Alistair is a solid teacher. He said the lady could attend as long as she made sure her grandson understood that she did not approve of the marriage etc. Alistair said he gave this advice to an individual in his church and might never give the same advice a different person. I will continue to listen to him.
He twisted Scripture (used the parable of prodigal son to support his bias) and slandered fellow pastors who are concerned about homosexuality in the church. That’s not solid
Attending IS giving approval …. What’s the person supposed to do? Sit through the whole celebration without smiling while everyone else there is celebrating?
In fairness, Steve Lawson’s teachings are very very good, which made this even more sad. Hard to comprehend how this could happen to him. Almost unbelievable.
I’m sorry, Steve Lawson is not the victim here and I’m not hearing much about his wife. She’s the one who we should be really praying for. I’ve been in her shoes. It’s heartbreaking.
This was a good podcast! I have his books and sermons and intend to KEEP THEM! he still did good work for the Kingdom! I am from Singapore and Steve Lawson had a big impact on my life too! My jaw literally dropped when I heard the news.. n was sad for like 2-3 days upon hearing this.. I hope that his friends like Macarthur and the rest do not Abandon Lawson and leave him out in the cold... i don't agree with like his sermons being totally removed and books too! Its like he's being ERASED now... Christians seem to have a strange contradition. We are quick to JUDGE and JUDGE HARSHLY but fail big time to practice Grace and Mercy.. We never seem to come alongside and say: Hey man.. we hate the sin but we love you.."... but yea.. i don't agree really... but i just pray for him and his family... that being said, I like your response in being Gracious to Pastor Lawson and even wanting him to appear at the Shep Conf.. i hope he appears as well and that the brothers around him do not judge him but come and pray with him and so that real Christlikeneness... i Hope So!
Thank you for your thoughts and we agree totally, I hope those who loved him and those he loves stick with him and help him make it through this challenging time with his faith intact or stronger. We aren't getting rid of his books wither:) God bless!
The greatest thing about our LORD is that HE understands the fallen nature of mankind, died on that cross for the atonement of our sins, that HIS great mercy will redeem us and forgive us if we turn to HIM in the true humility of repentance. Religion is notorious in not teaching how hidden sin opens the door of our soul to dark energy that drives our behavior into more and more sinful behavior. No one lectures much on how to resist the devil so the dark cycles are cauterized from our emotions and memories so that it can no longer drive us down that slippery slope that leads to destruction. Jezebel is alive and well in it's spiritual effort to destroy the church. Seduction and lust comes from both angles.
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28, NASB) God causes all things including our sin. No one is without sin. There are plenty of examples in scripture. This doesn’t change my mind about what God’s word says, and the work of Christ. Where would we go? No One else has the words. The truth. ❤
That's untrue, James tells us that. "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." James 1:13
petermui5329, Well now, maybe he is just a vessel chosen for dishonor that the Lord might be glorified. Maybe the Lord has just hardened his heart. Do you think God is ringing his hands over the outcome of his handiwork?
I didn’t mean God causes our sin or loves our sin. You’re right. I didn’t say that the way I wanted. I meant He uses these situations for Good. To warn us. A lot of examples like this in God’s word. Any one of us could fall like this. Being overly confident this can’t happen to us. Hoping SL repents.
I profited immensely from the Bible expository ministry of Beggs, Lawson , chandler, etc. but one question. Does the fact that these men were strong Calvinistic promoters have anything to do with their “fall”? ie: belief vs. appreciation????
No, man's sin nature has to do with their fall. Robert Morris, Mike Bickle and Tony Evans also fell from their positions due to sexual sin and they weren't Calvinists.
@@religionlesschristianity Please, I did not presume this. I am simply making an observation and asking a question. You appear to be "guilty" of what you accused me of.
I have seen many people attack Calvinism because of Lawson. Your comment seemed to be in line with that, so that's what I assume. If that's wrong, I apologize.
What if she was a TMS student, an employee of OnePassion Ministry or a congregant at Trinity Bible Church? The consequences leveled by Trinity, TMS, OnePassion and Ligonier were immediate and severe.
