@@naikhanomtom7552 honestly any of them. I started listening to his stuff from 2-3y ago, mostly talks with dr. Jordan Peterson. Sadly I can’t remember any specific ones :/
I was a Roman Catholic scholar and became Orthodox. The backlash was immense, but it was the single greatest gift of my life, and I have a beautiful family so I don't toss that claim around lightly. There is nothing even close to Orthodoxy, and there is exactly one, visible, shining church for all of us to accept or reject. Let's make this decision solemnly, because our eternal soul hangs in the balance.
@@luciobrazil007 Orthodoxy is perfect. Unity is in theology in Orthodoxy. Unity is in political submission in RCism. Anyone can avoid theology and with an open heart and exposure to Orthodoxy accept it as the one true church, just as all saints did. However, the flaws with Romanism are innumerable: Papalism says one person is supreme, indefectible, universal, and infallible, yet this didn't crop up in dogma until as late as the 19th century... why isn't there a whiff of this in any conciliar document or patristic teaching? Flowery language and word-concept fallacy does not count, but even those things are not conciliar. The discord between Western Orthodoxy, pre-scholastic Romanism, post-scholastic Romanism, V1 Romanism, V2 Romanism is insane. We were taught holes in the narrative pretty openly-- we were taught to live in cognitive dissonance. Created Grace and Absolute Divine Simplicity are evil dogmas. Immaculate Conception destroys our anthropology. There were massive transformations in RC spirituality starting exactly in the 11th century: stigmata, female saints with sexual hysteria, imaginative prayer, body part worship, so on, so forth. Completely alien to the Orthodox West of the first 1000 years. Now, to hold onto a failed faith, people are driven to schizophrenia, seeing things, appealing to prophecy, spell-casting (like trying to cast a spell on Russia-- completely insane, completely alien to Christian life at any point since Christ was born... yet well known to pagans), appealing to "rigor on divorce on contraception) even though *post schism Roman Catholicism* spent *300-800 years* without these new doctrines of Schrodinger's marriage (since an annulment means you were never married, you'll have to wait til death to know if you were) and no-contraception-but-somehow-NFP-isn't-contraception (which is openly denied by canons and the universal voice of the Fathers *even in the West.*) I was gypped. I know how the RC church manipulates, coerces, and shames. I blessedly never was treated badly myself, but I see it in others, and I know my own cognitive dissonance I had to work through. There are millions of people who don't understand there is an alternative. They think it is RCism, Protestantism (prima facie a joke, if well-intentioned at times), or paganism/nihilism. This is not true: the church is alive, and you are part of a conditioning program to keep your mind focused on Protestantism as the only alternative to Papism. Check out the Ubi Petrus channel, the highest quality channel answering Roman Catholicism, Jay Dyer and David Erhan, two other great lecturers on youtube, and the intro scholarly literature: Denny, Siecienski, Guettee, Papadakis. God bless you!
@@luciobrazil007 How do you live a good holy life without the sacraments, theosis, or worshipping the true God? Roman Catholics are bound by dogma to worship a monad, and they lack all true sacraments. Common grace works everywhere, even in pagan lands, and some of those people whose hearts are aligned towards Orthodoxy even despite what's demanded from them may by God's mercy be saved. I certainly hope so. But it's clear that the path is narrow, and the sacraments are the greatest tools we have to work to salvation. We should reject heresy and pursue real sacraments if we want a great chance. Those that are ignorant have an excuse, but few are ignorant in this Google era.
@@MRizzio You're welcome! Some time ago l watched an interview with her daughter which is biracial and was talking about all the struggles she had because although she is so similar to Ertha she's white. They were both at South Africa during apartheid and the authorities didn't let her mother join a group for a safari. As a little girl she was got upset and this is when Ertha spoke those words of wisdom to her. After a while they understood who she was and let her join if I'm not mistaken.
Thank you! Great interview with Jonathan Pageau. He carved a cross for our son when he became a priest. He does beautiful work, God has richly blessed him.
I needed this video today because I’m at this point where I need to slow down and think about all I’ve learned in 61/2 months. Wow, It was life changing for me! I’m still in shocked as to why I’ve never heard of Orthodoxy. Thanks for the encouraging words!
I think we share similar timelines, although I come from a non-Christian (anti-Christian maybe) background. Christ officially entered my life 8 months ago and I found out about Orthodoxy about the same time you did. And the whole thing still feels surreal in every way.
