Sometimes we romanticize suffering Which can be turning something terrible into something beautiful, making it meaningful, but it also teaches us that it is okay or necessary to suffer, which itself can be good too because a lot of us beat ourselves up and internalize suffering and keep it to ourselves, but it can also distort our relation to our suffering. It's okay to not be okay, it's okay to talk about it and allow yourself to be honest and be helped. Suffering is okay and you are allowed to suffer and speak about it and help each other through it, but it needs to be overcome and transcended in joy, growth, flourishing. Growing pains and overcoming challenges, learning to confront pain and give it a place in our lives. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but whatever doesn't make you stronger is killing you. I also concur with your elucidating insight. We often think great artists have to be insane or in deep pain. A lot of our idols work really hard and aren't any more tortured than anyone else. Some of the people we think were messed up on substances 24/7 are actually sober, and those who weren't were less productive because of their issues. A lot of great work and people who could contribute end up being lost in the annals of forgotten and unheard history because of their suffering.
*Nope, an artist is born, not create it, suffering just fuel their art in other ways, but they can also fuel their art with happiness or any other emotion cause they can create.*
@KitariItsSomethingRottenHere That's true, someone is born an artist, not made! The more ingenious the more dedicated to creating art to the point that geniuses live for rather than off of their art. Carl Jung said it well, a great talent subordinates his entire life to art at the greatest cost! There were happy geniuses who, due to benvolent auspicious external circumstances, thrived rather than suffered. Yet that doesnt change the fact that an artist driven by inspiration would forego his own comfort and personal well being just to create ART! Suffering has a cathartic and purifying efect.
Wjen asked how he dealt with the loss and pain in his life, Boris Pasternak famously remarked that "suffering is what gives value to our life"! There's really no way for artists or ordinary people to avoid suffering in life. Lynch makes it look as if avoidance of suffering is an option when it actually isn't!
Before we were born, after we die and when we meditate. Maybe, when we do what we enjoy doing, such as when we work, when we do a good job. Then, I think, it's also about our attitude, our philosophy and what we think about. We don't need to think we need to suffer, because still we won't be able to avoid it at times, but if we believe we must suffer, even the beautiful, good moments we all experience, could belong to suffering, not to us. Peace @@vertigopull
@@vertigopull No. If you never suffer, do you have feelings? Are you not sad that you’ve lost loved ones? That bad things happen? To say one doesn’t suffer says that one doesn’t have feelings. Not suffering is akin to being a psychopath. That’s patently ridiculous to say that there’s no suffering in life.
I haven't been this depressed at an artist's passing since Dolores O'Riordan died (and before that, Leonard Nimoy). And a lot of people I've admired have passed on in the ensuing years, so that's how major this wound feels.
I know what you mean. I rarely feel this way about the passing of an artist. After hearing the news, I sort of switched off. But now that it's actually hit me - for complex reasons - it does hurt. David Lynch has meant so much to me for decades. And always will.
yes and no, I think there needs to be a certain degree of suffering involved in the creation process and also in a persons life. There needs to be a certain pressure a willingness to break free from the suffering. Many artists (musicians for example) fall off as soon as they make it. Oftentimes my depression does keep me from being productive, this is true, but I also thinks it‘s what makes me a relatable and compelling writer. Life experience is everything especially when it comes to writing. You can tell if a movie producer has had a sheltered life.
@@REALdavidmiscarriageKinda moot argument. Many many artists just get more productive when they make it because now they have all the means at their disposal. What you talking about is drawing inspiration from experiences and emotions. Thats not tied to financial status only.
@@KayRuffiniYeah no one wants to suffer but, it’s just part of life. That’s one thing we can be certain of in life We will suffer but it’s just how we deal with it that matters
Consider J.D. Salinger he had PTSD after the war people obsessed about Catcher in the Rye he became a recluse meditated and wrote all day but stop publishing any work the creativity was there but he couldn't suffer the industry or public anymore.
Cosmos done broke the mold when it made that feller: one and done; never another like him before or since. The only (still-living) filmmaker of that creative caliber and original genius I can think of is Jodorowsky, and despite my love for the crazy SOB and his hand in creating the greatest surrealist films *_and_*_ sci-fi comics_ ever made (look 'em up; Jodo's freakishly prolific!), I prefer Lynch's films for their heart and narrative force. Lynch implicitly understood, as well or better than any artist I've encountered in any medium, the *language of dreams,* and enciphered his films with it.
