Detroit Pistons: Why Jaden Ivey MUST START!

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @craigg5052
    @craigg5052 3 месяца назад +11

    Thank you Kool Aid for advocating for my guy Ivey. ❤

    • @thugwayjoepog8163
      @thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад +5

      Talk some sense into Ku, Kool-aid 😂

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      It don't matter Ivey, will be gone by the deadline

    • @thugwayjoepog8163
      @thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад

      @@wrongthinkpodcast2140 lmao

    • @MikeyP123
      @MikeyP123 2 месяца назад

      @@wrongthinkpodcast2140coming back to this comment after the J.B. Gets the best out of JI

  • @Organic_Lindo
    @Organic_Lindo 3 месяца назад +7

    Jaden showed improvement as a playmaker throughout his rookie year, but had a completely incompetent coach his second year. As long as JB doesn’t prioritize a barely g league talent over him (ie Killian) he’ll continue to improve. He has it in him.

    • @J.Ragland-hz1er
      @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +1

      Jaden Ivey CONTINUOUSLY improves.
      #theprodigalboxerwastrainedbyhismomma

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@J.Ragland-hz1erLOL keep dreaming

  • @Truthtella
    @Truthtella 3 месяца назад +11

    Jaden Ivey will average 19-20 per game this year on 46% FG 36% 3pt 4 asts 4 rebs and a 1 stl per game this year. Proving his is the running mate for Cade. Mark it down.

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      @Truthtella LOL OK!! Jaden Ivey, is a HUGE BUST

    • @teezzz9645
      @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад +1

      21/5/5

    • @megaprofessionalz9944
      @megaprofessionalz9944 3 месяца назад

      @@Truthtella That would be LOVELY and the beginning of a 🔥🔥🔥 backcourt‼️ No more monty and no more excuses for J.I. this season, we need that consistent 18+ppg and better shooting from him this season, he's more than capable of getting it done.

    • @J.Ragland-hz1er
      @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

      Imagine a Pistons team more like the Old School Pistons... 7 players in Double Figures. Imagine also a team who you only know 3 or 4 of the starters.

    • @J.Ragland-hz1er
      @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

      I've seen Ausar go Coast to Coast and turn a player around. I mean from Rim to Rim. Scoring should be balanced, with multiple players capable of exploding on any game, including Ivey.

  • @nathanzonno9030
    @nathanzonno9030 3 месяца назад +4

    Really like starting Cade, Ivey, Simone, Harris, Duren … Cade is better at catch and shoot threes which bolds well for when Ivey does have the ball.. both Ivey and Cade can create mismatches with the ball and then 1-4 can shoot… also think we see a big jump in Durens defense this year he’s so young is going to get better every year with experience.. people fault him for his effort and checking out but being so young in such a bad situation is a pretty good excuse for that lol

    • @Truthtella
      @Truthtella 3 месяца назад +2

      I agree but statistical over there careers Ivey is actually a better catch and shoot 3pt shooter.

    • @nathanzonno9030
      @nathanzonno9030 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Truthtella oh for sure!! Especially towards the end of last season he was a sniper lol He’s going to need it because obviously Cade is the main ball handler but I hope they really try and have more balance offensive attack and show versatility

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Truthtellaagain NO he's not, you're repeating lies

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +2

    Coach Monty: Hey Ref, you missed the ca...
    SUDDENLY!!
    "SELL THE TEAM!!" "SELL THE TEAM!"
    Ref 1: Did you hear Monty try to say something?
    Ref 2: I thought I did for a second, then
    ...
    "SELL THE TEAM!"

  • @manny5825
    @manny5825 3 месяца назад +9

    I want to see JI play the point with Cade at the 2. Also opposing teams will be force to adjust for JI on the open court.

    • @deontecallaway4026
      @deontecallaway4026 3 месяца назад +2

      He’s too turnover prone and plays out of control

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад +5

      @@deontecallaway4026Cade isnt any better lol

    • @deontecallaway4026
      @deontecallaway4026 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Beastmode298He might turn the ball over but he’s not out of control. He’s not jumping in the air trying to make passes in mid air.

