Poor Dragons... | House of the Dragon 2x04 REACTION/COMMENTARY| "The Red Dragon and the Gold"
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So the previous riders of Meleys and Vhagar were Daemon and Viserys Parents. They would fly around with them together all the time. It makes this even more heartbreaking knowing the two dragons had a peaceful history together before this.
And more recently too when Laena has Vhagar. They would have roosted together at Driftmark. One of the big tragedies is that the dragons wouldn't fight each other if not for the riders.
Aegon was lazy to learn valeryian but stubborn enough to teach Sunfyre English. 😅 they have the best bond from all the riders. A king who would ride to battle? He’s courageous I’ll give him that. Sunfyre is such a good boy, he went for the neck, chest got ripped but he kept flying and then also turned to land on said chest to try and spare his rider
A couple likely reasons why Rhaenys went to face Vhagar:
1. She was charged with defending the castle and taking out Criston, it would look bad to Rhaenyra's allies if her dragons flee the second Vhagar shows up. Though, strategically, I do think preserving Meleys would have been better in the long run.
2. She was the more experienced rider with a faster dragon, she stood a chance of taking out Vhagar and effectively ending the war. Even if she died in the process, it would be worth it.
3. She possibly felt guilty for not burning the greens when she had the chance.
In the end, she is a Targaryen with that fighting spirit and got her dragon rider's death.
Also I’d like to end after her fight sceen and she turned away from the forest going towards the water she was flying towards the direction she came from = back to Dragonstone so she likely was leaving at the end.
I also think at the point she strapped herself in she knew she wouldn't make it out alive, Meleys was possibly too injured to fly back to Dragonstone so she decided to go out doing as much damage to Aemond as she could.
@@melkor3496 The book clearly says she had no intention of leaving the fight.
@@fnx427 I know
The part in rhaenys that urged her to go back and FIGHT, that wasn't her targaryen blood, targaryens don't have a fighting spirit, they're cowards, it was rhaenys' baratheon blood that urged her to fight. She has a baratheon mother.
I don't understand how underrated this channel is. A good camera, good editing and, most importantly, an intelligent person who fully understands what is happening on the screen. Look at the others, 90% of the reactors don't notice the details that she notices. Keep up with this.
I love that Alicent/Aegon scene so much. She'll stand in front of a dragon for him, but she can't bring herself to comfort him when he cries. She'll betray her best friend for him, but she resents him so much because of it that when he asks her advice all she can do is tear into him. She loves him deeply, but she can hardly stand the sight of him because of the horrible person he's become. More so than any of her other children, he's the one whose arrival meant that her life was over: the King's firstborn son, the one the realm would see as the rightful heir in Rhaenyra's stead. All the abuse and expectations that Otto heaped on her, she in turn heaped on Aegon--but where she dutifully executed her father's will, Aegon collapsed under the pressure, and she despises him for it. It's almost like child brides make terrible mothers!
Almost
This 💯
Sick of people making excuses for Alicent. Most high born women were in her situation but they still loved their children. Even Cersei fiercely loved her kids! I'm team Green and even I despise her and I found it hilarious when they picked Aemond over her.
@@morgothsshadow I sympathised with her until she saw Aegon crying and did nothing, now I honestly dont care anymore, I was like comfort your baby you idiot and she just went to Criston🤦♀️
@@morgothsshadow I disagree that most highborn women were in her situation. Sure, unwanted marriages at a young age were pretty common in Westeros, but having to marry *specifically* her best friend's dad and to give birth to children that will be a threat to her succession and her life because she is the daughter of the king is an unusual level of horrible.
I also think that if you can excuse Aegon and Aemond's monstrous actions because of their terrible upbringing but can't excuse Alicent's less awful (though still bad) actions because of hers, there seems to be something of a double standard at play.
Cersei's situation was similar but different in some key ways--notably that her children were not actually fathered by the husband she was forced to marry.
You reaction to Sunfyre the Golden was priceless. Wished we could have seen him before the battle that maimed him. He was said to be the most beautiful dragon to ever live.
That little boop Sunfyre gave Aegon as there were about to leave
Rhaenys' goal was incapacitate the Greens fighting dragons so that they'd have to sue for peace. She was willing to give her life for this to be the first & last dragon battle.