If you have a look at Van Gogh's life you can see how right Lynch was. Vincent Van Gogh didn't paint his pain, he painted his love of life and people. His greatest works were made in his periods of peace and contentment. His illness literally stopped him from creating art at several points in his life. It was love, not suffering, that made Van Gogh.
It's a bit difficult to see what's actually true, in my opinion. Mind you, I do 100% agree that happiness will likely bring most creativity & productivity. But I'm also painfully aware that I'm in the spot I'm currently in BECAUSE I've spent a long time as a hermit (figuratively) due to mental anguish, addictions etc. etc. I do wonder if i would have ever been at this point if i had more to prioritize in my life and if i didn't spend the majority of every day being obsessed with my thing. Maybe it truly didn't matter, and maybe my anecdote is truly just an anecdote and not in line with most people's experiences. But I do wonder if my PAST suffering enabled me to now be my most creative (when happy)
So true. I was in pain for years, got surgery and suddenly I was able to write and enjoy life again. I’m gonna miss you so much David. Thank you for leaving us a legacy that we will continue to grow and learn from. Blessings to your family and daughter ❤
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
I disagree too. I mean, you need energy, life and some light to create, to produce, yes. But there are things that you can only see with suffering. There are things you must bring from the darkness, and show it to the world when you give them the light, your light, the light of the universe.
@@EbonyPope david lynch isnt talking about only having happy emotions in the art. if you ever saw one of his movies you'd know that they can be pretty bleak and disturbing. you misinterpreted what he means. he is not arguing against darkness in art he is arguing against the notion that an artist needs to be suffering all the time
@@battleb0ng420 No. He clearly says you can't make art when you are depressed. While that might be true for him there are lots of people including me - I play guitar - that get very prolific in their artistic output when they are depressed. He is simply wrong about it. That is not to say that it is needed. Sure there are things made not because of hardship. But it it's more than obvious that A LOT of art was inspired by suffering. The greatest pieces of art often are. Look at all the art in Rome in the catholic churches. Lots and lots of suffering and also based on the aritsts experience with it.
I seriously don't get hung up on Hollywood deaths usually, but this one has really hit me these past few days. Him and Philip Seymour Hoffman have been the two to get me in my feelings. Just all around incredible artists. May they rest in Power. Thank you so much David ❤
I used to not want help or medication for my disorder because I was told it would impede my art, and I became convinced that my art was better when I was suffering. But I finally reached a point where I had no choice but to receive medical attention, and afterwards I went on to create some of my best work. The Starry Night, arguably Van Gogh’s most revered painting, was created while he was in an asylum to treat his own illness.
Natural body/brain chemistry can hijack and sabotage what we believe to be the authentic Self. It took me a while to come around to that perspective and start chugging pills (jk, sorta).
Yeah! Some of his most beautiful works were created during moments of happiness, a coastal retreat, in the clinic where he painted the doctor. He says this in his letters to his brother, he would write excitedly to his brother that he had a burst of happiness and created many new paintings and experimented with new techniques
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@@EbonyPope , I think he refuted the "tortured artist" (close to the "starving artist") stereotype, he didn´t refute the fact that some negative life experiences can be expressed in art.
@@EbonyPopeImo you are depicting melancholy (or melancholia, I don't get the difference, we have only one word in my language) Which I define as being happy to be sad. You can't create art if it doesn't bring you any form of happiness. In this case, art brings you comfort in your sadness, it helps you to cope with it. And sure it's an interesting feeling (My favourite tbh) to express. But if you don't find any happiness in your art, then you'll just get stuck in your bed, unable to do anything, just like Lynch said.
He is 100% correct. I thought with the pandemic that I was going to be very prolific. I've barely written anything but am starting to get it back because I can't be away from it forever. It's been in my blood since childhood.
For me, the pandemic was a time for rest. I didn't feel creative during it. I just took in other people's art. But now I'm starting to get back to the drawing board, and I'm having the opposite problem. I have so many ideas I don't know which thread to follow. Maybe having ideas isn't like fishing, maybe its more like taking care of fish and watching them grow. So I just keep plugging away, feeding all the fish until maybe one starts developing before the others. As long as I'm doing something, I don't feel like I'm wasting time. It might happen tomorrow, or it might happen in 20 years. I trust the process.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
Wrong! The art becomes much more acute! This is a bunch of bs from Lynch. His best film, Eraserhead, his only good complete film, was done during his suffering period. This dude has a decomposition lab in his basement.