She couldn't have been a TMS student because women can't attend TMS but the others could be a possibility and if so, that would be terrible and she would certainly bear a large burden.
GCC did an update on John MacArthur. He is looking to continue with Revelation in October. The sermon by Mike Riccardi today was in response to what happened with Lawson. It was comforting. Lawson was pretty doctrinally sound. If someone with his education can fall, it hits people hard. I must disagree that we need the details about Lawson. We are not members of his church, we are not part of his church discipline. For us, it is just being nosey.
I hope that Dr. MacArthur does get back soon. As for being nosey, maybe it is, but I attend the Seminary Dr. Lawson taught at, I've sat under his teachings online, which he has made his ministry. He isn't a small church pastor. He has a worldwide ministry and I think there is value in understand the why and how, not just the what. I think Tony Evans should do the same thing. These men decided to be international in their ministries, so they should make their repentance known internationally, in my opinion. Heck, I have repented on this Podcast for things that I did because I have chosen to have an online presence and ministry.
Logical questions here. Why do we need the name of the woman? This is a church discipline issue. Why the announcement for Steve? Because he can't just disappear. Your pastor, the host of One Passion, the seminary, Ligonier... He can't just become a missing person. We are not commanded to know this. However, every public ministry or teaching position that Steve held did "church discipline". There had to be statements made. But her? What sermons did you listen to of hers? If she is in his church, church discipline will be done. You know, the whole church doesn't even get to know the details if they come to her and she repents. There is a massive difference. She can stay quiet and repent. Not our business. It is called being nosey.
We don't need anything, but we were just saying that if the woman had character she would make a statement. She can stay hidden, but she shouldn't is my point. Unless she was abused, she willingly chose this sin and it has caused concern for many. As for the announcement from Steve, which Church is this a discipline issue from? Is it Trinity? What about Grace, what about The Master's Seminary? Steve Lawson has chosen to make himself a teacher for millions all over the earth. Saying all those who have sat under his teachings online, at the Seminary or through his writings don't deserve a better understanding of what happened I think is wrong. I also think it's cowardly and I hope Steve Lawson isn't cowardly. I think the same thing about Tony Evans. He has nearly as large of a presence, we should hear from him.
@religionlesschristianity Tony Evans is a mystic. He doesn't need to make a statement. He needs to stop teaching that garbage. Do we all need to make a public statement for our sins? She most likely isn't in charge of any ministry. She probably isn't famous. I do wonder about the timing of church discipline Sunday. Because people are nosey and it's none of their business, they put the stream on hold with a message saying they will be right back. This is not a common thing. It will be edited out of the final upload but I saw it happen in real time. So, maybe it was someone there 🤷♀️. But everyone's discipline is not our business. Unless she is a preacher at a false church, she has no statement to make. Only organizations that Steve was affiliated with have released a statement. He also isn't ours to discipline. To people who think these two need to make public statements, do you run around to local churches and ask for public statements be made of everyone who sinned? Just because we have social media it doesn't mean that every aspect of a person's life is now public information. I don't want a statement from him until, and if he chooses to make one, until his walk with Christ is back on track. Then this could become a teaching moment. I never would have thought he could fall this hard. But I'm not about to think I am owed public statements from any of them. Not Steve. Or her. Or Steve's wife. I can pray for them without reading the equivalent of a trash novel.
Even though I have a pretty much have the same reformed view as Steve Lawson I never really liked listening to him. To me he came across as a know it all and not humble in his demeanor of preaching. It might just be that I prefer just being talked to like you two are talking. A good example of a person teaching and preaching was RC Sproul.
I can see that. Lawson did have a distinctive way of preaching and to be honest, it wasn't my favorite either. I learned from him and appreciated his teaching, but the delivery wasn't my favorite.
I think it’s also the Lord who appoints the pastors in a faithful church. No issues if the pastor is old. If the Lord thinks he should still be the pastor then it will be done. Allistair has gone woke somehow so maybe time for him to retire. Pray for his church that the Lord puts a good and faithful pastor there.
