I love when people critique my primaris models because my eight year old son painted them. If you are going to compare yourself to an eight year old, I’ll smile and nod- but in my head you are beneath my contempt hahaha
Bonus- they actually look great and have received lots of compliments, while they are missing some of the nuance and detail that comes with years of practice- for an 8yo? They are fantastic and I am very proud of them!
It's seems like everyone has become a Pro Painter and forgot that they are just toys and if they look good on the table who cares about the paint job lol
@@lastsurvivingemothefox9797 the best thing would be to actually say your son painted them. They're critiquing a child's painting. And parent, son, bonding time. I've got a kid on the way, and I hope that I can have some fun painting with them, and the Manly Manperor of Mankind help anyone who critiques their paint jobs.
I have a longtime friend with paper-thin skin and he always critiques my work hard. He's not a very good painter but I always big him up for the effort he puts in as he does try. He doesn't have any motor control issues, perhaps patience. I never tell him this but I consider myself a much better painter, even through the fact he's commissioned me a few times. It gets kindof tiring showing him something I've put so much effort and time in, and the first thing out of his mouth is something in the same vein as "you missed this spot" or at best "Yeah that's nice", yet he has much more emotional reactions to other people's paintjobs, even ones at his own level. Just a negative nancy all around with anything hobby-related for me. Through other non-hobby stuff, I've come to suspect he just doesn't respect me as much as he does others, but that's another story. Stay self-aware and be good to your lads, lads.
yeah, when i did my education as a media artist, there was one girl that was similar to the guy in the second story. She was always asking everyone what projects/ ideas they have. She always responded with 'Oh, thats lame', Thats boring' and stuff like that, and in the end she had someothing similar and pretended it was her idea.
21:55 I speak for the entire Magic: the Gathering community when I say this: We don't want him, and as such, we shall pass on the offer to the Yu-Gi-Oh! community.
This idea that armies need to be painted to a high standard is very much a fantasy/sci-fi concept. It definitely started with Games Workshop (and I don't think it was intentional, more a side effect of the studio armies in White Dwarf) but it's spread to all the communities of all the games that have spawned off the back of Games Workshop (Mantic, Infinity, Malifaux, Warmachine et al). You go and check out historical wargamers and look at their armies. If you look at some of the big historical wargaming tables at wargaming shows they are very, very impressive. Then look at the individual miniatures and they're generally a single coat of each colour (no shade, no highlight), a black/brown wash over the top and then a simple base mix to finish. They look AMAZING when viewed as a collective rather than as individual models and that is the true skill of painting armies; learning to paint things to look great as part of a bigger picture rather than worrying about how it might look on display in isolation. So for me, if someone has at least put the basic colours down, even if it's a bit messy, and done a bit of basing I'm totally happy because I'm looking at the table not the individual miniatures. I am currently going on a bit of a journey if trying to mass produce painted miniatures, quickly and to an average standard. I'm using all sorts of tricks, slapchop/Speedpaint, army painter quick shade dips. It's really interesting and a departure from what I would normally do.
@@rellikskuppin7417 Not sure I understand. I still think people should paint their Miniatures, people just need to stop getting hung up on the quality of the individual piece
@@rellikskuppin7417 I don't think the companies themselves push the quality aspect, I think it's sort if grown up in the community because obviously the White Dwarf studio aren't going to want to have high res photos of models with Paint just daubed all over them; That's hardly good PR. But because most fantasy and sci fi wargamers grew up on a diet of Warhammer, 40k and White Dwarf we've all tried really hard to match the pictures in the magazines. I think companies want you to paint your models but I don't think they're too bothered about the actual standard, hence the big push of contrast paints (and all the rival paint brands equivalents). I am fairly sure it's the community itself that (in general, not everyone in it) that has some bizarre expectation about how well something has to be painted. Get your basic colours and a simple base and get playing is what I say. Save the effort for centrepiece models and special characters.
