I am Somali-Norwegian and I´ve had norwegians straight up telling me that Somali people were better looking than other africans and that we are good looking people. Most of the time I don´t know what to say.... I like compliments but not when they bring down other people.
+Farhia Jamac you are right, but Norwegians are not same as americans or english people. They are not used to foreigners. But sometimes they tell me that they can tell I am Somali because Somali people are tall, slim and beautiful people:)
This discussion was extremely disappointing and problematic. Nobody on the panel engaged the young viewer's letter intellectually or with tact. This was a great opportunity to highlight how so many communities of color are ingrained with white supremacist mentalities where there is a desperate need to disassociate or attempt to separate oneself from any markers of blackness. Instead, the discussion continued to perpetuate the problematic and racist notions of the white Western world: "we are cultured...we have adeeb." As opposed to what? African-Americans not having any culture or refinement? There is a difference between having nationalistic pride and having a (racist) superiority complex. Any response in this discussion should have began with distinguishing between race and ethnicity. They aren't mutually exclusive folks. You can be Somali and black. And is anybody going to acknowledge that this young viewer is suffering from self-hatred and how to combat that? She occupies a world that negatively portrays her community and instead of acknowledging that, we're blaming the victim and calling her "stupid"? I think this show is a great idea and I don't want to knock anyone for being innovative and creating...but if you want to build viewership, you need to put more care into its production. Like..can we get some competent panelists -- how were any of these panelists qualified to speak on this subject? Maybe consider rehearsing beforehand, less off the cuff? And can we call out problematic/offensive statements? Because I took some serious offense to some of the statements that were made (and it seemed so did ya'll but didn't call it out...) Sheeko Sheeko has potential but needs serious work. This was a trainwreck.
Let me just say that I went to Somali last year and never heard of having “jareer” maids or workers. Most of the maids are Somali and they work because they need the money to feed their family and they get treated as though they’re apart of that family and they eat the same food and sometimes they give them an extra room to sleep when there done with their chores
This little girl is just going through identity crises. She will grow up out of it and accept the fact that she's Somali. OR she will try her best to dosassociate with her identity. Either way I hope she finds her happiness.
SICK GIRL REALLY AINT NOBODY GONNA ACCEPT YOU IF YOU DONT DO IT YOURSELF WALLAHI ALSO WHEN SHE SAID THAT SHE DIDNT WEAR HEADSCARF WAS QUITE SHOCKING TO BEHONEST
I swear they are taking a little insecure 16 year old girl way too serious, we all been there, you grow up and learn to love yourself and your people. This should even be a sheeko sheeko yawn.
The reason why Somalis should not accept the term Black is very simple. Yes, of course we are Africans, BUT the term Black is generally used by Western Society to subjugate the diversity of African people. It is a term that is connected to people who do not know their background (i.e. Those who were enslaved by Whites). We know our background! We have a history! We are Somalis, not a generic term called Black. The same reason why a Nigerian shouldn't accept the term also!
+Cushitic Man your opinion on the word "black" although it has some appreciable value, all your doing is feeding into the perception that the world "black" is negative portrayal when it's obviously not, it's a quality we should embrace. I am a Somali and also consider myself black, simply put, you can be black and have a heritage of your own
+Topboss there is no such thing as black. We are African and Somali period . Black means african , black people should consider themselves as Africans first before we Somalis call ourselves black. Black is not a race it's social construct made by white people.
@@lin6720 I'm so glad I'm not the only one that found her hella annoying. Her over repetitive use of religious jargon also added to the irritation. Christ, she can't go without 5 seconds without mentioning something religious.
People are naturally comfortable with others who share their cultural norms. The tendency to identify with one’s people or nation is something Allah has placed in human nature and He has made it a reason for people to get to know each other. Allah has also told us that the superiority one person might have over another is based on that person’s character, moral fibre, and piety, not race or ethnicity. On the Day of Judgment, our ethnic origins will mean nothing. Allah says: “And when the trumpet is blown, on that day there will be no kinship among them, nor will they ask of one another.” [Sūrah al-Mu’minūn: 101]
To the presenter: I have been spending considerable of time in Somaliland in recent years, 6-10 months at a time, 'Jareer' and 'dhagax' as house maids? There is no such thing, certainly not now, and never historically (except really isolated cases). Housemaids were and mostly still are poor girls who come from the countryside. I highly suspect the same goes for puntland, and central regions of Somalia, I don't know about the rest.
I don't like the word nor should it describe people of colour, the Origin of that word is from slavery. We Africans are kings and queens let's not use this derogatory/ demonizing word. I, myself, consider my self as pure African who originated from Africa. The issue with some Somalis is that they think there superior and or better than others. What is key to know your fellow human being, have respect tolerance and no prejudice.
it's so crazy these somali people on this panel don't think their features are "typical african" features... as if the entire continent of Africa has one type cast instead of a multitude of diverse ethnic kind of people with varying features..... wild.
it baffles me when people say we don't have African features. ummm ya we do. we have East African features. I like how the host specified, ya we don't have West African features. let's acknowledge how huge and diverse Africa is. A South African looks different than a Rwandese person just like they look different from a person who is from Sierra Leone who looks different than a Ghanaian. Somalis are the natives of the region and we always looked this way. We're the descendants of the Nubians and our DNA is close to pure. Attributing our features to Arabs bc they're the closest nation...what? no they're not. how about the other African nations bordering our country are the closest? Let's get this right, our beauty is ours - it's East African so let's not give credit to Arabs where it's not due. we look better. also, we are the motherland and if anything, they have our features. and if you've read up on studies of Somali DNA, it's been found that we are ancestors to the people of a few nations who have the closest DNA make-up to us. Including some in Europe. So...you're welcome world.
+Carl Marx 1) West Africans are Bantu. " Current scholarly understanding places the ancestral proto-Bantu homeland in West Africa near the present-day southwestern border of Nigeria and Cameroon c. 4,000 years ago (2000 B.C.), and regards the Bantu languages as a branch of the Niger-Congo language family." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples 2) How the hell do you know there are no West Africans as maids - even if we don't include Somali-Bantu's? Do you know what is being objective is?
Can we get more Halima's. MashAllah.Iman, what makes you think other black people don't have a "culture"? Just because their dhaqan (Culture) is different from ours doesn't make them cultureless, or lack edheb and xishood. Smh
***** The question was not about Somali contribution to society, rather I was calling out Iman for denouncing black culture as non existent. You just helped me further prove my point. Not too sure what you were trying to get at..
+serenesista Yup, lol. That was exactly my point. I also can see where you're coming from with us Somalis having a superiority complex, which is also BTW discussed in the video. :)
Can I just say shout out to the group here you guys all have your heads on right. You get and understand todays somali youth. These older people may Allah bless them need to start to understand we are in need of a huge change to our ways to get us back on top. The light is at the end of the tunnel we just have to see through the mirage.
To address the comment made that "Black people do not have a culture." I think first you need to understand what a culture is. Cultural is created when multiple people come together, this creates a sort of social interaction/dynamic/norms etc. African Americans and many other black people who were enslaved were stolen from their nations and cultures . But you have to realize is that when black people regardless of their backgrounds were held together they created a social dynamic that was unique to them because they had something in common ; there blackness and the struggles that came with it . This culture is music, clothing , speaking style, fashion and the shared black struggle/journey. So to say that black people do not have a culture is not only incorrect but not possible . Human beings by default create cultures in the communities and the environment they are around . How can a group of people with a common struggle/journey and back ground over a period of hundred years not have a culture? It is not humanly possible
I hated Iman’s comments about black Americans having no culture. Explain hip hop, soul food, African American vernacular english, R&B and literally every popular music genre in the west that people consume the most.
Mannnnn, Halimo is so well spoken and humble. Mash Allah Sister Halima keep advising these girls that have weak mentality and there self hate is taking over all their senses.
If you don’t have strong self awareness of your ethnicity, culture, history and religion you WILL see only the negative in your culture because for the first time you’re exposed to outsiders View of you and you internalise and believe that. When you’re in your own country people only see the best and area we want to improve they don’t say “were bad people, or our culture is bad”. There is good and bad in every culture. If you hate yourself, culture or race look inward and examine why you feel that way b4 projecting that to your community and saying we should be ashamed.
One fun fact there is country in Africa called Sudan ( the meaning of that word is black). Even some Sudanese don't consider themselves to be black and that baffles my mind as well.
the whole argument on whether we are black is soooo stupid. we are black, and one of the oldest black groups in Africa (we came before west African groups which has been proven) . furthermore there are many different types of black ethnic groups in Africa. yes we look different to west Africans but if everyone hasn't noticed, south African people look different to west Africans ect WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. there isn't one type of black and im guessing in America because the black Americans are of west African heritage they see the west African look and assume that what makes you "black" WHICH IS WRONG. i think people need to educate themselves on how diverse Africa is. we have all hair types, all hair colours, all eye colours, all shades of brown skin tones. AFRICA IS MORE THAN WEST AFRICA.
masha Allah you got it right. Even though Some west Africans like Guinea-Bissau look a lot or much better looking than Somalis. Beauty is in All of Africa.
