Aaron Cash also references events from Arkham Origins several times in the evidence locker. Deathstroke and Firefly both reference events from Origins. Thugs on the street reference events in Origins. The game may have some consistency issues with the other games, but the main plot of the game is canon as far as Rocksteady are concerned. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just living their own fantasy headcanon.
Don’t forget the Anarky’s jacket and also Sefton hill director of Arkham Asylum, City and Knight had confirmed in 2015 at E3 that Arkham Origins is Cannon
Deathstroke also references their fight on Penguin’s cruise ship in Origins. Also, if you go to the Evidence Locker in the GCPD, you can hear pre-recorded messages from Aaron Cash that specifically talk about events from Origins. Such as Anarchy and the Electrocutioner’s Shock Gloves being used by Batman after he died. Thugs on the street also recall events Origins.
There is actually an explanation for the grapnel boost since in Origins he had a much bulkier more armoured suit it wouldn’t be as dangerous to move at such speeds but when he moved onto the more fabric based suit it would be far more dangerous to propel himself like that so that’s why he had to retire it and by city he had created a new grapnel boost one that would be much safer
The debate whether or not it's canon is so tired. It's canon. The Arkham Asylum bios are not a strong point to disprove it, and a traversal mechanic isn't either
It’s objectively canon. Arkham origins was explicitly designed as a prequel, but Asylum was made without any idea that it would grow into an entire series. Despite it being the OG Batman Arkham game, this makes some of its details the most susceptible to retcon. In regards to the grapnel boost, having a game with a bigger map and then taking away a key traversal mechanic would have been a gigantic mistake, and arguing that choice for continuity’s sake wouldn’t have made the game any better in fan’s eyes. This game faced an uphill battle for its place in the canon regardless, and taking away the grapnel boost would have made this game dead on arrival.
Asylum wasn't really made without the idea that it would spawn an entire series, it's one of those rare cases where the publisher really has faith on the product because they actually started planned Arkham City some months before Asylum was completed. In fact, you can even find an easter egg that hints at the sequel inside Asylum, it's basically blueprints for the Arkham City prison.
The bios in Asylum also imply that Hugo Strange has already met Batman, show a Penguin and Freeze that look *very* different from later alpearances, and imply Barbara has been Orcale for years, when the DLC for Knight (which was developed by Rocksteady and thus can be considered canon by default) implies she became Oracle only months before Arkham Asylum. Safe to say those bios are non canon.
I'd say Arkham Knight confirms that Origins is canon. There are several references to Origins littered throughout the game after all. Deathstroke and Firefly mention their boss fights, a militia solder in one of the final Miagani Island watchtowers also explains the general plot of Arkham Origins to another soldier, one of the rescued firefighters also references Firefly's attack on Pioneers Bridge and in the GCPD Evidence lock-up Cash references the plot of Origins in his recorded commentary referring to the plot of Origins as the night of the Blackgate riots.
I get people who dont like the game , but to say it isn't canon ... yeah, I've got my views on that . ° In the original Arkham Game, Hush's bio establishes he's a villain that Batman's encountered before , Arkham City back peddles with the Identity Killer side mission - when Batman is surprised to realise the killer is Thomas Elliot . And for anyone who'd like to dispute that he'd battled Hush - but didn't know he was Thomas Elliott, he's in his Hush attire and Batman just seems baffled to who he is ( there isnt any direct reference that they've met before ). I would take every Arkham franchise as being canon - just not accurate. Origins is canon it's just some fans really wish it wasn't.
The video right above this one was talking about this saying that in the AO trailer you can see Deadshot scoping Slade and Batman and in Arkham Knight you can find Deadshot's sniper in the same location meaning its canon
The character bios in Asylum are NOT canon. Go and read a few of them, they got completely retconned. Go and see what it says about Hugo Strange, and even how he looks.
