It's honestly a pretty simple plot and story. It's just that the dialogue is really verbose and sometimes uses neologisms. At the start when those two guys were talking in front of the TV you could simply say that they were talking about some random apocalyptic event and that gestures are just magic spells from the TV. I can't say if the TV thing is some metaphor or if it's just there because. Either way the real reason to play this is for the music and the looks.
Kyriolexical Dino I just really like the dialogue as it’s how I talk in real life, not to the same extreme but I have a habit of using too many words and unnecessary thesaurus’ing
I think I like the word salad though. I think the odd verbosity adds just as much as the made up words, weird visuals, and funky music. It makes it feel alien, but still somehow captures a feeling of familiarity. What I'm trying to say is I'm really enjoying watching Vinny play this game and I might pick it up myself.
I saw someone in the chat for this stream say that Hylics is just trying to be "quirky" without putting any effort into it. Can someone please explain how making every single room, island, landscape, character, and animation with your own hands out of clay is not putting any effort into it?
I think they mean the writing and not necessarily the presentation. I don't remember much of hylics 1 and haven't watched this video yet, but I distinctly remember a lot of basic concepts like attack and heal having quirky and unusual names just for the sake of it. Then again, if you had a quirky world with moves like "heal" and "attack" then it wouldn't fit the theme.
Its my personal headcannon that Wayne isn't in on all the weirdness. Like he lives in the world so of course he's used to everything but I still like to think his reactions are more towards the "OK...? If you say so, I guess" side rather than "This makes perfect sense".
I like this idea. That explains why his speech patterns sounds more casual (the "Whatevs" he said in the first game always stuck out to me) and different from everyone else. Maybe he has the same understanding of this world as the player does, and just kind of accepts the weird stuff while not being part of it.
It also is in stark contrast to (spoilers) Gibby, who seems to return the formless and word saladness of the world. It seems like Wayne is more of a representation of order, as though the world he lives in is strange, it still has distinct rules.
I feel like this game would be even a weird game for chat to help vinny on. Like for example: "Hey vinny, you missed a flower bungus back around the fountain of gibbus, you know, underneath the statue crying meatsicles"
This isn't really weird though. It's just a different word usage, for example "Vinny, you forgot your car keys under the cupboard in your apartment in new York" did that sound weird? I'd wager not, because the grammatical structure is real English,it's the same for your original sentence, it's just that the vocabulary is a little bit quirky. The original game was a mess though since sentences were randomly generated.
poromer bleb literally means "a small blister made out of a porous polymer" so it's basically a tumor made out of hard stuff. which explains why it gives defense
It's this game's version of Ablative Holopleather. Ablative is a type of armor that works by allowing itself to be eroded away (think heat shield on space shuttle). Holopleather is holographic pleather. Pleather (a portmanteau of the words plastic and leather) is an imitation leather made from, you guessed it, poromeric materials.
That's one of my favorite parts about this game. It completely steered away from being pretentious-artsy-preachy and _seemed_ to go completely Dadaist-silly-nonsense, but even the things that look like haha-random-scrambletext actually make perfect sense.
@@VulpeRenard Agreed. Once you understand what the words mean, the "Things", "Garbs", and "Gestures" makes sense. In fact, those three words are just different ways of saying "items", "clothes/armor", and "actions". It's very simple once you get the hang of it.
Archaic word choices aside, every piece of dialogue Vinny encountered is a coherent sentence that gets consistent information across. And then there's themes that's everywhere, like combat being waged with hand gestures (so there's a glove store and statues of hands in tons of places). I'm amazed at how well put together the world is, having some actual worldbuilding makes the world feel much more real than the meaningless "word salad" stuff it could've devolved into, even if it's abstract and surreal.
So I'm trying to make words happen to describe what I think this game series is and all I can come up with is "Alternate reality English translation of earthbound featuring the music of 90's Beck Hansen suffering a heatstroke". But if I'm to be serious, it's like a stock standard rpg, but you have to already know rpg games to understand it, so it's kinda like playing a videogame that you translated from an alien language I guess. All in all it's super cool how it works as a game.
@@Boamere My favorite reasoning is that [SPOILERS] The reason Hylics 1's NPCs were like that is because of Gibby's influence and after Gibby is resurrected in this game all the NPCs turn into abstract creatures and speak in meaningless garbage piles of words.
The fact that the randomness of the characters’ dialogue is connected to the story is neat too. You explode but vex. Spoiler alert The bad dude (forgot his name) getting revived and turning mostly everyone into weird-ass things that speak randomly like in the first game is pretty awesome. Makes a whole lot more sense now and I especially like how they still made the normal dialogue way too complex haha.
This game actually has a very basic JRPG like plot. The begining is pretty much just "An acient evil was awakened by forbiden magic, go to our ally's kingdom and seek help to fight the evil cult".... but instead it uses weird words like remnant gibbylet, proscribed gestures and NEWMULDUN. Its not like one of those games that you have 40 minutes video essays about the hidden lore and theories about the meaning of stuffs, it is very easy to follow once you get used to the weirdness.
If anything that’s my least favorite part of Hylics. I wish the lore reflected the weird art style but nah. It’s charming but it’s your standard fare plot-wise
@@someone___1240 There actually are a lot of things in the general hylics lore!... but im too lazy to write it down right now :^) But as a quick example, there are other references about this "old era that was cut short by anarchists" that one npc in town mentioned, in hylics 1 Pongorma says he is "a dark knight that served the old empire" and was sealed away in a vault... and im pretty sure there are other things about this "empire", some of them are spoilers so im not gonna talk about it for now. But thats a place where you can start looking into the lore.
@@solomon9655 Thats fair! What I like about Hylics is precisely the contrast between a regular plot and the bizarre abstract visuals. But it would be amazing to see a game from Mason Lindroth that is just full abstract... Something more like crypt worlds maybe.