You're right, It's the Lords church and all Pastors should be sensitive to His guidance. My Pastor actually brought that fact up, that maybe he was stepping away because of what happened in connection to his advice. I hope not, but there may be truth there.
You are a sweet couple. I’d be careful about discussing your thoughts and opinions regarding a brother’s failure. Our hearts are deceitful, Satan is tricky.
Tony Evans & Steve Lawson need to humble themselves and answer the following questions: mental (p*rn), physical, or emotional affair? When did it happen? How long did it last? These are important questions that need to be answered so people can figure out how to feel about them and their work.
Absolutely!! I think when you have a public, worldwide ministry, you need to repent to all of us. If you were just a small local pastor, then I don't think I would need to know, but that is not these men.
Christ says that to look on a woman with lust is adultery. Preachers are held to an even higher standard. They are to be blameless. You need the dirty details to know that they didn't meet the standards? I don't. And I loved The Attributes of God series by Lawson. But he has disqualified himself to preach and teach. And Lawson knows this. He knew what would happen when he confessed. All we can do is pray for him and his family. Tony Evans is a mystic and needs to be out of the pulpit.
@@cindybraddock1222 A small point to you ladies ... Please be modest in your dress and demeanour. Guys have a stumbling block in the eye-gate. You see , you're just so appealing!!! Viz. David and Bathsheba
Alistair Begg, if I'm understanding this correctly, urged the grandmother to show love and compassion to her grandson, with the hope of possibly getting him saved. This was a kind, merciful, loving response. In NO WAY was Steve Lawsons behavior somehow better, just because he "confessed". Jesus hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors, but He damned the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. Steve Lawson succumbed to his lusts, Alistair Begg "succumbed" to compassion.
Sin is sin and we would do well to not classify one over the other. Confessing sin is what's important not justifying ours as better than others. Alistair gave advice that many, not just us, thought was unbiblical and he refused to receive correction. So, as we view it, that's more than compassion, it's pride and pride should be confessed and repented of. Even compassion doesn't make it right if it goes against scripture.
I pray for JMac, Begg & Lawson... however you do know these men are self admitted Calvinists? "Is God unfair in not chosing to save everyone? Fair would be sending everyone to Hell. You don't want fair you want mercy" - John MacArthur
@@religionlesschristianity Interesting. Are you ok with the JMac quote? What about "Individuals are born doomed from the womb to a certain death and are to glorify Him (God) by their destruction" - John Calvin Compare to Luke 9 56 (it's vs 55 in ESV) & John 3:17
@@mikelyons2831 Yes, I'm in agreement with JMac on that quote and I see no difficulty with lining those verses up with JMac and Calvin. Christ did come into the world to save, and He has been saving. He has and will save all that the Father gives Him, John 6:37. We also have Romans 9:22-23. I don't believe God is only glorified by people who become Christians. I believe God is glorified in all things, since He is sovereign over all things.
@@religionlesschristianityUnfortunately, it appears you have succumbed to Calvinism. God sent His Son to undo the sting of death caused by sin for everyone... not just a special favored pre-selected elect few... that would give 👿 more souls after his hoodwink-bamboozle in the Garden. All CAN call upon Jesus for salvation, none are prevented, forbidden or restricted or pre-damned as Augustine & Calvin taught.
We did not succumb to Calvinism, we came to understand Biblical Christianity. As Charles Spurgeon says, "Calvinism is Christianity." The Gospel call is open to all, unfortunately we are dead in our sins and unable to produce faith enough to believe on our own. Therefore God grants faith to those whom He elected before the foundation of the earth. As for Satan having more souls, Jesus Himself teaches that Satan will have more, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt 7:13-14
This is a good podcast and I’m first time listener, but why on earth you blaming the other woman?? Of course she was wrong. You are making it sound like she was out to ruin his reputation. He’s responsible for himself! I don’t care if you put a naked woman in front of him who looks like a perfect 10! His loyalty should be to the Lord and to his wife and family
The women bears blame unless she was abused. If she willing chose to engage with a married Pastor, then she is guilty of sin and is to be blamed. Jesus proclaims woe against those who bring temptation (Matthew 18:7). No one is letting Steve off the hook, but would you let someone off the hook if they placed needle full of heroine in front of a heroine addict?