No matter where ever we came from wether we are Arabicians or Africians the main point is we are somalis and I my self am proud to be part with uncountable Never disgrace
There's no west Africans who live and got enslaved in Somalia. Jareer is one of Somali clans called Beesha Jareer Wayne and they are not slaves to anyone. Since they are one of the most peace loving clans in Somalia, they have faced a lot of subjugation and human rights violations by other major Somali clans but that does not make them slaves and no body treats them like one. But if you talking about where they were from originally, some historians say, they might be originally from Tanzania but there no concrete evidence which shows that. Similarly, researches point out that even other Somali clans migrated to Horn of Africa. To conclude Somali itself is a diverse nation let alone Africa and blacks who deny us our African ancestry are lame and they need to learn some history. The word black carries a diverse community including Asians. India, China, Philippine, Indonesia etc, have black communities but they are Asian geographically speaking and black racially.
Black is too general and it has many shades and features, so if you see someone who reserves blackness to certain group of people, just tell them to do some research and learn more about their race
@To-Bi Fit..... No one copied anyone, a email question was sent it...she probably sent it to both channels ..looking for more than one opinion.. People are allowed to ask more than one person for advice...
I think it's important to make the distinction that Somalis do not purely marginalize just west Africans with terms such as "madow" and "jareer" but also Europeans and white people with terms like "cadan'" and "dofar" its always just a case of us against them more than racism, even though I do not condone such name calling towards anyone we naturally have this mentality of we are the best and to an extent I do not find much wrong with that because we pride ourselves on mostly religion before nationalism, and half the world hates us anyway but we do note care and stick together which is great. Personally madow and cadan simply mean black and white and I do not find either of them remotely offensive to use to describe people.
+Ricko Sibora madow is not term for racism madow means the color black and jareer weyne is somali tribe it is not used to oppress or discriminate anybody what you guys discussing is long gone history it is not in use in somalia right now it is exits in the minds of somali kids raised in the west and online
this person ricko is probable a somali girl because only somali girls think the word "madow" is racist term she is crazy madow simply means black it is not used for racism
***** I seriously hate how you people have created a culture of hate for us on the internet. now people think we're some kind of Arab level racists who hate other black people. Ask an older Bantu Somali how their life was in Somalia before the war, what will they say? they freaking loved Somalia. They started having problems only in recent times like any other Somalis. stop ruining our image and making us look bad and creating enemies for us. we live amongst Bantus in East Africa and we love them.
gaaju haggy yes i've noticed it's mostly the girls that have extreme self hate. what is wrong with them? The president of JL is called Axmed Madoobe meaning Ahmed the black. is that racist? I have really curly hair almost nappy because I have some Xabashi ancestry and people call me jareer all the time. these people. they are doing everything they can to make us look racist and hateful. Now you see how everyone on the internet hates us!! ishh
my friend i grew up in mogadishu especially waabari district and it is majority jareer people i have never experienced or seen jareer being treated any different than regular somali people people will say those jareer family or that jareer person but not in bad way just that was their name there is no racism or hate for jareer people in somalia it is made up propaganda. mostly westernized somali women love to spread wrong information about somalia and that we are the most racist people in the world so they can relate with african americans or black Europeans our girls will do anything to get the attention of black people they degrade the somali people and call them names for calling other people names they are confused girls
What you have to understand is that terms such as 'black' and 'somali' or 'arab' are very abstract. What I've learned during my study cultural anthropology is that people use those terms to identify people faster and try to put people into boxes. What you consider as 'black' , someone else might view it very differently. What the Somali community is facing for numeral of years is an identity crisis of some sort and that is very unfortunate.
+Ayan Hoda other africans call us african black and we call them african and black how is it offensive when we say african waaye madow waaye we calling them what they call us
+gaaju haggy there's nothing wrong with it, it's just the fact that most of the somalis use it in a derogatory manner terms such as 'jareer' we're all Africans and black
Jareer is not derogatory term it is somali tribe name. And you don't know people's intentions when they say that word because when the jareer community call themselves that name openly are you gonna stop them and say don't call yourselves derogatory names you gonna look stupid whats derogatory is and racist when west Africans call Somalis big forehead people that's what I find offensive and racist term but I'm sure it makes you laugh and joke about your people because according to you world other people always have good intentions but somali people no matter how innocent it is what they say its always with bad intention because they are somali
+gaaju haggy PREACH! Many of those self hatred Somali females need to switch up real quick and look after their identity and communities first and foremost. But these girls are like a lost speed boat in the Atlantic Ocean. Quick to make a move but lost as fuxk!! Smh sad wallahi.
that is disgusting. you are trying to pass knowledge when you need it yourself.. talking about west Africans like they are bellow you wont make you any better it actually proves the a opposite!! the girl who sent the email should be ashamed if this is you way of thinking yall.. she has every right to be ashamed
Africa is not a race but it is an area or continent. Somalis are cushetic in race and very origional i.e they did not come from an other area like Arabia. Somalis look like other cushetic nations. Yes, it is true Somalis used to be very proud by tradition and they used to look down all other races including Eurs, Asians/Arabs and Bantus. If somebody hates that proudness is up to him.
I know you're going off the cuff for the most part in these conversations, but I think it's important to show a bit more tact and sensitivity when touching on some of these issues. I found some of the jokes to be rather cringe-worthy. Otherwise, interesting view-points from the panelists and an important conversation to have in the Somali community.
I think Somalis blur the lines between what is their ethnicity and race. We bulk the 2 very different characteristics into one and acknowledge our Somali ethnicity but refuse to acknowledge our very visual blackness. When society looks at us, we are not automatically labeled as Somali but first labeled as black. And even within this initial labeling we correct them and announce our Somali ethnicity. This also creates this fictional hierarchy where even if we are labeled as being black or associated with blackness then we explain how different we are from stereotypical blacks naming features and physically varying attributes we know as being unique to east Africa. From my knowledge, in Somali itself the concept of 'racism' is a harder concept to grasp because this idea of being black isn't taught to them and doesn't affect them directly. When you grow up your whole life being told you're 'Somali' and never being told that you are black you begin to dissociate yourself from the race.
Why would Somali's grow up being taught we are black? Black race didn't exist in Somali culture, heck even in all of Africa there was no concept of a black race. Our grandparent back home would never use the word black to describe other Africans, they would say Jareer or use the tribe name if they had one. Then the white man came and colonised the continent and now all of a sudden we must bow to white social constructs of race. I'm sorry, I was not taught I was black and I do not accept the social construct of a black race. You sound eloquent and educated but you are ignorant if you think that Somali's not accepting 'blackness' is a problem. We accept the blackness of our skin, you hear it in our poems and folk story, so no, we do not reject 'blackness' as you put it.
I love you guys wallahi you guys are deep SUCH a refreshing view from other Somali youtube because you're not about light hearted funny stuff but about intelligent conversation
I do for so many reasons. We are poor, we have dark skinned people, we have very curly hair. Curly hair is beautiful, but not everyone knows how to take care of it. And I know Somalis are lazy, so I am ashamed of my people, because they don't take care of their hair or merely cover it with a hijab. And we sometimes look good sometimes look ugly especially with long lips and long forhead (i have a long forhead too) or because of weird face shape. I hate also how lots of us have uneven skin tone, and the Somalis don't want to solve it! Too lazy + they don't care + they think they can't afford it. I also hate how everyone, everyone is hijabi even the beautiful ones. Why! We want to silence those who say Somalis are ugly and prove otherwise. And Somalia probably isn't a safe or good place to live in. And even if it was, we like foreign countries more cuz they are better. Also, it embarrassing that we don't have a common language (us youngsters). Some speak fluent English and a little bit of somali. Some speak fluent Arabic, some french, Italian, etc. So if they meet, it will be a disaster cuz no one understands each other. This is so embarrassing.