Wow. I was _not_ expecting this to be full 3D. The fact that they managed to recreate the original game's limited palette in real-time is amazing. Like, it wasn't just a matter of applying a single palette to the screen; different surfaces have different palettes that they remain locked to even as the lighting changes (a good example is how there's green in the game's overall palette but it's only used for greenery). Meanwhile, most games that try to fake a retro style can't even lock themselves to a low resolution properly; they almost always have sprites that break the grid.
The way most shapes are organic and there’s an almost Escher-like vertical squeeze onto one plane makes it so mesmerizing, it had to be difficult to get that right
more often than not, pixel art in video games is a product of time and skill limitations. sure, toby fox *could* have spent a lot of time and energy learning making sure undertale looked and felt just like a super nintendo game... but why? better to get something out the door before your dream goes bust - especially if you're a new developer working on borrowed time. sometimes "done" is the best feature. hylics lives and dies by its presentation. not a fair comparison at all.
Both of these games feel like the creator somehow distilled the essence of dreams and nightmares into video game form. That's really the only way I can think of to describe the visuals and music, it's one of those things where everything just feels so wrong and off, but you accept it anyway.
"Unique and creative" = Anything I like that tries to be different "Pretentious and boring" = Anything I don't like that tries to be different With how the Vinesauce community treats certain games, I can safely assume anyone who's angry at criticism has done the exact same thing to other games.
Pretentious is spamming metaphors and assuming everyone is “smart” enough to understand a deeper meaning behind some bullshit idea crafted by snorting crack
Randomly replacing words with nonsense is pretty pretentious and not very creative, but atleast hylics tries to make a little sense and consistency out of it. There's moments that are very much pretentious but it definitely makes up for it with the rest.
@@milesedgeworth132 You're misunderstanding me, i'm not angry at the criticism, i'm angry at people looking at a product that obviously was made with a ton of love and care and simply dismiss it as "pretentious". It's not that i can't handle when media i enjoy is spoken badly of, but i feel sorry for the devs who put their heartblood into this and get thrown in the gutter for it simply because their creative output employs surreal and nonsensical elements that may be a bit harder to make sense of. And putting my ego aside, i admit, you might be right about the "like-creative/dislike-pretentious" thing. Maybe i even indulged in it myself.
I lost my shit when Vinny shouted that ear shattering “UNLIMITED!!” battle cry at 51:36. There was nothing leading up to it, scaring me and cracking me up at the same time
Weirdly enough, one of the things that I liked the most about this sequel was the Lil' Wayne running during the loading screens, so imagine my surprise when you actually get to play with him during the platformer segments. Seriously though, that minigame alone could have been its own thing and the visuals/music alone would have sold it.
Somehow I feel like at some point Hylics 2 was considered to be a platformer with maybe some light RPG elements but they went for the SMRPG jumpy isometric gameplay with a more classic battle system and made the platforming a minigame instead, in order to not disappoint anyone expecting similar gameplay to its predecessor I would've been fine with either or, honestly; there's a lot you can do with clay enemies and wacky environments even on a 2d plane
So this would be basically what the first three PaperMario games were , the first one estabilished the formula , the second makes several improvements in the estabilished formula and the third one would be the one that is different from the first two having 2d platforming based on the 2d platforming segments of the second game. It would be so bad If they do this and then starts making action-adventure like games with crappy turned based combat that have total focus on clay with generic npcs and clay puns being shoved down in your troat for three games! (Sorry if I'm being rude , I respect everyone that likes these games and Sorry for my shitty english :D)
As someone who wasn't able to watch everything Vinny streamed back in 2015, when everyone wanted him to play "Hylics", I thought it was just a condensed way of saying "Half Life Alyx". I'll neither confirm nor deny whether drugs were involved in this thought process.
I like to think that there's an alternate dimension where everything that appears in Hylics aside from fantasy stuff like Gestures is totally normal and follows the rules of their existence. This game is the equivalent of Dragon Quest where everything is stylised and cartoony but it's still a medieval version of their world's society and the spawn take their cycle off from the entrainment pods so they can go play it when it releases
I never expected there to be a claymation/clay-related game more surreal than The Neverhood. I was wrong. Really impressed by this game, it's weird but seems very interesting.
I’m super impressed to the level of work that had to go into this game, especially to have everything so animated and alive. Also hiring a professional musician and sound artist to do the audio really helped this game.
One thing i love is the atmosphere of the world is like "controlled chaos". It doesn't feel like a consistent world with complete random pieces that throw things off there's a little more explanation to how things work in the world of Hylics.
This visual style unsettles me greatly. Sometimes I see some creatures in a similar style in dreams, and let me tell you, it is the absolute worst experience. I cannot properly convey the emotions of horrific dread those things give me in dream encounters. They don't actually ever do anything bad. I just see them. Once I was in the middle of a town of these things and I was screaming that I didn't want to be there, and some were curiously looking at me and I think one was trying to ask me questions about the reality I was from.
This is kind of interesting, I didn't have this style of nightmares as a kid, my nightmares were in claymation and usually weren't first person, they were me watching videos on a TV and being unable to move, basically funny compilations of claymation objects moving and doing weird stuff like rocket ships and baseball bats moving left and right and increasing in size and cycling through colors inside a small room while a random song plays (as a kid it was very often "grace Kelly" so that song gives me repressed memories lol) and I would always be aware I'm dreaming but I can't move or wake up. As the dream would go on it would slowly start to show snuff, like people crying with bits of their face peeled off and made into clay, or two frame animations of someone's brain exploding. I think that was because I played games like mario 64 and doom before bed and that has a claymation style and also 2 frame gore. Holy shit, I just cracked the code after all these years, doom and mario 64 was when these dreams became most common. Anyway this dream reminds me of that, but because it isn't claymation it doesn't bother me as much. Why does mario 64 give so many kids nightmares??