Poor Corlys😢
I was waiting for your reaction above all others, and you did not disappoint. Your insight is always spot on. My heart hurts for Sunfyre who was so devoted to her rider and Aegon never wanted to be king but was trying in his own immature way. He never had guidance and Alicent failed him. Yes, Aegon bullied Aemond, but his faith in Aemond never wavered. “Thank the gods” and in the next minute “no!” as his ‘faithful hound’ attacked him.
Rhaenys and Maylece loss was heartbreaking. When she saw Aemond betray Aegon, I believe that solidified her determination to bring Vhegar and Aemond down. They went down with honor. 💔
"I don't want to see dragons fighting each other!" - Sofie
*watches a show about a dragon war in which she knows most of the dragons will die.
I'm with Sofie. Love to see the dragons but don't love to see them fight.
@@gennytun understandable. but you realize that this is what this whole show is centered around right? lol
Well, technically everyone is already dead in the show as this is a retelling of the history before GoT.
@@kendonato1887 yes but we know that most of them (dragons and people) will die by next season...
the histories have already been written
@@kendonato1887 Except melissandre maybe, she may be alive already during HOTD timeline :D
Sunfire is such a good boy
I love the brief glimpse we get of Aegon's relationship with Sunfyre. You can see the love. Probably the only kind of love Aegon has ever experienced.
Anyone can learn Valyrian. I'm pretty sure the Grand Maester would understand, and wouldn't be surprised if Larys did too.
The concoction that Alys gave Daemon was Weirwood sap, it's what Bran consumes to enhance his Greenseer powers. He drank it because he had just seen her eat some and then add hot water to it.
In the books, it is said that she appears older than she looks, but according to the showrunner, Ryan Condel, she is 400 years old.
Aegon is the most compelling character in this season tbh
Yeah the team green characters in general a lot more interesting/well written imo
I like how people here and Sophie likes Aegon. Because sometimes it feels like it’s only me who is defending aegon in the whole world
His really not that bad
Sunfyre is the first bilingual dragon 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO that dragon is a legend
Sunfyer is bilingual hahah or maybe his bond with Aegon is so strong he understand him in any language
09:12 Good question! Valyrian is a widely spoken language. All nine Free Cities of Essos speak a different dialect of the language, cuz they were somewhat like Valyrian provinces.
But all of those are Low Valyrian. High Valyrian was the original version of the language. Thus why the Targaryens, true Valyrians, practice it. But a lot of learned people know it. Such as the Maesters... which brings us to the Grand Maester... 🤔 (sus-side-eye)
(Eidt)
PS: Tyrion knows broken Valyrian. 😁
This! Anyone could learn it, but few do. It's likely that the Maester understood what was being said, but some only have a thin grasp on it (Aegon here, and Tyrion in GoT) and may understand some, but have a hard time formulating a coherent sentence.
Side eye😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
High Valyrian is the language of the invader. Westerosi lords and nobles have no wish to learn it unless they must. Targaryens did not impose it on them so it has remained their almost private language, which they only share with the dragon keepers and likely some of the maesters who study it.
I was touched that you saw the scene between Alicent and Aegon more complexly than most. To me it was a depiction of abuse. Alicent treats Aegon like a disease from before an age where he is even capable of wronging her, this instills a bone deep self-hatred in him which leads to self-destructive actions. Blame him for being unprepared after you didn't prepare him, blame him for not asking for input and make him feel worthless when he does, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Abuse. That scene made me realize I despise Alicent btw.
Aegon =/= Joffrey, even though they seem similar. Joffrey thought he was god's gift to the world but there is no one Aegon hates more than himself. It makes Sunfyre greeting him so heartwarming, the only living thing that loves him.
Yeah she sucks, I really tried to sympathise with her, but I think I'm done now
Aemond did well with that same parenting but dumbshits need to find others to blame.
I also don't think Aegon is as absolutely sadistic as Joffrey, sure he has his sadistic streak but he also wants to be loved by people. He doesn't seem to despise the small folk completely like Joffrey.
Sunfyre is considered the most beautiful dragon in that world! So sad to see Aegon takes him to battle regardless that he’s inexperienced! I’m sure Sunfyre thought Aegon is taking him out to have some fun ☹️
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“I don’t wanna see dragons fighting eachother” YOURE WATCHING HOUSE OF THE DRAGON!