Heres my personal explanation about the Grapnel Boost. So his old Suit was more heavy, Armored, And could (to quote Mr Fox) Could take the G’s. While his City and ESPECIALLY Asylum suit didn’t need it. When City came around, Batman was creating a Grapnel Boost for the City Suit, It was a prototype and was Unsafe but still worked somewhat. And the Knight Suit can take the rest.
@@BeegChaosControls No, it never says that is where they first met. If you're referring to the Joker's "So I'm your first am I, toots?" line, it doesn't mean first time meeting. It means Joker is the first patient Harley interviews after being hired to the asylum. Doesn't mean they haven't met prior to that. If you listen to Harley's tapes, she already sounds deranged when she first starts working there.
I love how people criticize origins for retconning asylum even though city does the same thing but even worse. In asylum, there are bios for strange and hush, two villains that don’t even get started UNTIL city. That’s a way bigger retcon than joker meeting Harley at blackgate instead of the asylum. Arkham knight even contradicts asylum. In asylum, there is a news article about firefly attacking someplace in Gotham, but in Arkham knight, Batman and one of the firefighters explicitly state that firefly hasn’t attacked Gotham since the bridge attack in origins, which takes place around 9 years before asylum
The the Arkham Origins Blackgate DLC there's a whole plotpoiny about the 'arkham wing' in blackgate So it could be explained that thats where Joker was kept and we might not've been shown the name in the main game
I have always seen it like this: Origins and Knight feel like they are in an alternate universe where Asylum and City are canon to them, but Asylum and City feel like they are in an alternate universe where Origins and Knight are not canon to them. Knight references Origins, but Origins conflicts with Asylum and City, so both Knight and Origins clash with Asylum and City. Asylum and City feel directly linked, their stories flow into each other so well, the art direction is the same, the character design is the same, the overall feel of everything is the same. Origins does not have that same dirty feel in its visual design, its similar in places but just not the same, the voice of Batman and Joker is different, the designs of characters are different, little continuity errors like Harley and Joker meeting in a different place compared to what was pre-established in Asylum, etc. Knight ALSO has a different, more realistic artstyle, different designs for characters, ect. Knight and Origins always just felt off compared to Asylum and City. Its not that they are bad, they just don't feel like they fit perfectly, the way City fit perfectly alongside Asylum.
Points for it being canon: In Arkham Knight it's the only known time that Deathstroke and Firefly have encountered Batman before knight. Electrocutionors gauntlets are in gcpd. Origins is also referenced by the Batman Arkham universe visual guide. The point against asylum saying joker and Harley met in Arkham can be explained away by the fact that asylum is the first game and a detail like that could have just been a shortsighted thing considering it was the first entry in that universe
In Arkham asylum which is the second chronologically he also does not have the boost, so this could mean that he had just not improved it yet in Arkham origins
But in arkham city the grapnel boost was only a prototype, so how does the prototype 13 years later existed since one of the first years in batman career?
Origins is canon with this logic Arkham city is not canon to asylum because the bios in asylum establish hush and Dr. Hugo strange as already meat Batman but in city it’s their first time meat. Also origins has the best story asylum had the best atmosphere, and comic book aesthetic knight had the best gameplay and graphics and voice acting city isn’t the best at any thing it’s just has no weaknesses and is the over all complete package . 1. Arkham city 2. Arkham origins 3. Arkham knight 4. Arkham asylum
But, it clearly is canon. Firefly references being left on the bridge, Deathstroke mentions a rematch, you can find Copperheads poison somewhere (I forgot where), and Anarchy, Electrocutioner, and Black Mask have displays in GCPD.
Whether or not it's canon is irrelevant, when you dig into the series as a whole. It's objectively the least stable entry in the Arkham series, the story, being a prequel, doesn't hold any major revelations to the nature of the core cast(Batman, Gordon, Joker, Harley, Scarecrow, Riddler, Sharp), and it's blatantly reusing the map from City with a few tacked on additions. Is it a bad game? I don't know, my playthrough came to a close after losing interest in the experience after Batman met Barbara at the GCPD and saved Jim from the corrupt cops. Do I think I'd get more out of future playthroughs of Knight if I finished Origins? No, that doesn't seem necessary to me.
