful and was boring for much of its run.
Now, Fully Ramblomatic??? That's a good show.
The fact that they tried to tie this shit to the Arkham games is laughable. They really thought they could get away with that shit.
I get the feeling that shit is gonna be retconned completely in the future.
@@luketfer No doubt about that.
@@luketfer Not with all the ESG money floating around.
Especially with deadshot. Are we supposed to believe that there was an imposter deadshot running around for a decade and Batman never mentions it either out loud or in his notes?
@@luketfer the new VR Batman game is from Arkham but from other develops
They fired Rocksteady 😂😂😂
I swear this game looks like the video game equivalent of something a casino would have. Brightly colored explosions and flashing surfaces everywhere, particle effects, numbers going up and taking up more screen space as they get bigger. Bars filling up, constant changes everywhere in general. All to overload your brain and distract you that you wasted your money on that shit. Well I guess it's on theme with it being live service I give them that.
"You just have to wait for the battlepass to drop, I swear that'll fix the issues"
sometime stuff like that make me hate No Man's Sky, because of the game able to revive after all the backlash that many people cling to that excuse for a broken game
I think this should have been a Wonder Woman game instead. It would be far more interesting to see Diana struggle with the fact she has to stop & probably kill the same people she called friends , family. The people who built something great in order to protect the innocent sadly now gone. It makes sense matchup wise for her to be able to fight the league. Then after the end maybe Diana is the leader of a new league.
I heard a similar idea somewhere else where Batman was the only one not controlled, so he had to use his contingencies to free his friends. That would’ve been a really cool game, figuring out how to subdue the Justice League and fight with your brain.
Wasn't this meant to tie in/capitalize off of the better Suicune Squad movie tho? Since it did so well? I think the idea of playing as the Suicune Squad is really cool, the idea of them killing the Justice League is cool, but there was no way they could execute it without seeming ridiculous...like someone said about the first SS movie, it's ridiculous to expect this group to defeat world ending threats, they weren't created to do that, keep it smaller in scope.
Plus yknow all the other issues with the game.
I do like the idea of one member of the JL going against their family and friends but personally wouldn't want to play that...kinda too dark for my tastes but definitely a better story idea then this.
The worst part is that WB Games also released Hogwarts Legacy, the highest-selling game of 2023 (even beating that year's Call of Duty), and they still somehow learned the wrong lesson from SS:KTJL and are doubling down on cheap-to-make, heavily monetized live-service games.
Agreed. Even with all the controversy with Rowling (which is a whole can of worms is all I’ll say), it still sold insanely well. Same with Baldur’s Gate 3. Both sold insanely well. WB is taking away the wrong lesson
I'll give you a worse reality: It's not SS:KTJL that gave them the wrong lesson, it was Helldivers 2, they saw the game go viral and now more than ever they want a slice of that success.
They way corporations think, they are probably just blaming the IP for their failure and not their "games as a service" model. So instead of continuing making single player games like Hogwart's Legacy, turn them into a live-service game until one turns a profit.
The business model with live service games is put out 20 and hope 1 sticks, that 1 will make up the losses of all the others. It's like a corporate game of chicken with bankruptcy
@@Roler42how did WB see helldivers success months before it released I wonder
Mediocrity is too positive of a word. More like "a complete and utter disaster"
Nah mediocrity is the best way to describe it. There's fun to be had, but it doesnt grab like a live service should, and there are many fatal flaws amongst the story, visual clarity, buildcrafting, activities, and so on.
@@sauceinmyface9302 as far as gameplay it’s mediocre the story is less than mediocre it’s bad
@@sauceinmyface9302if my town got hit by a flood saved my favorite cafe that i used to visit but not anymore because they become boring because they always serve the same coffee over and over again i will still call it a disaster. Not a complete one but a disaster nonetheless.
"An unmitigated disaster"
Picard
Then why waste precious lifetime talking about it?
The UI reminds me of two things:
1) The type of UI a bunch of complete amateurs might make, either as a hobby project or as a minor element in a movie background.
2) That bit from Ready Player One where the bad guy talks about how much of the screen real estate they can use before inducing seizures.