Eh. You don’t have to flagellate yourself to be a good artist but people who are giddy with joy usually don’t make very interesting art because there’s nothing dramatically compelling about happiness. Even Lynch himself probably wouldn’t have made Eraserhead if he hadn’t lived in the bombed-out industrial hell of Philadelphia.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
Hf I really needed this today. Would’ve brought a tear to my eye if I wasn’t so emotionally detroyed from today. Rest in Peace to one of the greatest to ever do it.
Rest in Peace, David. When I saw the credits at the end of The Fabelman's I was so happy to see David Lynch playing the famous director John Ford, one of his heroes.
"Negativity is the enemy of creativity." Pain crystallizes thoughts in an artist's head but it depletes the energy to create; they have to wait until the pain passes to render it into form. Non-creative people can't transform emotion into shape so they don't understand the process and see pain as a motivator, not a hindrance.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@ Lynch wasn't saying pain wasn't part of the art, he's saying it's not part of the *process.* Depression or anxiety can give you tremendous insight, but you can't make anything in the throes of it because it interferes with the energy you need to create. You're talking about *subject matter* and *tone,* not the actual experience during creation.
Art, in any form, is joy and passion. Releases you from suffering, is that little piece in the world where you find solace and you finally feel at home.
I've been writing a Lynch and Kafka inspired novel about my past suffering. I was afraid that because I'm past that stage of my life where I was in great pain, I wouldn't be able to write about it. This was most encouraging. I'm now at my best period to be writing
Saving this to listen to whenever I feel so overwhelmed I can't work. I haven't been creative in a long time. I miss my artistic side. RIP Mr. Lynch. You will be greatly missed.
I've read that he's now forced to walk around with an oxygen bottle wherever he goes. Yeah, Lynch is gone. He started smoking at 8 and quit at 76. His lungs are FU. At this point, if I was in his situation, I would seriously contemplate euthanasia. Going around with oxygen ? No, thanks, f that, bye bye.
@@sowososmooth he cannot go outside, at that stage you are forced in bed or in a wheelchair with the oxygen. If you don't move your organs get worse and worse. You start suffering because your muscles get weaker and weaker (walking is essential to avoid joint pain). Even going to the bathroom becomes a struggle and your are just waiting for your lungs to collapse. Emphysema doesn't get better. Living in such conditions is not even "living" anymore and at one point you seriously run the risk of not even be able to end your own life even if you feel excruciating, intolerable pain everyday.
I have always noticed when I was feeling worse mentally I never was able to write or play my piano. It's one hundred percent true. Sure some great art can come from when you have suffered but you can't adequately create when suffering.
100% Yes.. I have learned and am still learning when I am suffering .... to stop. But also there has been suffering that was not debilitating and I could pick up the guitar ( which I do everyday) and play something "simple" expressing the feeling. Ya...ya... this is great. We all have some store of suffering to draw from...anyway. This morning was G major chord with descending bass.. G F# F E A.. not original maybe but evokes such a feeling.😊
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@@EbonyPope Yes. You said it well. Art as a way to cope with suffering. The blues and the spirituals. I have expressed both. Well, concerning Mr. Lynch he has passed beyond suffering, but who knows maybe not.
While he is right in saying that you don’t *have* to suffer in order to make art, suffering could really be the main motivation for many of the greatest artist. For suffering promotes change and art ist an escape for ones misery.
The connection between suffering and great art is as mythical as the connection between crazy and genius. Its amateur hour stuff. Loving what you do and having discipline is all I keep seeing.
I'm glad he tried to dispell this, it can be dangerous, some artists might manufacture the suffering in the hopes that it will help them make a masterpiece. The only times I had to quit a project was when I was suffering emotionally. But sometimes new projects are therapeutic and help me get out of suffering. And I'll reflect on painful past experiences, but it's after the fact when I'm in a good mental state.
Read recently that the true opposite of Depression isn't Happiness; the opposite of Depression is Expression. That's why we have to put the effort into creating even when (or ESPECIALLY when) we are at our lowest points. I personally know that's a tall order. Last week I even had to burn a vacation day because of depression. BUT it is truly better for you to create just as much when you are down as when you are up.
Battling my own depression only hurts more knowing how much art I could have made in the time I bottled up my own frustrations in life. Thank you, Mr Lynch. May we meet through our dreams rather than our demise.