@@JacobKinsley Probably because they're in 3D and at the time seemed "realistic" in a certain sense. We didn't have as much exposure to 3D artwork and imagery to build the subconscious distinction. Yes, you know it on.a conscious level that it's not real, but it's "more real" than a cartoon or 2D game the same way a live action show or movie is.
The same happens to me!!! I get such a visceral reaction from looking at these visuals... Fear, anger, nausea. I think its a cool game, but the imagery is so close to terrible nightmares i had as a child that i cannot stomach it.
On the topic of the Cave Cineast enemy and how to pronounce its name: "Cineast" comes from the word "cinema" and is a contraction of "cinema enthusiast" (which should give you a guide on how to pronounce it). It's like, Charlie Chaplin days levels of old. Since you learn new gestures from watching TVs in this game, maybe it makes sense that movie fans are one of the more versatile early-game enemies...?
@@Kydino Where do you live? That might have something to do with it. I've never heard it used in America. Maybe I haven't gone to the parts of it where "cineast" is common.
Never saw Hylics 1, but this is really interesting. Surprisingly enjoyable looking, despite being confusing as fuck. Also, 1:05:40 , the whole side-scrolling segment here had a real bop of a song.
I love that the Tyro enemy has a body that makes vague sense while others are incomprehensible amalgamations of flesh. Its the stuff of nightmares and I want them in my house.
07:10 : Yep. This is Hylics alright. And oh man! Like five seconds into the game and I got strong flashbacks to the first game, despite it being years since I saw the stream last.
Since when did Dedusmuln have a sword? And why doesn't he use it? Ah yes, flesh atrophicies are unable to be felt by unmodernized ungestoral harming devices.
In my opinion, it would've made sense for Pongorma to have a sword because he's a prince in full armor looking for a fight and in the first game he had a sword already equipped. Dedusmuln is just an archaeologist looking for paper cups.
@@lanivelez5640 Dedulsman's body is actually from a scrapped character named Fleams(?), who is now just an enemy driving a car. i guess he went from Archaeologist to adventurer finding old and cool(?) stuff oh and Somsnosa got Fleams' head
I think it’s so cool that Hylics 2 seems to be an upgrade to the first one in so many regards. The music is better, the graphics and enemies are more varied and the game as a whole is more comphrehensible while still being the same weird ass game it used to be.
The music and graphics are fantastic, but everything else is an absolute downgrade to the first one. The battle system is repetitive and drags on way too long since all enemies can spawn new ones or heal each other. The 3D-Platform-Overworld doesn't work and let me tell you, not a single RPG has ever gained in quality by adding 3D-Platforming.
Yes, this pageant greatly exacerbates our existence, our condition feels very banana. As expeditious as this pageant reproduced, our flesh stroke towards the vision. We promise you Vinny, may your essence have great skies.
I know you're joking, but want to add a serious response for the people who don't know. Sorry for being a buzz kill. He said it doesn't do anything new and it's too self aware as a Paper Mario tribute game, which others have said as well. He'd rather replay an older Paper Mario game than a reskin of one.
@@ghoulbuster1 They already said, Bug Fables. It's an indie game made to fill the hole of the first 2 Paper Marios, which Nintendo refuses to return to. Basically just TTYD but with Insects instead of Mario characters.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I dont recall him saying any of this, but he definitely said that he was just more interested in Origami King because he likes Mario.
@@Yohoat He said that more recently. But he's talked about it a few times. Might have been during Art Corner or Animal Crossing. But yeah, the biggest reason is "it's not Mario, I want Mario."
I watched it earlier this week in prep. There’s virtually no story. You get acquainted vaguely with the full band and then fight Gibby. The moon then blows up. You’re caught up ;J
Sepecat I’ll tell you one thing: this game series definitely has a style of its own, and that alone can be its selling point! Not even a description is necessary!
19:51 I've tried making tracks that sound like Hylics music before and its both fun and a bit challenging. It can very easily devolve into just being penis music
His reaction to the boss theme was like mine. The game's soundtrack keeps with the theme of "controlled chaos" it's more consistent than the first game's ost which had crazy amounts of charm but here it also fits.
this game is so fucking relaxing to watch. idk if its the combo of the music and claymation and nonsense words but i could probably rely on hylics as a sleep aid in the most positive way
I love this game because what the characters are saying seems meaningless at first but you come to realize that they make sense in the logic of the world they exist in
my headcanon is that the big wayne on top of waynehouse is the one from the first game. i imagine that he grew old and weak, and decided to find a way to multiply himself then train his new copies of himself in hopes that one day one of those waynes would become strong enough to overtake him as the new great wayne-
I find it interesting that this game treats armor like final fantasy tactics, in that using it increases your health as opposed to a dedicated defense stat
The visual style reminds me (in a weird sort of way) of two older RPG Maker games, Middens and Gingiva. That sort of uncomfortable, semi-but-not-quite-photo-realism, but it's all surreal...something that your conscious mind thinks looks really cool, but your 165,000 year old lizard brain says "MMMM I DON'T LIKE THIS"
I’m very glad Vinny started watching Georg Rockall-Schmidt, they’re both a couple of my favorite RUclipsrs. I recommended GRS in an email to Vin back when he was asking for podcasts (this was like. A year or two ago, so I doubt I’m the recommendation that he’s talking about)
This game has the same feeling as a fever dream. That feeling when you're sick and you wake up sweating at 3 in the morning and you can't go back to bed and it feels like nothing is real.