@@Bb-pw1zi I hear you but definitely has not been my experience. Maybe it’s different in rural areaa like where I live. Incredibly welcoming to this Protestant convert.
@@Bb-pw1zi my wife and I joined a ROCOR parish a couple of years ago and have felt at home from the beginning. And we are not Russian. I would encourage you to take another look. As to the Scriptures, you must consider that Christ’s Church existed before the New Testament was written. The Bible can only be understood and interpreted through the Church which wrote it.
@@Bb-pw1zi my friend, I understand the language issue. Did you have an opportunity to speak with the priest? As to the Bible, I live in the Southern US and there are thousands of Protestants who believe they have the correct view of Scriptures. Mr. Eckhart is just one more person with his own unique view. I will stick with the Orthodox Church’s interpretation, since it’s Saint wrote it.
As someone who had Catholic and Protestant family members but atheist parents, I had absolutely no interest in church or religion as a kid. As I got older, I started having a sense of needing something and due to my preconceptions on Christianity, I ended up following and researching various new age and occult philosophies. I'd never even heard of orthodox Christianity before discovering Jonathan last month and I can't stop reading about it.
We have a very similar story. Also a Protestant and a Catholic side in the family. Parent stoped going to church in their teens, didn’t become full blown atheist however. Searched a lot in my late teens. I discovered Jonathan through the work of Jordan Peterson. First went to a Protestant church since Orthodoxy isn’t common place here. Now I’m a waiting to be received into an Orthodox Parish. It has had a great impact already like Jonathan said it feels like a slow Theophany. With many falls and getting back up again of course.
I agree that Orthodoxy makes nothing easy - but that's part of what I love about it. Being new to the church either requires patience or a willingness to engage with the community for guidance- or both - and all of these help with spiritual growth. Trying to follow God & walk in his light and to do our best to be less sinful is also not easy. Nobody said it's easy - just that it's worth it.
0:37 Artist Johnathan Pageau 1:00 Icon Carver Johnathan Pageau 1:25 The Stories, The Patterns, Sink In, Into Johnathan Pageau’s Life 2:08 Slow Theophany 2:26 Seeing What I Hadn’t Seen Before 2:42 Personal Trust In God Grows 3:07 Seeing More Light 💡 In The World ❤️☦️🙏🏼 3:35 There is a 1st Barrier: Orthodoxy is Counter-Cultural to our 2010s-2020s American 🇺🇸 🇨🇦Culture 5:18 Knowing we fall short, but slowly move into this Life. It’s a Lifelong Journey, you Slowly Emerge Into It. *Miracles* 6:13 Strange, Little. 6:33 “I never decided I was going to be an Icon Carver… It really happened to me. Circumstances set themselves up around me.” 7:20 It was amazing to see God Takes Care of His Children. 7:44 “3 times people gave us cars 🚗 🚗 🚗 .” “I receive checks in the mail 📬from people I don’t know.” 8:40 Miracles over and over🏜️ ☦️❤️ 9:56 Putting oneself in positions of need.
My husband and I have experienced these small miracles of provision as we have changed the way we live. Our job situations changed drastically just before the pandemic began, and we work more in service to others than we ever did before. It was not really a choice to change jobs, exactly. It was as if God planned it that way. Since then, His provision has been timely and amazing.
Thankyou for these videos. As someone who has found myself drawn to Orthodoxy very recently, these messages are so relevant and are really inspiring me to continue making the first steps on my journey. God Bless you.
“I think that the most significant thing orthodoxy has brought to me, as someone who lived as; my whole life knowing that in someway I would be an artist somehow, and struggling with that in my school and actually throwing all my art away and turning away from art after art college because the contemporary art world is too nuts.” I can relate so much
I needed this. Thank you for this video. I'd love to see more videos featuring Jonathan on this channel. He introduced me to Orthodoxy and I can see how after I started going to church (an Orthodox parish 1 hour away from home), on January this year, every Sunday my life has been improving so immensely. Truly, miracles have happened to me ever since I started attending the liturgy.
Great testimony, so humble, so honest! Yes, you can find God - or better said: He finds you! - even in being an Icon carver! God bless you and your family, Jonathan Pageau!