He is so so right, not least in his remarks about van Gogh. He wasn't "crazy"; he had an absolute clarity of mind when he was painting. That's it. God rest his soul and David Lynch's too❤❤❤
One of the best messages of monsters inc is how it turns away from violent machismo and instead shows that caring is so much better and even how the most seemingly scary monsters can be the most loving
That’s honestly the “secret” of these great artists. What we got from them was in spite of the suffering.
Saving this insight. So true.
Sometimes we romanticize suffering
Which can be turning something terrible into something beautiful, making it meaningful, but it also teaches us that it is okay or necessary to suffer, which itself can be good too because a lot of us beat ourselves up and internalize suffering and keep it to ourselves, but it can also distort our relation to our suffering. It's okay to not be okay, it's okay to talk about it and allow yourself to be honest and be helped.
Suffering is okay and you are allowed to suffer and speak about it and help each other through it, but it needs to be overcome and transcended in joy, growth, flourishing. Growing pains and overcoming challenges, learning to confront pain and give it a place in our lives. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but whatever doesn't make you stronger is killing you.
I also concur with your elucidating insight. We often think great artists have to be insane or in deep pain. A lot of our idols work really hard and aren't any more tortured than anyone else. Some of the people we think were messed up on substances 24/7 are actually sober, and those who weren't were less productive because of their issues. A lot of great work and people who could contribute end up being lost in the annals of forgotten and unheard history because of their suffering.
@@dstinnettmusic the value of our life can only be measured by our suffering. The more one suffers the more value there's to one's life!
*Nope, an artist is born, not create it, suffering just fuel their art in other ways, but they can also fuel their art with happiness or any other emotion cause they can create.*
@KitariItsSomethingRottenHere That's true, someone is born an artist, not made! The more ingenious the more dedicated to creating art to the point that geniuses live for rather than off of their art. Carl Jung said it well, a great talent subordinates his entire life to art at the greatest cost! There were happy geniuses who, due to benvolent auspicious external circumstances, thrived rather than suffered. Yet that doesnt change the fact that an artist driven by inspiration would forego his own comfort and personal well being just to create ART! Suffering has a cathartic and purifying efect.
RIP David Lynch 😢 🙏 🕉
😢😢😢😢😢
His suffering is over.
I just heard he passed on
Sad news
He damn well better. Otherwise, God and me are gonna have fuckin' *words.*
Genuinely never had a death hit this hard since Stan Lee. Rest In Peace, David ❤️
Thank you David Lynch. Sincerely, an artist who prefers not to suffer.
Wjen asked how he dealt with the loss and pain in his life, Boris Pasternak famously remarked that "suffering is what gives value to our life"! There's really no way for artists or ordinary people to avoid suffering in life. Lynch makes it look as if avoidance of suffering is an option when it actually isn't!
@@vertigopull I don't think it's about avoidance of suffering, I think it's about allowing ourselves to work on feeling better
@baptistejanin9615 Well, that's a natural mechanism that kicks in when we suffer. But is it possible altogether not to suffer?
Before we were born, after we die and when we meditate. Maybe, when we do what we enjoy doing, such as when we work, when we do a good job. Then, I think, it's also about our attitude, our philosophy and what we think about. We don't need to think we need to suffer, because still we won't be able to avoid it at times, but if we believe we must suffer, even the beautiful, good moments we all experience, could belong to suffering, not to us.
Peace @@vertigopull
@@vertigopull No. If you never suffer, do you have feelings? Are you not sad that you’ve lost loved ones? That bad things happen? To say one doesn’t suffer says that one doesn’t have feelings. Not suffering is akin to being a psychopath. That’s patently ridiculous to say that there’s no suffering in life.
This is the first time I've felt seriously hurt by the news of an artist's passing. Rest in peace, David Lynch.
I haven't been this depressed at an artist's passing since Dolores O'Riordan died (and before that, Leonard Nimoy). And a lot of people I've admired have passed on in the ensuing years, so that's how major this wound feels.
@@Theomite For me it was the double-punch of Norm MacDonald and Sean Lock passing withing a few months of each other
I know what you mean. I rarely feel this way about the passing of an artist. After hearing the news, I sort of switched off. But now that it's actually hit me - for complex reasons - it does hurt. David Lynch has meant so much to me for decades. And always will.