I wonder if Vinny has ever used Joytokey. Every game he plays he's like "my controller doesn't work" The only time joytokey doesn't work is when the game arbitrarily decides on random controller controls and you can't disable them.
the battle music around 31:00 and the victory music after both sound a lot like the little bit that vinny slapped together in the hylics 1 playthrough... i wonder if that was inspired at all
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Vinny, thank you so much for this playthrough and for the kind words about the music. Mason and I really appreciate you! Cheers and HAVE FUN!
Thank you Chuck for this amazing music 💙 never stop doing music please!
Poor feesh, bucket of Salamone
The battle music is a total jam, I'd listen to it just by itself
Great work on all of it my man
The music is so good! You guys did awesome work.
Keep it up, man. You can JAM!
here's to hylics, may its gland endure 1000 years
What a grand gland.
@@Green-Raccoon777 a gland slam if you will
@@Green-Raccoon777 waynestones
@@Green-Raccoon777GLAND DAD!
Hylics dialogue is the definition of “I know these words but not in this order”
You basically summed up my career as an English major.
It's honestly a pretty simple plot and story. It's just that the dialogue is really verbose and sometimes uses neologisms. At the start when those two guys were talking in front of the TV you could simply say that they were talking about some random apocalyptic event and that gestures are just magic spells from the TV.
I can't say if the TV thing is some metaphor or if it's just there because. Either way the real reason to play this is for the music and the looks.
Kyriolexical Dino I just really like the dialogue as it’s how I talk in real life, not to the same extreme but I have a habit of using too many words and unnecessary thesaurus’ing
I think I like the word salad though. I think the odd verbosity adds just as much as the made up words, weird visuals, and funky music. It makes it feel alien, but still somehow captures a feeling of familiarity.
What I'm trying to say is I'm really enjoying watching Vinny play this game and I might pick it up myself.
Sequel is much more comprehensive in that regard xD
I saw someone in the chat for this stream say that Hylics is just trying to be "quirky" without putting any effort into it.
Can someone please explain how making every single room, island, landscape, character, and animation with your own hands out of clay is not putting any effort into it?
People like that are just miserable bastards
People can be dumb sometimes
Vin attracts tons of morons to his chat.
I think they mean the writing and not necessarily the presentation. I don't remember much of hylics 1 and haven't watched this video yet, but I distinctly remember a lot of basic concepts like attack and heal having quirky and unusual names just for the sake of it. Then again, if you had a quirky world with moves like "heal" and "attack" then it wouldn't fit the theme.
PhrozenFox Yeah the game’s story is actually pretty basic for a JRPG if you can translate all the weirdness. The game is still great though
"Bananas is restores Flesh."
-Hylics 2
Its my personal headcannon that Wayne isn't in on all the weirdness. Like he lives in the world so of course he's used to everything but I still like to think his reactions are more towards the "OK...? If you say so, I guess" side rather than "This makes perfect sense".
I like this idea. That explains why his speech patterns sounds more casual (the "Whatevs" he said in the first game always stuck out to me) and different from everyone else. Maybe he has the same understanding of this world as the player does, and just kind of accepts the weird stuff while not being part of it.
wayne is cool imma kiss him
an npc says the most barely coherent confusing string of words and wayne just goes "yeah ok"
It also is in stark contrast to (spoilers)
Gibby, who seems to return the formless and word saladness of the world. It seems like Wayne is more of a representation of order, as though the world he lives in is strange, it still has distinct rules.
A reveal towards the end pretty much confirms this to be the case depending on how you interpret it
I feel like this game would be even a weird game for chat to help vinny on. Like for example:
"Hey vinny, you missed a flower bungus back around the fountain of gibbus, you know, underneath the statue crying meatsicles"
That's what the Buddha thought before becoming enlightened.
Chat is basically the dude in the cave at 30:51 lol
This isn't really weird though. It's just a different word usage, for example "Vinny, you forgot your car keys under the cupboard in your apartment in new York" did that sound weird?
I'd wager not, because the grammatical structure is real English,it's the same for your original sentence, it's just that the vocabulary is a little bit quirky. The original game was a mess though since sentences were randomly generated.
for this game's context, something like "the desert fortress is a great spot to farm for wine, but try not to squeeze it out too fast" would work
"You gotta perpetuate the chummy indignants tenderly in the monolith of the dreary premolar in order to unlock double cheeseburgers, dude"
poromer bleb literally means "a small blister made out of a porous polymer"
so it's basically a tumor made out of hard stuff. which explains why it gives defense
It's this game's version of Ablative Holopleather. Ablative is a type of armor that works by allowing itself to be eroded away (think heat shield on space shuttle). Holopleather is holographic pleather. Pleather (a portmanteau of the words plastic and leather) is an imitation leather made from, you guessed it, poromeric materials.
That’s disgusting, I love that.
That's one of my favorite parts about this game. It completely steered away from being pretentious-artsy-preachy and _seemed_ to go completely Dadaist-silly-nonsense, but even the things that look like haha-random-scrambletext actually make perfect sense.
@@VulpeRenard Agreed. Once you understand what the words mean, the "Things", "Garbs", and "Gestures" makes sense.
In fact, those three words are just different ways of saying "items", "clothes/armor", and "actions". It's very simple once you get the hang of it.
This game feels like it's made by an alien.
"should we have seen hylics 1 to understand this game?"
presuming there was a way to understand hylics 1
Archaic word choices aside, every piece of dialogue Vinny encountered is a coherent sentence that gets consistent information across. And then there's themes that's everywhere, like combat being waged with hand gestures (so there's a glove store and statues of hands in tons of places). I'm amazed at how well put together the world is, having some actual worldbuilding makes the world feel much more real than the meaningless "word salad" stuff it could've devolved into, even if it's abstract and surreal.
