LeoN was literally pitted against the Smash Ultimate Summit first and second places and both sets were phenomenal. The fact that this man hasn't gone to a smash summit yet is a disgrace
@@greedo194 yeah but disadvantage is miserable vs them, I guess my language was too harsh it’s only like -1 at most. Bowser can beat them in neutral and has a really good advantage vs them considering they are aegis.
the first grab connected but pyra interrupted it with a move and got throw invulnerability since the grab did connect, that's why the second command grab missed.
@@dnegel9546 Bowser is in the top 20% fastest characters in the game *on top of* being the heaviest. He has arguably the best command grab in the game (top 3 minimum) that does over 20% and can kill most of the roster at 120% from anywhere on stage. He has one of, if not the best up-b out of shield that also does over 20% and can kill at 150%. His neutral-b is insanely good against most characters and safely does 35+% all the time, even at top level play. His ledge trapping is some of the absolute best in the game, and his own recovery is above average, if not really good too boot. His 'tough guy' passive ability entirely nullifies rapid jabs and many other character specific moves, and it makes his smash attacks (especially up-smash and down-smash) wayyyy better than they have any right to be. His forward-air is way too fast for how insanely far ranged it is, and his back-air kills most of the roster at 70% despite being faster than roughly half the back-airs in the game. He doesn't have kill throws on the level of Ness or Lucas, but his back and forward throw both kill drastically earlier than at least 80% of the cast. Literally the *only* thing bowser doesn't have going for him is his disadvantage state. That's literally it. But even then, down-air is incredibly useful in many match-ups, and even when it isn't, a player who slips up _at all_ in the juggle sequence will take a guaranteed 20+% and lose advantage. Bowser is _anything but honest._ A novice player who spends 15 hours to gain competency with Bowser will *destroy* even above average players, even if it's just through abusing up-b out of shield, side-b, and stray aerial hits for the kill. Bowser is the epitome of dishonest.
@@343Filmsthat means his optimal playstyle is to power though moves and punish mistakes, at least its not running away, hiding behind a wall, or retreating to the sky like what most of the meta is right now. That’s what makes him honorable
I will never understand why Aegis was made so disgustingly overpowered. Smash really said “let’s let people have both Sonic and a buffed up Ike with boobs in one character….fuck it throw in better witch time just for the lolz” and the community just ate it up without complaints.
Mythra is busted. Pyra is too easy to use for the reward. Seriously that down air hit box? JFC. People say Bowser is the no skill character but Aegis has non-committal attacks with 0 end lag and massive hitboxes. It's a joke compared to vanilla characters
I remember watching Leon's MU chart for bowser and when he said Bowser beats Cloud I was just kinda like "huh?" Bowser's disadvantage is so terrible, especially against a character like Cloud who has great juggling with up air which completely ruins Bowser. One of Bowser's only landing options is down air which Cloud can just up air, as Sparg0 did in this set. Not to mention Cloud's back air is basically unpunishable for most characters on shield, and Bowser is no exception so Sparg0 can just shield pressure him for free without much fear of getting hit with up b oos. Bowser also does not have a single move that is safe against Clouds frame 7 up b oos. Overall I think the MU is even or slightly Cloud favoured.
Most Cloud mains say worse. Leon was being kind in comparison saying it was even/slight win. Cloud wins neutral, but Bowser destroys him offstage. I would also agree it's even/cloud favour due to the fact that can kill bowser pretty easily offstage himself.
@Connie Ford that’s read dependant, if you are constantly getting ur bairs stuffed by bowser then ur just getting outplayed. It’s on the cloud player to not be predictable with bair timing. Notice how Sparg0 hit him with a million bairs this set. Also about the flame breath I mean cool that’s not something to make or break a matchup. If bowser is far enough away that he can’t be punished that also means that cloud isn’t in that much danger to begin with. The bulk of flame breath damage comes from being up close.
I'll tell you why. It's because that's his opinion, you just happened to have a different one from him. Your matchup view is just different from his. Here's the crazy part though, both of his and your opinions/view are completely fine.