That what always my family say we are not black we are arab but we are truly black lool I don’t really get it till now what our old parents mean that but I understood that they didn’t have a knowledge about what they saying
Firstly love what u guys are doing only just started watching your talk show great work guys 👏🏽 Now to comment on this segment I think this young girl is very much influenced by Non-Somali's, I can semi understand her point of view and I honestly believe that she is influenced to an extent because ajanibis non Somali these people make us question ourselves, why are u so light/dark, why is your hair so soft/hard. By being surrounded by your people u get an understanding of who You are where your from, all the different Somalis, being around one another gives u an inside experience of different Somali ppl. Somali/ African we are very proud of who we are regardless of how much we dislike certain things in our culture/tradition the things we dislike are also the things we admire. "WE ARE NOT BLACK, WE'RE ARAB..." Hahahahah I laugh because it is true and to try n defend those who say I'd say they deny being black because what it stands for today in the world we live in unfortunately
lmao at features and hair texture. There are many other countries in Africa that have similar features. They're still considered African and they damn well consider themselves African. Africans are more genetically diverse than the rest of the world combined. This means that the further away from Africa you go, the less genetically diverse populations are. This also means that two Africans might have less in common - genetically than an African and a European because European genetics aren't as diverse. So looks and skin colour dont mean a DAMN thing at the end of the day. The sooner we look at ppl as ppl the better off we'll be.
I’m sorry but the people on this panel are not very well educated on the phenotypes of Africa. This is what the girl was talking about, Somalis think they are the only beautiful Africans lol and they are not. They are just the only people who degrade themselves in western countries trying desperately to fit in and yet pretend to be better then other Africans. Have you ever heard of Hausa? Or any other tribe of Africans with features that you like which let’s be real are because they are more on line with western beauty standards? Also the “slaves” in Somalia were not West Africans they were from Zanzibar. There was so much posturing, misinformation & lack of intellectual curiosity in this clip it amazes me. I am not ashamed to be Somali but I am repulsed by the ignorance of our people.
actually east africa was not the originator of what it means to be black, it was europe, greece to be precise. africans use their tribe/ethnicity to label ourselves, using the colour of our hair is a new thing.
It is unfortunate that the belief by Somalis that they are "superior" than "Africans" is what has eventually led to their own downfall as a country, and it is ironic that countries like Kenya, where Somalis consider to be "African black" countries, are offering refuge to Somalis! God's plan!
@@Tb-gz4qt Who are "Other Africans?" Sometimes you should see the positive side of colonization. For example, without colonization, I am sure all native Kenyans would still be living in forests as barbaric savages and hunters and gatherers just like their ancestors did for millions of years. But coloniozation and missionary activity brought about civilization, better healthcare, low infant mortality, and the competitiveness that Kenyans and other Africans enjoy on the global stage. That is not to say, however, that colonial powers did not try to suppress and oppress Africans in concentration camps.
+Layla Hush yes I hope that is more along the lines of what she meant. Because the way she said it sounded extremely ignorant. I hope she can make more informed statements moving forward considering she is on this platform.
That is ignorant and close minded to say. I bet she think she is right. Sometimes close minded somalis talk like they in the third reich.it is talks like this is why Rwanda got messed up.
the host is kind annoying. second, jereeer people are not west African. they are from tanzania most of them. thirdly, somalis dont have to level them selves as black or arab. there are different shades of somalis, the main stream somalis(light skin or dark skin), the somali arab, the somali shaanshi who look like arabs but only speak somali, the somali bantu, the barawani and ect. Lastly, we dont need other people to tell us who we are and we dont need to belong to any category of race. be proud of being somali. Dont let other black people who are suffering inferiority complex to bring you down or racist whites. Allah created humans different mads. Choose kind, great human beings in your life no matter what country or continent they come from. by the way, just because you are from africa that does not mean you are automatically black. Almost half of africa is resided by arabs, amaseq and nubians.
I hate and love at the same time walahi.., for me, I am always being told to do something for the Somali ppl and help them but at the same time when I have like 7 siblings in house living with me and mind u they aren't kids anymore I still have to go to the kitchen and cook for them plus working and studying full time, I am always being told that I am useless and a shame to the family when I pay almost half my siblings fees and got 2 full scholarships from my uni ..., I like the supporting part but walahi by the end of the day all I can remember is the derogatory terms my family used, and it's not just my mom and dad the uncles and aunties who call whenever they want money...., I am 20 years old this year and I am gonna graduate from uni in 2023 Jan all I am looking forward to is to get my own place near my family and have a place where I can calm my mind down and support them whenever they need help. feeling like a prisoner in my own house has always been the case for me and gurlllll i swear I am gonna work soo hard (for me) that they won't have any more options but to let me be inshallah :)
I hope you graduated walal, I’m sorry for your experiences growing up, I too feel a little bad as to how much chores I put on my sisters and wish I was more fair. I’m sorry for you pain. Please, forgive your parents/siblings if you can. Not all parts of our culture is good. But we’re trying ❤
This world is full of diversity but as a Somali it is really hard to formally explain with peer reviewed evidence, our situation. there are black Indians,Arabs or other Asians like some philipinos are black in Asia. the worst part is that i have not come across any written form of history as to how we came about as 'SOMALI' like a whole new ethnicity in of itself that has one language , which is really some MYSTICAL SHIT , given that we were colonised as a nation buy three different countries and have the same religion . i mean why cant we speak arabic or other Bantu languages just like our neighbors in Kenya, Tanzania which by the way both had Arab influence just like we did. Mzambique which is also a coastal country had influence too but you dont see them speaking the same language and all have the same religion. if we were as enthusiastic about this the same way we are about the romans or the persian empires the conspiracies sorounding this subject would be over whelming but then again we are Somali and we generally DONT GIVE A SHIT. i personally feel like we are blessed that we are very very comfortable i our skin with exception of some wannabe s ALAXAMDULILLAH for that but we need to make the world aware of this proud ethnicity we all call SOMALI. .......
This conversation is meaningless Somalis are black with different features. I hate to break to you not all black look like each other that's the police excuse "i couldn't tell he matched the suspect"
West african are not bantu because west african extremely diverse that some ethnic groups that have Caucasian features mbororo fulani,tibu,tuareg,shuwa arabs
I'm sorry but you guys sound very ignorant on this subject. The Somali Bantus that you're referring to are not West Africans at all, but are natives to regions in east africa, and some in southern somalia. It is actually somalis who migrated down from the north. And the fact that you make light of your aunt's comments, saying that they were humorous at the time is really telling tbh.
+Yasmin Bantus are not native to anywhere near Somali stop lying. the only native are bajun and the live in the extreme South. Somalia always belonged to cushites and the Somalia migration fro the North replaced other Cushites not Bantus
hold on guys so you tell me that "Africans are the originator of what it means to be black" you know is like you saying Egyptian, Sudanese and Libyan people are black because they're also located Africa
First of all you guys are great i love your programs and please do invite back halima jama she is amazing mashallah i bet her parents are so proud of her very articulate and polite girl.. One more thing please send me your email..
That's sad story, True is story I just moved here to Boston, and met this Somalia fella in the train station we start talking about lots of subject, and what he does his free time and is response was I don't hangout with Somali with fuck that suppose to mean?
+To-Bi Fit I saw that video I few weeks ago. I feel like this girl who wrote the letter is a troll. LOL. Kinda feel sorry for her. EDIT: Wait ....she wrote to both channels. They showed the letter in the video. They can't be copying if this chic wrote to both channels. SMH
+SHEEKOSHEEKO can I have your email so I can tell you something that I'm fascinated about and proud but anyways you will know when I send you the email and maybe you'll use it as a topic . hope to have a answer from you soon x
I am Somali and I don't consider myself a BLACK nor an arab. I know that my ancestors were mixed of middle eastern and east African so why would I denied my other half and called myself a BLACK? if I took my DNA test today I know that I am not going to be 100% African which is why I don't consider myself a BLACK. I know that some Somali people called themselves Niggas or arabs because of how they look, for example light skin Somalis like "XAMARCADCAD" they called themselves arabs and "SOMALIBANTU" called themselves BLACKS so who do you think is right or wrong ? we know hat Somalis look so different some are light and some are dark, so do you think its fair to call all Somalis black just because your dark? we Somalis have different ancestors we Somalis are not people from same mom and dad like everyone else some Somalis maybe 100% African and somae maybe10% African which is the reason why some Somalis called themeselves BLACK and some ARABS. we Somalis look so different from other Africans and that is why africans don't called Somalis Africans. Africans denied us when they want and they call us Africans when they have no prove that Africans are beautiful people they say were different types of Africans which makes no freaking sense so I think calling yourself just A SOMALI really make sense. by the way I am not saying that Africans are ugly because I don't want say anything about Allah's creation.PEACE
+Nabiyaha Cabdi "Black" is a term used when identifying one's race. "Somali" is a term used to identify ethnically or nationalistically. They are not mutually exclusive. You should ask yourself why your need to distance yourself from blackness/being seen as black is so unrelenting...why is it so important to distinguish yourself from other black people besides being nationalistically proud of being Somali?