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Origins is canon based on the fact that there are the electro gloves he used in origins, in the evidence lockers in the GCPD in Arkham Knight
Aaron Cash also references events from Arkham Origins several times in the evidence locker. Deathstroke and Firefly both reference events from Origins. Thugs on the street reference events in Origins. The game may have some consistency issues with the other games, but the main plot of the game is canon as far as Rocksteady are concerned. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just living their own fantasy headcanon.
Don’t forget the Anarky’s jacket and also Sefton hill director of Arkham Asylum, City and Knight had confirmed in 2015 at E3 that Arkham Origins is Cannon
More cannon than suicide squad.
It’s objectively canon.
Yes, it is canon. In Arkham knight firefly shouts to batman that he left him on that bridge. Clearly a reference to the bossfight in origins.
Deathstroke also references their fight on Penguin’s cruise ship in Origins. Also, if you go to the Evidence Locker in the GCPD, you can hear pre-recorded messages from Aaron Cash that specifically talk about events from Origins. Such as Anarchy and the Electrocutioner’s Shock Gloves being used by Batman after he died. Thugs on the street also recall events Origins.
They also included South Gotham in Arkham Knight
No you dont understand because joker died in arkham city so how would be canon if hes alive whens ment to be dead
@@bballplayer375 Arkham Origins takes place years before Arkham Asylum
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They met in origins but she started to get a deeper connection to him in asylum
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Arkham knight makes several references to origins
There is actually an explanation for the grapnel boost since in Origins he had a much bulkier more armoured suit it wouldn’t be as dangerous to move at such speeds but when he moved onto the more fabric based suit it would be far more dangerous to propel himself like that so that’s why he had to retire it and by city he had created a new grapnel boost one that would be much safer
I think it is canon however because it was not made by rocksteady they probably missed out on some of the details
Yes, it is, and it's my favorite Arkham game
The debate whether or not it's canon is so tired. It's canon. The Arkham Asylum bios are not a strong point to disprove it, and a traversal mechanic isn't either
In Arkham Knight, Firefly talks about the bridge battle in origins
It’s objectively canon. Arkham origins was explicitly designed as a prequel, but Asylum was made without any idea that it would grow into an entire series. Despite it being the OG Batman Arkham game, this makes some of its details the most susceptible to retcon. In regards to the grapnel boost, having a game with a bigger map and then taking away a key traversal mechanic would have been a gigantic mistake, and arguing that choice for continuity’s sake wouldn’t have made the game any better in fan’s eyes. This game faced an uphill battle for its place in the canon regardless, and taking away the grapnel boost would have made this game dead on arrival.
Asylum wasn't really made without the idea that it would spawn an entire series, it's one of those rare cases where the publisher really has faith on the product because they actually started planned Arkham City some months before Asylum was completed. In fact, you can even find an easter egg that hints at the sequel inside Asylum, it's basically blueprints for the Arkham City prison.
The bios in Asylum also imply that Hugo Strange has already met Batman, show a Penguin and Freeze that look *very* different from later alpearances, and imply Barbara has been Orcale for years, when the DLC for Knight (which was developed by Rocksteady and thus can be considered canon by default) implies she became Oracle only months before Arkham Asylum. Safe to say those bios are non canon.
Or maybe...i don't know
Is a contuinity error, like the Hush Bio
Rocksteady Studios themselves confirmed Arkham Origins is 100% canon
Yeah I remember that interview
I'd say Arkham Knight confirms that Origins is canon. There are several references to Origins littered throughout the game after all. Deathstroke and Firefly mention their boss fights, a militia solder in one of the final Miagani Island watchtowers also explains the general plot of Arkham Origins to another soldier, one of the rescued firefighters also references Firefly's attack on Pioneers Bridge and in the GCPD Evidence lock-up Cash references the plot of Origins in his recorded commentary referring to the plot of Origins as the night of the Blackgate riots.
I agree!