"What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become worthless..." Romans 3:9-12 That none includes me and it includes you as well.
@@religionlesschristianity i am certainly not better, but i am not telling people fear storys about a fantasy man. Who will punish me when i dont follow his rules. Mr Lawson was not afraid at all himself.
More stone throwers. Sad that these negavtive comments on his pastoral advice to a church member is the only thing people will remember. Dont judge him on one peice of seemingly bad advice after 50 years of excellent ministry. Take heed lest you yourself fall.
This was beautifully said...non judgemental and kind and yes "we all desperately need Christ"
Thank you, God bless you and Lord be with Steve and his family. What a sad but humbling reminder of how desperately we need Christ.
Amen!!!
Alistair is a solid teacher. He said the lady could attend as long as she made sure her grandson understood that she did not approve of the marriage etc. Alistair said he gave this advice to an individual in his church and might never give the same advice a different person. I will continue to listen to him.
We will as well. We don't agree with the advice, but like you said Alistair is solid.
He twisted Scripture (used the parable of prodigal son to support his bias) and slandered fellow pastors who are concerned about homosexuality in the church.
That’s not solid
Attending IS giving approval …. What’s the person supposed to do? Sit through the whole celebration without smiling while everyone else there is celebrating?
@@patgruzenski4024 Are you talking about Lawson or Begg?
@@MB-qy1op That's true. It was bad advice.
In fairness, Steve Lawson’s teachings are very very good, which made this even more sad. Hard to comprehend how this could happen to him. Almost unbelievable.
It's not hard, actually. He probably got complacent.
You never expect this to happen but Steven Lawson was an absolute shock. His teachings are still great!
I’m sorry, Steve Lawson is not the victim here and I’m not hearing much about his wife. She’s the one who we should be really praying for. I’ve been in her shoes. It’s heartbreaking.
Absolutely we should be praying for his wife and children.
This was a good podcast! I have his books and sermons and intend to KEEP THEM! he still did good work for the Kingdom! I am from Singapore and Steve Lawson had a big impact on my life too! My jaw literally dropped when I heard the news.. n was sad for like 2-3 days upon hearing this.. I hope that his friends like Macarthur and the rest do not Abandon Lawson and leave him out in the cold... i don't agree with like his sermons being totally removed and books too! Its like he's being ERASED now... Christians seem to have a strange contradition. We are quick to JUDGE and JUDGE HARSHLY but fail big time to practice Grace and Mercy.. We never seem to come alongside and say: Hey man.. we hate the sin but we love you.."...
but yea.. i don't agree really... but i just pray for him and his family... that being said, I like your response in being Gracious to Pastor Lawson and even wanting him to appear at the Shep Conf.. i hope he appears as well and that the brothers around him do not judge him but come and pray with him and so that real Christlikeneness... i Hope So!
Thank you for your thoughts and we agree totally, I hope those who loved him and those he loves stick with him and help him make it through this challenging time with his faith intact or stronger. We aren't getting rid of his books wither:) God bless!
Congratulations on the new house! Be blessed.
Appreciate it, we're excited. God bless!
@@danielgreen6547 And truly grateful for your brother's recovery after chemo
God is good!!
Love your introductory music!
For a moment there my heart sank...I thought it was Pawson...a British (?) preacher who I've heard....
Steve Pawson?
@@religionlesschristianity David Pawson?
Ok. I don’t believe I have heard of him.
The greatest thing about our LORD is that HE understands the fallen nature of mankind, died on that cross for the atonement of our sins, that HIS great mercy will redeem us and forgive us if we turn to HIM in the true humility of repentance. Religion is notorious in not teaching how hidden sin opens the door of our soul to dark energy that drives our behavior into more and more sinful behavior. No one lectures much on how to resist the devil so the dark cycles are cauterized from our emotions and memories so that it can no longer drive us down that slippery slope that leads to destruction. Jezebel is alive and well in it's spiritual effort to destroy the church. Seduction and lust comes from both angles.