Soooo, the game is 70 dollars and then you pay some more to progress in the story and unluck customizable?
And it won't be playable 5 years from now because it's entirely online and they'll shut down the servers when there's nobody left to play.
Truly the future of the game industry, those narrative driven solo game have no chance.
honestly speaking, I have personally never seen a game with such a busy UI. Everytime I see footage of this game I am in awe of how much is happening on screen
"Meh" is already off the mark, it's abysmal
It's really not. People really wanted to be abysmal- it's mainly just mediocre with a gaming community really wanting to hate it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 im crying
@@zyphonwhite9853it is really that bad
It looks fun, man. Why are people so cynical! It's just a game! 😭
@@zyphonwhite9853 The gameplay is mediocre, the game as a whole is fucking hot garbage
the egg on a beef patty thing is a reference to loco moco which is a hawaiian dish which is a fried egg over a hamburger over rice. because shark is hawaiian. you can laugh now
HA
That actually sounds pretty tasty.
On some level i could have seen this becoming a good sales game, a game where you and your mates play when its heavily discounted, but its connection to the arkham verse and the disrespect that it does to those games basically makes that imppsoible
not even that is worth it
better coop games exist than this predatory monetization game
Just finished a job interview that went very well, and Whitelight posted a new video. Made my week
Good luck homie.
Good luck mate
Congrats homie.
You got this brother
congrats buddy
First Monty, now Whitelight. A double bill of disappointed fans
Who’s Monty? Haven’t heard of them but if they’re similar to
White light I’d like to check them out
@@captainbighead Monty Zander. They do go hand in hand with high quality, well edited game deconstruction with a proper amount of snark thown in. Great double feature.
This!!! As soon as I finished with Monty's video, i noticed Whitelight's freshly uploaded, a perfect double feature.
I love his other videos, but I couldn't sit through Monty's video myself. It felt like a lengthy spread of spite for the game that I can already gleam from 20 other video titles on my feed and I'd much prefer Whitelight's more neutral take on the matter.
@TewbBelrog there's a reason for that that Monty gets to, given his experience with the endgame and the Joker update
It's honestly impressive how many IP's mindless companies have bungled up recently. So many they could have ridden out and printed money, instead they decided to change everything people liked for zero reason.
What IPs?
@@dylansharp8471 Marvel's Avengers comes to mind.
29:49 asumle is leaking
I’ve never opened the comments so fast in my life, the second I see aslume meme I must find fellow jonklers. Are you stupid?
Is there a lore reason for Harley no longer being thicc?
@@lebastion7104 is she stipid?
@@lebastion7104The jonkler took her thick, i am gay for him
Why did Cocksteady make Man die by only a gun? Are they stupid?
Persona 3 Reload was the superior Suicide Squad release of Q1 2024
Just started, and you've already made me realize how dissonant all it is. "Easy anti-cheat stopped working" why though??? Why do we need DenuvoDRM AND Easy Anti-Cheat? It's a mostly solo game about being a normal dude flying around killing minions until you fight a boss. If this was 2008, I'd be flabbergasted to find out the game had no cheat codes for infinite ammo, or the best guns, or infinite money.
Gaming today is such a soulless husk of the way it used to be. Cheating used to be expected! If this game was never online, they wouldn't need either software and the game would run like 35% better at base.
What a waste of effort it was, making this game.
The gameplay is worse that saints row 3/4 with none of the soul
Hi, DC mythos/lore expert here. There *is* a reason why Batman doesn't kill the squad when he meets them:
He's stupid.
finally a lore reason. but why not call in man then?? is he forgetful?
No game has made me lose hope quite like this one
I haven't played that game yet because I don't have enough money to burn
"It's Anthem." (Patreon credits)
Thats an insult to Anthem. At least Anthem didnt ruin a pre-established universe.
@@chaosinc.382 But it DID ruin a pre-established developer.
I don't think I've experienced nausea from trying to watch gameplay before, you've given me a new experience
Funny how Rocksteady managed to both literally and figuratively shoot Batman in the head
29:48
Just casually slipping that in there, makes me feel like a sleeper agent awakening whenever I hear those words.
We will never escape the aslum.
Another common white light W.