There's more plot holes and inconsistencies in Arkham Knight and that's without counting the ones connected to Origins.
In Arkham Knight there is a LOT of references of Arkham Origins, ofc its official.
The only thing not canon is the sjw squad
squad? there is a squad game?
How about instead of retconning a whole game we just retcon the character bios from Arkham Asylum. Easy.
Knight references several events and characters from origins. It's canon whether yall like it or not. The arkham series is a quadrilogy, deal with it
I’m not arguing that it isn’t canon, I just thought it was an interesting topic
@@foeinform I'm sorry my comment is not directed at you. I'm talking to anyone who may be under the notion that it isn't
@kingjb554 haha that’s fair no worries!
Origins fits a lot better into the canon that suicide squad
haha I agree
Yes, the best game in the franchise, is canon, rightfully so
Most of the character bios in asylum are based on the comics and are wrong so yeah, it’s still canon
I get people who dont like the game , but to say it isn't canon ... yeah, I've got my views on that .
° In the original Arkham Game, Hush's bio establishes he's a villain that Batman's encountered before , Arkham City back peddles with the Identity Killer side mission - when Batman is surprised to realise the killer is Thomas Elliot . And for anyone who'd like to dispute that he'd battled Hush - but didn't know he was Thomas Elliott, he's in his Hush attire and Batman just seems baffled to who he is ( there isnt any direct reference that they've met before ).
I would take every Arkham franchise as being canon - just not accurate. Origins is canon it's just some fans really wish it wasn't.
The video right above this one was talking about this saying that in the AO trailer you can see Deadshot scoping Slade and Batman and in Arkham Knight you can find Deadshot's sniper in the same location meaning its canon
I’d 100% take this as cannon over suicide squad
haha fair
The character bios in Asylum are NOT canon. Go and read a few of them, they got completely retconned. Go and see what it says about Hugo Strange, and even how he looks.
Oh yeah not saying the Asylum Character bios are that reliable but I would say you could pick parts that are canon
It's canon, Arkham Knight even has a lot of references to Origins.
Yes and it can be explained, remeber we can’t trust joker as a narrator. So they met in Arkham asylum
It’s canon, unlike suicide squad kill the justice league.
Heres my personal explanation about the Grapnel Boost. So his old Suit was more heavy, Armored, And could (to quote Mr Fox) Could take the G’s. While his City and ESPECIALLY Asylum suit didn’t need it. When City came around, Batman was creating a Grapnel Boost for the City Suit, It was a prototype and was Unsafe but still worked somewhat. And the Knight Suit can take the rest.
It's canon. Minor inconsistencies are expected, especially with different writers.
Nowhere in Arkham Asylum does is say that is where Joker and Harley met for the very first time. I don't know where people keep getting that from
If you have Arkham Asylum, or just search in RUclips, listen to the Joker tapes in character bios
The Tapes. Specifically the dates and the whole THEM MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME! Though i will excuse it since i love Origins.
@@BeegChaosControls No, it never says that is where they first met. If you're referring to the Joker's "So I'm your first am I, toots?" line, it doesn't mean first time meeting. It means Joker is the first patient Harley interviews after being hired to the asylum. Doesn't mean they haven't met prior to that. If you listen to Harley's tapes, she already sounds deranged when she first starts working there.
I love how people criticize origins for retconning asylum even though city does the same thing but even worse. In asylum, there are bios for strange and hush, two villains that don’t even get started UNTIL city. That’s a way bigger retcon than joker meeting Harley at blackgate instead of the asylum.
Arkham knight even contradicts asylum. In asylum, there is a news article about firefly attacking someplace in Gotham, but in Arkham knight, Batman and one of the firefighters explicitly state that firefly hasn’t attacked Gotham since the bridge attack in origins, which takes place around 9 years before asylum
The the Arkham Origins Blackgate DLC there's a whole plotpoiny about the 'arkham wing' in blackgate
So it could be explained that thats where Joker was kept and we might not've been shown the name in the main game
I have always seen it like this:
Origins and Knight feel like they are in an alternate universe where Asylum and City are canon to them, but Asylum and City feel like they are in an alternate universe where Origins and Knight are not canon to them.