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад +3

      @@deontecallaway4026 Turnovers are turnovers lol its ok to criticize Cade bro

    • @deontecallaway4026
      @deontecallaway4026 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Beastmode298 I don’t have a problem criticizing Cade at all. I’d love for him to play a full season which he never has.But let’s not act like him and Ivey are the same. Their essentially the same age with same number of NBA games and one got the max while the other had multiple players added at his position. Thats pretty clear no matter what our opinions are.

  • @detroitfamous7668
    @detroitfamous7668 3 месяца назад +5

    Ivey is my fav baby. Ivey dont have to be an outside shooter. He can go backdoor. Tbh cade should be our spot up shooter. Ivey can collaspe the defense.

    • @Truthtella
      @Truthtella 3 месяца назад +3

      People act like Ivey can't shoot. He's shooting 34% 3pt career. That's higher than Cade's first two years.

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@TruthtellaIvey, is a horrible shooter and he's NOT a 34% shooter, pl7s when he gets fouled he doesn't make the free throws....You're a casual

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      @@detroitfamous7668 Ivey can actually get to the rim at will I dont get how a player like that is stuck in the corner while we watch Mr. "Plays at his own pace" spam pick and rolls cause he has no explosiveness. 100% agree with Cade being our spot up shooter

    • @teezzz9645
      @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад

      Ivey can be seen as best on the team truth be told time will tell

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +2

    Time for a SCOUTING REPORT on how fans are doing in THEIR role...

  • @nathanzonno9030
    @nathanzonno9030 3 месяца назад +6

    I think we are too bullish on Malik Beasley he’s a good player and got him at a good price but he might be gone as soon as next year he’s not our shooting guard of the future.. if we can get Isaac Okoro people are saying then Ivey is gone.. which I think if we get Okoro who is 23 and matches up with everyone’s timeline go ahead and get rid of one of the older guys and or don’t play them as much.. both Beasley and THJ let’s be honest are journey men.. Bucks had to start Beasley last year cuz they were so depleted after getting Dame.. THJ had every opportunity with the mavs to solidify himself on a championship contending roster and couldn’t. Stay all in on our young core

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +2

      Okoro is a 3&D 2/3. We don't have any of those on the roster. I keep hearing people saying he would take Ivey's spot, but our PG depth is Cade, Ivey, Sasser?? Ausar???
      Okoro is a better overall player than Fontecchio, Beasley, and THJ. Tek and Beasley signed contracts designed for a trade, which speaks to your exceellent point that they might not even be here at the end of the season, let alone next year.

    • @nathanzonno9030
      @nathanzonno9030 3 месяца назад +3

      @@pheralanpathfinder4897 great point the more I think about it the more I love it..Imagine him and Ausar in a line up putting people in Guantanamo bay on defense lol

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +3

      @@nathanzonno9030 I still suspect the Cavs will want to much in a S&T but it's worth pursuing.

    • @megaprofessionalz9944
      @megaprofessionalz9944 3 месяца назад

      @@pheralanpathfinder4897 Okoro is ok, but he's not hardly as valuable to us a Tecc and you're trippin if you think were getting rid of a guy like Tecc that fits so seamlessly with Cade. He's arguably one of the best value players in the Association right now. Not to mention I'm kinda skeptical of Okoro's alleged improved 3 point shooting. Fact of the matter is he didn't have to shoot many of them and they were likely wide open shots as he was like a 4th or 5th option when on the court. I doubt he'd shoot as well here, and I already like Ausar and Holland as our wings.

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад

      @@megaprofessionalz9944 so Okiro isn't a good three point shooter but Ausar and Ron are?
      I would prefer to trade the old guys for better players. But Trajan has hinted at moving them for draft picks. Some might stay for the rest of their career such as Tobias but Beasley and Tek weren't signed to long term deals for a reason.

  • @ajthagreat313
    @ajthagreat313 3 месяца назад +2

    Coach gotta adapt who ever got the mismatch need to have the ball.

  • @teezzz9645
    @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад +4

    Great analysis by Kool Aid
    Ivey will be amazing next season

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      NO he won't!! Cool-aid is always drinking the Cool-aid, that's how he hot the name

    • @teezzz9645
      @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад +3

      @@wrongthinkpodcast2140 you’re drinking Haterade
      Keep that same energy when Ivey balling under a coach that actually has a brain unlike Monty

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +1

    Time for a Scouting Report on...
    PISTONS FANS!
    What is the ROLE of a Fan?
    How well are PISTONS FANS performing their role?