So I'm trying to make words happen to describe what I think this game series is and all I can come up with is "Alternate reality English translation of earthbound featuring the music of 90's Beck Hansen suffering a heatstroke". But if I'm to be serious, it's like a stock standard rpg, but you have to already know rpg games to understand it, so it's kinda like playing a videogame that you translated from an alien language I guess. All in all it's super cool how it works as a game.
@@DoitForTheLolz1 a jrpg framework but most of the content was outsourced to aliens.
Hylics 1 actually had randomly generated sentences I'm glad they got rid of that
@@Boamere
My favorite reasoning is that [SPOILERS]
The reason Hylics 1's NPCs were like that is because of Gibby's influence and after Gibby is resurrected in this game all the NPCs turn into abstract creatures and speak in meaningless garbage piles of words.
@@Boamere I thought they were Mars Volta lyrics.
I like that there's no randomly generated sentences in this one, feels more weird with things just about making sense
Boamere I’m glad that Hylics 2 is atleast a little more comphrehensive than the first one
@@alfonshedstrom9859 just you guys wait
There is a good reason behind all that in the game.
It is now consistently weird =)
The fact that the randomness of the characters’ dialogue is connected to the story is neat too. You explode but vex.
Spoiler alert
The bad dude (forgot his name) getting revived and turning mostly everyone into weird-ass things that speak randomly like in the first game is pretty awesome. Makes a whole lot more sense now and I especially like how they still made the normal dialogue way too complex haha.
The battle music gets sexier with wayne's leathery snap
It looks sexier when I see those Cave Cineast enemies dancing lol
i like that even in the sequel wayne still walks like he shit his pants
this is the greatest comment in all of youtube
He also has one hell of a cake
Oh my god I never realized that this is completely accurate until now (coming from experience)
@@GenesisSaturna why did you have to add that last part
@@GenesisSaturnaNot nessesary
now that there are many waynes everybody can make their own waynesona.
Woah
As someone in the official Hylics discord, i can confirm people are doing exactly that
@@magdaluxe_deluxe hi i'm also in the discord, I'm Delta! I made this comment before I was, though. So glad waynesonas caught on.
@@magdaluxe_deluxe THERES A ... DISCORD?!? FOR HYLICS WHAT
yeah it’s on mason lindroth’s twitter
This game actually has a very basic JRPG like plot. The begining is pretty much just "An acient evil was awakened by forbiden magic, go to our ally's kingdom and seek help to fight the evil cult".... but instead it uses weird words like remnant gibbylet, proscribed gestures and NEWMULDUN.
Its not like one of those games that you have 40 minutes video essays about the hidden lore and theories about the meaning of stuffs, it is very easy to follow once you get used to the weirdness.
It’s really interesting how simple it is, though I feel like lore that isn’t connected to the story would be really awesome for this game
If anything that’s my least favorite part of Hylics. I wish the lore reflected the weird art style but nah. It’s charming but it’s your standard fare plot-wise
@@someone___1240 There actually are a lot of things in the general hylics lore!... but im too lazy to write it down right now :^)
But as a quick example, there are other references about this "old era that was cut short by anarchists" that one npc in town mentioned, in hylics 1 Pongorma says he is "a dark knight that served the old empire" and was sealed away in a vault... and im pretty sure there are other things about this "empire", some of them are spoilers so im not gonna talk about it for now. But thats a place where you can start looking into the lore.
@@solomon9655 Thats fair!
What I like about Hylics is precisely the contrast between a regular plot and the bizarre abstract visuals. But it would be amazing to see a game from Mason Lindroth that is just full abstract... Something more like crypt worlds maybe.
Isnt that empire just that gibby was in power in the last game, amd wayne overthrew him
Theres something oddly adorable about a generic rpg story portrayed in a weird wiggly clay world.
yeah!
you can pet the wayne
The airship music is criminally smooth
Are you sure it’s not smoothly criminal?
Chuck Salamone hey its the dude who made the music! What up!
@@chuck_salamone I LOVE the music, so fucking good
it reminds me of pilotwings 64
I've waited so long for this playthrough, may its gland endure 1000 years!
Wow. I was _not_ expecting this to be full 3D. The fact that they managed to recreate the original game's limited palette in real-time is amazing. Like, it wasn't just a matter of applying a single palette to the screen; different surfaces have different palettes that they remain locked to even as the lighting changes (a good example is how there's green in the game's overall palette but it's only used for greenery).
Meanwhile, most games that try to fake a retro style can't even lock themselves to a low resolution properly; they almost always have sprites that break the grid.
The way most shapes are organic and there’s an almost Escher-like vertical squeeze onto one plane makes it so mesmerizing, it had to be difficult to get that right
more often than not, pixel art in video games is a product of time and skill limitations. sure, toby fox *could* have spent a lot of time and energy learning making sure undertale looked and felt just like a super nintendo game... but why? better to get something out the door before your dream goes bust - especially if you're a new developer working on borrowed time. sometimes "done" is the best feature. hylics lives and dies by its presentation. not a fair comparison at all.
Both of these games feel like the creator somehow distilled the essence of dreams and nightmares into video game form. That's really the only way I can think of to describe the visuals and music, it's one of those things where everything just feels so wrong and off, but you accept it anyway.
Gotta love it when people call unique and creative things "pretentious".
"Unique and creative" = Anything I like that tries to be different
"Pretentious and boring" = Anything I don't like that tries to be different
With how the Vinesauce community treats certain games, I can safely assume anyone who's angry at criticism has done the exact same thing to other games.
