I can sit and watch your bids for hours and be completely engrossed ,It so good to have something great to watch when I'm stuck in the chair all day .Another great vid !!!
One possible wrinkle - from memory as you mentioned in the FLIR teardown - there are legal/export problems around high framerate IR cameras. There is an explicit exemption for car-thermal vision systems as long as they have a positive disable when they are removed from the car, so they can't be used. If I'm remembering this right - enabling could be quite awkward.
From personal experience on a previous project, Audi system components expect to see a periodic SYSTEM_RUN message on the CANbus to enable a module. In my case it was adapting a Audi electronic steering assist module for use for a racing boat. The assist module expected to see SYSTEM_RUN packet every 100ms or so to keep it active. It was not sufficient to simply send it the ASSIST_FORCE command to keep it running. The solution was to send SYSTEM_RUN messages every 90ms and send ASSIST_FORCE commands only when the pilot changed the UI input (a POT) The pilot could also turn the module off. The PIC controller program simply stopped sending the SYSTEM_RUN messages. This caused the assist module to go into idle_stand_by within 350ms.
Hi Mike, thank you for all the amazing videos you produce. Two years ago you did that video... have you got any new informations about the thermal imaging camera? I'm very interested in these things, but as a studend I can't afford to spend 500€ on somethink I don't even know if it will work. Have you played with the camera again?
Interesting, this is the same camera module Noptic uses for their unity spot light mounted thermal camera which is marketed to police agencies. It's called the "PathFindIR" by Flir
I've seen these and similar going pretty cheap on ebay (300-500 GBP). But most of them seem to require going into the specific control box of the manufacturer. Or you can buy a 'converter' box to get svideo/vga/whatever out. But those converters cost 1000+ GBP. Would be a good source of cheap automotive FLIR night vision cams if it wasn't for the dang custom manufacturer computer boxes that they have to connect to.
Bit late but you can get the Cadillac Deville thermal cameras which are a 320*240 BST sensor at 60FPS, feed em 12v and they spit out a NTSC signal. Average cost is around 200ish?
That circular interface you called "possibly LVDS" looks identical to a connector on a module of my own car used for USB. I wouldn't be too surprised if it's somewhat of an industry standard, and that's what they're using here. Probably worth probing to find out!
hello from almost 2023, the connector for the camera is a HSD A therefore you might need a HSD A female connector. Pls correct me if i'm wrong. I wonder if you can use image from this cam to connect this to arduino/raspberry pi
This camera, as well as all other modules in a modern car need to be told through the CAN-line the car is on Ignition to start working properly. If you just power them up they usually go into test cycle and transmit their S/N, sometimes VIN number and other specific codes through CAN, and if they don't see a respond from the Body Control Module of the car they go into Sleep Mode. Then they wait for the BCM, CAN Interface Module or Instrument Cluster to send them through CAN an Ignition ON message to wake up. There is also a Wake-Up signal which only takes them to Stand-By mode but most modules are not enabling all their features at this stage to preserve energy (the car battery). Bottom line: it's almost impossible to make those modules work with their full functionality out of the car they came from. Optional modules like this camera will only work properly in a car they are intended for and enabled in the option's menu of the other modules the given one is designed to communicate with.
Trying to locate a good lens. The outside lense that gets damaged. If you know any replacement let me know. The camera works perfectly just needs a lens thats not pitted from years of use
I might have overheated a few Google boxes searching for datasheet of this damn thing. Any news on the sensor signals ? Since this thing has finite ( if any) computing resources on chip and there doesn't seem to be lock against opening the box, does that mean that reverese-engineering of the signalling involved would be easy if one could take a look of chip signals when mounted on the vehicle ?
Effectively twin chokes on the same former, wound with 1 pair back to front. This means that any common mode noise or spikes (that is to say noise appearing on both + and - lines) will tend to cancel each other out.
Hello, I have a problem with the camera night vision I have a black image. I did a diagnistic autoscan vcds no flaws. where does the problem come from ?
I have one mercedes S500 cabrio 2017 with the same camera. One stone have broken the glass and now is not working, the complete camera cost in mercedes 3000 eur and 6 month waiting. Can i by only the front glass ?
aserta absolutely, its probably the most hostile environment for such a thing, extreme variance in temp and vibration would desolder those BGA's quite effectively :D
Aussie50 I mentioned moisture protection because of diving tech. It has either identical or similar under-fill. But, yes in a car, first concerns, temp and vibration.