Also I have never seen someone with a more accurate take then thatboyaquas take in the outro, cause I do think my ten year old, mega arkham fan looking ass, would have been pissed off at this game.
sheied him from this crap-show's existence lol
@@devanduraipragash6106 I was talking about myself as a ten year old but I can see where the misconception is coming from
I just want to say: I love this channel.
Ever since the AVGN, videogame criticism, heck, media criticism, has been mostly about being angry, bad faith takes and kneejerk reactions and lately they even started becoming political, it's a huge, toxic mess. Seeing someone being emotionally intelligent about his own feelings on a game and analyzing its components rationally and thoroughly, feels like it has become a lost art, but I am not sure I have ever seen it done better than here. The dry humor is sprinkled in just right and the takes are insightful in a way that encourages the viewer to analytically think about game mechanics.
In short: This is fantastic, please keep it up.
Unrelated to the game, but that lofi hiphop cover of Light of the Seven at the beginning SLAPS
That's what it is? I knew I'd heard that tune before.
Rocksteady: What if we made a boss fight against Superman, where you kill him with bullets?
Wait, how the hell would a possessed Green Lantern even work? Wouldn't that just be a guy with an inert ring?
Fr, no willpower
The premise of this game is nonsensical. Ignoring the silly defences for the story and writing (clone theory, “DLC will fix it all,” though it did nothing of the sort, and other defences made to cover up the horrid writing capabilities at Rocksteady) this premise is not realistic to the characters and the world they inhabit.
Braniac is one of the smartest lifeforms to exist. Letting the Joker escape his ship in the DLC when the League could not, is nonsensical.
Batman is a master tactician, experienced martial artist, psychologically powerful, and the peak of raw human capacity. The Squad is one shark with a large firearm, one man with many firearms, another man with one boomerang and a firearm, and one lady with a blunt weapon and firearm.
I do not believe that they would win against the Batman, let alone any other League member alone. In fact, Wonder Woman completely dismantled them all in a cutscene. This is shown to us, yet they have us believe that Superman, The Flash, and Green Lantern could not possibly won against them. Ah, but how could I forget the magic “win against League member,” buttons?
Speaking of that Wonder Woman cutscene, having Wonder Woman be the one to live seems strange considering that we have Batman as the perfect character to fill that mentor role for the delinquent Squad.
Even any “positives,” of graphical fidelity or voice acting can be combatted. The voice acting is admittedly grating for Harley (an already overused and ruined character) and Boomerang (stereotype for Australians, but stereotypes matter little for him in their eyes) and the fidelity may be very nice, but the city is not exactly wondrous to see. The ship in the background is just that: background. There is so much set dressing, but the play never uses the setting or props. It feels like a badly made sitcom.
This game is the epitome of whatever is wrong with writing, performance, shallowness, monetisation, and characterisation within modern gaming.
Everything woke turns to shit - Donald J Trump
Yeah but comic book power levels are made up monkey shit anyway. Batman's physical strength and intelligence are wildly inconsistent because obviously, he can only be as smart and strong as the story demands. The appeal of the Kill The Justice League concept is contriving an interesting way for low level villains to beat these guys. The problem isn't the contrivance, it's that the solutions they picked were boring as fuck. Make King Shark drink smart people juice that makes him a 12th level intellect even beyond Braniac or some shit. Make Harley get bitten by a legally distinct radioactive Spider. Give Captain Boomerang Toon Force from being friends with Mr.Mxtyplyx. I don't care if you piss on the Flash, just make the moment actually funny.
@@BobtheX agree to disagree on the contrivances.
But I 100% agree that the methods were faulty. Even if I disliked the premise, I do think with creativity and genuine care it could work, but this game shows a lack of genuine care across the board.
@@juliushall8499
What?
"Ignoring the silly defences for the story and writing (clone theory, “DLC will fix it all,” though it did nothing of the sort, and other defences made to cover up the horrid writing capabilities at Rocksteady)"
What now?
Do you seriously expect me to watch yet another video shitting on suicide squad kill the justice league? Because you’d be right
I’ve been playing Suicide Squad for weeks and it’s so much fun especially with friends.