I'm so glad you have same opinions about Aegon as me
Aegon was not drinking to have good time he is still grieving his son that is his comping mechanism
Nice try. He’s been a drunk since a teenager. He’s drinking before battle cause his mom and family don’t give a shit about him and he’s stupid.
I don’t doubt he still devastated about the murder of his son but Aegon didn’t start drinking after Jaehaerys death he started when he was like 13
@@MaddieSpencerr Actually he started drinking when he was like 3, when Viserys gave him a coup of wine in the carriage lol
Anyway we explicitely now from the book that he raged and drank (more) as a reaction to Jaehaerys' murder.
You're the first reactor to acknowledge Aegon's misfortune due to the neglect and poor treatment he got from his parents growing up. Aegon is the product of no love & instruction from parents. He is a tragedy.
It was Alicents fault Aegon went to that battle and I hope Aemond walks all over her!
Allicent pushed for Aegon to be king and then tells him to do nothing? She pisses me off now lol
PS. They should have told Aegon.
Something people miss it was Aemond who started mocking Aegon's bravery first this season Aegon invited him on this council meeting he did not have to but he did even Alicent did not wanted him there in ep 3 it was Aemond who laughed at Aegon's bravery then Larys told Aegon that Aemond and Alicent try betray him Aegon got drunk and did what he used to do as teen mocked him in brothel as a revenge for what Larys said and his mocking him on council meeting so it was Aemond who started it this time .
Aegon started it all long before that. Even when they were children and it didn't stop there, but continued throughout. He has felt the consequences of all his own actions here. That's what happens with bullies.
You are btw completely correct that like 60% of why Aegon is the way he is rn is because of AWFUL parenting from his dad and mom and never acting like parents should. No love when it’s needed and no discipline when needed only freedom to do as he wished and then he gets scolded for not being good enough.
Can’t defend a lot of what he has done but the core issue isn’t him it’s both his parents.
Non spoiler book info incoming but zero spoilers.
In the book Aegon is said many times to have the only real close bond in his life be with his Dragon Sunfyre which is said to be the most beautiful dragon in the books. It’s his one real only friends which is super sad and cute and the show cut a lot of their screen time or all of it but we see their connection when Aegon goes to ride Sunfyre.
I love how Daemon’s one good thing is war and that he’s a leader and can inspire or bully other men into great feats and his first goal which is logical is to go to the Riverlands to call on the support of the Tullies and get 40 thousand men.
Instead of that he got stuck in Harenhall being given visions and getting totally weirded out and not able to get anywhere with the army goal so now Rhaenyra’s only real player that is competent enough to change the war in her favour is stuck in Harenhall not being able to do what he’s good at lol.
The funny thing is that almost everething he wanted to do could have worked maybe better than whats happening now
Aemond committed kin slaing and king slaying the worst sins you can commit and he did it on eyes on 1000s soldiers of Aegon's
It is TBA whether aegon is truly dead. The common folk could care less about aemond being a kinslayer in this situation, as this is a dragon civil war, one must die for the other to live, this makes kinslaying acceptable in the eyes of the common folk.