Hi, sorry if U said that in video but i'm not really good understand english from voice. Do U know where the eeprom is? I'd replace this camera in car but the new one hasn't first adaptive. Dealers in my neighborhood hasn't any machine to calibrate. I'm thinking about copy old eeprom to the new one.
I wonder why don't they put that black epoxy around CPUs and GPUs of Playstation and XBOX consoles so they won't move and misplace when they overheat...
9:02 - some surface mount component in a hole on the desk, the trademark of a working engineer.
I can sit and watch your bids for hours and be completely engrossed ,It so good to have something great to watch when I'm stuck in the chair all day .Another great vid !!!
One possible wrinkle - from memory as you mentioned in the FLIR teardown - there are legal/export problems around high framerate IR cameras. There is an explicit exemption for car-thermal vision systems as long as they have a positive disable when they are removed from the car, so they can't be used.
If I'm remembering this right - enabling could be quite awkward.
queazocotal .
not for black magic technicians.
Whats the resoning behind the export ban?
@@Nordic_Mechanic supposed military use
From personal experience on a previous project, Audi system components expect to see a periodic SYSTEM_RUN message on the CANbus to enable a module. In my case it was adapting a Audi electronic steering assist module for use for a racing boat. The assist module expected to see SYSTEM_RUN packet every 100ms or so to keep it active. It was not sufficient to simply send it the ASSIST_FORCE command to keep it running. The solution was to send SYSTEM_RUN messages every 90ms and send ASSIST_FORCE commands only when the pilot changed the UI input (a POT) The pilot could also turn the module off. The PIC controller program simply stopped sending the SYSTEM_RUN messages. This caused the assist module to go into idle_stand_by within 350ms.
metaforest
You are someone id like to kidnapp, hold prisoner and force to use your knowledge to build what i want.
Hi Mike. Love the video. Looking forward to seeing when you get it going!
Looking forward to see it powered up!
Hope you get some more time for this soon, looks very promising!
I'd like to see you get this thing to work, I really liked your pillcam teardown & hack video.
Hi Mike,
thank you for all the amazing videos you produce.
Two years ago you did that video... have you got any new informations about the thermal imaging camera? I'm very interested in these things, but as a studend I can't afford to spend 500€ on somethink I don't even know if it will work. Have you played with the camera again?
Interesting, this is the same camera module Noptic uses for their unity spot light mounted thermal camera which is marketed to police agencies. It's called the "PathFindIR" by Flir
When do you receive the remaining parts from the Audi for teardown Mike ?
I've seen these and similar going pretty cheap on ebay (300-500 GBP). But most of them seem to require going into the specific control box of the manufacturer. Or you can buy a 'converter' box to get svideo/vga/whatever out. But those converters cost 1000+ GBP. Would be a good source of cheap automotive FLIR night vision cams if it wasn't for the dang custom manufacturer computer boxes that they have to connect to.
Yep. same for the BMW cams, Hope a talented guy manages to find a cheap DIY solution so we can take advantage of these "low" prices.
That is a really cool bit of gear!, it would make an awesome FLIR security camera!
I imagine they are not a cheap bit of kit to begin with tho :(
*****
yeh I would be interested in a DIY kit if he can make it send the image to a TV or VGA monitor :D
Bit late but you can get the Cadillac Deville thermal cameras which are a 320*240 BST sensor at 60FPS, feed em 12v and they spit out a NTSC signal. Average cost is around 200ish?
Mike, did you worked more on this camera?
Hi Mike.. need your help to teardown flir pathfindIR
Hello, your channel is fantastic! congratulation! what is the weight of this camera? and you tell which is the resolution? 325x256 or 640x480?
That circular interface you called "possibly LVDS" looks identical to a connector on a module of my own car used for USB. I wouldn't be too surprised if it's somewhat of an industry standard, and that's what they're using here. Probably worth probing to find out!
Wouldn't it be fun if this thing just enumerates as a USB webcam?
Alex Whittemore Hmm, just got to the serializer chip bit. Can you probe whether that chip is directly connected to the output connector?
You're telling me I can get my eyes upgraded?
This video is painful to watch.