I understand what your trying to say but what I want to ask you is, are you telling me that Somalis are 100% africaans ?do all Somalis look the same? I guess the answers are NO because "Somali bantu" looks so different from the other Somalis especially "xamarcadcad" and that means Somali bantus look more like west africaans ,so basically if your Somali bantu you have more chances to be black or consider yourself as ''BLACK'' than a xamarcadacad person, so do you think you can just call all Somalis ''BLACK'' just because of your look? me being Somali is very special to me and by FACT I know that I am not 100% africaan, so if I already know that I am mixed with other races than BLACK why would I follow just my BLACK side instead of both? that is what makes me SOMALI I am from a mixed RACE and I am proud of being Somali.the why Somalis consider themselves as BLACK OR ARAB is because of what is happening in Somalia or how much they hate their own people which consider as SELFHATE. I love all Somalis who are proud to be Somalis just like ME and I hate the white WASHED ones or balck WASHED one. END OF STORY
Imperialism/colonialism has made it that almost all people on the continent are of mixed ethnicities --- African-Americans are of mixed ethnicities as well because of slavery. That is not the point. I think what you are speaking on is colorism ie. the way people look. You can be light-skinned or appear more Arab than pure African black but regardless, racially you are considered black. The only point I'm trying to make is that there is nothing wrong with embracing all sides of your heritage but you must be careful of that not be anti-blackness rhetoric or mentality.
if you already know that your mixed then why is it so hard for you to understand that you are mixed. the reason why some Somalis consider themselves as BLACK is because they want to be called THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AFRICAANS but actually their mixed.
Somalis are a mixture of peoples. Somalis have been involved in trade with different people over centuries and that means people intermarried and that is how we are! You cannot say you are fully black or fully Arab! You are Somali from Africa! Just like Sudanese and Mauritanians etc Af Somali in itself is almost 60% Arabic and you cannot just say they are loan words due to our interactions with Arabs. I think we should just be happy to say we are Somalis from Africa!
+Jam Weezeh 60%? are you confusing Swahili with Somali? Somali is well preserved. I think there are almost as much Persian influence on Somali as Arabic.
gdv I think 50-60% is a good estimate of how many arabic words are in our vocabulary. I dont think we can speak one full sentence without there being an arabic word. The same with swahili but Swahili is almost towards 80% arabic.
Jam Weezeh umm .. yes you can. the total Vocabulary that's Arabic in origin are not more than 1000 words and it's mostly name of things like "Albab" "Digaag" "Qalin" etc.... just objects no penetration into the language like in Swahili, Turkish etc Our poetry preserved our language extremely well. we even have words for the stars and planets!! go do your research sxb
Our language is more close to the Oromo language spoken in Ethiopia than Arabic. Have u ever seen an Oromo person speaking af Oromo wallahi you will think it is broken Somali
Yup Somalia never enslaved people but Bantu peoples from Tanzania were brought as slaves from their lands by Arabs. We had nothing to do with it. Then they had jobs like maids or housekeepers, granted they were treated by shit, and are still this day called derogatory term like "Midgan" and other evil things. But we had nothing to with slavery. Not about that live.
LeadersNotFollowers that's another bullshit again. Somali bantus were always there in somalia. Nobody brought them. They are as native as others. But there were Number of people who fled the situation in their country tanzania but that's different different story.
lilkane momo . Yup cuz the left their lands and stumbled upon ours. For what reason is not like the Ethic Somali treat them kindly. What happened to them in their home to come Somali people's land. Just curious, that's all.
Slavery was a common thing in Africa back then it wasn’t just Somalis who were involved. Many ethnic groups across Africa including Bantus were enslaving other black people. This is what happens when you talk on topics you know nothing about. You act like it was only Somalia when nearly every country in Africa had slaves.
M tried of reading comments and I don't get my answer 🌙 if we are not African what we are i asked even my family were Somali from and they hve no idea but I called my self African but ather people asked that if m mixed or what
Queen booq whether you know it or not you r making a mockery of allah when you make those dismissive statements to halimo for example by saying pray for us or save us halimo basically making light of Allahs diin
The very last legal slaves imported to South Africa by the Dutch East India company were Somali, look it up, it's a fact, and as far as slavery has been do you really think NO SOMALI has ever been enslaved, not meaning present day non-payment in the Arab world, there was no LINE don't enslave past this imaginary line, the Arabs had a don't enslave fellow muslim but believe you me the Dutch East India company had no such promise, it is just a thing Somali tell themselves as a sense of pride but it's false pride because there have been Somali and Ethiopian slaves, imported to India, etc. I am a proud Jareer and know African both West, East and South African cultures, Africa has the most diverse people on the planet, Khoikhoi look nothing like West African and are much lighter skinned and since THEY are the original African what does that say?
am somali "black " BT if you see me am like a white lady ,alxamdulilah am Muslim Somali ,I don't care what people say about my background.this is me 'who Iam
+FayJ Jama you know some somalis are sick and really obsessed with lighter complexions I know many somalis here who use whitening creams I myself am naturally light skinned and I don't feel like lighter tons are better than darker ones
I am Somali-Norwegian and I´ve had norwegians straight up telling me that Somali people were better looking than other africans and that we are good looking people. Most of the time I don´t know what to say.... I like compliments but not when they bring down other people.
+Farhia Jamac you are right, but Norwegians are not same as americans or english people. They are not used to foreigners. But sometimes they tell me that they can tell I am Somali because Somali people are tall, slim and beautiful people:)
+Farhia Jamac I agree that I live in Holland they say the same thing
+Farhia Jamac No, West Africans are not beautiful. Stop the pc shit.
Bm j the woman.....for sure not the men.....Somalian forehead is not that beautiful lol
Mayyy What point are you trying to make? Petty talk
This discussion was extremely disappointing and problematic. Nobody on the panel engaged the young viewer's letter intellectually or with tact. This was a great opportunity to highlight how so many communities of color are ingrained with white supremacist mentalities where there is a desperate need to disassociate or attempt to separate oneself from any markers of blackness. Instead, the discussion continued to perpetuate the problematic and racist notions of the white Western world: "we are cultured...we have adeeb." As opposed to what? African-Americans not having any culture or refinement? There is a difference between having nationalistic pride and having a (racist) superiority complex. Any response in this discussion should have began with distinguishing between race and ethnicity. They aren't mutually exclusive folks. You can be Somali and black.
And is anybody going to acknowledge that this young viewer is suffering from self-hatred and how to combat that? She occupies a world that negatively portrays her community and instead of acknowledging that, we're blaming the victim and calling her "stupid"?
I think this show is a great idea and I don't want to knock anyone for being innovative and creating...but if you want to build viewership, you need to put more care into its production. Like..can we get some competent panelists -- how were any of these panelists qualified to speak on this subject? Maybe consider rehearsing beforehand, less off the cuff? And can we call out problematic/offensive statements? Because I took some serious offense to some of the statements that were made (and it seemed so did ya'll but didn't call it out...)
Sheeko Sheeko has potential but needs serious work. This was a trainwreck.
Let me just say that I went to Somali last year and never heard of having “jareer” maids or workers. Most of the maids are Somali and they work because they need the money to feed their family and they get treated as though they’re apart of that family and they eat the same food and sometimes they give them an extra room to sleep when there done with their chores
Majority of maids are jareer in xamar, that's a fact.
This little girl is just going through identity crises. She will grow up out of it and accept the fact that she's Somali. OR she will try her best to dosassociate with her identity. Either way I hope she finds her happiness.
SICK GIRL REALLY AINT NOBODY GONNA ACCEPT YOU IF YOU DONT DO IT YOURSELF WALLAHI ALSO WHEN SHE SAID THAT SHE DIDNT WEAR HEADSCARF WAS QUITE SHOCKING TO BEHONEST
I went through it and now im the proudest somali lol. Its a phase
+james willis why is it shpcking that she doesnt wear hijab? she's not the only one who does it these days.
I swear they are taking a little insecure 16 year old girl way too serious, we all been there, you grow up and learn to love yourself and your people. This should even be a sheeko sheeko yawn.
The reason why Somalis should not accept the term Black is very simple. Yes, of course we are Africans, BUT the term Black is generally used by Western Society to subjugate the diversity of African people. It is a term that is connected to people who do not know their background (i.e. Those who were enslaved by Whites). We know our background! We have a history! We are Somalis, not a generic term called Black. The same reason why a Nigerian shouldn't accept the term also!
+Cushitic Man your opinion on the word "black" although it has some appreciable value, all your doing is feeding into the perception that the world "black" is negative portrayal when it's obviously not, it's a quality we should embrace. I am a Somali and also consider myself black, simply put, you can be black and have a heritage of your own
+Topboss there is no such thing as black.
We are African and Somali period . Black means african , black people should consider themselves as Africans first before we Somalis call ourselves black.
Black is not a race it's social construct made by white people.
KUSHITIC WONDERING Couldn’t have said it better myself, thank you!!
I understand your point, but bare in mind that who defines the "race" is the "racist"...