Aegon can't speak high valyrian but taught his dragon english😭
Great reaction I love how you can see good in and evil in both sides
I’ve just rewatched the entire show and now I’m rewatching Sophie’s reaction to it and I have to say: The writing for Aegon this season was gorgeously done! He’s character arc from episode 1 where he’s both excited and super anxious about finally being seen (and hopefully loved) by the realm, to episode 2 when Tom gives us a totally new side of Aegon who despite his many, sometimes irredeemable flaw, is still a human being who loved his little son and is in desperate need of human connection to finally arriving at the broken, humbled Aegon, who after being literally and figuratively burned by his own family flees Kingslanding and consequently his now beloved Throne, now having witnessed first hand that this whole thing is not child’s play and that even kings have to reap the spoils of their actions, and as a STUNNING final writing touch arriving at the conclusion that all he ever wanted was basically TO BE Rhaenyra, to be “The Realms delight” as his sister was once called, chef’s kiss for the conclusion of his season 2 character arc. And I thing it goes without saying that Tom’s acting was in a whole other level this season, the writing was great but he brought SO MUCH more about Aegon to the screen, he made me feel all the feels, he made me laugh, he made me angry and frustrated, he made me cry (multiple times in fact), but most of all he made me understand and be compelled by a character that can be disgusting at times, that’s the beauty of art and acting in particular. I didn’t forget all the horrible things he’s done…but still Tom managed to make many of us feel deeply for him. The acting in the show has been all around great from the very beginning, but personally, while in season one my eyes lit up every time Paddy, Milly and Olivia entered a scene, during season 2 Tom, Emma, Phia and Olivia (again) had me completely hooked! The entire cast honey, but this one’s in particular were the standouts for me. And AS ALWAYS Sophie remains my all time favorite RUclips reactor, you can find reaction channels on every corner of this platform (I feel like many creators see it as just a way to gain traction rapidly), but just like anything in life, there is an art to it and there are always those who truly master it, Sophie is definitely on the top tier for me, aside from being technically great (there’s clearly love being put on the lighting, sound, decor etc), she also has the perfect inherent qualities of a great reactor in her personality: she’s extremely observant, truly curious and interested in what’s she’s watching and most important of all, she’s EXTREMELY emotionally intelligent, which is a quality surprisingly lacking in most reactors despite being essential to a good watching experience on our end as subscribers. Sophie has a huge emotional range and is genuinely capable of detecting, understanding and empathizing with a myriad of different feelings, characters and situations despite her own personal feelings about them, great work Shophie!
All family hated Aegon now when Aemond will be in power they will see how they will miss Aegon
I hope Aemond walks all over the bitter, power grabbing Alicent.
@@morgothsshadow I don't think alicent is power grabbing, I do however believe she's bitter, and she's more at fault for aegons crispy problems than aemond is tbh. Aemond will be a good king, he knows history, he studies past kings and their good qualities and bad, he is skilled with the sword and as such will boost his men's morale, and he has a mind for battle and strategy. He will be able to effectively listen to his council and propose his own ideas. His council will respect him.
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08she is power hungry, she’s literally desperate for regent lol and everyone voted for Aemond .
@@vvthetalentlessduo6976she didn’t want it because she was power hungry, but because she distrusts aemond and suspected him of trying to kill his own brother to become king
@@jamesmackin6397 yea but he is better for war , no matter how you decide, he’s a great strategist in the show when compared to the book.
Aemond is a menace fr , can’t help but like him . Exactly why he’s my second favourite character behind Daemon of course and Aegon is my 3rd favourite.
I don't think it's forbidden to learn High Valyrian if you aren't Targaryen. Remember, Missandei spoke 19 languages including High Valyrian.
"I don't want to see the dragons fight each other."
Ahem...when they said the Dance of Dragons, they didn't mean a ballet.
I simply adore your reactions.
You might not be rooting for Aemond+Vhagar, but you've got to give credit where credit is due: the old lady's got her tactics down and locked. That's twice she's taken out another dragon with a sudden climb and chomp from cover, and it seems to work a treat. The books say that dragons generally prefer to attack from above in a dive, which is why Rhaenys was looking up, not down, when she couldn't see Vhagar after she re-engaged for the second time.
I think it’s getting a bit ridiculous honestly. How many times are they gonna hide the big ass dragon just to show sneak attacks? This can’t be the only tactic used
@@marleymarsssyes, it's already been used
@@marleymarsss It HAS to be. You don't seem to understand thst vhagar is only growing older and slower although bigger. But at a certain age, dragons size actually works as a disadvantage. It can be said thst vhagars physical combative prime was when she was ridden by Laena. This is evident when laena and daemon race with caraxes and vhagar and vhagr can catch up to caraxes speed. However since aemond has attained her, she's only grown weaker in the overall sense of combat
My point is, the sneak attacks are necessary because if vhagar goes headifrst, the enemy dragon could easily just run away and vhagar wouldn't be able to catch up.
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 that’s the thing tho, Meleys met her head on and body slammed her big ass, you telling me the only way she can beat a smaller dragon that faces her head on is by sneak attack? Every time? Lol
@marleymarsss It's the smartest and safest thing to do. If I had vhagar I wouldn't risk the enemy dragon to get away
SoFie: I don't want to see dragons fighting each other. I don't want to see that.