Loved your words on miracles. My wife and I have experienced the same situations where put ourselves in places that did not seem “safe”, but managed to get exactly what we needed when we needed it. JBP brought me to Jonathan and Jonathan is pushing me towards Orthodoxy.
I laughed out loud when Jonathan spoke of multiple miracles he experienced in the past and yet he still doubts at times. All the head thoughts of being ruined, my kids will starve, etc. Oh my, yes! Have SEEN God do so many, many miracles for us over 40 years and yet also go into panic over the "what will we wear, drink, eat"...silly stuff. The Lord knows you need them and has never once failed us.
+1 for @@Kevin-kc1xg 's response...also, try to stay away from internet Orthodoxy (reading resources online is fine, but social media Orthodoxy (including RUclips comment sections(!)) should be avoided!) May God continue to guide your steps!🙏
I'd highly recommend "Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy" by Fr Andrew Stephen Damick for big picture theology or Orthodox Ethos for shorter clips & answers to common Qs
Try reading the new testament guided by patristic fathers. For example Saint tihon zadonski, etc. And simple spiritual books understanding the basics of the faith.
Definitely. I am a Greek Othodox, if you follow step by step orthodoxy, your eyes will open to the Truth of Jesus Christ and your heart will fill by the grace of Holy Spirit. It is not an easy way but it s the only way to the salvation of your soul!
I'm living in a predominately Orthodox country. There is an appeal, but it seems like a big step from Anglican, especially due to the language differences.
My question is this, I understand that the Saints that came before us are not dead. I understand that they are present with the Lord. And I even understand that they are praying for us, and I thank God for their prayers. So when it comes to intercession of the Saints, I can see asking a Saint to pray for me. But I don’t quite get praying to them. For instance prayers to Mary, sometimes will say things like; “ My Queen, My Mother, I offer myself entirely to thee. And to show my devotion to thee, I offer thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve. Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession. Amen.” This just comes off as more than veneration. I could be totally wrong. But where I am going with this, is in order to be a part of the Orthodox Church, do I have to pray to Mary and or other Saints in this nature? Thank you so much, as I have tried to ask others this question and I cannot seem to get an answer. So I hope that you or anyone can help. Again, may God bless you.
Thanks for your question, brother! Here are a couple of thoughts, fwiw: 1) The prayer that you reference (as an aside, I'd appreciate knowing what translation this is(!)) can absolutely be prayed in such a way that does not cause theological problems. As with many of the prayers and hymns of the Church, they are firstly expressions of the heart (and this point is actually incredibly important...but it takes being Orthodox awhile to truly appreciate it...it has been said that the veneration of the Theotokos is one of the mysteries of the Church, and can therefore only be appreciated within the life of the Church...which brings me to the bigger point). 2) When asked, I am wont to tell catechumens that they should not become Orthodox until they're able to say (something like): "I believe that the Orthodox Church is the one holy body of Christ, the pillar and foundation of the truth, and that the life and traditions of the Church are gifts of the Holy Spirit and as such non-negotiable. If I don't understand (or feel uncomfortable about) some aspect of the Church (such as the veneration of icons, relics, the Saints, etc.) then it is not a problem with the Church, but the result of a lack of understanding on my part, and I will accept and live these traditions with the conviction that I will eventually understand and love them." I appreciate your concern (I was a Protestant once myself!), but the problem with not approaching Orthodoxy with this attitude is that one will come into the Church with the Protestant mindset that the conviction of the individual believer is ultimately above the authority and tradition of the Church. Unless this approach changes, the best case scenario is that the believer's spiritual life will be undermined by their individualism and trust in themself, and in the worst case scenario, they will end up leaving the Church (which I've seen far too many times). The best (and really only true) way is to enter as a child, with an open heart and mind to fulfill St. Paul's words, "do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." It is not possible to have a spiritual life without learning obedience...and obedience often requires the crucifying of one's mind (to use Fr. Seraphim Rose's expression).
I'm a protestant. After listening to Jonathan I kind of understand what the appeal of ortodoxy is, but after visiting the actual worship service, it seems so distant and confusing. Everthing is symbolic, images, robes even songs and words. It seems that I need to probably study few years in some courses before I would able to apreciate the ortodox service. Its so difficult to get into it with modern mind. Is this inentional - to raise the bar for new entrants so high, that very few people can actually connect with it. Why not use actual language we speak, instead of using some ancient words and forgotten symbols.