  • @360will7
    @360will7 3 месяца назад +6

    Good breakdown fellas. However, as long as Cade holds the ball and take too much time to make a decision any off guard will struggle.

    • @patrickwickett1787
      @patrickwickett1787 3 месяца назад +4

      He only had to "take too much time" cause he was passing to
      Killian Hayes
      Isaiah Stewart
      Jared Rhoden
      Ausar Thompson
      Stanley Umude
      Jaden Ivey
      Joe Harris (Lmfao)
      Shall I continue?

    • @360will7
      @360will7 3 месяца назад +2

      @@patrickwickett1787 Cade has to find away to get it to them in their sweet spots. Dribbling around trying to break the defense down and causing turnover is worse than trying to get your teammates involved.

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад +5

      I promise you if Ivey had Cade's usage this team would be better

    • @Antonio-h7c
      @Antonio-h7c 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@Beastmode298I agree

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@patrickwickett1787you're wasting your breath bro, these guys either don't understand basketball, or they have a crush on Jaden Ivey!! Cade finished top 10 in APG, with guys that couldn't shoot

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +1

    FIRST... SUPPORT THE COACH!!
    GO PISTONS!!

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад +1

    The last 15 games of the season....🤔🤨 ... isn't that when:
    1. The Christian Wood types try to show they're ready.
    2. The Nerlens Noel and Taj Gibson types are playing, meaning teams aren't as concerned with stopping Ivey because they have a 12 PT Lead?

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +3

      ??? Ivey started most of his rookie season. He averaged about 34% on threes then as well. I expect that number to be close to 36% during the upcoming season.

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@pheralanpathfinder4897keep dreaming!! He's a horrible shooter

  • @LeeSohlden
    @LeeSohlden Месяц назад

    Start Sasser, Ivey, Cade at small forward, Reed, Duren
    Bench: Beasley at point, Fontecchio at shooting guard, Klintman at small forward, Thompson at power forward, Tolu Smith at center (for development minutes - mostly Duren and Reed will cover the backup center minutes.) Holland comes in as needed, to shore up the defense.
    Note, this is just a possible rotation. I do thousands of them over an offseason. So, don't get hung up over Harris not being in this one; maybe he is injured the week we see this one used.

  • @patrickwickett1787
    @patrickwickett1787 3 месяца назад +1

    The comments on here are assanine

  • @polo3433
    @polo3433 3 месяца назад +4

    Ivey will perform better coming off the bench. The issue with Ivey is that he has been inconsistent, particularly in his defensive efforts. Hopefully, by the second half of the season, he can find his way back into the starting lineup.

    • @WeezyD313
      @WeezyD313 3 месяца назад +4

      Can’t you say the same thing for Cade?

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад +3

      @@WeezyD313Yeah but Cade gets a pass cause he was the #1 pick 🙄😂

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +2

      Ivey and Duren are both bad defenders. Maybe neither should start?

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@WeezyD313NO!!! Cade, is better at defense and he has to run the offense...

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@pheralanpathfinder4897EXACTLY!!!!!

  • @megaprofessionalz9944
    @megaprofessionalz9944 3 месяца назад +1

    I dig J.I. as well, but after the All Star break and having that new kid (Congrats) he didn't play very well. Actually seemed to be in sort of a slump ending the season, I'm sincerely hoping for better from him this season alongside C2.

    • @nemss100
      @nemss100 3 месяца назад +2

      They also traded bogey and burks I think he had to do to much without any starters in the lineup we had g league players

    • @megaprofessionalz9944
      @megaprofessionalz9944 3 месяца назад

      @@nemss100 I hear that, but the slump shouldn't have lasted that long, and I was especially disappointed when he seemingly let hating azz benedict mathurin punk him and outplay him our last match up vs indy 🤦🏾‍♂️. I've seen the DAWG and fight in Ivey, I can't wait to see it back on a consistent basis. I also think J.I. working with shooting coach Vinson should be nothing but a bonus for him and the team as well.