The girl in the hijab has the cutest voice ever!
aww my God yes her voice is soo sensational aint lying 😍😍 i want her to be my sister in law😉😊😄
+Menooy22 Nah, I would go with the exposed one. But, I'm an Atheist, so Hijab is not something I look into.
+Somali-American Atheist you turned your back on Islam? you will undoubtedly regret it. good luck
hell no. her voice is so annoying
@@lin6720 I'm so glad I'm not the only one that found her hella annoying. Her over repetitive use of religious jargon also added to the irritation. Christ, she can't go without 5 seconds without mentioning something religious.
People are naturally comfortable with others who share their cultural norms. The tendency to identify with one’s people or nation is something Allah has placed in human nature and He has made it a reason for people to get to know each other. Allah has also told us that the superiority one person might have over another is based on that person’s character, moral fibre, and piety, not race or ethnicity.
On the Day of Judgment, our ethnic origins will mean nothing. Allah says: “And when the trumpet is blown, on that day there will be no kinship among them, nor will they ask of one another.” [Sūrah al-Mu’minūn: 101]
+Yaqoub Hussein Perfect.
Mekonen S There are muslims all over the globe brother
To the presenter: I have been spending considerable of time in Somaliland in recent years, 6-10 months at a time, 'Jareer' and 'dhagax' as house maids? There is no such thing, certainly not now, and never historically (except really isolated cases). Housemaids were and mostly still are poor girls who come from the countryside. I highly suspect the same goes for puntland, and central regions of Somalia, I don't know about the rest.
I don't like the word nor should it describe people of colour, the Origin of that word is from slavery. We Africans are kings and queens let's not use this derogatory/ demonizing word.
I, myself, consider my self as pure African who originated from Africa. The issue with some Somalis is that they think there superior and or better than others. What is key to know your fellow human being, have respect tolerance and no prejudice.
How can somalus think they are better than Africans? Do they lack a conscience?
it's so crazy these somali people on this panel don't think their features are "typical african" features... as if the entire continent of Africa has one type cast instead of a multitude of diverse ethnic kind of people with varying features..... wild.
***** honestly.... it's almost cringe worthy....
It’s so fucking cringey lol Somalis think they are the only beautiful people in Africa, what a joke.
Sabrina Adam Somalis Ethiopian and Eritreans look beautiful
@@sabrinaadam3701 now you sound a hater
first somali convo where they didn't use walahi. Congratulations.
Lol
+Samatar Mohamed i letterly lol'ed
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+1ちな you should not use God's name in vain
im not somali but I really like these videos. Iman is my favorite
***** california
it baffles me when people say we don't have African features. ummm ya we do. we have East African features. I like how the host specified, ya we don't have West African features. let's acknowledge how huge and diverse Africa is. A South African looks different than a Rwandese person just like they look different from a person who is from Sierra Leone who looks different than a Ghanaian. Somalis are the natives of the region and we always looked this way. We're the descendants of the Nubians and our DNA is close to pure. Attributing our features to Arabs bc they're the closest nation...what? no they're not. how about the other African nations bordering our country are the closest? Let's get this right, our beauty is ours - it's East African so let's not give credit to Arabs where it's not due. we look better. also, we are the motherland and if anything, they have our features. and if you've read up on studies of Somali DNA, it's been found that we are ancestors to the people of a few nations who have the closest DNA make-up to us. Including some in Europe. So...you're welcome world.
Don't ever say Black people have no culture. Rap music soul food dance hairstyles black culture exists in is very vivid in America /Canada
There is not a single west African, let alone a west African maid living in somalia. I don't where you get this information from.
Bantu people live in Somalia.
West Africans are not Bantu.
+Carl Marx 1) West Africans are Bantu.
" Current scholarly understanding places the ancestral proto-Bantu homeland in West Africa near the present-day southwestern border of Nigeria and Cameroon c. 4,000 years ago (2000 B.C.), and regards the Bantu languages as a branch of the Niger-Congo language family."
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples
2) How the hell do you know there are no West Africans as maids - even if we don't include Somali-Bantu's? Do you know what is being objective is?
+Don Rider we Africans have a long road ahead of us, we need to love our people east or west. god bless africa.
+Don Rider we Africans have a long road ahead of us, we need to love our people east or west. god bless africa.
Can we get more Halima's. MashAllah.Iman, what makes you think other black people don't have a "culture"? Just because their dhaqan (Culture) is different from ours doesn't make them cultureless, or lack edheb and xishood. Smh
***** The question was not about Somali contribution to society, rather I was calling out Iman for denouncing black culture as non existent. You just helped me further prove my point. Not too sure what you were trying to get at..
+serenesista Yup, lol. That was exactly my point. I also can see where you're coming from with us Somalis having a superiority complex, which is also BTW discussed in the video. :)
The way halima talks is so poetic.
Can I just say shout out to the group here you guys all have your heads on right. You get and understand todays somali youth. These older people may Allah bless them need to start to understand we are in need of a huge change to our ways to get us back on top. The light is at the end of the tunnel we just have to see through the mirage.
To address the comment made that "Black people do not have a culture." I think first you need to understand what a culture is. Cultural is created when multiple people come together, this creates a sort of social interaction/dynamic/norms etc. African Americans and many other black people who were enslaved were stolen from their nations and cultures . But you have to realize is that when black people regardless of their backgrounds were held together they created a social dynamic that was unique to them because they had something in common ; there blackness and the struggles that came with it . This culture is music, clothing , speaking style, fashion and the shared black struggle/journey. So to say that black people do not have a culture is not only incorrect but not possible . Human beings by default create cultures in the communities and the environment they are around . How can a group of people with a common struggle/journey and back ground over a period of hundred years not have a culture? It is not humanly possible
I hated Iman’s comments about black Americans having no culture. Explain hip hop, soul food, African American vernacular english, R&B and literally every popular music genre in the west that people consume the most.
Mannnnn, Halimo is so well spoken and humble. Mash Allah Sister Halima keep advising these girls that have weak mentality and there self hate is taking over all their senses.
If you don’t have strong self awareness of your ethnicity, culture, history and religion you WILL see only the negative in your culture because for the first time you’re exposed to outsiders View of you and you internalise and believe that. When you’re in your own country people only see the best and area we want to improve they don’t say “were bad people, or our culture is bad”. There is good and bad in every culture. If you hate yourself, culture or race look inward and examine why you feel that way b4 projecting that to your community and saying we should be ashamed.
One fun fact there is country in Africa called Sudan ( the meaning of that word is black). Even some Sudanese don't consider themselves to be black and that baffles my mind as well.
+Yaqoub Hussein YES! exactly why this conversation needs to be had within our community.
Sudanese arw not black, they are Arabs.
+Carl Marx next your gonna tell me the sky is red.
+Yaqoub Hussein Africans do not consider mixbreeds like Sudanese arabs as black.
For us African is African and mixed is mixed. Do not confuse the two.
Please don't ever get rid of halimo she is the most sane and clear headed thinker .wise beyond her years Mashallah
Wtf... that intro was so long I started thinking this was a music video lmfao
the whole argument on whether we are black is soooo stupid. we are black, and one of the oldest black groups in Africa (we came before west African groups which has been proven) . furthermore there are many different types of black ethnic groups in Africa. yes we look different to west Africans but if everyone hasn't noticed, south African people look different to west Africans ect WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. there isn't one type of black and im guessing in America because the black Americans are of west African heritage they see the west African look and assume that what makes you "black" WHICH IS WRONG. i think people need to educate themselves on how diverse Africa is. we have all hair types, all hair colours, all eye colours, all shades of brown skin tones. AFRICA IS MORE THAN WEST AFRICA.
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masha Allah you got it right. Even though Some west Africans like Guinea-Bissau look a lot or much better looking than Somalis. Beauty is in All of Africa.
I agree with u ikram that's one true story
+Don Rider 😂😂😂 its like a cloud of negativity and hate is consuming you. You need to seek professional help, you'll feel much better.
No matter where ever we came from wether we are Arabicians or Africians the main point is we are somalis and I my self am proud to be part with uncountable Never disgrace
There's no west Africans who live and got enslaved in Somalia. Jareer is one of Somali clans called Beesha Jareer Wayne and they are not slaves to anyone. Since they are one of the most peace loving clans in Somalia, they have faced a lot of subjugation and human rights violations by other major Somali clans but that does not make them slaves and no body treats them like one. But if you talking about where they were from originally, some historians say, they might be originally from Tanzania but there no concrete evidence which shows that. Similarly, researches point out that even other Somali clans migrated to Horn of Africa. To conclude Somali itself is a diverse nation let alone Africa and blacks who deny us our African ancestry are lame and they need to learn some history. The word black carries a diverse community including Asians. India, China, Philippine, Indonesia etc, have black communities but they are Asian geographically speaking and black racially.