Thanks for taking the time to comment! I appreciate your concern…but I’d encourage you to look at Orthodox Christianity from a different perspective. I don’t think you need to spend years studying and taking courses in Orthodoxy, you primarily need to change your perspective (and if you don’t know how, begin by simply trying to recognize the ways in which your modern Protestant worldview colors what you see). There is a reason that Christ told his disciples “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3). It is also the reason that both Christ (Matthew 4:17) and St. John the Baptist (Matthew 3:2) begin their ministry with the words, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” “Repent” (“metanoia” in Greek) is not an ethical command, but a command to literally change the way you view the world/reality. You ask, “Is this intentional - to raise the bar for new entrants so high, that very few people can actually connect with it.” The answer, of course, is no! Our liturgical practices are mostly over a thousand years old. What has happened in the meantime (most substantially in the past 200 years) is that modern man has lost his ability to enter into the spiritual realities that were common to Christians for thousands of years. You go on to say, “Why not use actual language we speak, instead of using some ancient words and forgotten symbols.” Using the same logic, you might suggest that we rewrite Scripture as well, so that it’s easier to understand. But if you try to do this, you will definitely end up throwing the baby out with the bath water. The thing is that *we are the ones who need to be changed*! If we allow them to, both Scripture and the liturgical life of the Church will transform us, and we will slowly, slowly actually begin to understand the words of Scripture and the ethos of Orthodox liturgical life. Yes, the services should be in the language of the local people (and this is mostly the case in the United States). But if we find ourselves feeling that Scripture and the liturgical life of the Church are hard to understand, then we should be chastened and challenged to understand that *we have fallen away from divine revelation*, and we should try with all our strength to understand, and most importantly, to live according to this divine revelation.
@@ProtectingVeil Thanks for your answer! Well, Bible keeps being translated into new language as language changes (unlike koran). And the purpose is - for people to be able to understand what is written. May be we should do the same with the symbolic (visual) language of the church. Translate it into something that is more understandable to a modern man? Even if it is a perfect and divine symbolic language - what good it is if most of the people have no chance of understanding it and need some kind of assistance. Speaking of assistance, I guess then we would need somebody explaining what is going on during the service or at least a brouchure. Don't get me wrong, I really like symbolic stuff the way Jonathan explains, but I have a feeling I would not be able to come by the explanation of such things on my own. Regarding divine guidence and transformation (conversion) - these things to my mind are so untangable (like a wind). Can I really tell if I am converted or being transformed. Can someone else tell, looking at me. There is never 100% answer I think. The only way is to judge by the fruit. I can't hear voice of God explicitly.
It might be summed up in the prayer "Not my will but Thy will be done". Placing your heart in God and your faith in Him and watch the miracles start laying themselves out.
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I generally think that Jonathan Pageau was the first to intellectually introduce me to Orthodoxy...I will always be so grateful to him for that.
Sounds interesting. Any videos of his you would recommend?
@@naikhanomtom7552 honestly any of them. I started listening to his stuff from 2-3y ago, mostly talks with dr. Jordan Peterson. Sadly I can’t remember any specific ones :/
I feel blessed that I found him so soon in my journey of becoming Orthodox.
@@aleciapacheco5338 well, welcome on home. Christ is risen!
I was a Roman Catholic scholar and became Orthodox. The backlash was immense, but it was the single greatest gift of my life, and I have a beautiful family so I don't toss that claim around lightly. There is nothing even close to Orthodoxy, and there is exactly one, visible, shining church for all of us to accept or reject. Let's make this decision solemnly, because our eternal soul hangs in the balance.
What was your reasoning for switching ?
Do you really think someone would be damned if they lived a good holy life but were catholic instead of orthodox?