Dunno why it says “Helldivers 2” on the cover tho…
Yeah Helldivers 2 has scratched the itch of awesome co-op shooter. And I paid $30 less
@@alexwright5419 it's an actual "suicide squad" experience too if you think about it
The fact that they base it off of Arkham to get more sales and not caring about ruining one of DCs greatest gaming franchises ever made goes to show how brainless these corporations are.
Was definetely hoping you would cover this!
Elden Ring currently has 50k players. Suicide Squad currently has 649 players. Even Armored Core 6, which is a niche game, has more people playing it than Suicide Squad.
Elden Ring DLC release date basically forced numerous developers to delay their stuff by one week. Final Fantasy 14 delayed their expansion early access by one week expressely because they didn't want to compete with the DLC, as did, IIRC, the new Persona game. People saw what happened to the new Horizon game (first one released same week as Tears of the Kingdom, the second one released the same time as Elden Ring, both taking the open world in different directions and establishing a 'new standard' that made the Ubisoft 'climb tower, reveal map, free outpost' gameplay look as tired and dated as it is) and decided it really isn't worth repeating that.
@@luketfer by... The first, and the second, horizon, do you mean forbidden West and... I assume a dlc for forbidden West? Or something else? Bc iirc the original zero dawn doesn't match those time frames, right?
Not trying to contradict, just a bit confused.
Instead of giving a game to Superman, Flash, GL, or just the League in general after YEARS of fans begging for them, we instead get a disrespectful mess of a half baked looter shooter.
Let’s not forget WB pushing an IP that WB seems so set to make a hit despite constant misses. A live service JL game could’ve been more tolerable, but instead we get another attempt of WB wanting to push a team that’s basically just an outlet for Harley Quinn at this point. They are so allergic to good ideas and making money, it’s fucking astounding.
29:46 "is there a lore reason he did that? is he stupid?" THATS A BATMAN ARKHAM SUBREDDIT QUOTE
Whitelight is back! Being caught up on your content is upsetting because instead of back to back multi-hour analysis i have to wait 😭 still happy to see that noti though
You do not need to pay attention to what you unlock in the skills trees. I did not read one line of any of the weapons or gear upgrades I got. Just equipped it when it made my stats go Up and beat the entire game on the highest difficulty 😅😅😅. That should tell you how much thought really went into this lame combat system. Also speaking of the story every time Deadshot started talking I would literally start falling asleep. It’s a combination of the voice actor and the writing but holy shit I’ve never seen a more boring character in ANYTHING 😂
That was the cleanest ad transition ever
WillieMac tier, even
Damn usually don't fall for sponsors but you got me with this one, I have been falling a sleep watching long form factor videos for so long.
Wow, didn't expect you to be this invested in this game. I'm sorry for your loss, my condolences.
You couldn’t get me to play this game even if it was free. The visual noise alone makes it unplayable.
I ended up watching a playthrough of the game and I could barely figure out what was happening half the time.
Was looking through my recommended and legit said out loud "oh, new Whitelight dropped!" Love this channel, and more importantly, this man's voice haha.
Idk how anyone can call this shit “mediocre”.
Im struggling to finish this video because of the visual diarrhea. Absolutely insane. Never seen and probably never will see anything like this.
0:43 instant rhythm game end boss PTSD flashbacks.
Imagine this as a single player game, set in this brainiac invasion, where you play as Wonder Woman. I feel like that would have been such a great starting point for a great game.
I'll never understand how the dev teams/parent companies think that pushing out this bare minimum, bland, unfun slop is a good idea after they saw how Avengers was received YEARS ago, and each subsequent version of this formula gets substantially worse somehow
White light, nothing makes me happier than to see a great vid from you about a game that sucked for me. It gives me somthing to look forward to atleast when I play this slop. You are epic, keep on gaming
10:45 this is usually done in horror games, usually done to depower the player and make them pick run or hide more often. It can work to provide a slightly more realism as well as allowing more effective startle moments where a melee enemy just barely breaches your third person view. this of course sucks in quick fps games like this, it's literally meant to slow the player down.
Remember when Rocksteady was at their peek and there was rumors about them making a TMNT game? Man we are in the wrong timeline...