Black is too general and it has many shades and features, so if you see someone who reserves blackness to certain group of people, just tell them to do some research and learn more about their race
+Mickey Conzalles Why are you involved with African issues
@To-Bi Fit..... No one copied anyone, a email question was sent it...she probably sent it to both channels ..looking for more than one opinion.. People are allowed to ask more than one person for advice...
I think it's important to make the distinction that Somalis do not purely marginalize just west Africans with terms such as "madow" and "jareer" but also Europeans and white people with terms like "cadan'" and "dofar" its always just a case of us against them more than racism, even though I do not condone such name calling towards anyone we naturally have this mentality of we are the best and to an extent I do not find much wrong with that because we pride ourselves on mostly religion before nationalism, and half the world hates us anyway but we do note care and stick together which is great. Personally madow and cadan simply mean black and white and I do not find either of them remotely offensive to use to describe people.
+Ricko Sibora madow is not term for racism madow means the color black and jareer weyne is somali tribe it is not used to oppress or discriminate anybody what you guys discussing is long gone history it is not in use in somalia right now it is exits in the minds of somali kids raised in the west and online
this person ricko is probable a somali girl because only somali girls think the word "madow" is racist term she is crazy madow simply means black it is not used for racism
***** I seriously hate how you people have created a culture of hate for us on the internet. now people think we're some kind of Arab level racists who hate other black people.
Ask an older Bantu Somali how their life was in Somalia before the war, what will they say? they freaking loved Somalia. They started having problems only in recent times like any other Somalis.
stop ruining our image and making us look bad and creating enemies for us. we live amongst Bantus in East Africa and we love them.
gaaju haggy yes i've noticed it's mostly the girls that have extreme self hate. what is wrong with them?
The president of JL is called Axmed Madoobe meaning Ahmed the black. is that racist? I have really curly hair almost nappy because I have some Xabashi ancestry and people call me jareer all the time.
these people. they are doing everything they can to make us look racist and hateful. Now you see how everyone on the internet hates us!! ishh
my friend i grew up in mogadishu especially waabari district and it is majority jareer people i have never experienced or seen jareer being treated any different than regular somali people people will say those jareer family or that jareer person but not in bad way just that was their name there is no racism or hate for jareer people in somalia it is made up propaganda. mostly westernized somali women love to spread wrong information about somalia and that we are the most racist people in the world so they can relate with african americans or black Europeans our girls will do anything to get the attention of black people they degrade the somali people and call them names for calling other people names they are confused girls
What you have to understand is that terms such as 'black' and 'somali' or 'arab' are very abstract. What I've learned during my study cultural anthropology is that people use those terms to identify people faster and try to put people into boxes. What you consider as 'black' , someone else might view it very differently. What the Somali community is facing for numeral of years is an identity crisis of some sort and that is very unfortunate.
+Ayan Hoda other africans call us african black and we call them african and black how is it offensive when we say african waaye madow waaye we calling them what they call us
+gaaju haggy there's nothing wrong with it, it's just the fact that most of the somalis use it in a derogatory manner terms such as 'jareer' we're all Africans and black
Jareer is not derogatory term it is somali tribe name. And you don't know people's intentions when they say that word because when the jareer community call themselves that name openly are you gonna stop them and say don't call yourselves derogatory names you gonna look stupid whats derogatory is and racist when west Africans call Somalis big forehead people that's what I find offensive and racist term but I'm sure it makes you laugh and joke about your people because according to you world other people always have good intentions but somali people no matter how innocent it is what they say its always with bad intention because they are somali
+gaaju haggy PREACH!
Many of those self hatred Somali females need to switch up real quick and look after their identity and communities first and foremost. But these girls are like a lost speed boat in the Atlantic Ocean. Quick to make a move but lost as fuxk!! Smh sad wallahi.
i wish they all just move to west africa since they love to identify with them
that is disgusting. you are trying to pass knowledge when you need it yourself.. talking about west Africans like they are bellow you wont make you any better it actually proves the a opposite!! the girl who sent the email should be ashamed if this is you way of thinking yall.. she has every right to be ashamed
why you so hurt for?
Bez29 Ethiopians are our East African brothers. Their struggle is ours.
these is really good program, i would like to see more of it, thanks for this hilarious job u done for our people.
There is a whole tribe called jareerweyn and they are proud somalis the word jareer can be used derogatory bits it’s not a derogatory word
Yo....... Hey back on the grind #pushforward # striveforgreatness..-23
can someone please tell me what the name of the song at end is?
I just spotted you. I enjoy your show! You are awesome! Keep up the wonderful work!
Africa is not a race but it is an area or continent. Somalis are cushetic in race and very origional i.e they did not come from an other area like Arabia. Somalis look like other cushetic nations. Yes, it is true Somalis used to be very proud by tradition and they used to look down all other races including Eurs, Asians/Arabs and Bantus. If somebody hates that proudness is up to him.
+Ricko Sibora: as far as I know Somalis don't hate people at all instead they show good hospitality.
I know you're going off the cuff for the most part in these conversations, but I think it's important to show a bit more tact and sensitivity when touching on some of these issues. I found some of the jokes to be rather cringe-worthy. Otherwise, interesting view-points from the panelists and an important conversation to have in the Somali community.
I think Somalis blur the lines between what is their ethnicity and race. We bulk the 2 very different characteristics into one and acknowledge our Somali ethnicity but refuse to acknowledge our very visual blackness. When society looks at us, we are not automatically labeled as Somali but first labeled as black. And even within this initial labeling we correct them and announce our Somali ethnicity. This also creates this fictional hierarchy where even if we are labeled as being black or associated with blackness then we explain how different we are from stereotypical blacks naming features and physically varying attributes we know as being unique to east Africa. From my knowledge, in Somali itself the concept of 'racism' is a harder concept to grasp because this idea of being black isn't taught to them and doesn't affect them directly. When you grow up your whole life being told you're 'Somali' and never being told that you are black you begin to dissociate yourself from the race.
+Bahja Ibrahim so society dictates who we are and who we are not?
i think this is the best response to this topic thehornofhumanity.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/youre-not-really-black/
Why would Somali's grow up being taught we are black? Black race didn't exist in Somali culture, heck even in all of Africa there was no concept of a black race. Our grandparent back home would never use the word black to describe other Africans, they would say Jareer or use the tribe name if they had one. Then the white man came and colonised the continent and now all of a sudden we must bow to white social constructs of race. I'm sorry, I was not taught I was black and I do not accept the social construct of a black race. You sound eloquent and educated but you are ignorant if you think that Somali's not accepting 'blackness' is a problem. We accept the blackness of our skin, you hear it in our poems and folk story, so no, we do not reject 'blackness' as you put it.
I'm so done with these SJW xalimos who want to talk on behalf of Somali culture but know nothing about it.
Bahja Ibrahim well said
Can someone please tell the Somali song at the end of the video? Thanks in advance. Fadlan. :)
I am somali.. unique and different from the rest of Africans. period!
I love you guys wallahi you guys are deep SUCH a refreshing view from other Somali youtube because you're not about light hearted funny stuff but about intelligent conversation
I do for so many reasons. We are poor, we have dark skinned people, we have very curly hair. Curly hair is beautiful, but not everyone knows how to take care of it. And I know Somalis are lazy, so I am ashamed of my people, because they don't take care of their hair or merely cover it with a hijab.
And we sometimes look good sometimes look ugly especially with long lips and long forhead (i have a long forhead too) or because of weird face shape.
I hate also how lots of us have uneven skin tone, and the Somalis don't want to solve it! Too lazy + they don't care + they think they can't afford it.
I also hate how everyone, everyone is hijabi even the beautiful ones. Why! We want to silence those who say Somalis are ugly and prove otherwise.
And Somalia probably isn't a safe or good place to live in. And even if it was, we like foreign countries more cuz they are better.
Also, it embarrassing that we don't have a common language (us youngsters). Some speak fluent English and a little bit of somali. Some speak fluent Arabic, some french, Italian, etc.
So if they meet, it will be a disaster cuz no one understands each other.
This is so embarrassing.
In the Uk Somalis are quite hated, I heard its different in Canada
+Maya depends on where in Canada, I myself know Somalians are hated here in Ottawa, on
somalis earned respect in canada. uk somalis get pushed around lol
More Like Canadian Somalis lost their daqaan, with their women being strippers and prostitutes in Toronto
I live in London and know one hates Somali most people love them I don’t know where you got this information but it’s wrong
Who knows the name of the Somali song at the end?? Please
Who is lady hosting da show ...why she is hiding her self
+wali guled
i was asking myself the same question.
+AHMUSA ...I Guess she aint hot lol but she sounds good behind da camera ...
That what always my family say we are not black we are arab but we are truly black lool I don’t really get it till now what our old parents mean that but I understood that they didn’t have a knowledge about what they saying
Mashkoor Zak Somalis who say they are not black is no different than us AA or afro caribbeans who say they are not African.