I actually teared up, and that's how hard it hit me
@@Theomitefor me it was David Bowie, now Lynch. 💔
I can't paint when I am stressed. Art is my happy place. I can only paint when I am relaxed and focused.
It’s difficult. I chose this for a career 🫠
@@mezlandiamy parents finance my career 😅
@@mezlandia Then you are wonderful, and same. Art is my life.
Yeah I havent been able to bring myself to paint for a year…
Yes and no when I‘m depressed I sit down and write, it‘s basically the best anti depressant there is for me.
He is absolutely right about art and suffering.
yes and no, I think there needs to be a certain degree of suffering involved in the creation process and also in a persons life. There needs to be a certain pressure a willingness to break free from the suffering. Many artists (musicians for example) fall off as soon as they make it. Oftentimes my depression does keep me from being productive, this is true, but I also thinks it‘s what makes me a relatable and compelling writer. Life experience is everything especially when it comes to writing. You can tell if a movie producer has had a sheltered life.
@@REALdavidmiscarriageKinda moot argument. Many many artists just get more productive when they make it because now they have all the means at their disposal. What you talking about is drawing inspiration from experiences and emotions. Thats not tied to financial status only.
@@KayRuffiniYeah no one wants to suffer but, it’s just part of life. That’s one thing we can be certain of in life
We will suffer but it’s just how we deal with it that matters
Consider J.D. Salinger he had PTSD after the war people obsessed about Catcher in the Rye he became a recluse meditated and wrote all day but stop publishing any work the creativity was there but he couldn't suffer the industry or public anymore.
@@REALdavidmiscarriagemaybe unhappiness urges the creativity but with the bending of energy makes happiness
This man was truly one of a kind
Cosmos done broke the mold when it made that feller: one and done; never another like him before or since. The only (still-living) filmmaker of that creative caliber and original genius I can think of is Jodorowsky, and despite my love for the crazy SOB and his hand in creating the greatest surrealist films *_and_*_ sci-fi comics_ ever made (look 'em up; Jodo's freakishly prolific!), I prefer Lynch's films for their heart and narrative force. Lynch implicitly understood, as well or better than any artist I've encountered in any medium, the *language of dreams,* and enciphered his films with it.
I loved when Lynch would talk about how he loved mornings, having coffee, looking out a window. Weirdly normal.
The idea that an artist should be "happy" to suffer for the sake of their art plays right into the hands of the people that take advantage of artists.
"happy to suffer" is a very funny series of words, i like it.
@ A good name for an Emo band! 😂
Indeed - it’s one of the oldest kinds of gaslighting, along with the “undeserving poor” myth
If you have a look at Van Gogh's life you can see how right Lynch was. Vincent Van Gogh didn't paint his pain, he painted his love of life and people. His greatest works were made in his periods of peace and contentment. His illness literally stopped him from creating art at several points in his life. It was love, not suffering, that made Van Gogh.
I had the good fortune to stand in front of an original Van Gogh on my own. Within seconds the tears were rolling down my face.
@@Jan_MacI took a photo of the texture of one maybe thirty years ago and when I see the photo it still astounds me
It's a bit difficult to see what's actually true, in my opinion. Mind you, I do 100% agree that happiness will likely bring most creativity & productivity. But I'm also painfully aware that I'm in the spot I'm currently in BECAUSE I've spent a long time as a hermit (figuratively) due to mental anguish, addictions etc. etc. I do wonder if i would have ever been at this point if i had more to prioritize in my life and if i didn't spend the majority of every day being obsessed with my thing.
Maybe it truly didn't matter, and maybe my anecdote is truly just an anecdote and not in line with most people's experiences. But I do wonder if my PAST suffering enabled me to now be my most creative (when happy)
Golden Sunshine and Blue skies all the way. RIP David Lynch
i just hope you did not suffer mr. lynch, you will be always the greatest of all time!
Thank you so much David for your wisdom and your art, rest in peace ❤️🩹
So true. I was in pain for years, got surgery and suddenly I was able to write and enjoy life again. I’m gonna miss you so much David. Thank you for leaving us a legacy that we will continue to grow and learn from. Blessings to your family and daughter ❤
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@ you can disagree, but that does not make it wrong.
I disagree too.
I mean, you need energy, life and some light to create, to produce, yes.
But there are things that you can only see with suffering. There are things you must bring from the darkness, and show it to the world when you give them the light, your light, the light of the universe.