@@luciobrazil007 Orthodoxy is perfect. Unity is in theology in Orthodoxy. Unity is in political submission in RCism. Anyone can avoid theology and with an open heart and exposure to Orthodoxy accept it as the one true church, just as all saints did. However, the flaws with Romanism are innumerable: Papalism says one person is supreme, indefectible, universal, and infallible, yet this didn't crop up in dogma until as late as the 19th century... why isn't there a whiff of this in any conciliar document or patristic teaching? Flowery language and word-concept fallacy does not count, but even those things are not conciliar. The discord between Western Orthodoxy, pre-scholastic Romanism, post-scholastic Romanism, V1 Romanism, V2 Romanism is insane. We were taught holes in the narrative pretty openly-- we were taught to live in cognitive dissonance. Created Grace and Absolute Divine Simplicity are evil dogmas. Immaculate Conception destroys our anthropology. There were massive transformations in RC spirituality starting exactly in the 11th century: stigmata, female saints with sexual hysteria, imaginative prayer, body part worship, so on, so forth. Completely alien to the Orthodox West of the first 1000 years. Now, to hold onto a failed faith, people are driven to schizophrenia, seeing things, appealing to prophecy, spell-casting (like trying to cast a spell on Russia-- completely insane, completely alien to Christian life at any point since Christ was born... yet well known to pagans), appealing to "rigor on divorce on contraception) even though *post schism Roman Catholicism* spent *300-800 years* without these new doctrines of Schrodinger's marriage (since an annulment means you were never married, you'll have to wait til death to know if you were) and no-contraception-but-somehow-NFP-isn't-contraception (which is openly denied by canons and the universal voice of the Fathers *even in the West.*) I was gypped. I know how the RC church manipulates, coerces, and shames. I blessedly never was treated badly myself, but I see it in others, and I know my own cognitive dissonance I had to work through. There are millions of people who don't understand there is an alternative. They think it is RCism, Protestantism (prima facie a joke, if well-intentioned at times), or paganism/nihilism. This is not true: the church is alive, and you are part of a conditioning program to keep your mind focused on Protestantism as the only alternative to Papism.
Check out the Ubi Petrus channel, the highest quality channel answering Roman Catholicism, Jay Dyer and David Erhan, two other great lecturers on youtube, and the intro scholarly literature: Denny, Siecienski, Guettee, Papadakis. God bless you!
@@luciobrazil007 How do you live a good holy life without the sacraments, theosis, or worshipping the true God? Roman Catholics are bound by dogma to worship a monad, and they lack all true sacraments. Common grace works everywhere, even in pagan lands, and some of those people whose hearts are aligned towards Orthodoxy even despite what's demanded from them may by God's mercy be saved. I certainly hope so. But it's clear that the path is narrow, and the sacraments are the greatest tools we have to work to salvation. We should reject heresy and pursue real sacraments if we want a great chance. Those that are ignorant have an excuse, but few are ignorant in this Google era.
Wait does the Orthodox Church not allow NFP?
How it took 25 years for me to find this is surely a mystery of God's timing. Truly amazing.
Ertha Kitt said once to her daughter "Don't panic. God may not be there when you want Him ,but He is always on time."
@@olgak.1139 Olga since I just read this after texting my estranged daughter, I take it as a sign that it is meant for Gianna. THANK YOU!
@@MRizzio You're welcome! Some time ago l watched an interview with her daughter which is biracial and was talking about all the struggles she had because although she is so similar to Ertha she's white. They were both at South Africa during apartheid and the authorities didn't let her mother join a group for a safari. As a little girl she was got upset and this is when Ertha spoke those words of wisdom to her. After a while they understood who she was and let her join if I'm not mistaken.
Stay, Golden Jonathan Pageau
Thank you! Great interview with Jonathan Pageau. He carved a cross for our son when he became a priest. He does beautiful work, God has richly blessed him.
I needed this video today because I’m at this point where I need to slow down and think about all I’ve learned in 61/2 months. Wow, It was life changing for me! I’m still in shocked as to why I’ve never heard of Orthodoxy. Thanks for the encouraging words!
I think we share similar timelines, although I come from a non-Christian (anti-Christian maybe) background. Christ officially entered my life 8 months ago and I found out about Orthodoxy about the same time you did.
And the whole thing still feels surreal in every way.
Right there with you, friend. Blessings.
@@Bb-pw1zi I hear you but definitely has not been my experience. Maybe it’s different in rural areaa like where I live. Incredibly welcoming to this Protestant convert.
@@Bb-pw1zi my wife and I joined a ROCOR parish a couple of years ago and have felt at home from the beginning. And we are not Russian. I would encourage you to take another look.
As to the Scriptures, you must consider that Christ’s Church existed before the New Testament was written. The Bible can only be understood and interpreted through the Church which wrote it.
@@Bb-pw1zi my friend, I understand the language issue. Did you have an opportunity to speak with the priest?