Pretentious is spamming metaphors and assuming everyone is “smart” enough to understand a deeper meaning behind some bullshit idea crafted by snorting crack
Randomly replacing words with nonsense is pretty pretentious and not very creative, but atleast hylics tries to make a little sense and consistency out of it. There's moments that are very much pretentious but it definitely makes up for it with the rest.
people just don't know how to chill the fuck out and enjoy absurdity. not everything needs to be explained
@@milesedgeworth132 You're misunderstanding me, i'm not angry at the criticism, i'm angry at people looking at a product that obviously was made with a ton of love and care and simply dismiss it as "pretentious". It's not that i can't handle when media i enjoy is spoken badly of, but i feel sorry for the devs who put their heartblood into this and get thrown in the gutter for it simply because their creative output employs surreal and nonsensical elements that may be a bit harder to make sense of.
And putting my ego aside, i admit, you might be right about the "like-creative/dislike-pretentious" thing.
Maybe i even indulged in it myself.
so insane how vinny now voices wayne hylics in the musical lmfao
I lost my shit when Vinny shouted that ear shattering “UNLIMITED!!” battle cry at 51:36. There was nothing leading up to it, scaring me and cracking me up at the same time
LMAO yeah, so many of his jokes and Vinny™ noises come very suddenly and out of nowhere and i adore it
Weirdly enough, one of the things that I liked the most about this sequel was the Lil' Wayne running during the loading screens, so imagine my surprise when you actually get to play with him during the platformer segments.
Seriously though, that minigame alone could have been its own thing and the visuals/music alone would have sold it.
Somehow I feel like at some point Hylics 2 was considered to be a platformer with maybe some light RPG elements but they went for the SMRPG jumpy isometric gameplay with a more classic battle system and made the platforming a minigame instead, in order to not disappoint anyone expecting similar gameplay to its predecessor
I would've been fine with either or, honestly; there's a lot you can do with clay enemies and wacky environments even on a 2d plane
So this would be basically what the first three PaperMario games were , the first one estabilished the formula , the second makes several improvements in the estabilished formula and the third one would be the one that is different from the first two having 2d platforming based on the 2d platforming segments of the second game. It would be so bad If they do this and then starts making action-adventure like games with crappy turned based combat that have total focus on clay with generic npcs and clay puns being shoved down in your troat for three games! (Sorry if I'm being rude , I respect everyone that likes these games and Sorry for my shitty english :D)
I actually really like the music and i think it's way more "melodic" than in the first game.
How can anyone get Vinny and Joel mixed up? Joel is the funni swedish metal man and Vinny is the chill Indie Rock Jabroni.
Remember when Vinny said GRAND DAD?
@@PhrozenFox heheh yeah (:
@@PhrozenFox good times
Joel = PewDiePie
Vinny = Ninja
@@sonicplys64 no
Hey Vinny remember when Little Wayne cut the line at Burger King and you suplexed him?
I love how every time someone mentions this story it changes
I thought that was little eyes?
I thought it was MC Hammer and Vinny pulled down his Hammer Pants
...you said, with a posed look?
(peace, peace)
@@WorldsRichestLesbian It's a quantum story
As someone who wasn't able to watch everything Vinny streamed back in 2015, when everyone wanted him to play "Hylics", I thought it was just a condensed way of saying "Half Life Alyx". I'll neither confirm nor deny whether drugs were involved in this thought process.
Ooh, there's an idea: a Hylics fangame full of Vinesauce injokes called "Hylics: The Code".
made a tiny clay wayne while watching this
Me too
@@ablancer3582me three
I like to think that there's an alternate dimension where everything that appears in Hylics aside from fantasy stuff like Gestures is totally normal and follows the rules of their existence. This game is the equivalent of Dragon Quest where everything is stylised and cartoony but it's still a medieval version of their world's society and the spawn take their cycle off from the entrainment pods so they can go play it when it releases
Its so cool that Vinny is pretty much the official voice for Wayne now. Its like the Wayne in game is commentating on everything
I'd love to see someone animate some clips of Vinny's playthroughs, where it's Wayne who is commentating.
I never expected there to be a claymation/clay-related game more surreal than The Neverhood. I was wrong.
Really impressed by this game, it's weird but seems very interesting.
I’m super impressed to the level of work that had to go into this game, especially to have everything so animated and alive. Also hiring a professional musician and sound artist to do the audio really helped this game.
One thing i love is the atmosphere of the world is like "controlled chaos". It doesn't feel like a consistent world with complete random pieces that throw things off there's a little more explanation to how things work in the world of Hylics.
This visual style unsettles me greatly. Sometimes I see some creatures in a similar style in dreams, and let me tell you, it is the absolute worst experience. I cannot properly convey the emotions of horrific dread those things give me in dream encounters.
They don't actually ever do anything bad. I just see them. Once I was in the middle of a town of these things and I was screaming that I didn't want to be there, and some were curiously looking at me and I think one was trying to ask me questions about the reality I was from.
just imagine mason lindroth sculpting them and moving them around for hours in his room sweaty and it will break the illusion
This is kind of interesting, I didn't have this style of nightmares as a kid, my nightmares were in claymation and usually weren't first person, they were me watching videos on a TV and being unable to move, basically funny compilations of claymation objects moving and doing weird stuff like rocket ships and baseball bats moving left and right and increasing in size and cycling through colors inside a small room while a random song plays (as a kid it was very often "grace Kelly" so that song gives me repressed memories lol) and I would always be aware I'm dreaming but I can't move or wake up. As the dream would go on it would slowly start to show snuff, like people crying with bits of their face peeled off and made into clay, or two frame animations of someone's brain exploding. I think that was because I played games like mario 64 and doom before bed and that has a claymation style and also 2 frame gore. Holy shit, I just cracked the code after all these years, doom and mario 64 was when these dreams became most common. Anyway this dream reminds me of that, but because it isn't claymation it doesn't bother me as much.
Why does mario 64 give so many kids nightmares??