Yeah only reason I see it as even is because bowser has the weight advantage and enough mix ups. A good cloud player should be able to space properly and take advantage of bowser disadvantage. The good thing is he can't kill bowser with a throw but it can lead to advantage for cloud. When it comes to matchup charts I don't think these guys play enough people who are good with the character. In most cases 1 really good thing can win a matchup because it's all about stage control and getting early kills in this game
leon got so complacent when he switched to cloud, that's really what i just watched, he thought he had it in the bag and paid the price, bowser can win both matchups and so can leon hes just gotta not be complacent like that
Bowser does have tough guy in the air. Hero can not use magic burst to edge guard Bowser because Bowser will tough guy through the weak hits and clip Hero.
I can’t watch or play a match that’s on an animal crossing stage without hearing that bubblegum kk Alpharad short in my head. Nothing to do with the set, just an observation that no one needs to know.
I hate when they show a character and most of the character they actually play is different. I was expecting cloud all the way. Just put both characters fuck
LeoN has to be one of the most predictable Bowsers I've ever seen :/. He took zero risks and the irony of that being; he never UpBd out of shield once. The guy was close to beating Spargo with this many problems. Hopefully this message is passed on to him that he may perform better and refine his Bowser. GG
@@lokks2130 it is predictable what other move do u expect a bowser to use out of shield? Maybe if he down b outta shield ill see the unpredictability but everyone is expecting a bowser to up b outta shield
![Fusion #165 - Leon (Bowser) [ W ] vs WebbJP (Sheik) [ L ] - Grand Finals](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qaWYGJe5O_o/mqdefault.jpg)
LeoN was literally pitted against the Smash Ultimate Summit first and second places and both sets were phenomenal. The fact that this man hasn't gone to a smash summit yet is a disgrace
Until people learn the bowser match up then it'll be boring
@@cibrinyark339 shut up
@@cibrinyark339 He's been playing Bowser since the beginning and boxing it out against top 10 players using top tiers...
@@cibrinyark339 people already know it, not a very complicated character, Leon is just a good player and bowser is just a good character.
He should have been at summit 3 after jumping out a plane but didn't have the resources for the spirit bomb
honestly taking sparg0 to last stock game 5 in any situation is an achievement, nevermind doing it with bowser
Major fucking facts ! It’s practically a win in my eyes
Bowser is a crazy good character, especially against people who aren't experienced in the matchup.
Especially against aegis who dumpster him
@@Clarkbardoone mu is actually more doable than most top tiers, he can contest their range quite well
@@greedo194 yeah but disadvantage is miserable vs them, I guess my language was too harsh it’s only like -1 at most. Bowser can beat them in neutral and has a really good advantage vs them considering they are aegis.
5:25 Sparg0 pushed LeoN’s hurtbox into the side b to shield poke him. That has to be one of the most creative plays I have ever seen.
He didn't
Didn't he do that to get a footstool setup?
That's like a week one aegis thing bro lmao
@@FlorentChardevel nah, he also did that against Leo couple of times
Actually it's pretty common to see
Leon's hand is shaking 7:18
Goes to show that even GOAT players need to fight off the nerves.
5:23 Did he actually PUSH him into the blazing end?!
Loved that
It’s crazy how well Sparg0 can recover with these characters
You’re right pressing jump and up b is insanely difficult
@@themidgarbadass2517 you clearly are ass at the game 😂😂😂
@@themidgarbadass2517 it’s a lot harder when there is a massive dragon turtle trying to stop you
@@Clarkbardoone ok and?
@@themidgarbadass2517 and it’s a lot harder? wdym and?
8:41 command grad 🤔
I saw that too, I was like that’s some bull lol
the first grab connected but pyra interrupted it with a move and got throw invulnerability since the grab did connect, that's why the second command grab missed.
Damn LeoN almost got it against the aegis
He did. Just not against the buster blader
@@flavorflov6519 Can we actually get Buster Blader in smash? Please?
@@DemonEyeHelix Yes! Finally, we would have a true counter to Bowser & Ridley.
@@flavorflov6519 there's plenty of counters to bowser and ridley
@@greedo194 It’s a Yu-Gi-Oh reference.