@@EbonyPope david lynch isnt talking about only having happy emotions in the art. if you ever saw one of his movies you'd know that they can be pretty bleak and disturbing. you misinterpreted what he means. he is not arguing against darkness in art he is arguing against the notion that an artist needs to be suffering all the time
@@battleb0ng420 No. He clearly says you can't make art when you are depressed. While that might be true for him there are lots of people including me - I play guitar - that get very prolific in their artistic output when they are depressed. He is simply wrong about it. That is not to say that it is needed. Sure there are things made not because of hardship. But it it's more than obvious that A LOT of art was inspired by suffering. The greatest pieces of art often are. Look at all the art in Rome in the catholic churches. Lots and lots of suffering and also based on the aritsts experience with it.
suffering sucks....i wish none of us hadto suffer..
I can only make art when I'm happy. When I'm depressed, it's the furtherest thing from my mind. RIP David
likewise
Thank you Mr.Lynch
Its so hard to create when you are suffering. But creating something does help you suffer less
I seriously don't get hung up on Hollywood deaths usually, but this one has really hit me these past few days. Him and Philip Seymour Hoffman have been the two to get me in my feelings. Just all around incredible artists. May they rest in Power. Thank you so much David ❤
What about Robin Williams? 😢
@@nisoshahabibzadehYes, and also Paul Walker.
I used to not want help or medication for my disorder because I was told it would impede my art, and I became convinced that my art was better when I was suffering. But I finally reached a point where I had no choice but to receive medical attention, and afterwards I went on to create some of my best work.
The Starry Night, arguably Van Gogh’s most revered painting, was created while he was in an asylum to treat his own illness.
Natural body/brain chemistry can hijack and sabotage what we believe to be the authentic Self.
It took me a while to come around to that perspective and start chugging pills (jk, sorta).
Yeah! Some of his most beautiful works were created during moments of happiness, a coastal retreat, in the clinic where he painted the doctor. He says this in his letters to his brother, he would write excitedly to his brother that he had a burst of happiness and created many new paintings and experimented with new techniques
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@@EbonyPope , I think he refuted the "tortured artist" (close to the "starving artist") stereotype, he didn´t refute the fact that some negative life experiences can be expressed in art.
@@EbonyPopeImo you are depicting melancholy (or melancholia, I don't get the difference, we have only one word in my language) Which I define as being happy to be sad. You can't create art if it doesn't bring you any form of happiness. In this case, art brings you comfort in your sadness, it helps you to cope with it. And sure it's an interesting feeling (My favourite tbh) to express. But if you don't find any happiness in your art, then you'll just get stuck in your bed, unable to do anything, just like Lynch said.
So smart. RIP David Lynch
RIP 😢 Going to watch all his work this year
Good man, good man.
Ill second that
He is 100% correct. I thought with the pandemic that I was going to be very prolific.
I've barely written anything but am starting to get it back because I can't be away from it forever. It's been in my blood since childhood.
You wrote this comment 🙌🏼
@SeanLives true thank you
For me, the pandemic was a time for rest. I didn't feel creative during it. I just took in other people's art. But now I'm starting to get back to the drawing board, and I'm having the opposite problem. I have so many ideas I don't know which thread to follow. Maybe having ideas isn't like fishing, maybe its more like taking care of fish and watching them grow. So I just keep plugging away, feeding all the fish until maybe one starts developing before the others. As long as I'm doing something, I don't feel like I'm wasting time. It might happen tomorrow, or it might happen in 20 years. I trust the process.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@EbonyPope That is your opinion and you can have it all to yourself.
Rest Easy Master ❤️🩹
I will miss David Lynch 😢
Rip legend
This guy is good. His take on Vincent Van Gogh is something I never thought of. I respect his point of view here.
Thanks Dude,
Pete
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
Will miss you Forever Mr. Lynch. Thank you for making my life better with your Art.
Rest in Peace, you strange, marvelous man. Thank you for making our dull existence so fantastical and weird. ❤
RIP David Lynch you were an amazing person & film maker and you will be missed
One of the most authentic human beings ever. See you in The Big Dream! Love you David! ❤️
Suffering can bring new perspectives on things, but David is right, when you're suffering you're not able to focus fully on the art you're making
Right! you can create some impressive art from that time of suffering. However, that comes after you have suffered.
Wrong! The art becomes much more acute! This is a bunch of bs from Lynch. His best film, Eraserhead, his only good complete film, was done during his suffering period. This dude has a decomposition lab in his basement.