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28, NASB)
God causes all things including our sin. No one is without sin. There are plenty of examples in scripture. This doesn’t change my mind about what God’s word says, and the work of Christ. Where would we go? No One else has the words. The truth. ❤
God causes sins that He commands people not to do?
That's untrue, James tells us that. "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." James 1:13
@@religionlesschristianity Now THATS " rightly dividing the Word of truth". !
petermui5329,
Well now, maybe he is just a vessel chosen for dishonor that the Lord might be glorified. Maybe the Lord has just hardened his heart. Do you think God is ringing his hands over the outcome of his handiwork?
I didn’t mean God causes our sin or loves our sin. You’re right. I didn’t say that the way I wanted. I meant He uses these situations for Good. To warn us. A lot of examples like this in God’s word. Any one of us could fall like this. Being overly confident this can’t happen to us. Hoping SL repents.
I profited immensely from the Bible expository ministry of Beggs, Lawson , chandler, etc. but one question. Does the fact that these men were strong Calvinistic promoters have anything to do with their “fall”? ie: belief vs. appreciation????
No, man's sin nature has to do with their fall. Robert Morris, Mike Bickle and Tony Evans also fell from their positions due to sexual sin and they weren't Calvinists.
My question had to do with the specific men I mentioned. Others of like kilt could be mentioned.
Why would you presume reformed beliefs played a part in their fall?
@@religionlesschristianity Please, I did not presume this. I am simply making an observation and asking a question. You appear to be "guilty" of what you accused me of.
I have seen many people attack Calvinism because of Lawson. Your comment seemed to be in line with that, so that's what I assume. If that's wrong, I apologize.
What if she was a TMS student, an employee of OnePassion Ministry or a congregant at Trinity Bible Church? The consequences leveled by Trinity, TMS, OnePassion and Ligonier were immediate and severe.
She couldn't have been a TMS student because women can't attend TMS but the others could be a possibility and if so, that would be terrible and she would certainly bear a large burden.
GCC did an update on John MacArthur. He is looking to continue with Revelation in October. The sermon by Mike Riccardi today was in response to what happened with Lawson. It was comforting. Lawson was pretty doctrinally sound. If someone with his education can fall, it hits people hard. I must disagree that we need the details about Lawson. We are not members of his church, we are not part of his church discipline. For us, it is just being nosey.
I hope that Dr. MacArthur does get back soon. As for being nosey, maybe it is, but I attend the Seminary Dr. Lawson taught at, I've sat under his teachings online, which he has made his ministry. He isn't a small church pastor. He has a worldwide ministry and I think there is value in understand the why and how, not just the what. I think Tony Evans should do the same thing. These men decided to be international in their ministries, so they should make their repentance known internationally, in my opinion.
Heck, I have repented on this Podcast for things that I did because I have chosen to have an online presence and ministry.
Logical questions here. Why do we need the name of the woman? This is a church discipline issue. Why the announcement for Steve? Because he can't just disappear. Your pastor, the host of One Passion, the seminary, Ligonier... He can't just become a missing person. We are not commanded to know this. However, every public ministry or teaching position that Steve held did "church discipline". There had to be statements made. But her? What sermons did you listen to of hers? If she is in his church, church discipline will be done. You know, the whole church doesn't even get to know the details if they come to her and she repents. There is a massive difference. She can stay quiet and repent. Not our business. It is called being nosey.
We don't need anything, but we were just saying that if the woman had character she would make a statement. She can stay hidden, but she shouldn't is my point. Unless she was abused, she willingly chose this sin and it has caused concern for many. As for the announcement from Steve, which Church is this a discipline issue from? Is it Trinity? What about Grace, what about The Master's Seminary? Steve Lawson has chosen to make himself a teacher for millions all over the earth. Saying all those who have sat under his teachings online, at the Seminary or through his writings don't deserve a better understanding of what happened I think is wrong. I also think it's cowardly and I hope Steve Lawson isn't cowardly. I think the same thing about Tony Evans. He has nearly as large of a presence, we should hear from him.