10:19 Leon reactively timing his normal getup perfectly to avoid the flame nova hurtboxes and get in to shield
leon is a fucking legend. thanks for repping the heavies and keeping this filthy game honorable to at least some degree!!
Yeah both of those match ups are absolutely insane for any heavy specially bowser.
Leon is a monster.
>Heavies
>Honourable
Pick one
@@ThatSneakman do you even smash bro
@@dnegel9546 Bowser is in the top 20% fastest characters in the game *on top of* being the heaviest. He has arguably the best command grab in the game (top 3 minimum) that does over 20% and can kill most of the roster at 120% from anywhere on stage. He has one of, if not the best up-b out of shield that also does over 20% and can kill at 150%. His neutral-b is insanely good against most characters and safely does 35+% all the time, even at top level play.
His ledge trapping is some of the absolute best in the game, and his own recovery is above average, if not really good too boot. His 'tough guy' passive ability entirely nullifies rapid jabs and many other character specific moves, and it makes his smash attacks (especially up-smash and down-smash) wayyyy better than they have any right to be. His forward-air is way too fast for how insanely far ranged it is, and his back-air kills most of the roster at 70% despite being faster than roughly half the back-airs in the game. He doesn't have kill throws on the level of Ness or Lucas, but his back and forward throw both kill drastically earlier than at least 80% of the cast.
Literally the *only* thing bowser doesn't have going for him is his disadvantage state. That's literally it. But even then, down-air is incredibly useful in many match-ups, and even when it isn't, a player who slips up _at all_ in the juggle sequence will take a guaranteed 20+% and lose advantage. Bowser is _anything but honest._ A novice player who spends 15 hours to gain competency with Bowser will *destroy* even above average players, even if it's just through abusing up-b out of shield, side-b, and stray aerial hits for the kill. Bowser is the epitome of dishonest.
@@343Filmsthat means his optimal playstyle is to power though moves and punish mistakes, at least its not running away, hiding behind a wall, or retreating to the sky like what most of the meta is right now. That’s what makes him honorable
Leon is insanely good, his patience and spacing is amazing
I will never understand why Aegis was made so disgustingly overpowered.
Smash really said “let’s let people have both Sonic and a buffed up Ike with boobs in one character….fuck it throw in better witch time just for the lolz” and the community just ate it up without complaints.
Mythra is busted. Pyra is too easy to use for the reward. Seriously that down air hit box? JFC. People say Bowser is the no skill character but Aegis has non-committal attacks with 0 end lag and massive hitboxes. It's a joke compared to vanilla characters
Leon goes from losing to a random DDD to forcing a top 2 player off of Pyra/Mythra. I'm bummed he keeps getting out so quickly.
Someone tell SparG0D that those characters are not supposed to recover
bowser definitely has tough guy in the air
I remember watching Leon's MU chart for bowser and when he said Bowser beats Cloud I was just kinda like "huh?" Bowser's disadvantage is so terrible, especially against a character like Cloud who has great juggling with up air which completely ruins Bowser. One of Bowser's only landing options is down air which Cloud can just up air, as Sparg0 did in this set. Not to mention Cloud's back air is basically unpunishable for most characters on shield, and Bowser is no exception so Sparg0 can just shield pressure him for free without much fear of getting hit with up b oos. Bowser also does not have a single move that is safe against Clouds frame 7 up b oos. Overall I think the MU is even or slightly Cloud favoured.
Most Cloud mains say worse. Leon was being kind in comparison saying it was even/slight win.
Cloud wins neutral, but Bowser destroys him offstage. I would also agree it's even/cloud favour due to the fact that can kill bowser pretty easily offstage himself.
@Connie Ford that’s read dependant, if you are constantly getting ur bairs stuffed by bowser then ur just getting outplayed. It’s on the cloud player to not be predictable with bair timing. Notice how Sparg0 hit him with a million bairs this set. Also about the flame breath I mean cool that’s not something to make or break a matchup. If bowser is far enough away that he can’t be punished that also means that cloud isn’t in that much danger to begin with. The bulk of flame breath damage comes from being up close.