SoFie: Watches a show based on The Dance of The Dragons
It was GREAT. Thank you for your patience 💚
Love your reactions ❤ this episode hurts. Its the way meleys and rhaenys looked at eachother which hurt most 😢
Im soooo glad they included Cole's nickname "The Kingmaker"!!! Such a cool name, he gets it in the book because he is actually the one to convince Aegon to take the throne!
The passage is cool so here it is : "horeover, the prince at first refused to be a part of his mother’s plans. “My sister is the heir, not me,” he says in Eustace’s account. “What sort of brother steals his sister’s birthright?” Only when Ser Criston convinced him that the princess must surely execute him and his brothers should she don the crown did Aegon waver. “Whilst any trueborn Targaryen yet lives, no Strong can ever hope to sit the Iron Throne,” Cole said. “Rhaenyra has no choice but to take your heads if she wishes her bastards to rule after her.” It was this, and only this, that persuaded Aegon to accept the crown that the small council was offering him, insists our gentle septon."
Cole was serving peak Book Cole in this episode, loved him for the first time in a long time!
Edit: your reaction to sunfyre is soooo real
Ironically, what Alicent was look for was right in front her. On the Dagger
Finally someone sees how terrible a parent Alicent is
Yeah not like every other person hasn’t said the same thing lmao
@@immuaddib they haven’t bozo
Aegon was wearing The Conqueror's full Valyrian Steel armor, his exposed skin was burned for sure, however I am speculating that the fall from that great height might have paralyzed him? Not a book reader BTW...
Is there an Award for the biggest hypocrite in Westeros? And the winner is: Alicent Hightower.
Sunfyre landed belly flat protecting his dragonrider as much as possible from the crash landing. Burned for sure, paralyzed maybe.
Unfortunately I've gotten some spoilers from book readers, I think things are about to get insanely messy. Aemond shot his shot tho at least this time it was intent to hit Aegon tho he can say otherwise. I think people forget it's different watching it from the ground at a distance, we saw it straight on cuz that's how it was shot but from different angles way below it may be harder for the people on the ground to view the intent. Cole probably knows tho because he knows Aemond especially after finding Aegon, I certainly think he intended on finishing the job with his sword.
Oh My Sweet Summer child I have been waiting for your reaction to this episode
It's official : Rhaenyra is a real mother, Alicent is nothing but a breeder.
I am not sure if Aegon doesn't know how to speak Valyrian or he just did not know what to say he for sure understood what Aemond said tho
I love how you can see Sunfyre desperately trying to turn over so he doesn’t crush Aegon.
Kingmaker is title given to Criston he crowned Aegon since then he is known as Kingmaker and because he is great soldier
This is the best reaction channel there is she understands the complexity of these characters many of the other reactors are so on the surface. 😢 😊❤
Sofie : I dont want anything to happen to Aegon and Rhaenys... Oh boy. Vagar is so huge... basically unkillable unless you got a ton of ballistas. Daemon basically assassinated Aegon...
Rhaenys going back instead of going back to Dragonstone was such a blunder. Had she left then, Team black could have considered Rook's Rest a victory. Sure, they'd lose the castle, but they'd have taken out a dragon and at least incapacitated Aegon. She could have gone back to dragonstone and came back with another dragon or two to retake rook's rest
Rhaenyse couldnt just fly away and escape with meles. Cause then vagar and aemon would burn the rest of rooks rest and she was sent to protect them
You are very smart woman. No one else has caught the convo (that ive watched so far!) between Larys and Alicent. I caught everything else new rockstars had to breakdown except that!
Yes! (W.o myself having seen ep5 yet so idk if it's already confirmed or what they are doing with) it is believed by the sound of that convo that Larys had little birds in the Sept! Watching it over and over again, I'm completely convinced!
Subbed. Aegon and Aemond are fantastic characters.
"I don't wanna see dragons fight each other."
Then you totally misread the whole premise of this show.
I love your understanding of the themes ..and love your channel ❤
23:57 😆😂 Sofie, my girl, this is the Dance of Dragons. If you didn't want to see dragons fighting each other than you picked the wrong show to watch.
History tells Sunfyre is the most beautiful dragon ever and he is.
Yes, Aemond was totally going to finish off Aegon if Cole hadn't arrived. There was absolutely no other reason for him to have unsheathed his sword.