As to the Bible, I live in the Southern US and there are thousands of Protestants who believe they have the correct view of Scriptures. Mr. Eckhart is just one more person with his own unique view. I will stick with the Orthodox Church’s interpretation, since it’s Saint wrote it.
I saw him in an online discussion with Jordan Peterson which was very touching and, IMO, helped Jordan move closer to faith in God.
I became faithful only recently and I also see miracles in my life.. God bless you all ❤ May our faith in lord become stronger ❤
Jonathan led me to Orthodoxy. His work saved my life in some powerful ways. Glory to God. God Bless Jonathan Pageau and his ministry.
Jonathan introduced me to Orthodoxy too. I will forever be grateful to him for that!
Beautiful recognition of miracles!
Ι know EXACTLY what you say from experience. Orthodoxy is not just a religion! It's an experience !!! I'm a Greek orthodox myself
As someone who had Catholic and Protestant family members but atheist parents, I had absolutely no interest in church or religion as a kid. As I got older, I started having a sense of needing something and due to my preconceptions on Christianity, I ended up following and researching various new age and occult philosophies. I'd never even heard of orthodox Christianity before discovering Jonathan last month and I can't stop reading about it.
Godspeed, brother! 🙏
We have a very similar story. Also a Protestant and a Catholic side in the family. Parent stoped going to church in their teens, didn’t become full blown atheist however. Searched a lot in my late teens. I discovered Jonathan through the work of Jordan Peterson. First went to a Protestant church since Orthodoxy isn’t common place here. Now I’m a waiting to be received into an Orthodox Parish. It has had a great impact already like Jonathan said it feels like a slow Theophany. With many falls and getting back up again of course.
I agree that Orthodoxy makes nothing easy - but that's part of what I love about it. Being new to the church either requires patience or a willingness to engage with the community for guidance- or both - and all of these help with spiritual growth. Trying to follow God & walk in his light and to do our best to be less sinful is also not easy. Nobody said it's easy - just that it's worth it.
So sweet...the miracles. They're constant!
0:37 Artist Johnathan Pageau
1:00 Icon Carver Johnathan Pageau
1:25 The Stories, The Patterns, Sink In, Into Johnathan Pageau’s Life
2:08 Slow Theophany
2:26 Seeing What I Hadn’t Seen Before
2:42 Personal Trust In God Grows
3:07 Seeing More Light 💡 In The World ❤️☦️🙏🏼
3:35 There is a 1st Barrier:
Orthodoxy is Counter-Cultural to our 2010s-2020s American 🇺🇸 🇨🇦Culture
5:18 Knowing we fall short, but slowly move into this Life. It’s a Lifelong Journey, you Slowly Emerge Into It.
*Miracles*
6:13 Strange, Little.
6:33 “I never decided I was going to be an Icon Carver… It really happened to me. Circumstances set themselves up around me.”
7:20 It was amazing to see God Takes Care of His Children.
7:44 “3 times people gave us cars 🚗 🚗 🚗 .” “I receive checks in the mail 📬from people I don’t know.”
8:40 Miracles over and over🏜️ ☦️❤️
9:56 Putting oneself in positions of need.
My husband and I have experienced these small miracles of provision as we have changed the way we live. Our job situations changed drastically just before the pandemic began, and we work more in service to others than we ever did before. It was not really a choice to change jobs, exactly. It was as if God planned it that way. Since then, His provision has been timely and amazing.
Thankyou for these videos. As someone who has found myself drawn to Orthodoxy very recently, these messages are so relevant and are really inspiring me to continue making the first steps on my journey. God Bless you.
Glory to God! May God continue to guide your steps!
Much love from Serbia 😍
“I think that the most significant thing orthodoxy has brought to me, as someone who lived as; my whole life knowing that in someway I would be an artist somehow, and struggling with that in my school and actually throwing all my art away and turning away from art after art college because the contemporary art world is too nuts.” I can relate so much
I needed this. Thank you for this video. I'd love to see more videos featuring Jonathan on this channel. He introduced me to Orthodoxy and I can see how after I started going to church (an Orthodox parish 1 hour away from home), on January this year, every Sunday my life has been improving so immensely. Truly, miracles have happened to me ever since I started attending the liturgy.
Thanks to God! Will try to get Jonathan back on!
Great testimony, so humble, so honest! Yes, you can find God - or better said: He finds you! - even in being an Icon carver! God bless you and your family, Jonathan Pageau!