Ah lord, trying to keep a high standard really screwed up my painting for years. It was slow, and I wasn't experimenting enough because of the pace. Learning to be okay with your jobs and lifting a standard over time, and learning techniques etc. I am painting a pretty fun scheme at the moment, and most of my models are getting to that table ready, with a few mistakes that can be touched up stage for this army. Its been completely different to other armies i've painted, had to learn a bunch more colour theory, but also, I've had to purposely use some techniques I'd normally not enjoy. I've been leaving on extra wash, because the whole army is themed in that jungle/mud style, and it makes everyone look like they've been stuck in the rain. Now if you looked at a model on its own, it has a lot left to do, and a lot to call out. But you stick em on the table, or on the diorama, and it looks sweet as hell, if i can say so myself. the high standards are nice for models that are real centerpieces, or real eye catchers, or a model that costs a lot and you want to spend that time on it. Some people only paint too, which is a little different I spose, and all power to them, but since I painted an empire army, i've really learned to appreciate that a little bit of mess really disappears on a table. you can always go back to it. now i have actual painted armies on the battlefield, and there's always more plastic to paint, or models to touch up. That being said, I LOVE browsing galleries or events and seeing the absolute beasts of painting out there. So many talented people out there, love to see tabletop is going strong.
It's like being at the gym and someone walks up to you starts telling you you need to lift this way to get a certain result and why the workout your doing is shit. Like dude, you don't know why I'm at the gym, maybe I'm not here to look like a body builder or an Instagram model, maybe I'm working out because I need certain things stronger, or maybe it's for medical reasons, maybe I'm not about to hurt myself or others so you should just mind your business.
Yep. yet if that person is somewhat normal, talks to you and becomes your friend, stays a gym buddy, and then over time gives those same tips but with your situation in mind, and helps lift you up and reach your goals? legendary behaviour. Same in the hobby. I'd take a person that has a laugh the whole day and isn't as good, than someone who is legit brilliant at painting but just sucks as a person. Who wouldnt? Those people make the whole experience worthwhile, not a punch in the throat.
9:27 well he was piping down Dave’s ex girlfriend, savoring her sweet meats leaving Dave a sad, salty GeeDub manager as he would sob into his Yvraine body pillow.
I think unsolicited advice is just a nerd thing in general. Okay, we're dealing with a stereotype here. But how many Sheldon types have you run into who see something they think is a flaw and they can't relax until they point it out? "I hate when it's like THIS, I'm only happy when it's like THAT!" It's what happens when there's extremely high levels of conscientiousness in someone's personality, and a lot of geek types are like that.
@@bibsp3556 one of my best friends is definitely like that. I've pointed it out to him. Then one day, he turned it around on me and used my own quote against me when he felt I was doing it. So it's probably in all of us to some degree.
Funny story about stolen writing. It happened to me when I was in highschool. I was bored so I looked if anyone wanted to collaborate on like a comic. Found some indonesian/thai guy apparently he liked my writing. So he approached me which surprised me because his art was really good. He demanded I plot out a whole entry chapter for him and a rough outline of the whole story. I did then he just dissapeared, stopped posting on an account he was active on for months. Later I learned he won some contest with it, got serialized then immediately serialization got shut down. What I learned from that is that ideas are cheap writing skill is not. He stole my writing and won big on it he stole my idea and it fell flat on it's face. Also fuck artists. They are entitled pricks and will try to scam you, will outright lie to you etc.
Too right, I went to a video games expo in Madrid, Spain about 7 years ago and on some of the side stalls and I kid you not this girl was selling copied and plagiarized Disney merchandize, everything from Frozen to Goofy. When I asked her a simple question she blanked me, she had an evil stare which I'll never forget. I bet she thought I was from the Disney corporation noting my English accent !
About the rant of "Play how you want." I know, how much it sucks, I get this all the time. I play Melee Death Guard. Is it a good army? NOOOOO Is it a fun and entertaining army for both players? Most of the time YES.
If I wanna talk about someones models, I always open up with a compliment, then don't even go back to it. I might ask about a technique they used for something i like, or something like that. You let them open the critique of their models. At the end of the day, its a hobby, and its for everyone to have fun. When it comes to gameplay, RP is way more fun than playing objectives usually :P
25:42 Isn't that just really spiteful at this point? Ok they keep poking the guy where it hurts. I really don't see how this is a win beyond proving that they're literally no better and the manger was. 25:58 Except apparently for cancer-man and friends who are bitter assholes continuously poking and prodding the manager where it hurts. This story would at least not be hypocritical if it ended at the 'er got kicked out'. because yeah then the manager is a looser with thin skin, but now it shows that him being made fun off for being dumped and prodding and poking him about it became a regular think even among other customer and that just makes me thing it very likely happened before too.
to be honest, if the manager is a complete dick to you and your friends and other people, and keep doing it, they deserve all the shit thrown their way. As one says, those in glass houses.