Knight references Origins, but Origins conflicts with Asylum and City, so both Knight and Origins clash with Asylum and City.
Asylum and City feel directly linked, their stories flow into each other so well, the art direction is the same, the character design is the same, the overall feel of everything is the same.
Origins does not have that same dirty feel in its visual design, its similar in places but just not the same, the voice of Batman and Joker is different, the designs of characters are different, little continuity errors like Harley and Joker meeting in a different place compared to what was pre-established in Asylum, etc. Knight ALSO has a different, more realistic artstyle, different designs for characters, ect.
Knight and Origins always just felt off compared to Asylum and City. Its not that they are bad, they just don't feel like they fit perfectly, the way City fit perfectly alongside Asylum.
Points for it being canon:
In Arkham Knight it's the only known time that Deathstroke and Firefly have encountered Batman before knight. Electrocutionors gauntlets are in gcpd. Origins is also referenced by the Batman Arkham universe visual guide.
The point against asylum saying joker and Harley met in Arkham can be explained away by the fact that asylum is the first game and a detail like that could have just been a shortsighted thing considering it was the first entry in that universe
Also Arkham City makes MANY things from asylum character bios not canon
Id say its more cannon than character bios
In Arkham asylum which is the second chronologically he also does not have the boost, so this could mean that he had just not improved it yet in Arkham origins
But in arkham city the grapnel boost was only a prototype, so how does the prototype 13 years later existed since one of the first years in batman career?
@@eusoumacaco1322heard it wrong you are correct
Yes it is, and it deserves to be ported to the Nintendo Switch with all the dlc packs. The online mode unfortunately won’t be brought back still
Origins is canon with this logic Arkham city is not canon to asylum because the bios in asylum establish hush and Dr. Hugo strange as already meat Batman but in city it’s their first time meat. Also origins has the best story asylum had the best atmosphere, and comic book aesthetic knight had the best gameplay and graphics and voice acting city isn’t the best at any thing it’s just has no weaknesses and is the over all complete package .
1. Arkham city
2. Arkham origins
3. Arkham knight
4. Arkham asylum
That's fair I would say Asylum is my first tbh haha
There is no debate everyone knows origins is canon 😂
if arkham origins ain’t cannon then why the hell is suicide squad cannon
Even though this is still said to this day which pisses me off
When will some one people see the light and realise the truth
There's a thug conversation in Knight
about how Black mask tried to kill Batman by hiring assassins
so..
YES OBVIOUSLY! SLADE REFERENCES THEIR FIGHT ON THE BOAT AND FIREFLY DOES IT DO!
So that poor alice is cannon? Jeez
Yess you are right, so conclusion: it is canon! :)
If it was Canon to the trilogy it would have been made by Rocksteady and be consistent with the timeline.
But, it clearly is canon. Firefly references being left on the bridge, Deathstroke mentions a rematch, you can find Copperheads poison somewhere (I forgot where), and Anarchy, Electrocutioner, and Black Mask have displays in GCPD.
Yes is canon
The interview tapes are not cannon
Yes. Next question
Whether or not it's canon is irrelevant, when you dig into the series as a whole. It's objectively the least stable entry in the Arkham series, the story, being a prequel, doesn't hold any major revelations to the nature of the core cast(Batman, Gordon, Joker, Harley, Scarecrow, Riddler, Sharp), and it's blatantly reusing the map from City with a few tacked on additions. Is it a bad game? I don't know, my playthrough came to a close after losing interest in the experience after Batman met Barbara at the GCPD and saved Jim from the corrupt cops. Do I think I'd get more out of future playthroughs of Knight if I finished Origins? No, that doesn't seem necessary to me.
Sefton hill said it was canon
It’s cannon…
SuO
Arkham Knight makes it canon
I love this game fuck y'all