And thats the only acceptable reaction for sunfyre I waited so long to see my golden Baby and no one is showing him respect The way he is shimmering in the sun Sooo gorgeous 💛🐉
I wholeheartedly enjoy your reactions. Thank you for your content.
By now everyone knows why there are no more dragons in Westeros.
Loved your reaction, Sofie!!!!! 👀👍🏾❤️
thank you for Aegon appreciation! he is one of my favorite characters this season
I think Aemond in the end there had his sword out in case there were any soldiers. And the directors shot it that way to throw some conspiracy in. He was just sheathing the sword I think in that moment. There was no way to break apart the two dragons apart from fire too- now I’m not saying Aemond wasn’t getting payback 👀 But he still considers duty to the Targaryens. So idk if he’d finish him off. People were saying Cole had seen Moondancer last episode too, so Aemond wasn’t aware Meleys would be the dragon there when he told Vhagar to wait… idk idk
As far as I know, there's no restriction on anyone learning High Valerian. If you remember from Game Of Thrones, several mainstream languages in Essos are basically dialects of common Valerian and are sufficiently close to High Valerian that Dani could understand what the Unsullied's slavemaster was saying about her. In Westeros there's not much practical point in anyone learning it unless they're a scholar/maester who wants to read old Valerian texts. Targaryens use it as a kind of flex: it shows that you're sophisticated, well educated and connected to your ancient heritage. it's a bit like an upper-class Englishman casually slipping into French or Latin on the "assumption" that _of course_ you went to as good and expensive a school as he did, didn't you? 🙄
I mean, the Black Council are not entirely wrong. I get why they need to act. Kinda suck that they are not fleshed out and their scenes are just made to be there to be the receiving end of the main characters “witty comeback” and “last words”.
exactly!! i happen to agree with them on most of their scenes, rhaenyra is passive while a war happens, she goes to kings landing alone????? so fcking dumb. The writers cannot convince me her council isnt making sense, no matter how much witty comeback they give to rhaenys, they are mostly right
@@vbb2076 exactly and the way they are framing it is intentional in my opinion. Black Council are made to look like they don't make sense so Rhaenyra not listening to them is a "smart" move. but in green council, there's an entire scene glazing how smart the council is. Thus, Aegon not listening to them is a "dumb" move. They do a lot of parallels between Rhaenyra and Aegon which sometimes I do get and understand.
But most of the time it so obvious that they are trying really hard to sell to the audience what to feel and who side with on certain situations.
"I don't want to see dragons fighting each other " SoFie my dear, it's literally called the "dance of dragons" it might look like air ballet straight out of cirque du soleil. But dragon riders and dragons ripping each others a part in a bloody civil war is kind of the whole purpose of the story. 😅
I couldn’t watch the dragons fighting one another. I kept having to mute their screams. Poor Sunfyre and Meleys. Even Aegon. And of course Rhaenys. Not a fan of poor innocent dragons hurting one another because of a war their riders started.
Alicent wasnt wrong in what she said but there were better ways to go about it. Alicent is such a shitty mom. The contrast between her and rhaenyra as mothers is crazy
RIP Rhaenys and Meleys 😢
Your going to see many dragons fighting, my dear Sofie😂❤buckle up
Everyone can learn Valyrian , im pretty sure the Mester knows valyrian but also the reds priestess. (Those who lives in the town where Tyrion was with varys idk the name)
@09:11 Anyone can learn to speak Valyrian, in fact there is a good chance the Grand Maester sitting at the council table also knew it
The way this fight goes is the only way it COULD go. Rhaenys and Meleys had one job when they set out, rout Cole's army to prevent Rook's Rest from falling to the Blacks. Once Vhagar showed up, parameters changed, they could rout an army 100 times the size Cole currently leads, as long as Vhagar lives, Rook's Rest will fall. Objective changed to kill Aemond and/or Vhagar, at ALL costs, she CAN'T leave without ensuring at least one of them is dead, and once Vhagar injures Meleys, the only safe haven she has within a reasonable flying distance is Dragonstone, meaning she HAS to go over Rook's Rest for the shortest, and consequently fastest, trip; straight into Vhagar's waiting jaws.
Another common Aemond W
Alicent is the worst mother ever, lol.