How some one gets their money is unimportant. Making a private sale without having the cash in-hand is just willful ignorance. Sounds like all the chat about the bloke being on the dole was a diversion away from his own poor judgement.
Stop using cancer as a description please. I come here for escapism. Unless it's actually to describe Cancer that is. Using it as a comparison generally isn't cricket mate.
People who suffer from cancer or battle it (sometimes not very successful) find these sloppy comparisons disgusting. Some here can't relate obviously. Reflect!
My dad recently died of cancer (as have a few other close relatives) and I have no problem with his use of the word whatsoever. People need to develop thicker skins.
@@gadushholl3469 the problem is not the comparison, it's people's tendency to abbreviate everything they say; ie a descriptive like "cancerous" becomes objective "cancer". To be fair, we can find your inability to control your own feelings of offense pretty disgusting too, especially when you feel the need to tell everyone how mean they are for it. Self-reflect.
If u live at home ie with Yr mom save half or all or most of your 1st dole payments for 3 to 4 moth then beging buying some models job seek twice a day then paint evey model you buy to box art standards it takes all day then you can stockpile dole money and models
I love when people critique my primaris models because my eight year old son painted them. If you are going to compare yourself to an eight year old, I’ll smile and nod- but in my head you are beneath my contempt hahaha
Bonus- they actually look great and have received lots of compliments, while they are missing some of the nuance and detail that comes with years of practice- for an 8yo? They are fantastic and I am very proud of them!
It's seems like everyone has become a Pro Painter and forgot that they are just toys and if they look good on the table who cares about the paint job lol
This is next level
@@lastsurvivingemothefox9797 the best thing would be to actually say your son painted them.
They're critiquing a child's painting.
And parent, son, bonding time.
I've got a kid on the way, and I hope that I can have some fun painting with them, and the Manly Manperor of Mankind help anyone who critiques their paint jobs.
But you are the one comparing others to your son... A stranger is just going to assume you painted them.
I have a longtime friend with paper-thin skin and he always critiques my work hard. He's not a very good painter but I always big him up for the effort he puts in as he does try. He doesn't have any motor control issues, perhaps patience. I never tell him this but I consider myself a much better painter, even through the fact he's commissioned me a few times.
It gets kindof tiring showing him something I've put so much effort and time in, and the first thing out of his mouth is something in the same vein as "you missed this spot" or at best "Yeah that's nice", yet he has much more emotional reactions to other people's paintjobs, even ones at his own level. Just a negative nancy all around with anything hobby-related for me. Through other non-hobby stuff, I've come to suspect he just doesn't respect me as much as he does others, but that's another story.
Stay self-aware and be good to your lads, lads.
Poor Jayce, hope he’s recovering well! Also I would complain to GW HQ about that behaviour, very poor form for a GW manager.
yeah honestly that would be the more reasonable action.
yeah, when i did my education as a media artist, there was one girl that was similar to the guy in the second story. She was always asking everyone what projects/ ideas they have. She always responded with 'Oh, thats lame', Thats boring' and stuff like that, and in the end she had someothing similar and pretended it was her idea.
21:55 I speak for the entire Magic: the Gathering community when I say this: We don't want him, and as such, we shall pass on the offer to the Yu-Gi-Oh! community.
This idea that armies need to be painted to a high standard is very much a fantasy/sci-fi concept. It definitely started with Games Workshop (and I don't think it was intentional, more a side effect of the studio armies in White Dwarf) but it's spread to all the communities of all the games that have spawned off the back of Games Workshop (Mantic, Infinity, Malifaux, Warmachine et al). You go and check out historical wargamers and look at their armies. If you look at some of the big historical wargaming tables at wargaming shows they are very, very impressive. Then look at the individual miniatures and they're generally a single coat of each colour (no shade, no highlight), a black/brown wash over the top and then a simple base mix to finish. They look AMAZING when viewed as a collective rather than as individual models and that is the true skill of painting armies; learning to paint things to look great as part of a bigger picture rather than worrying about how it might look on display in isolation. So for me, if someone has at least put the basic colours down, even if it's a bit messy, and done a bit of basing I'm totally happy because I'm looking at the table not the individual miniatures.
I am currently going on a bit of a journey if trying to mass produce painted miniatures, quickly and to an average standard. I'm using all sorts of tricks, slapchop/Speedpaint, army painter quick shade dips. It's really interesting and a departure from what I would normally do.