I'll tell you why. It's because that's his opinion, you just happened to have a different one from him. Your matchup view is just different from his. Here's the crazy part though, both of his and your opinions/view are completely fine.
My guy both spargo and leon agree that the matchup is bowser favored. Look at both their matchup charts and they both put bowser at winning.
Yeah only reason I see it as even is because bowser has the weight advantage and enough mix ups. A good cloud player should be able to space properly and take advantage of bowser disadvantage. The good thing is he can't kill bowser with a throw but it can lead to advantage for cloud.
When it comes to matchup charts I don't think these guys play enough people who are good with the character. In most cases 1 really good thing can win a matchup because it's all about stage control and getting early kills in this game
こういう相手側が阻止しやすくて破壊してくるキャラに勝てるのが凄い
同意した。すべてのキャラクターが実行可能
。
1:56 I feel like one commentator was mocking the other for a sec 🤣
I didn't catch it before you pointed out, low key jab for sure. lol
the fact that spargo switched to a significantly worse matchup and won just shows that Cloud is his soul main
SpaceJamSparg0 is kind of a goated name
This happened to me at a local recently. Couldn't figure out how to beat the Bowser with aegis, so I switched to cloud and reverse 3-0d
Sparg0 is actually really good at making opponents side roll by pressuring them. His punish do not by camping.
great commentators. had me invested
古来からこのカードキツイはずなのに復帰の散らし方凄いな
同意した
I gotta learn how to space my Bairs like Spargo
Leon is an absolute goat!
I don't care who's piloting Aegis nothing they do will impress me.
Especially against bowser, that matchup is hard af for the bowser and a snooze fest for the aegis.
I love this matchup
Pyra/Mythra: boring matches
Cloud: AWESOME matches
leon got so complacent when he switched to cloud, that's really what i just watched, he thought he had it in the bag and paid the price, bowser can win both matchups and so can leon hes just gotta not be complacent like that
5:05 ここわざと当たりにいってる？
Once someone figures out how to nullify bair they will be able to beat Spargo
The answer might be parrying, but that shi is hard
Bowser does have tough guy in the air. Hero can not use magic burst to edge guard Bowser because Bowser will tough guy through the weak hits and clip Hero.
$60k is pretty nice!
For how good leon is he misses a lot of tech chases and reads
クラウド対クッパでクラウドが不利というのは嘘です。
同意した. クラウドのフレームデータは優れてよ
I can’t watch or play a match that’s on an animal crossing stage without hearing that bubblegum kk Alpharad short in my head.
Nothing to do with the set, just an observation that no one needs to know.
I once thought Pythra was like Marth with 2 swords but her Neutral game is super overrated. Top tier but still not as impossible
yo that's SAIIIIII
Why both wear same clothe?
We Chessplayers vary our habits. I am the best in my group yet not as good as Spargo at Ultimate. You also need to specialize in the game.
leon go CRAZY
10:07 That was satisfying
I hate when they show a character and most of the character they actually play is different. I was expecting cloud all the way. Just put both characters fuck
Remember when we were all convinced to believe Bowser beats Cloud?
Bowser does imo. This is more of a Spargo thing hes just a beast.
Was enjoying the video until the commentators ruined it using the Lord's name in blasphemy
wut thi fk?
Why are they STILL wearing masks?
And at summit they were playing side by side, no masks for most of it
LeoN has to be one of the most predictable Bowsers I've ever seen :/. He took zero risks and the irony of that being; he never UpBd out of shield once. The guy was close to beating Spargo with this many problems. Hopefully this message is passed on to him that he may perform better and refine his Bowser. GG
He did up B out of shield while ledge trapping tho.
U can't say he's predictable then say he needs to do the most predictable thing out of shield lmfao
Up b out of shield is just good lol, it's not inherently predictable idk why you'd try and refute him by saying that
He did actually use UP b oos btw
@@lokks2130 it is predictable what other move do u expect a bowser to use out of shield? Maybe if he down b outta shield ill see the unpredictability but everyone is expecting a bowser to up b outta shield