  • @nemss100
    @nemss100 3 месяца назад +2

    I like this my guy let’s not give up on are players pistons fans just don’t do that

  • @alonzomalone285
    @alonzomalone285 3 месяца назад +2

    All we have to do is give Jaden a real chance he was decent his rookie year for a rookie and his 2nd year he was put in a bad position let him play and i "CHUCK" GUARANTEE he will average at least 19

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    A TYPICAL opponent strategy:
    Stop Cade and Ivey, force Flynn to try to beat us. Success = Malachi Flynn scores 50.
    Strategy: Beat the Pistons inside guys 🤨 = more possessions = Jaden Ivey trading baskets as OPP OFF REBS win the game. Such games are not good barometers.

  • @Truthtella
    @Truthtella 3 месяца назад +1

    Kool-aid thank you because its clear a lot of people are just echo chambers of bad narratives. They don't even know the actual numbers. They say Ivey can't shoot at all but he's shot 34% 3pt. That's higher than Cade's first two year. Off ball play. Fun fact Ivey on catch and shoot 3pt shooting is 36% career. Cade is only 28% on those situation. Not trying to down Cade he's great. I'm just pointing out hippocracy of some fans. They gave Cade all the leeway in the world to develop but when it came to Ivey it was a totally different thing. So Im glad you brought out the facts and pushed back on the sheep who just repeat what they hear and follow. Ivey should start next to Cade period. The funniest part they didn't even know Ivey was a better FT shooter and defender than Beasley. 😅😅

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +2

      Stew gets the same treatment. Many in the local media are still saying he doesn't stretch the floor with his 38% three point shooting.

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@pheralanpathfinder4897I love beef stew!! But Ivey is 🗑 🚮 🗑 🚮 🗑 🚮 🗑 🚮 🗑

    • @teezzz9645
      @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад +1

      Exactly it’s clowns like Ku Khahil in the community that put out trash narrative’s about players simply cause they don’t like them and people run with it cause they have a “platform”
      Cade has been unhealthy since he came in the league and the one year he was marginally healthy he was at the head of a 28 game losing streak and worst record in franchise history not making anyone around him better yet people act like he’s a golden child he’s not

    • @Truthtella
      @Truthtella 3 месяца назад

      @@teezzz9645 I agree but I still think Cade and Ivey will be great together

  • @KJ-jb6qj
    @KJ-jb6qj 3 месяца назад +4

    Jaden iveys never had a fair chance to play WITH cade. Let JB figure it out

  • @jabjab314
    @jabjab314 3 месяца назад

    Where is Ivey? Haven't heard or seen him during this off-season.

    • @teezzz9645
      @teezzz9645 3 месяца назад +1

      All praise to the most high
      Putting that work in growing the locs back out

  • @Artis_OTS
    @Artis_OTS 3 месяца назад

    Feel like anyone saying they need to get rid of Ivey just doesn't know what they're talking about tbh.

  • @luniz4209
    @luniz4209 3 месяца назад +2

    If he can't outplay these other guys in practice/preseason, he absolutely shouldn't start. You can't keep giving guys who don't deserve it big minutes after 10 or more years of doing so unless you want to stay in the constant rebuilding phase. Good teams don't just hand minutes to below average players.

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +1

      The entire roster is below average except Cade, Tobias, and maybe Stew....

  • @melvhintonjr.1824
    @melvhintonjr.1824 3 месяца назад

    Jaden Ivey seems like a God fearing, cool dude on and off the court. Character with skill are all signs of a good athlete, with leadership potential.

  • @kellenkrug7295
    @kellenkrug7295 2 месяца назад

    Jaden has yet to play 50 games with Cade every lineup Ivey was starting last year was terrible no help, and doesn’t help when he coach benches u the first 25 games of the season, bro is gonna breakout and duren is coming with him

  • @MoneyMakinMayne574
    @MoneyMakinMayne574 3 месяца назад

    Jaden should run point Cade at two or three

  • @educational6604
    @educational6604 3 месяца назад

    Jayden just needs to to be more efficient and take care of the ball mainly and if his defense can get a little better that would be great

  • @derekbrown2763
    @derekbrown2763 3 месяца назад +1

    broder is clueless

  • @unclesam6972
    @unclesam6972 3 месяца назад +2

    If JI is ready mentally he should start

    • @patrickwickett1787
      @patrickwickett1787 3 месяца назад +3

      wut

    • @unclesam6972
      @unclesam6972 3 месяца назад

      @@patrickwickett1787BBIQ wut

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад +1

      @@patrickwickett1787Monty brainwashed these people lol

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Beastmode298no you're in love with Ivey

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      @@wrongthinkpodcast2140 No im in love with the team not one player unlike yall

  • @DetroitFlip5680
    @DetroitFlip5680 3 месяца назад +1

    Poor man's Westbrook. That's Ivey right now. It's up to him to be more!