Paint sells also
@@rellikskuppin7417 Not sure I understand. I still think people should paint their Miniatures, people just need to stop getting hung up on the quality of the individual piece
Oh sorry its early here I just mean in regards to other companies pushing for quality painted minis and making it a big deal
@@rellikskuppin7417 I don't think the companies themselves push the quality aspect, I think it's sort if grown up in the community because obviously the White Dwarf studio aren't going to want to have high res photos of models with Paint just daubed all over them; That's hardly good PR. But because most fantasy and sci fi wargamers grew up on a diet of Warhammer, 40k and White Dwarf we've all tried really hard to match the pictures in the magazines. I think companies want you to paint your models but I don't think they're too bothered about the actual standard, hence the big push of contrast paints (and all the rival paint brands equivalents). I am fairly sure it's the community itself that (in general, not everyone in it) that has some bizarre expectation about how well something has to be painted. Get your basic colours and a simple base and get playing is what I say. Save the effort for centrepiece models and special characters.
Ah lord, trying to keep a high standard really screwed up my painting for years. It was slow, and I wasn't experimenting enough because of the pace. Learning to be okay with your jobs and lifting a standard over time, and learning techniques etc.
I am painting a pretty fun scheme at the moment, and most of my models are getting to that table ready, with a few mistakes that can be touched up stage for this army. Its been completely different to other armies i've painted, had to learn a bunch more colour theory, but also, I've had to purposely use some techniques I'd normally not enjoy.
I've been leaving on extra wash, because the whole army is themed in that jungle/mud style, and it makes everyone look like they've been stuck in the rain.
Now if you looked at a model on its own, it has a lot left to do, and a lot to call out. But you stick em on the table, or on the diorama, and it looks sweet as hell, if i can say so myself.
the high standards are nice for models that are real centerpieces, or real eye catchers, or a model that costs a lot and you want to spend that time on it. Some people only paint too, which is a little different I spose, and all power to them, but since I painted an empire army, i've really learned to appreciate that a little bit of mess really disappears on a table. you can always go back to it. now i have actual painted armies on the battlefield, and there's always more plastic to paint, or models to touch up.
That being said, I LOVE browsing galleries or events and seeing the absolute beasts of painting out there. So many talented people out there, love to see tabletop is going strong.
It's like being at the gym and someone walks up to you starts telling you you need to lift this way to get a certain result and why the workout your doing is shit. Like dude, you don't know why I'm at the gym, maybe I'm not here to look like a body builder or an Instagram model, maybe I'm working out because I need certain things stronger, or maybe it's for medical reasons, maybe I'm not about to hurt myself or others so you should just mind your business.
Yep. yet if that person is somewhat normal, talks to you and becomes your friend, stays a gym buddy, and then over time gives those same tips but with your situation in mind, and helps lift you up and reach your goals? legendary behaviour.
Same in the hobby. I'd take a person that has a laugh the whole day and isn't as good, than someone who is legit brilliant at painting but just sucks as a person. Who wouldnt? Those people make the whole experience worthwhile, not a punch in the throat.
9:27 well he was piping down Dave’s ex girlfriend, savoring her sweet meats leaving Dave a sad, salty GeeDub manager as he would sob into his Yvraine body pillow.
🤣🤣🤣 👍
I think unsolicited advice is just a nerd thing in general. Okay, we're dealing with a stereotype here. But how many Sheldon types have you run into who see something they think is a flaw and they can't relax until they point it out? "I hate when it's like THIS, I'm only happy when it's like THAT!" It's what happens when there's extremely high levels of conscientiousness in someone's personality, and a lot of geek types are like that.
Oh lord, some days with some things, i'm so like that. cringe. luckily its not plastic models tho, so i can remain a gentleman of great taste.
@@bibsp3556 one of my best friends is definitely like that. I've pointed it out to him. Then one day, he turned it around on me and used my own quote against me when he felt I was doing it. So it's probably in all of us to some degree.
@@RSBurgener pobody's nerfect! I tend to do it at work where things cost money, so it's not always bad!
@@bibsp3556 there's something to be said for not suffering fools.
@@RSBurgener it'll make you happier.
That GW manager should be another recipient of the 4 flat tires surprise award.