Literally the only youtuber that makes the end credits enjoyable. Love ya man. Gonna go binge watch all your stuff again
It's absolutely insane how publishers keep insisting in live-service games when they have the lowest player interest and retention from every kind of game in existence. Yeah, the couple ones that have succeeded have been a big success, but you'd think they'd have figured out by now that those are the exception while all the other ones have been massive losses. It's like wasting $100 a week in taxi fares to reach the other side of the country because you once found a $5 bill on a street in there.
That manta transition was so slick it took me 10 seconds to realise I was listening to an ad lol
pretty much the only game where even video essays about it are hard to look at. Watching that UI at 2x speed almost gave me a seizure
Great video tho, as always!
I was playing Minecraft and watching this vid on the other monitor, the moment you started talking about the Fear Toxin bit and said the words 'spooky voice', I heard a cave noise and about shit myself.
Hate to say it, but given how much time and money was poured into this, this might be the death of Rocksteady. At the very least I would be really surprised if there weren't layoffs later this year...
One can hope
Mid development of this game was already the death of rocksteady as all the talent left the studio...
20:35
How does King Shark actually use that gun? His fingers can't even fit in the trigger well.
"mediocre" is still being way too generous to that failed abortion of a live cervix game.
I have to say, the quality of writing in your video essays is breathtaking, genuine some of the most articulate and well-refined scripting on RUclips.
To make a game like this good it would require an approach no multi million $ company would take but also you can't do it without that money backing you, so it's impossible to make honestly.
I like that the only real valid points of positivity amounted to a car without a properly working engine but hey it has a sick paintjob.
More like the boundless scrolling of me waiting for another Whitelight video
I love how you actually talk about the gameplay and not just about the character assasination.
It feels refreshing and unique.
Assassination?
I’m going to attempt to guess the rest of the story:
The next episode will hint at the possibility that the jl will come back, then next season has the ms freeze thing and a repeat of the Batman fight but different somehow. The next episode will have some sort of new boss fight, mabey a fight with multiple flash clones and then you rescue/revive flash. You will then spend the rest of the seasons up until 4 where you rescue lantern and superman, revive Wonder Woman through some bullshit and then meet deathstroke who will have bumped off some brainiacs of screen because the games dying and now you have to save Batman, deathstroke will not want to do that but be convinced by the idea of getting to be the one to kill him next time, they then save Batman after a corrupted robin boss fight and then finally you fight brainiac and the game implodes on itself and they never update it again.
Your video has helped put words to feelings of unease that I've have following this games reveal, launch, and subsequent downturn. Sure all the popular red flags are there: Live service, numbers-based progression, spectacle over visual clarity, comedy that I cringe at. But through your video, things like no character arcs and the anti-climatic story about game ending everyone favorite character(s) were things I felt but could not vocalize. Cheers for your media literacy.
"Mediocre" is being very generous.
Extremely
0:56 holy cow, it took me way too long to even notice the player is kingshark. There is so much cluster on that image.
calling it mediocre is an insult to the word mediocre
Tried to be stylistically Borderlands with all of the downsides and none of the whimsy
Sorry, i couldn't watch this video past the 14min mark man. The visual noise is abysmal. How do people play this game??
40:22 is one of the most creative, perfectly visualizing thing I think I’ve ever heard on the entirety of RUclips, and I didn’t expect to find it on a video about the dumb Suicide Squad games breakdown video
I’m getting dizzy just watching this gameplay.
Live Service Games = Future Bargain Bin Games
Future bargain bin games that you can't play because the always online DRM and servers are shut down.
The biggest disappointment is no suicide squad difficulty, where when a character dies you can’t play them again
Whitelight, I'd love to see some analyses of philosophical games. Perhaps you can check out soma, the talos principle, slay the princess, etc.?
Still don’t understand why they didn’t just make a Teen Titans game continue the bat family stories through Robin but introduce new superpowered characters like beast boy, cyborg, star fire, etc…. They could still introduce the Justice League by having Superboy, Aqualand and Arsenal so they could still set it in metropolis, suicide squad is also great but can’t help feeling teen titans would of been better
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS :D
whenever whitelight pulls out a random modern meme or reference it feels like if your professor did it