Firstly love what u guys are doing only just started watching your talk show great work guys 👏🏽
Now to comment on this segment
I think this young girl is very much influenced by Non-Somali's, I can semi understand her point of view and I honestly believe that she is influenced to an extent because ajanibis non Somali these people make us question ourselves, why are u so light/dark, why is your hair so soft/hard. By being surrounded by your people u get an understanding of who You are where your from, all the different Somalis, being around one another gives u an inside experience of different Somali ppl. Somali/ African we are very proud of who we are regardless of how much we dislike certain things in our culture/tradition the things we dislike are also the things we admire.
"WE ARE NOT BLACK, WE'RE ARAB..." Hahahahah I laugh because it is true and to try n defend those who say I'd say they deny being black because what it stands for today in the world we live in unfortunately
LOOOOOL she is definitely not from north london. we black and proud
lmao at features and hair texture. There are many other countries in Africa that have similar features. They're still considered African and they damn well consider themselves African.
Africans are more genetically diverse than the rest of the world combined. This means that the further away from Africa you go, the less genetically diverse populations are. This also means that two Africans might have less in common - genetically than an African and a European because European genetics aren't as diverse. So looks and skin colour dont mean a DAMN thing at the end of the day. The sooner we look at ppl as ppl the better off we'll be.
I’m sorry but the people on this panel are not very well educated on the phenotypes of Africa. This is what the girl was talking about, Somalis think they are the only beautiful Africans lol and they are not. They are just the only people who degrade themselves in western countries trying desperately to fit in and yet pretend to be better then other Africans. Have you ever heard of Hausa? Or any other tribe of Africans with features that you like which let’s be real are because they are more on line with western beauty standards? Also the “slaves” in Somalia were not West Africans they were from Zanzibar. There was so much posturing,
misinformation & lack of intellectual curiosity in this clip it amazes me. I am not ashamed to be Somali but I am repulsed by the ignorance of our people.
actually east africa was not the originator of what it means to be black, it was europe, greece to be precise. africans use their tribe/ethnicity to label ourselves, using the colour of our hair is a new thing.
True, then when something happens they blame Somali men.
I love this show😊 keep it up guys
Me too
hey this is one of my fave series will there be more episodes , love from Manchester UK.
I dont think we have jareer house maids in Hargeisa or Muqdisho but people with West African features are looked down and mainly out of ignorance.
Yall should just stop making videos
I’d like to discuss some Somalis who don’t consider themselves African or even black I’ve heard some cases in London where I live.
It is unfortunate that the belief by Somalis that they are "superior" than "Africans" is what has eventually led to their own downfall as a country, and it is ironic that countries like Kenya, where Somalis consider to be "African black" countries, are offering refuge to Somalis! God's plan!
I hope u know the downfall of Africa was caused by colonization and other Africans sold us out lol.
@@Tb-gz4qt Who are "Other Africans?" Sometimes you should see the positive side of colonization. For example, without colonization, I am sure all native Kenyans would still be living in forests as barbaric savages and hunters and gatherers just like their ancestors did for millions of years. But coloniozation and missionary activity brought about civilization, better healthcare, low infant mortality, and the competitiveness that Kenyans and other Africans enjoy on the global stage. That is not to say, however, that colonial powers did not try to suppress and oppress Africans in concentration camps.
One question I would like to ask is that Sudan is classed as Arab even though they are black
she really said black people don't have culture???????!!!??!?!?
+Layla Hush yes I hope that is more along the lines of what she meant. Because the way she said it sounded extremely ignorant. I hope she can make more informed statements moving forward considering she is on this platform.
That is ignorant and close minded to say. I bet she think she is right. Sometimes close minded somalis talk like they in the third reich.it is talks like this is why Rwanda got messed up.
No one compares to us. .. don't let foreigners decide who we are.... btw the original arabs and children of Israel looked like us.. study ...
the host is kind annoying. second, jereeer people are not west African. they are from tanzania most of them. thirdly, somalis dont have to level them selves as black or arab. there are different shades of somalis, the main stream somalis(light skin or dark skin), the somali arab, the somali shaanshi who look like arabs but only speak somali, the somali bantu, the barawani and ect. Lastly, we dont need other people to tell us who we are and we dont need to belong to any category of race. be proud of being somali. Dont let other black people who are suffering inferiority complex to bring you down or racist whites. Allah created humans different mads. Choose kind, great human beings in your life no matter what country or continent they come from. by the way, just because you are from africa that does not mean you are automatically black. Almost half of africa is resided by arabs, amaseq and nubians.
Thank you, you're smart!
Somalis need to get it right omg. The so called enslaved and maids aren't west africans but bantus. There aren't any bantus in West Africa lmao.
Who cares they all look alike
+Rihanna nasir riya And it matters because idiot Somalia are telling history wrong. The slaves came from Tanzania and Mozambique.
Ant rip duh I only said that West africans and bantus have similar features
Rihanna nasir riya Not really you can tell them apart
Ant rip okay whatever it's just that they're somehow related
I hate and love at the same time walahi.., for me, I am always being told to do something for the Somali ppl and help them but at the same time when I have like 7 siblings in house living with me and mind u they aren't kids anymore I still have to go to the kitchen and cook for them plus working and studying full time, I am always being told that I am useless and a shame to the family when I pay almost half my siblings fees and got 2 full scholarships from my uni ..., I like the supporting part but walahi by the end of the day all I can remember is the derogatory terms my family used, and it's not just my mom and dad the uncles and aunties who call whenever they want money...., I am 20 years old this year and I am gonna graduate from uni in 2023 Jan all I am looking forward to is to get my own place near my family and have a place where I can calm my mind down and support them whenever they need help. feeling like a prisoner in my own house has always been the case for me and gurlllll i swear I am gonna work soo hard (for me) that they won't have any more options but to let me be inshallah :)
I hope you graduated walal, I’m sorry for your experiences growing up, I too feel a little bad as to how much chores I put on my sisters and wish I was more fair. I’m sorry for you pain. Please, forgive your parents/siblings if you can. Not all parts of our culture is good. But we’re trying ❤
we are not arab we are black
We are Somali not fucking jareer
This world is full of diversity but as a Somali it is really hard to formally explain with peer reviewed evidence, our situation. there are black Indians,Arabs or other Asians like some philipinos are black in Asia. the worst part is that i have not come across any written form of history as to how we came about as 'SOMALI' like a whole new ethnicity in of itself that has one language , which is really some MYSTICAL SHIT , given that we were colonised as a nation buy three different countries and have the same religion . i mean why cant we speak arabic or other Bantu languages just like our neighbors in Kenya, Tanzania which by the way both had Arab influence just like we did. Mzambique which is also a coastal country had influence too but you dont see them speaking the same language and all have the same religion. if we were as enthusiastic about this the same way we are about the romans or the persian empires the conspiracies sorounding this subject would be over whelming but then again we are Somali and we generally DONT GIVE A SHIT. i personally feel like we are blessed that we are very very comfortable i our skin with exception of some wannabe s ALAXAMDULILLAH for that but we need to make the world aware of this proud ethnicity we all call SOMALI. .......
wow will I believe to be proud black somalian. ....I never said am Arabs 😑
Right we ain't Arabs
This conversation is meaningless Somalis are black with different features. I hate to break to you not all black look like each other that's the police excuse "i couldn't tell he matched the suspect"
Stop hating on police.
+HANIIID
Fuck the police
West african are not bantu because west african extremely diverse that some ethnic groups that have Caucasian features mbororo fulani,tibu,tuareg,shuwa arabs
what's the song at the end of the video?
I'm sorry but you guys sound very ignorant on this subject. The Somali Bantus that you're referring to are not West Africans at all, but are natives to regions in east africa, and some in southern somalia. It is actually somalis who migrated down from the north. And the fact that you make light of your aunt's comments, saying that they were humorous at the time is really telling tbh.
+Yasmin Bantus are not native to anywhere near Somali stop lying. the only native are bajun and the live in the extreme South. Somalia always belonged to cushites and the Somalia migration fro the North replaced other Cushites not Bantus
hold on guys so you tell me that "Africans are the originator of what it means to be black" you know is like you saying Egyptian, Sudanese and Libyan people are black because they're also located Africa
Man Shaa Allah Halimo abayo truly said it well very impressive
LMAO that girl who wrote that email is too much. girl just claim that you're ethiopian or eritrean problem solved.
Its a deeper problem than that
Lmaoo, right
First of all you guys are great i love your programs and please do invite back halima jama she is amazing mashallah i bet her parents are so proud of her very articulate and polite girl..
One more thing please send me your email..
I need a whole episodes..