@religionlesschristianity Tony Evans is a mystic. He doesn't need to make a statement. He needs to stop teaching that garbage.
Do we all need to make a public statement for our sins? She most likely isn't in charge of any ministry. She probably isn't famous. I do wonder about the timing of church discipline Sunday. Because people are nosey and it's none of their business, they put the stream on hold with a message saying they will be right back. This is not a common thing. It will be edited out of the final upload but I saw it happen in real time. So, maybe it was someone there 🤷♀️. But everyone's discipline is not our business. Unless she is a preacher at a false church, she has no statement to make. Only organizations that Steve was affiliated with have released a statement. He also isn't ours to discipline.
To people who think these two need to make public statements, do you run around to local churches and ask for public statements be made of everyone who sinned? Just because we have social media it doesn't mean that every aspect of a person's life is now public information. I don't want a statement from him until, and if he chooses to make one, until his walk with Christ is back on track. Then this could become a teaching moment. I never would have thought he could fall this hard. But I'm not about to think I am owed public statements from any of them. Not Steve. Or her. Or Steve's wife. I can pray for them without reading the equivalent of a trash novel.
Let us not forget what happened to David and he was a man after God's own heart. He repented bitterly and remained king. He is in heaven.
And we hope Steve Lawson has or will repent and be with us in heaven as well.
Even though I have a pretty much have the same reformed view as Steve Lawson I never really liked listening to him. To me he came across as a know it all and not humble in his demeanor of preaching. It might just be that I prefer just being talked to like you two are talking. A good example of a person teaching and preaching was RC Sproul.
I can see that. Lawson did have a distinctive way of preaching and to be honest, it wasn't my favorite either. I learned from him and appreciated his teaching, but the delivery wasn't my favorite.
I've listened to all of them & Steve is my favorite. To each his own.
@@janegranger6821 Nothing wrong with that. Are you still listening?
I think it’s also the Lord who appoints the pastors in a faithful church. No issues if the pastor is old. If the Lord thinks he should still be the pastor then it will be done. Allistair has gone woke somehow so maybe time for him to retire. Pray for his church that the Lord puts a good and faithful pastor there.
You're right, It's the Lords church and all Pastors should be sensitive to His guidance. My Pastor actually brought that fact up, that maybe he was stepping away because of what happened in connection to his advice. I hope not, but there may be truth there.
You are a sweet couple. I’d be careful about discussing your thoughts and opinions regarding a brother’s failure. Our hearts are deceitful, Satan is tricky.
Did we say anything here we shouldn't have?
Tony Evans & Steve Lawson need to humble themselves and answer the following questions:
mental (p*rn), physical, or emotional affair?
When did it happen?
How long did it last?
These are important questions that need to be answered so people can figure out how to feel about them and their work.
Absolutely!! I think when you have a public, worldwide ministry, you need to repent to all of us. If you were just a small local pastor, then I don't think I would need to know, but that is not these men.
Christ says that to look on a woman with lust is adultery. Preachers are held to an even higher standard. They are to be blameless. You need the dirty details to know that they didn't meet the standards? I don't. And I loved The Attributes of God series by Lawson. But he has disqualified himself to preach and teach. And Lawson knows this. He knew what would happen when he confessed. All we can do is pray for him and his family. Tony Evans is a mystic and needs to be out of the pulpit.
Steve Lawson ISN'T the problem.....
Think about it naysayers.......
@@cindybraddock1222 A small point to you ladies ...
Please be modest in your dress and demeanour.
Guys have a stumbling block in the eye-gate.
You see , you're just so appealing!!!
Viz. David and Bathsheba
@@petervanwyngaard4788 I can't dress everyone out there. But I keep covered. I find what many females wear to be disgusting.
Why does everyone with a podcast have to address the Steve Lawson situation? Is Jesus pleased with this?
What should we be talking about? Did you listen to our discussion about Alistair Begg or Church myths?
Alistair Begg, if I'm understanding this correctly, urged the grandmother to show love and compassion to her grandson, with the hope of possibly getting him saved. This was a kind, merciful, loving response. In NO WAY was Steve Lawsons behavior somehow better, just because he "confessed". Jesus hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors, but He damned the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. Steve Lawson succumbed to his lusts, Alistair Begg "succumbed" to compassion.