Yes that is a standard connector, called Quadrax.
hello from almost 2023, the connector for the camera is a HSD A therefore you might need a HSD A female connector. Pls correct me if i'm wrong. I wonder if you can use image from this cam to connect this to arduino/raspberry pi
Is there any possibility for video out from the camera?
is it possible to make it work out of car? how to stream out camera vision video on any display?
It wouldn't be very easy. You need to connect to Audi CAN line to enable it. It's looking for Ignition ON to start operating.
Couldn’t you plug it to permanent power supply for it to work?
This camera, as well as all other modules in a modern car need to be told through the CAN-line the car is on Ignition to start working properly. If you just power them up they usually go into test cycle and transmit their S/N, sometimes VIN number and other specific codes through CAN, and if they don't see a respond from the Body Control Module of the car they go into Sleep Mode. Then they wait for the BCM, CAN Interface Module or Instrument Cluster to send them through CAN an Ignition ON message to wake up. There is also a Wake-Up signal which only takes them to Stand-By mode but most modules are not enabling all their features at this stage to preserve energy (the car battery). Bottom line: it's almost impossible to make those modules work with their full functionality out of the car they came from. Optional modules like this camera will only work properly in a car they are intended for and enabled in the option's menu of the other modules the given one is designed to communicate with.
Thank you for that helpful insight
Trying to locate a good lens. The outside lense that gets damaged. If you know any replacement let me know. The camera works perfectly just needs a lens thats not pitted from years of use
I might have overheated a few Google boxes searching for datasheet of this damn thing.
Any news on the sensor signals ?
Since this thing has finite ( if any) computing resources on chip and there doesn't seem to be lock against opening the box, does that mean that reverese-engineering of the signalling involved would be easy if one could take a look of chip signals when mounted on the vehicle ?
What kind of filters would be used to filter out automotive noise for electronics? Those two you are pointing at look like chokes to me.
Effectively twin chokes on the same former, wound with 1 pair back to front. This means that any common mode noise or spikes (that is to say noise appearing on both + and - lines) will tend to cancel each other out.
Can you get video from this? Can it go faster than 9fps?
hi the camera after replacment (2nd hand) it calibrate alone or it need to do something ? thank you
Is there any news on this, did anyone managed to make these things turn on?
What do modern Audi's have?
Hello, I have a problem with the camera night vision I have a black image. I did a diagnistic autoscan vcds no flaws. where does the problem come from ?
How does this compare to the E4? Resolution wise?
How much did it cost you?
I have one mercedes S500 cabrio 2017 with the same camera. One stone have broken the glass and now is not working, the complete camera cost in mercedes 3000 eur and 6 month waiting.
Can i by only the front glass ?
I notice all the BGA chips have a sort of black epoxy on them. Is this to protect against vibration?
I suppose so yes, but i think it's for moisture.
***** Yeah, makes more sense since this is an unit that sits in the front of the car.
aserta absolutely, its probably the most hostile environment for such a thing, extreme variance in temp and vibration would desolder those BGA's quite effectively :D
Aussie50 I mentioned moisture protection because of diving tech. It has either identical or similar under-fill. But, yes in a car, first concerns, temp and vibration.
TheJetSparrow .
No to prevent removal with out destruction.
hi, can u help me to connect the sistem to an external monitor? Best regards.
Any chance to see it connected to an ipod nano screen? Kickstarter?
Funny I need one of those and all the ones on ebay have fubar lenses. And here you have a good one to thinker with
Hi, sorry if U said that in video but i'm not really good understand english from voice. Do U know where the eeprom is? I'd replace this camera in car but the new one hasn't first adaptive. Dealers in my neighborhood hasn't any machine to calibrate. I'm thinking about copy old eeprom to the new one.
can i buy this frm you??
Hallo, its posible an one Monitor (Video Signal) to send.Thank you in advance.Can I use the Audi Termal Cam in anader car.
I NEED sensor teardown
I wonder why don't they put that black epoxy around CPUs and GPUs of Playstation and XBOX consoles so they won't move and misplace when they overheat...
ptodorov0 I am pretty sure xbox and ps have an APU not a dedicated gpu correct me if im wrong
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Aha! A flir.
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woa neat :) can i have it ?
Dude - all you’re doing is rambling on about nothing.poor Video.
That looks like a Tau2 Core. www.flir.com/products/tau-2/