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      @@DetroitFlip5680 And what is Cade? Please dont say Luka cause thats laughable at best

  • @marcorolo4726
    @marcorolo4726 3 месяца назад +1

    Nope. Ivey will be even better off the bench playing the swing guard role. Both backup PG and split backup SG with THJ who doesn’t need to play that much. Beasley is a starter in this team

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад

      I'm not sure Beasley is better than THJ or Fontecchio. I expect THJ to start since he is buddies with Cade and has the bigger contract. I'm not seeing all the Beasley hype.

  • @DetroitFlip5680
    @DetroitFlip5680 3 месяца назад

    It's very simple for Jaden Ivey. Ivey needs to think and play under control. Ivey was WILD last season!
    2nd. Jump-Shot. It makes no sense to be that fast but don't have a pull up game.
    3rd:Wide open shots. Can Ivey become a Off Ball Guard who actually can shoot?
    Right now Ivey is a poor man's Westbrook.

  • @rashadm.1976
    @rashadm.1976 3 месяца назад +1

    He's not that good and is an undersized 2 guard that can't play defense. Unless he shows dramatic improvement time to move on from him next season and get a big guard that can shoot and play defense next to Cade.

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      He's way better than Cade he actually has burst and can play more than 70 games

    • @rashadm.1976
      @rashadm.1976 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Beastmode298 you message board people are insane. No one in the league believes that, it's why Ivey's trade value isnt all that good.

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      @@rashadm.1976 Yeah because he's being forced to play behind an injury prone vegan who might be better suited off the ball, hate to break it to yall but he'll never be Luka lol

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад

      Who do you have as the Pistons backup PG if Ivey is just a SG?

  • @DetroitFlip5680
    @DetroitFlip5680 3 месяца назад +1

    The Ball is in Jaden Ivey's hands. After the all star break, Ivey was BAD! BAD! BAD!! Ivey was afraid to shoot the basketball. If you're afraid to shoot the ball, you won't make it in the NBA. I saw fear in Ivey. Other teams started to leave Ivey and double Cade. That's on Ivey!!

    • @Beastmode298
      @Beastmode298 3 месяца назад

      Cade had 40/31 splits in March but yeah he's the franchise 😂🙄

    • @pheralanpathfinder4897
      @pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад +3

      You might want to go to the eye doctor for a checkup. Ivey averaged about 19 points per 36 after the all star break. How many points do you expect him to score?

    • @wrongthinkpodcast2140
      @wrongthinkpodcast2140 3 месяца назад

      ​@@pheralanpathfinder4897ok liar!! Ivey, played better off the bench

  • @Thomaskeys-1987
    @Thomaskeys-1987 3 месяца назад

    He not a guy you can build confidence in by bringing him off the bench

  • @patrickwickett1787
    @patrickwickett1787 3 месяца назад +1

    Jaden Ivey should not start. Ivey 6 man

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    Who's the Pistons PG!?!
    🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣🤭🫢🤣😅🤣😅
    Oh how quickly a fans forget when they stray from the Pistons Page.
    I REMEMBER!! 🤪 WHAT, ME WORRY?
    "... every player is a 'quasi-point guard'..."
    "... 1A/1B...". Didn't you get the memo?

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    Typical Opponent Strategy:
    Stop Chimezie Metu. (Now why was HE in the games?)
    Local Detroit Media: It's the COACH! He didn't figure out how to best use Chimezie Metu... 🫡

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    FIRST... SUPPORT THE COACH!!
    GO PISTONS!!

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    Who's the Pistons PG!?!
    🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣🤭🫢🤣😅🤣😅
    Oh how quickly a fans forget when they stray from the Pistons Page.
    I REMEMBER!! 🤪 WHAT, ME WORRY?
    "... every player is a 'quasi-point guard'..."
    "... 1A/1B...". Didn't you get the memo?

  • @J.Ragland-hz1er
    @J.Ragland-hz1er 3 месяца назад

    FIRST... SUPPORT THE COACH!!
    GO PISTONS!!