@@blurredlenzpictures3251 cool story bro
@@blurredlenzpictures3251 Yep Lynch was spouting nonsense here. Pain fuels creativity like nothing else.
But creativity isn't essentially art@@ertugrulsanskopar8248
Sorely will be missed ❤😊
RIP to a real one.
I liked when he talked about meditating.He was so excited to be passing on knowledge that worked for him.
R.I.P David
Gonna miss you David rest in peace buddy
Miss you already. Godspeed.
He's absolutely right. Some of those artists may have been depressed but they could only find joy in their work.
Negativity is the enemy of creativity ❤❤ I love this. Godspeed, Mr. Lynch
We all love David Lynch. He can tell such macabre and surreal stories but still has a great heart.
ugh we lost such a great talent. thank you for everything david!🙏🏾🕊️
I think it's more a case of suffering and great art both being caused/inspired by understanding the world more than the average person.
Real words of wisdom... Rest in peace Mr Lynch 🙏🙏🙏✋✌️
I can't believe we have lost this treasure of a man. The world is worse off without him.
David Lynch a true Auteur and a visonary director and Hollywood maverick rest in peace
Thank you David , u spoke well for us artists .
This man was a gift.
Rest in Power , legend
RIP David Lynch
its not about the suffering but what you can get out of it, to make you spark
Suffering does produce art because it is an escape
Not when it gets really bad. I think that’s what he’s saying.
From a person who’s dedicated his life to the craft of storytelling. I’ll take it
My heart is filled with your art
Hes right, im an artist. I do my best work when i feel good, always have.
Another David Lynch W
enjoyment is the food of art
Eh. You don’t have to flagellate yourself to be a good artist but people who are giddy with joy usually don’t make very interesting art because there’s nothing dramatically compelling about happiness. Even Lynch himself probably wouldn’t have made Eraserhead if he hadn’t lived in the bombed-out industrial hell of Philadelphia.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
He's right
RIP GENIUS😢🖤
RIP David Lynch.
Hf I really needed this today. Would’ve brought a tear to my eye if I wasn’t so emotionally detroyed from today. Rest in Peace to one of the greatest to ever do it.
Rest in Peace, David. When I saw the credits at the end of The Fabelman's I was so happy to see David Lynch playing the famous director John Ford, one of his heroes.
Blue Velvet is amazing.
It was released one year before I was born.
I have the DVD.
"Negativity is the enemy of creativity."
Pain crystallizes thoughts in an artist's head but it depletes the energy to create; they have to wait until the pain passes to render it into form. Non-creative people can't transform emotion into shape so they don't understand the process and see pain as a motivator, not a hindrance.
Beautifully put.
@@HEAVYpeople250499 Thanks! Every now and then I get something right.
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@ Lynch wasn't saying pain wasn't part of the art, he's saying it's not part of the *process.* Depression or anxiety can give you tremendous insight, but you can't make anything in the throes of it because it interferes with the energy you need to create. You're talking about *subject matter* and *tone,* not the actual experience during creation.
Sometimes suffering at the right amount and temperature can spark the motivation from where creative beauty emerges.
Art, in any form, is joy and passion. Releases you from suffering, is that little piece in the world where you find solace and you finally feel at home.
Those words are so true. RIP, David Lynch. And thank you🙏🍂
I've been writing a Lynch and Kafka inspired novel about my past suffering. I was afraid that because I'm past that stage of my life where I was in great pain, I wouldn't be able to write about it. This was most encouraging. I'm now at my best period to be writing
Pop the name brother! Hope people will be able to buy your book someday.
Very interesting combination. Dream-like but with rules which everyone seems to understand but you. Apt choice.
Aight good luck with the sad memoirs 😂 I’m sure it’ll be a smash hit 😂
Lynch is wise genius artist🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
True
Saving this to listen to whenever I feel so overwhelmed I can't work. I haven't been creative in a long time. I miss my artistic side. RIP Mr. Lynch. You will be greatly missed.
This is true, working 💪 creates happiness.
I just hear that wheeze and I pray for this man
What wheeze?
