We haven't yet adjusted our old views of what Sydney is. Most of us are still stuck with 1950's vision. Greater Sydney's population centre is currently at about Rosehill, just a short distance from Parramatta, and its moving further west every year. Yet, we still think of the 'centre' of Sydney as being around Sydney Cove, and talk of Parramatta as 'in the West' whereas it's virtually its centre. IMHO Western Sydney doesn't really start until Westmead, and in many ways (especially culturally) the real West is virtually a different city from what's around the harbour. Western Sydney already has a larger population than the rest of Sydney, and is growing faster. From my viewpoint the most important Metro is the WSI Airport Metro. That's not only because it will service the airport, but because it forms a substantial and fast north-south transport spine right through the West; ultimately from Schofields to Macarthur (a distance similar from Circular Quay to well into the Blue Mountains.) Sure the WSI Metro will connect with the rest of Sydney, but its really about enhancing industry, employment, mobility and residential living in the West itself, just as the new airport is not Sydney's new airport, but Western Sydney's Airport. This is not to demean the connections between East and West. I think the "West" Metro from Hunter Street to Westmead is a great idea. It's a route with crowded transport and I'm all in favour of ensuring that people in the East have the opportunity to easily travel to the West to get better jobs, better education, better hospital facilities, better entertainment options, and meet more authentic people.
You've invited to hear what we think! Here it is: There needs to be a highlight on the HUGE stations and the HUGE benefit they will make to the life of every worker in the CBD. Even if you don't use the new trains or the new lines, most bus & train commuters will be walking through the amazing connections that are being built. I didn't appreciate this myself, until 2 or 3 months ago - they were doing free public tours by Sydney Metro. Victoria Cross (North Sydney) is my favourite, but the "underground cathedral" that connects Martin Place to Hunter Street (future Metro West) to Wynyard is also going to blow your mind. Side note: Stations are the major cost of any rail project. The fools in London Westminster (who pretended to be fiscal conservatives) cancelled most of their only major rail project outside London because they kept calculating the price per mile of railway distance. Stupidly, they had kept adding the cost of overdue station upgrades, from along the corridor, to the same project that they then kept blaming for blowing out. Lesson: Always dig in the detail. Meanwhile in Sydney: Together with the way George Street has become a place to BE instead of just a thing you use to get somewhere else, this is such an incredible improvement on the Sydney that the new government inherited in 2011. So many years of repeated announcements, cancellations, and new announcements from the previous Labor government. What happens to costs if you cancel? Spoiler alert: Everything costs more in the future. If you want a real shock, look up the price of a bridge or a freeway from the 1960s. A great website "MeasuringWorth" explains why inflation ain't inflation. Mel, gotta pick you up on some sloppy bits, sorry mate: 1:44 City & Southwest got split into two sections, so really the entire line from Northwest Hills District to Bankstown is now opening in three stages, not two. Next month the "city" part opens on August 4th. But you're right to be bullish about it. It's the most incredible part, and is all about being a world city. 2:15 Metro West completed in 2032, not 2030 2:36 fun fact, they're already here and running now - as of a few weeks ago, they began running every train all the way from the northwest to the city and Sydenham. The trains still kick you off at Chatswood like they have since 5 years ago, but instead of turning around, they now keep going. Just empty for testing. 3:02 this isn't "light rail", this is heavy rail. Light rail is basically trams, or modern trams. You can tell because it's lighter capacity, but technically it refers to the weight of the rail and the strength it has to carry lighter or heavier carriages. Never mind, really common mistake. Many people see Sydney Metro as a single decker and immediately think it's "light rail", getting confused probably because they're from Sydney where most heavy rail has upstairs, downstairs and 1,000 seats. 4:20 just curious, is "$1.16 million loss" basically 0%? "Is that a big number?" as they say. What percent is it, because it must be really tiny. Above 1%? 4:55 probably not the "original" report … there's been one like it every 10-15 years. Look up "Action For Transport 2010", from the 1990s of course. Ron Christie was probably the first person to publish saying we needed more rapid single-decker trains, but confusingly, the original "City Circle" underground line was developed by JJ Bradfield (designer of the Harbour Bridge) comparing directly to real global metro systems like London and New York. 5:21 they were elected in March 2011, not 2012. They changed the details after the election but had always promised to build the line from the northwest Hills District and add a new harbour crossing and underground stations to match capacity. 6:00 NOT TRUE - light rail totally eventuated in Circular Quay. Have a walk around to see. The trams all terminate there and turn around, then head back out to the south east. The CBD was totally transformed and George Street became a pleasure to walk on for the first time in 100 years. 8:05 "soon be finished" - stage 2 yes, but stage 3 to Bankstown, then probably the western airport line, then probably the Metro West line … but it should never be "finished". It should always be ongoing. After all, are we planning on closing Sydney to immigration? Err no! Bob Carr tried that in the 1990s with the big headline "Sydney Full", but trust me, you don't want a city that stops growing - visit the rust belt in America. It's not a question of if we grow, but how well we do it. There's plenty of money for everything if we don't waste it on "nothing" projects. Metro lines and stations are great assets!