@@JacobKinsley Probably because they're in 3D and at the time seemed "realistic" in a certain sense. We didn't have as much exposure to 3D artwork and imagery to build the subconscious distinction. Yes, you know it on.a conscious level that it's not real, but it's "more real" than a cartoon or 2D game the same way a live action show or movie is.
Well its art since it got an emotional reponse out of you
The same happens to me!!! I get such a visceral reaction from looking at these visuals... Fear, anger, nausea.
I think its a cool game, but the imagery is so close to terrible nightmares i had as a child that i cannot stomach it.
On the topic of the Cave Cineast enemy and how to pronounce its name: "Cineast" comes from the word "cinema" and is a contraction of "cinema enthusiast" (which should give you a guide on how to pronounce it). It's like, Charlie Chaplin days levels of old. Since you learn new gestures from watching TVs in this game, maybe it makes sense that movie fans are one of the more versatile early-game enemies...?
Is cineast that uncommon of a word? I got that the moment I read the sentence.
@@Kydino think of how many times you've seen people casually drop cineast over movie buff in recent years, it doesn't seem common at all.
@@Kydino Where do you live? That might have something to do with it. I've never heard it used in America. Maybe I haven't gone to the parts of it where "cineast" is common.
There's the word "Cineasta" in portuguese which basically means Film Director.
So, judging by the name, it just sits in a cave and watches films all day?
Never saw Hylics 1, but this is really interesting. Surprisingly enjoyable looking, despite being confusing as fuck.
Also, 1:05:40 , the whole side-scrolling segment here had a real bop of a song.
go watch the stream, its amazing
or play the game like a real gamer
You could say that the music is the real hylics of this stream
The song in the side-scrolling segment is called "Xeno Arcadia" and it's one of the biggest bops of the year for me so far.
First time I heard it I immediately had to look it up, its so good
what a cool little character
Vinny like prog rock? And he seriously didn't think he would immediately be into this game? A prog rock fan? Lmao he didn't stand a chance.
I love that the Tyro enemy has a body that makes vague sense while others are incomprehensible amalgamations of flesh. Its the stuff of nightmares and I want them in my house.
I’ve just been waiting for Vinny to hear 2’s soundtrack
OST is on RUclips and I love it
Honestly, same.
@@chuck_salamone Holy shit! You nailed it so fucking hard here. It's glorious.
I need more of this music in my life.
07:10 : Yep. This is Hylics alright.
And oh man! Like five seconds into the game and I got strong flashbacks to the first game, despite it being years since I saw the stream last.
Since when did Dedusmuln have a sword? And why doesn't he use it?
Ah yes, flesh atrophicies are unable to be felt by unmodernized ungestoral harming devices.
In my opinion, it would've made sense for Pongorma to have a sword because he's a prince in full armor looking for a fight and in the first game he had a sword already equipped. Dedusmuln is just an archaeologist looking for paper cups.
@@lanivelez5640 Dedulsman's body is actually from a scrapped character named Fleams(?), who is now just an enemy driving a car. i guess he went from Archaeologist to adventurer finding old and cool(?) stuff
oh and Somsnosa got Fleams' head
Because you attack by snapping, duh
@@filedeletefelix I like to think that Dedusmuln just stole Fleam’s armor, thinking it was some cool artifact
I audibly yelled when I saw the “2” in the title
Same dude. I was like "oh okay I mean I guess I'll watch the hylics stream again". Then I saw the "2"
I think it’s so cool that Hylics 2 seems to be an upgrade to the first one in so many regards. The music is better, the graphics and enemies are more varied and the game as a whole is more comphrehensible while still being the same weird ass game it used to be.
The music and graphics are fantastic, but everything else is an absolute downgrade to the first one.
The battle system is repetitive and drags on way too long since all enemies can spawn new ones or heal each other.
The 3D-Platform-Overworld doesn't work and let me tell you, not a single RPG has ever gained in quality by adding 3D-Platforming.
This is the kind of game that will decalcify your pineal gland and force your third eye wide open.
"This Pleather Gage is really good.... but I really want that Organ Fort!"
Yes, this pageant greatly exacerbates our existence, our condition feels very banana.
As expeditious as this pageant reproduced, our flesh stroke towards the vision.
We promise you Vinny, may your essence have great skies.
yep
@@cibo889 Well that's troublesome, what makes you feel that way?
May his glad endure 1,000 years
1:01
“I was waiting for the bugs to be ironed out.”
Ooooh.
Oh no.
That’s why he won’t stream Bug Fables.
I know you're joking, but want to add a serious response for the people who don't know. Sorry for being a buzz kill.
He said it doesn't do anything new and it's too self aware as a Paper Mario tribute game, which others have said as well. He'd rather replay an older Paper Mario game than a reskin of one.
@@ghoulbuster1
They already said, Bug Fables.
It's an indie game made to fill the hole of the first 2 Paper Marios, which Nintendo refuses to return to.
Basically just TTYD but with Insects instead of Mario characters.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I dont recall him saying any of this, but he definitely said that he was just more interested in Origami King because he likes Mario.
Haha buzz kill, because we will never see binty play bumble bee videogame
@@Yohoat He said that more recently. But he's talked about it a few times. Might have been during Art Corner or Animal Crossing. But yeah, the biggest reason is "it's not Mario, I want Mario."
Never been so early for something holy shit
Keep the work binyot
this game is so incredibly charming
i dont even like playing RPGs but i bought this game and the first one without even thinking
If u like this a reccomend u check out dujanah! Its not as claymation heavy but has a similar vibe to hylics
Never seen his Hylics 1 stream; but considering Vinny, I may be just as in the dark as he is.