Alicent is a bad mother but imagine trying to raise children at age 15 while being married to an old man you don't love. Her motherhood is a reflection of Otto using her as a pawn and Alicent herself not having a living mother to provide an example. She loves her kids deeply (wanted to avenge Aemond by maiming another child and stood in front of a dragon when Rhaenys fucked up Aegon's coronation) but she's struggling to transcend the trauma inflicted upon her by Otto and Viserys. Unlike Rhaenyra, she didn't get to choose who to love or have children with.
@@andilezulu292 I agree. I don't deny all characters in HotD are very complex and grey.
@@andilezulu292 Aegon going to that battle was partly her fault. That was cruel the way she talked to her own son. She pretty much called him a nothing! If Alicent doesn't snap out of whatever funk she is in, she's going to lose her children. She's already alienated Aemond, who used to worship the ground she walked on. I don't know is she can fix things between them or not.
@@morgothsshadowhonestly, I'm losing faith in her
@@morgothsshadow But that's the point! This is a tragedy, a story about a family's downfall - no is one going to truly learn or grow, they are all going to see their demise due to fundamental flaws in their characters - whether it's Alicent, Aegon, Rhaenyra or Jace
My issue, how the heck Vhagar could get there without anyone noticing? Vhagar was literally there across the castle lmao
Rhaenys should have been queen. Westeros missed out a great ruler.
Let's not forget Rhanys killed a lot of innocent people on Aegon's coronation for no reason
True, she ain't no saint😂😂😂
Well they were just peasants the dragons never really cared
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Hotd was not set in the democratic modern era where people think plebians’ lives are equal to the patricians. It would be out of character/anachronistic for her to care about the common folks
I really loved the contrast with Alicent and Aegon, and Rhaenyra and Jace, in this episode.
Alicent was only 15/16 when she became a mother, and she only did so out of duty. We have seen how disinterested and trapped she feels in motherhood. Marriage and motherhood destroyed her friendship with Rhaenyra, the only relationship where we didn't see her display signs of anxiety.
She isn't really allowed to see Aegon as just her child. He's a political decision that would have her go against her father's will, or go against the claim of her former best friend. Aegon is the result of the marital rapes that Alicent suffered out of duty. Alicent's relationship to Aegon is seeped in regrets and conflict and trauma. And Viserys seems to be a largely absent father, more a distant grandfather than an actual parent.
Aegon grows up emotionally neglected from a very early age, and we see how he struggles with empathy as a result, and with regulating his emotions.
Even if Alicent was more ready and willing to be a parent later in her life, the damage was already done; and neither her, nor her society, is well-equipped to understand or deal with that damage. I'm sure Alicent feels like a failure as a mother, but I think she also resents Aegon for "resisting" her attempts. She tries to guide him, but it's both too litlle too late, and not at all what he ever needed. Aegon can't listen and learn to make good decisions, because everythimg he does is to fill that gaping hope in his psyche that the neglect left him with. He wants to be consulted as king, because he wants to have worth and to matter, not because he has anything of substance to contribute. All he hears from Alicent's harsh counsel is that he is fundamentally worthless and unloved, as he has always felt; not that he is acting like an entitled brat despite having put in no effort whatsoever, and that he should value and learn from the talents of those around him to become more suited to be king, rather than disregard their counsel for his own impulses.
Alicent is understandably frustrated with Aegon's lack of humility and wisdom in this situation (and no doubt frustrated that he takes for granted what she had to build up by proving herself despite being a woman), but it's the neglect of Viserys and Alicent that left Aegon too emotionally fragile and fractured to be humble and patient, to grow and learn from listening. Aegon is constantly seeking to either numb himself to the void inside, or to fill it with pleasures or validation. He cannot do what Alicent asks of him, so in desperation, he tries to win glory and prove his worth in a reckless way, to his own doom, and Sunfyre's.
[13:12] "Why would you drink something that a freaking weird and strange woman gave you?!?" - What SoFie's last date said when he awoke in a strange hotel room missing his credit cards and his right kidney. 😇👍
Just a side question: does anybody know any reaction channel that is completely Team Green? Would be interesting to see a different perspective as well. Sofie is quite understanding to both sides though, really love her reaction style.