I've read that he's now forced to walk around with an oxygen bottle wherever he goes. Yeah, Lynch is gone. He started smoking at 8 and quit at 76. His lungs are FU. At this point, if I was in his situation, I would seriously contemplate euthanasia. Going around with oxygen ? No, thanks, f that, bye bye.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956i think you may just not like living
@@sowososmooth he cannot go outside, at that stage you are forced in bed or in a wheelchair with the oxygen. If you don't move your organs get worse and worse. You start suffering because your muscles get weaker and weaker (walking is essential to avoid joint pain). Even going to the bathroom becomes a struggle and your are just waiting for your lungs to collapse. Emphysema doesn't get better. Living in such conditions is not even "living" anymore and at one point you seriously run the risk of not even be able to end your own life even if you feel excruciating, intolerable pain everyday.
He's also quite old. He's 78 and lived a long and good life. I'm happy he reached that age considering how much he smoked in his life
David Lynch and his movies are fantastic. Twin Peaks love 😎♥️
Great director and interviewee 😊
I ❤ THIS MAN w my WHOLE HEART AnD SOUL!!!
I have always noticed when I was feeling worse mentally I never was able to write or play my piano. It's one hundred percent true. Sure some great art can come from when you have suffered but you can't adequately create when suffering.
100% Yes.. I have learned and am still learning when I am suffering .... to stop.
But also there has been suffering that was not debilitating and I could pick up the guitar ( which I do everyday) and play something "simple" expressing the feeling.
Ya...ya... this is great. We all have some store of suffering to draw from...anyway.
This morning was G major chord with descending bass.. G F# F E A.. not original maybe but evokes such a feeling.😊
No I'm sorry but he is wrong. Blues and spirituals would not be the same if they sang of positive things. Negative emotions might be detrimental in the moment. But art is a form of coping to overcome that suffering. So while SOME art might not necessitate suffering other forms like the spirituals and the blues that I mentioned as an example absolutely do. They connect with people because we all know what hardship is. Otherwise art would only about sunshine and rainbows. Like with all things in life the answer is: It depends. Some art doesn't need it some does.
@@EbonyPope Yes. You said it well.
Art as a way to cope with suffering.
The blues and the spirituals. I have expressed both.
Well, concerning Mr. Lynch he has passed beyond suffering, but who knows
maybe not.
Rest in peace legend
I agree with him! He’s right and very wise.
While he is right in saying that you don’t *have* to suffer in order to make art, suffering could really be the main motivation for many of the greatest artist. For suffering promotes change and art ist an escape for ones misery.
The connection between suffering and great art is as mythical as the connection between crazy and genius. Its amateur hour stuff. Loving what you do and having discipline is all I keep seeing.
Wise words from a genius, RIP
An outstanding artist and a very noble person.
I will be missing his movies. RIP
Best break up songs are from suffering. Nothing to write about when everything is good. No passion or motivation.
The more you feel pain the more you put passion in your art, belong to me
I'm glad he tried to dispell this, it can be dangerous, some artists might manufacture the suffering in the hopes that it will help them make a masterpiece. The only times I had to quit a project was when I was suffering emotionally. But sometimes new projects are therapeutic and help me get out of suffering. And I'll reflect on painful past experiences, but it's after the fact when I'm in a good mental state.
A lesson ill never forget. Thank you David Lynch, were gonna miss you.
This is how I’ll remember David Lynch. Super insightful, super cool.
Read recently that the true opposite of Depression isn't Happiness; the opposite of Depression is Expression. That's why we have to put the effort into creating even when (or ESPECIALLY when) we are at our lowest points.
I personally know that's a tall order. Last week I even had to burn a vacation day because of depression. BUT it is truly better for you to create just as much when you are down as when you are up.
One of my heroes and role models, man 2025 hit hard this year ..
Battling my own depression only hurts more knowing how much art I could have made in the time I bottled up my own frustrations in life. Thank you, Mr Lynch. May we meet through our dreams rather than our demise.
All I can say is "Here's to Ben." And here's to David Lynch. We will miss you.. 🍻
RIP Legend.
Rest in peace you fucking wizard 😢
He is so so right, not least in his remarks about van Gogh. He wasn't "crazy"; he had an absolute clarity of mind when he was painting. That's it. God rest his soul and David Lynch's too❤❤❤
Preach it David Lynch! In heaven everything is fine because you are there. I will miss you dear friend 🎬
rest in peace david
He's 110% true. Depression is killing motivation and therefore creativity
*He's so damn right. Depression kills motivation, ergo, your joy and energy to create.*
One of the best messages of monsters inc is how it turns away from violent machismo and instead shows that caring is so much better and even how the most seemingly scary monsters can be the most loving
Great perspective.
Rip to a legend