Loved your words on miracles. My wife and I have experienced the same situations where put ourselves in places that did not seem “safe”, but managed to get exactly what we needed when we needed it. JBP brought me to Jonathan and Jonathan is pushing me towards Orthodoxy.
Very interesting to see Jonathan talk about his life as an artist.
This is an inspirational story.
God bless you.
thank you
Amazing.
God is truly merciful
Great and inspiring interview. Thank you.
I laughed out loud when Jonathan spoke of multiple miracles he experienced in the past and yet he still doubts at times. All the head thoughts of being ruined, my kids will starve, etc. Oh my, yes! Have SEEN God do so many, many miracles for us over 40 years and yet also go into panic over the "what will we wear, drink, eat"...silly stuff. The Lord knows you need them and has never once failed us.
Thank you for another great presentation! Glory to God!
That Testimony on miracles was so powerful and encouraging. God bless you 🙏
Really encouraging 🙏 thanks
I always wondered about Jonathan’s story, thank you. Very inspiring! Glory to God.❤️
Thank you, this was very inspirational at just the right time
Thank you for sharing.
I’m 17 and I have been Protestant all my life. I feel so drawn to Orthodoxy after delving deeper into it!
What should I do?
Try to attend a Sunday service and talk to the priest
+1 for @@Kevin-kc1xg 's response...also, try to stay away from internet Orthodoxy (reading resources online is fine, but social media Orthodoxy (including RUclips comment sections(!)) should be avoided!) May God continue to guide your steps!🙏
I'd highly recommend "Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy" by Fr Andrew Stephen Damick for big picture theology or Orthodox Ethos for shorter clips & answers to common Qs
Try reading the new testament guided by patristic fathers. For example Saint tihon zadonski, etc. And simple spiritual books understanding the basics of the faith.
Definitely. I am a Greek Othodox, if you follow step by step orthodoxy, your eyes will open to the Truth of Jesus Christ and your heart will fill by the grace of Holy Spirit. It is not an easy way but it s the only way to the salvation of your soul!
Gorgeous
I'm living in a predominately Orthodox country. There is an appeal, but it seems like a big step from Anglican, especially due to the language differences.
May I ask in which country you live?
My question is this, I understand that the Saints that came before us are not dead. I understand that they are present with the Lord. And I even understand that they are praying for us, and I thank God for their prayers. So when it comes to intercession of the Saints, I can see asking a Saint to pray for me. But I don’t quite get praying to them. For instance prayers to Mary, sometimes will say things like;
“ My Queen, My Mother, I offer
myself entirely to thee.
And to show my devotion to thee,
I offer thee this day, my eyes,
my ears, my mouth, my heart,
my whole being without reserve.
Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.
Amen.”
This just comes off as more than veneration. I could be totally wrong. But where I am going with this, is in order to be a part of the Orthodox Church, do I have to pray to Mary and or other Saints in this nature?
Thank you so much, as I have tried to ask others this question and I cannot seem to get an answer. So I hope that you or anyone can help. Again, may God bless you.
Thanks for your question, brother! Here are a couple of thoughts, fwiw: 1) The prayer that you reference (as an aside, I'd appreciate knowing what translation this is(!)) can absolutely be prayed in such a way that does not cause theological problems. As with many of the prayers and hymns of the Church, they are firstly expressions of the heart (and this point is actually incredibly important...but it takes being Orthodox awhile to truly appreciate it...it has been said that the veneration of the Theotokos is one of the mysteries of the Church, and can therefore only be appreciated within the life of the Church...which brings me to the bigger point). 2) When asked, I am wont to tell catechumens that they should not become Orthodox until they're able to say (something like): "I believe that the Orthodox Church is the one holy body of Christ, the pillar and foundation of the truth, and that the life and traditions of the Church are gifts of the Holy Spirit and as such non-negotiable. If I don't understand (or feel uncomfortable about) some aspect of the Church (such as the veneration of icons, relics, the Saints, etc.) then it is not a problem with the Church, but the result of a lack of understanding on my part, and I will accept and live these traditions with the conviction that I will eventually understand and love them." I appreciate your concern (I was a Protestant once myself!), but the problem with not approaching Orthodoxy with this attitude is that one will come into the Church with the Protestant mindset that the conviction of the individual believer is ultimately above the authority and tradition of the Church. Unless this approach changes, the best case scenario is that the believer's spiritual life will be undermined by their individualism and trust in themself, and in the worst case scenario, they will end up leaving the Church (which I've seen far too many times). The best (and really only true) way is to enter as a child, with an open heart and mind to fulfill St. Paul's words, "do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." It is not possible to have a spiritual life without learning obedience...and obedience often requires the crucifying of one's mind (to use Fr. Seraphim Rose's expression).