Sin is sin and we would do well to not classify one over the other. Confessing sin is what's important not justifying ours as better than others. Alistair gave advice that many, not just us, thought was unbiblical and he refused to receive correction. So, as we view it, that's more than compassion, it's pride and pride should be confessed and repented of. Even compassion doesn't make it right if it goes against scripture.
@@religionlesschristianity Um Alistair Begg didn't sin. Everyone else who lashed out at him did.
@@eskulmo How did they sin?
@@eskulmo Ephesians 5:11
I pray for JMac, Begg & Lawson... however you do know these men are self admitted Calvinists?
"Is God unfair in not chosing to save everyone? Fair would be sending everyone to Hell. You don't want fair you want mercy" - John MacArthur
We are self admitted Calvinist, that's why we love them.
@@religionlesschristianity Interesting. Are you ok with the JMac quote? What about "Individuals are born doomed from the womb to a certain death and are to glorify Him (God) by their destruction" - John Calvin
Compare to Luke 9 56 (it's vs 55 in ESV) & John 3:17
@@mikelyons2831 Yes, I'm in agreement with JMac on that quote and I see no difficulty with lining those verses up with JMac and Calvin.
Christ did come into the world to save, and He has been saving. He has and will save all that the Father gives Him, John 6:37.
We also have Romans 9:22-23. I don't believe God is only glorified by people who become Christians. I believe God is glorified in all things, since He is sovereign over all things.
@@religionlesschristianityUnfortunately, it appears you have succumbed to Calvinism. God sent His Son to undo the sting of death caused by sin for everyone... not just a special favored pre-selected elect few... that would give 👿 more souls after his hoodwink-bamboozle in the Garden. All CAN call upon Jesus for salvation, none are prevented, forbidden or restricted or pre-damned as Augustine & Calvin taught.
We did not succumb to Calvinism, we came to understand Biblical Christianity. As Charles Spurgeon says, "Calvinism is Christianity."
The Gospel call is open to all, unfortunately we are dead in our sins and unable to produce faith enough to believe on our own. Therefore God grants faith to those whom He elected before the foundation of the earth.
As for Satan having more souls, Jesus Himself teaches that Satan will have more, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt 7:13-14
This is a good podcast and I’m first time listener, but why on earth you blaming the other woman?? Of course she was wrong. You are making it sound like she was out to ruin his reputation. He’s responsible for himself! I don’t care if you put a naked woman in front of him who looks like a perfect 10! His loyalty should be to the Lord and to his wife and family
The women bears blame unless she was abused. If she willing chose to engage with a married Pastor, then she is guilty of sin and is to be blamed. Jesus proclaims woe against those who bring temptation (Matthew 18:7). No one is letting Steve off the hook, but would you let someone off the hook if they placed needle full of heroine in front of a heroine addict?
Just another preacher who could not keep his pants up. Did not believe in his own fantasy story.
"What then? Are we better? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become worthless..." Romans 3:9-12
That none includes me and it includes you as well.
@@religionlesschristianity just dont stop thinking for yourself. Men in suits and ties in church are doing their day job. Dont think to much of them.
@@religionlesschristianity i am certainly not better, but i am not telling people fear storys about a fantasy man. Who will punish me when i dont follow his rules. Mr Lawson was not afraid at all himself.
Pastors should retire at 50.
What makes you say that?
@@MariusQusnerius Their libido is in decline by then.
They should retire at 17.
Only joking!
More stone throwers. Sad that these negavtive comments on his pastoral advice to a church member is the only thing people will remember. Dont judge him on one peice of seemingly bad advice after 50 years of excellent ministry. Take heed lest you yourself fall.
We both literally said the opposite. We specifically said we wouldn't remember him for his bad advice, so who are the stone throwers?
on the show today ... everyone discussing someone elses life on juutuub... .that is just disgusting
What did you show up to hear? Grass growing? There are some cute cat videos if you look around. This was a blow to the body. That is why we are here.