Funny story about stolen writing. It happened to me when I was in highschool. I was bored so I looked if anyone wanted to collaborate on like a comic. Found some indonesian/thai guy apparently he liked my writing. So he approached me which surprised me because his art was really good.
He demanded I plot out a whole entry chapter for him and a rough outline of the whole story. I did then he just dissapeared, stopped posting on an account he was active on for months. Later I learned he won some contest with it, got serialized then immediately serialization got shut down. What I learned from that is that ideas are cheap writing skill is not. He stole my writing and won big on it he stole my idea and it fell flat on it's face.
Also fuck artists. They are entitled pricks and will try to scam you, will outright lie to you etc.
Too right, I went to a video games expo in Madrid, Spain about 7 years ago and on some of the side stalls and I kid you not this girl was selling copied and plagiarized Disney merchandize, everything from Frozen to Goofy. When I asked her a simple question she blanked me, she had an evil stare which I'll never forget. I bet she thought I was from the Disney corporation noting my English accent !
Never lent anyone any figures, but if I could pile up all the books I've lost over the years by lending them, then...I'd have a pile of books. 😢
18:38 probs feels nice I get happy if my players as much as make memes for the game
About the rant of "Play how you want."
I know, how much it sucks, I get this all the time.
I play Melee Death Guard. Is it a good army? NOOOOO
Is it a fun and entertaining army for both players? Most of the time YES.
Jase the Inheritor - legendary!
As a Magic the Gathering hobbyist, id much rather not have that dbag GW manager in the hobby
If I wanna talk about someones models, I always open up with a compliment, then don't even go back to it. I might ask about a technique they used for something i like, or something like that. You let them open the critique of their models. At the end of the day, its a hobby, and its for everyone to have fun.
When it comes to gameplay, RP is way more fun than playing objectives usually :P
As an Executioner player, Jayce has some damn good taste 👌
25:42 Isn't that just really spiteful at this point? Ok they keep poking the guy where it hurts.
I really don't see how this is a win beyond proving that they're literally no better and the manger was.
25:58 Except apparently for cancer-man and friends who are bitter assholes continuously poking and prodding the manager where it hurts. This story would at least not be hypocritical if it ended at the 'er got kicked out'. because yeah then the manager is a looser with thin skin, but now it shows that him being made fun off for being dumped and prodding and poking him about it became a regular think even among other customer and that just makes me thing it very likely happened before too.
to be honest, if the manager is a complete dick to you and your friends and other people, and keep doing it, they deserve all the shit thrown their way. As one says, those in glass houses.
@@lupvirga mutual then
Howdy brother, North. Boy ill tell you what, what Dave did. That's grounds for a country ass kickin.
North: im sorry, im usually more composed than this, im just a little but ABSOLUTELY LIVID
How some one gets their money is unimportant. Making a private sale without having the cash in-hand is just willful ignorance. Sounds like all the chat about the bloke being on the dole was a diversion away from his own poor judgement.
get in the fucking sea i love that saying i have to add that to the C.V northern. thanks for the stories :)
Tyre-kicking is an American term.
Or I suppose i should say, "tire-kicking"
And Christian states as well
Another good one!
Stop using cancer as a description please. I come here for escapism. Unless it's actually to describe Cancer that is. Using it as a comparison generally isn't cricket mate.
People who suffer from cancer or battle it (sometimes not very successful) find these sloppy comparisons disgusting. Some here can't relate obviously. Reflect!
I got one for you, your use of uncommon colloquialisms is cancerous to my enjoyment of reality.
My dad recently died of cancer (as have a few other close relatives) and I have no problem with his use of the word whatsoever. People need to develop thicker skins.
@@gadushholl3469 the problem is not the comparison, it's people's tendency to abbreviate everything they say; ie a descriptive like "cancerous" becomes objective "cancer".
To be fair, we can find your inability to control your own feelings of offense pretty disgusting too, especially when you feel the need to tell everyone how mean they are for it.
Self-reflect.
@@tommys_hobbies your a clown mate.
As someone who has in past , been a seller of extracurricular substances - NO CREDIT ever
If u live at home ie with Yr mom save half or all or most of your 1st dole payments for 3 to 4 moth then beging buying some models job seek twice a day then paint evey model you buy to box art standards it takes all day then you can stockpile dole money and models
I've kept up the hobby during down periods; by selling/trading some of the painted plastic for unpainted plastic :P
Your dole is meant as a subsistence payment. You are not supposed to be able to save it to buy toys with. 😅