@@ProtectingVeil thank you very much for the patience and kindness you offered me in writing this, it is greatly appreciated. And God bless you.
@@ProtectingVeil this was really helpful, I am a Protestant but right now so disillusioned and deep into church history and it led me to Orthodoxy.
I'm a protestant. After listening to Jonathan I kind of understand what the appeal of ortodoxy is, but after visiting the actual worship service, it seems so distant and confusing. Everthing is symbolic, images, robes even songs and words. It seems that I need to probably study few years in some courses before I would able to apreciate the ortodox service. Its so difficult to get into it with modern mind. Is this inentional - to raise the bar for new entrants so high, that very few people can actually connect with it. Why not use actual language we speak, instead of using some ancient words and forgotten symbols.
Thanks for taking the time to comment! I appreciate your concern…but I’d encourage you to look at Orthodox Christianity from a different perspective. I don’t think you need to spend years studying and taking courses in Orthodoxy, you primarily need to change your perspective (and if you don’t know how, begin by simply trying to recognize the ways in which your modern Protestant worldview colors what you see). There is a reason that Christ told his disciples “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3). It is also the reason that both Christ (Matthew 4:17) and St. John the Baptist (Matthew 3:2) begin their ministry with the words, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” “Repent” (“metanoia” in Greek) is not an ethical command, but a command to literally change the way you view the world/reality.
You ask, “Is this intentional - to raise the bar for new entrants so high, that very few people can actually connect with it.” The answer, of course, is no! Our liturgical practices are mostly over a thousand years old. What has happened in the meantime (most substantially in the past 200 years) is that modern man has lost his ability to enter into the spiritual realities that were common to Christians for thousands of years.
You go on to say, “Why not use actual language we speak, instead of using some ancient words and forgotten symbols.” Using the same logic, you might suggest that we rewrite Scripture as well, so that it’s easier to understand. But if you try to do this, you will definitely end up throwing the baby out with the bath water. The thing is that *we are the ones who need to be changed*! If we allow them to, both Scripture and the liturgical life of the Church will transform us, and we will slowly, slowly actually begin to understand the words of Scripture and the ethos of Orthodox liturgical life.
Yes, the services should be in the language of the local people (and this is mostly the case in the United States). But if we find ourselves feeling that Scripture and the liturgical life of the Church are hard to understand, then we should be chastened and challenged to understand that *we have fallen away from divine revelation*, and we should try with all our strength to understand, and most importantly, to live according to this divine revelation.
@@ProtectingVeil Thanks for your answer! Well, Bible keeps being translated into new language as language changes (unlike koran). And the purpose is - for people to be able to understand what is written. May be we should do the same with the symbolic (visual) language of the church. Translate it into something that is more understandable to a modern man? Even if it is a perfect and divine symbolic language - what good it is if most of the people have no chance of understanding it and need some kind of assistance. Speaking of assistance, I guess then we would need somebody explaining what is going on during the service or at least a brouchure. Don't get me wrong, I really like symbolic stuff the way Jonathan explains, but I have a feeling I would not be able to come by the explanation of such things on my own. Regarding divine guidence and transformation (conversion) - these things to my mind are so untangable (like a wind). Can I really tell if I am converted or being transformed. Can someone else tell, looking at me. There is never 100% answer I think. The only way is to judge by the fruit. I can't hear voice of God explicitly.
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Does anyone know what kind of missions organization Jonathan was a part of?
Heentioned another time that it was through a Mennonite Relief organization, that was before he was Orthodox I think.
What is an icon carver?
I'm still trying to figure this out, what is he talking about?
It might be summed up in the prayer "Not my will but Thy will be done". Placing your heart in God and your faith in Him and watch the miracles start laying themselves out.
Going from Protestant to Orthodox and the things one encounters doing so
I’m sorry god forgive me an all my sins an everyone in the world
I am RC so I am already orthodox
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