I watched it earlier this week in prep. There’s virtually no story. You get acquainted vaguely with the full band and then fight Gibby. The moon then blows up. You’re caught up ;J
Sepecat
I’ll tell you one thing: this game series definitely has a style of its own, and that alone can be its selling point! Not even a description is necessary!
Bilateral
Well, there may be some important points to look at in the first that’s detrimental for the sec- Wait! HOLD UP! WHAT THE FUCK!?!
Bilateral
After watching Part 3, I now disavow my own confusion! Yes, after all the weirdness of Hylics, that part made sense.
This game's atmosphere is fantastic man.
Another year another rewatch of this playthrough
Let's all love Wayne!
PRESENT DAY
PRESENT TIME
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
ME AND MY HOMIES ALL LOVE WAYNE
Wayning moon gestures his welcome to the glorious gland Vinny
Wayne's World 2 looks alot different than what I remember.
This game never ceases to amaze me. Makes me feel like I just got hay fever and ate a block of cheese.
44:17 I thought we was about to get all Persona up in here.
This whole game is amazing and the platforming part weirdly reminded me of Dr. Seuss’s paintings?
Never thought of that. Good comparison
19:51 I've tried making tracks that sound like Hylics music before and its both fun and a bit challenging. It can very easily devolve into just being penis music
The music in this game is absolutely excellent. What an incredible soundtrack 😫
His reaction to the boss theme was like mine. The game's soundtrack keeps with the theme of "controlled chaos" it's more consistent than the first game's ost which had crazy amounts of charm but here it also fits.
does vinny know that hylics 2 is out?
no
I dont think so
No. Sadly. At least we got lyhics owt
Once you get Charge, Foam Armor becomes insanely good
stolen pfp...
This game is just a playable Father John Misty album
The last one was a playable Mars Volta album.
this game is so fucking relaxing to watch. idk if its the combo of the music and claymation and nonsense words but i could probably rely on hylics as a sleep aid in the most positive way
re-watching this high is such a great feelgn
Flesh sliding off bone like Wayne's face when Wayne finally wanes
Somewhat strange to see Hylics with whole sentences and metered music. I like it.
SO excited to watch him play this :)
Watching this while stoned somehow makes me feel like everything in this game makes sense
12:05 because this is obviously Wayne’s world
Excellent!
I love this game because what the characters are saying seems meaningless at first but you come to realize that they make sense in the logic of the world they exist in
This game makes me
want to create something
cool out of clay!
...Even though I've never tried to before...
clay is really fun!! I’d recommend it, even if you don’t know where to start, just play around and make simple shapes!
@@blekiscooler I think I'll make a little bug critter out of clay! He will look like a grasshopper and have a little acorn cap hat.
oh perfect, i just finished watching the hylics 1 streams a couple days ago and was hoping for exactly this!
This is awesome
I love that I can understand whats happening through all the weird
Beyond the technical issues at the start this series has been my comfort audio for a couple years now
my headcanon is that the big wayne on top of waynehouse is the one from the first game. i imagine that he grew old and weak, and decided to find a way to multiply himself then train his new copies of himself in hopes that one day one of those waynes would become strong enough to overtake him as the new great wayne-
18:26 RIP unhardened Wayne larva
vinny sounded different the last time we where here,
i think, we where ALL different the last time vinny was here.
First thing I thought of this game is Neverhood on acid
It is very Neverhood. I guess claymation is just a good medium for surreal scifi
The creators of Neverhood were DEFINITELY on some stick-icky, just like the creator of Hylics are DEFINITELY taking some hard shit.
lol
me: I wonder if Hylics 2 is out yet, i love hylics, im listening to the ost every day
hylics 2: has been out for two years
You been locked up in your house for centuries like Pongorma, bro
I find it interesting that this game treats armor like final fantasy tactics, in that using it increases your health as opposed to a dedicated defense stat
This playthrough is what got me into Vinesuace
i just finished hylics 1 this week for the first time so that i could play the sequel and im so glad vinny seems to be enjoying it too
Me: *sees Hylics 2 (PART 1)
Also me: *M. Bison screaming Yes*
you have no idea how long i've waited for this to release and for vinny to play it
The oobleck trampoline glitch adds to the experience
The visual style reminds me (in a weird sort of way) of two older RPG Maker games, Middens and Gingiva. That sort of uncomfortable, semi-but-not-quite-photo-realism, but it's all surreal...something that your conscious mind thinks looks really cool, but your 165,000 year old lizard brain says "MMMM I DON'T LIKE THIS"
I was getting those same vibes too. The vague sense of peril and not having much of a clue how the world functions is something shared too.
the original was an rpg maker game
The visuals just feel Yume Nikki but with less of the creepy dream feel
binny blease play high licks 2
dreeb we need borgor
I’m very glad Vinny started watching Georg Rockall-Schmidt, they’re both a couple of my favorite RUclipsrs. I recommended GRS in an email to Vin back when he was asking for podcasts (this was like. A year or two ago, so I doubt I’m the recommendation that he’s talking about)
Apparently Waynes are born from like larvas.
Game called Hylics, created by Pneumatics for Psychics to enjoy.
The time has come
And so have I
This game has the same feeling as a fever dream. That feeling when you're sick and you wake up sweating at 3 in the morning and you can't go back to bed and it feels like nothing is real.
This just exactly described my feelings
Really glad vin is playing the sequel. Hylics is just the perfect type of weird, and you can tell a ton of effort went into the levels and animation.
I wonder if Vinny has ever used Joytokey. Every game he plays he's like "my controller doesn't work"
The only time joytokey doesn't work is when the game arbitrarily decides on random controller controls and you can't disable them.
the battle music around 31:00 and the victory music after both sound a lot like the little bit that vinny slapped together in the hylics 1 playthrough... i wonder if that was inspired at all