That's sad story, True is story I just moved here to Boston, and met this Somalia fella in the train station we start talking about lots of subject, and what he does his free time and is response was I don't hangout with Somali with fuck that suppose to mean?
if you haven't lived in Somalia and a western country this video wouldnt make as much sense as it does for me.
Black people have always been multi black in terms of physical differences!
Why are you copying Ayan Hersi?? This is exactly the same video with the same title she made on her channel, very sad and disrespectful to be honest.
+To-Bi Fit I saw that video I few weeks ago. I feel like this girl who wrote the letter is a troll. LOL. Kinda feel sorry for her.
EDIT: Wait ....she wrote to both channels. They showed the letter in the video. They can't be copying if this chic wrote to both channels. SMH
somebody please tell me the name of song at the start.
+abdikheir osman "Musfasa" by Amaal Nuux
+SHEEKOSHEEKO can I have your email so I can tell you something that I'm fascinated about and proud but anyways you will know when I send you the email and maybe you'll use it as a topic . hope to have a answer from you soon x
Sorry for the delayed response. Email us at sheekosheeko24@gmail.com
wa "Fuuto uur" Beyonce.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I am Somali and I don't consider myself a BLACK nor an arab. I know that my ancestors were mixed of middle eastern and east African so why would I denied my other half and called myself a BLACK? if I took my DNA test today I know that I am not going to be 100% African which is why I don't consider myself a BLACK. I know that some Somali people called themselves Niggas or arabs because of how they look, for example light skin Somalis like "XAMARCADCAD" they called themselves arabs and "SOMALIBANTU" called themselves BLACKS so who do you think is right or wrong ? we know hat Somalis look so different some are light and some are dark, so do you think its fair to call all Somalis black just because your dark? we Somalis have different ancestors we Somalis are not people from same mom and dad like everyone else some Somalis maybe 100% African and somae maybe10% African which is the reason why some Somalis called themeselves BLACK and some ARABS. we Somalis look so different from other Africans and that is why africans don't called Somalis Africans. Africans denied us when they want and they call us Africans when they have no prove that Africans are beautiful people they say were different types of Africans which makes no freaking sense so I think calling yourself just A SOMALI really make sense. by the way I am not saying that Africans are ugly because I don't want say anything about Allah's creation.PEACE
hi bro im from the uk i am half east African (Tanzanian) and Arab (Oman) and im light skinned but tbh im more proud of my African roots
+Nabiyaha Cabdi "Black" is a term used when identifying one's race. "Somali" is a term used to identify ethnically or nationalistically. They are not mutually exclusive. You should ask yourself why your need to distance yourself from blackness/being seen as black is so unrelenting...why is it so important to distinguish yourself from other black people besides being nationalistically proud of being Somali?
I understand what your trying to say but what I want to ask you is, are you telling me that Somalis are 100% africaans ?do all Somalis look the same? I guess the answers are NO because "Somali bantu" looks so different from the other Somalis especially "xamarcadcad" and that means Somali bantus look more like west africaans ,so basically if your Somali bantu you have more chances to be black or consider yourself as ''BLACK'' than a xamarcadacad person, so do you think you can just call all Somalis ''BLACK'' just because of your look? me being Somali is very special to me and by FACT I know that I am not 100% africaan, so if I already know that I am mixed with other races than BLACK why would I follow just my BLACK side instead of both? that is what makes me SOMALI I am from a mixed RACE and I am proud of being Somali.the why Somalis consider themselves as BLACK OR ARAB is because of what is happening in Somalia or how much they hate their own people which consider as SELFHATE. I love all Somalis who are proud to be Somalis just like ME and I hate the white WASHED ones or balck WASHED one. END OF STORY
Imperialism/colonialism has made it that almost all people on the continent are of mixed ethnicities --- African-Americans are of mixed ethnicities as well because of slavery. That is not the point. I think what you are speaking on is colorism ie. the way people look. You can be light-skinned or appear more Arab than pure African black but regardless, racially you are considered black. The only point I'm trying to make is that there is nothing wrong with embracing all sides of your heritage but you must be careful of that not be anti-blackness rhetoric or mentality.
if you already know that your mixed then why is it so hard for you to understand that you are mixed. the reason why some Somalis consider themselves as BLACK is because they want to be called THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AFRICAANS but actually their mixed.
7:44 have accents of Chinese women I feel she might be mix.
Why don't you list everybody social media?
Are u guys canadian??
The topic you guys are talking about is soo similar to another youtuber who is called Ayan Hersi!!!
Somalis are a mixture of peoples. Somalis have been involved in trade with different people over centuries and that means people intermarried and that is how we are! You cannot say you are fully black or fully Arab! You are Somali from Africa! Just like Sudanese and Mauritanians etc Af Somali in itself is almost 60% Arabic and you cannot just say they are loan words due to our interactions with Arabs. I think we should just be happy to say we are Somalis from Africa!
+Jam Weezeh 60%? are you confusing Swahili with Somali? Somali is well preserved. I think there are almost as much Persian influence on Somali as Arabic.
gdv I think 50-60% is a good estimate of how many arabic words are in our vocabulary. I dont think we can speak one full sentence without there being an arabic word.
The same with swahili but Swahili is almost towards 80% arabic.
Jam Weezeh umm .. yes you can. the total Vocabulary that's Arabic in origin are not more than 1000 words and it's mostly name of things like "Albab" "Digaag" "Qalin" etc.... just objects no penetration into the language like in Swahili, Turkish etc
Our poetry preserved our language extremely well. we even have words for the stars and planets!! go do your research sxb
Our language is more close to the Oromo language spoken in Ethiopia than Arabic. Have u ever seen an Oromo person speaking af Oromo wallahi you will think it is broken Somali
60% ? WOW, somali is not even classified as a semetic language.
WTF is the host talking about. we never had slaves.
Yup Somalia never enslaved people but Bantu peoples from Tanzania were brought as slaves from their lands by Arabs. We had nothing to do with it. Then they had jobs like maids or housekeepers, granted they were treated by shit, and are still this day called derogatory term like "Midgan" and other evil things. But we had nothing to with slavery. Not about that live.
LeadersNotFollowers that's another bullshit again. Somali bantus were always there in somalia. Nobody brought them. They are as native as others. But there were Number of people who fled the situation in their country tanzania but that's different different story.
lilkane momo . Yup cuz the left their lands and stumbled upon ours. For what reason is not like the Ethic Somali treat them kindly. What happened to them in their home to come Somali people's land. Just curious, that's all.
Dude, learn history. Bantus came as slaves to Somalia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantus_(Somalia)
Slavery was a common thing in Africa back then it wasn’t just Somalis who were involved. Many ethnic groups across Africa including Bantus were enslaving other black people. This is what happens when you talk on topics you know nothing about. You act like it was only Somalia when nearly every country in Africa had slaves.
M tried of reading comments and I don't get my answer 🌙 if we are not African what we are i asked even my family were Somali from and they hve no idea but I called my self African but ather people asked that if m mixed or what
Term paper due but I got no thesis...lmaoo, Ive been there many times!
May Allah have mercy on us. JUDGEMENT DAY IS NEAR.
omg my name is halima, BTW IMMA 8 YEAR OLD SOMALI
Queen booq whether you know it or not you r making a mockery of allah when you make those dismissive statements to halimo for example by saying pray for us or save us halimo basically making light of Allahs diin
The vast majority somalis are mixed arab and black just like some in north Africa due to centuries of arab invasion and aggression.
This is the Kind of dumb comment you would expect from an Adoon
Why queen Buuqs face is not seen ? Why does she hide herself in every episode.
Do you know the definition of an atom? Go back in chemistry. Atom is invisible and indestructible. That is how I explain her.
song name ?
The very last legal slaves imported to South Africa by the Dutch East India company were Somali, look it up, it's a fact, and as far as slavery has been do you really think NO SOMALI has ever been enslaved, not meaning present day non-payment in the Arab world, there was no LINE don't enslave past this imaginary line, the Arabs had a don't enslave fellow muslim but believe you me the Dutch East India company had no such promise, it is just a thing Somali tell themselves as a sense of pride but it's false pride because there have been Somali and Ethiopian slaves, imported to India, etc. I am a proud Jareer and know African both West, East and South African cultures, Africa has the most diverse people on the planet, Khoikhoi look nothing like West African and are much lighter skinned and since THEY are the original African what does that say?
You saying Jareer are not Somalis and are west africans
am somali "black " BT if you see me am like a white lady ,alxamdulilah am Muslim Somali ,I don't care what people say about my background.this is me 'who Iam
woah you're like white lady what kind of diana do you use
That might be true but when you broadcast as such, it makes sound like you have an inferiority complex.
+FayJ Jama you know some somalis are sick and really obsessed with lighter complexions I know many somalis here who use whitening creams I myself am naturally light skinned and I don't feel like lighter tons are better than darker ones