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Aegon while learning valeryian to talk to his dragon 😴😴🥱
Sunfyre force to learn English because aegon didn’t want to learn valeryian 📖😓🧐
Green actors on a different level. Wow
Finally!! Took you to Long 😊
I would bet the Maester speaks at least some Valeryian. And Aemund is waiting for Aegar to die.i think it's clear Alicent is a shit mom. Her sons would be better, otherwise, and Helena would be less fragile.
i aggree with u on the alicent being a bad parent but its important to remember she was a teenager when she had aegon
Yes 100 right on Alicent. As always she just sucks. Didn’t teach him at all AND made him take throne.
Amd yes obviously could be a trap. To bad daemon wasn’t there. Corlys shoulda said. Send atleast 2 dragons. They have more then the greens and still woulda had dragon to protect home.
Most of dragon riders wishes to die fighting with his dragon
[34:42] "Why did it have to happen? Seriously!" [The following is a repost of a rant I made on this already.]
"THIS is the failing of GoT writing. Emotional/relationship issues? Make sense. Political machinations? Make sense. Battle tactics? Cheap plot tricks to fʉkk with the viewer.
Garbage. We saw it in GoT [spoiler]. Remember at Winterfell when they sent the entire Dothraki horde into the darkness to die for _no tactical reason whatsoever_ ? And you were in your chair yelling, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT'S _STUPID_ !!!"?
And in fights, ludicrous stuff happens, for plot finagling and to shock the audience. [spoiler] Where did Arya come from when she went for the night king? _WHERE_ ? It made NO sense. [spoiler] Remember when Euron's fleet was just around the corner so it could kill a remaining dragon with a surprise scorpion? Daenerys couldn't see the entire freakin' fleet from her altitude? Their fleet had no scouts? Huh?
Now, we MUST have a dragon appear from nowhere to end favorite characters. It just has to happen. Why didn't Rhaenys retreat when Aemond went for Aegon instead of her? (Taunting the guy w/ the biggest dragon in the hoarhouse, not such a great idea was it Aegon? See, a LOGICAL emotional/political action.) Let him kill his brother, you ⇒ skedaddle. She's _experienced_ in combat, remember?
No, inexplicably (stupid plot device), she turns back. So she does some damage to Vhagar (nice), and the fight breaks off when Vhagar hits the ground and knocks out Cole (nicer!). _NOW_ skedaddle. Get the heck out of Dodge. She _knows_ she cannot kill Vhagar. She knows she cannot stop the defeat of the castle. So what is the tactical advantage of turning back, _again_ ? There is none. It's stupid, and Rhaenys is anything but stupid.
But the writers are.
This episode was excellence beyond comprehension. Except for two things: sending one dragon, alone, and Rhaenys ending herself on purpose. No excuse for this.
Did none of these writers see Top Gun? "Never leave your wingman!" ?!? How about, "Never enter combat without a wingman?" How about that? Stupid stupid stupid, an insult to the viewers, like [spoiler] Daenarys going Mad King. Stupid."
[I only reposted here, because SoFie's analysis is always excellent, and I feel compelled to make this point about the repeated failures of excellent writers in this one area of GoT, for my own intellectual posterity. If you've played _any_ tactical or strategic video games, the dumbassery for cheap plot manipulation is apparent. But if you were trained as a tactical military pilot, it's just infuriating.
Rhaenys _knew_ it was time to bug out, and report back with vital intel. The writers, not so much.]
It's an American TV show. It has to be written for idiots.
I dont get why they didnt send 2 dragons
"I don't wanna see dragons fighting each other...I don't wanna see that!"
Well, I guess watching a show about the Targaryen civil war, known as the Dance of the Dragons, was probably a poor decision on your part, then.
Some maesters know Valyrian but only those who learn higher mysteries meaning magic so very few
Actually Daemon and Caraxes are the most experienced in terms of battle, rhaenys has never been to war , im not sure what the show is talking about.
Aegon just have sunfyer, and Rhaenys dead is so sad.
Aegon's dragon is Sunfyer the Golden 💛the most beautiful dragon that Targaryens ever possessed and Aegon's bond with him is the strongest in this show tho show never showed it shame on them
Cant watch past "angos meleys" Poor sunfyre and meleys 😭
My favorite episode so far ✌️