brisbane needs something like this but our politicians are not willing enough to do it and would rather spend that money on road tunnels and olympic venues in the middle of nowhere
@@electro_sykes What are you on about, the cross river rail is nearly done and there are 8 years to the olympics. Brisbane need to do up the QEsc stadium because nobody cares if that gets demolished to be rebuilt and get on with getting ready for the Olympics so that you don't make Australia look bad. If you can't do that then hand them over to Sydney who can easily hold the Olympics in 2032.
People will complain about having to switch trains from line to line but this is exactly what happens in London, Chicago, Paris, New York, Barcelona, Madrid... Having ridden the metro and the speed of it all, i was very impressed and interchanges don't really tack on too much additional time to one metro journey when compared with the bi level double decker trains of the suburban lines.
Yep exactly, not immediately but also don't close down the teams who are currently working on the first projects - keep them rolling. That's why calling it a "$64 billion project" doesn't make sense - it's a continuous ongoing project for a city this size.
Airport metro to Glenfield is already under business case as a joint venture with the federal government. I believe it will be released this or next year then we can go from there
@@TomHommus Yes, and the state government is funding a business case into the St-Mary's-Tallawong gap too. Beyond that it doesn't look good at the moment.
Sydney is built on rock (sandstone) and tunneling is easy and the way to go. The older, slower (but still comfortable and useful) double-deck trains were never going to cut it for the huge new Sydney stretching out to the Blue Mountains. Metro is the answer. It will relieve congestion on the existing trains, cars can be left at home. I use it, love it.
@@Matt_JJz I reckon. And we still have to work out how to get people ‘properly’ to Nathan where there is no heavy rail. Trackless tram/bus to the sports carnival likely. Go Brisbane we will look like we are still in 1982.
The new line to the new airport at Badgerys Creek shouldn’t be happening. It’s costing billions to build a shuttle service to St Mary’s which is nearly an hour from City. Its viability depends on the development of the surrounding areas but this isn’t guaranteed. There are much cheaper ways to get people to the Airport.
There needs to be a North-South metro line running through Parramatta to really encourage growth there. I would argue it was much more important for Bankstown and the North Western suburbs to be connected to Parra as opposed to what the final planned route was for the Metro West (although I don't hate it by any means, it would still be quite useful). I understand needing to decongest the T1, but encouraging more work opportunities and making Parra more accessible via a North/South link would've also solved congestion issues. The less people that need to go from East to West, the better. I also believe if they weren't going to extend Leppington to the airport, they could've at least built the airport line to Parramatta or Blacktown. Both are already big transport hubs. While building the line to St Mary's will help encourage development in the land between, there's still an already existing (and booming) population elsewhere in the West to service.
Couple of quick comments. Cost benefit should be considered in a matrix based on the same calculations that inform us $X was LOST due to “x” train delay, or “y” traffic congestion. The 50% reduction in commute time for the anticipated daily thousands of commuters will have a tangible net positive economic impact on the state almost immediately. Secondly, expansion potential will help continue to grow the city for the foreseeable future allowing the urban space, bound on all sides by national parks or the ocean, to go more vertical, making it more efficient again, especially when comparing with the urban sprawl and clogged freeway systems of other cities with poor public transport infrastructure - think New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, London, Paris and Tokyo, versus LA, Dallas, Austin, Bangkok, Jakarta, Lagos, etc. Melbourne showed Sydney how stupid Sydney was for removing trams. Sydney now has that technology back in the form of the light rail. It can be expanded now. Sydney has now added a technology no other Aussie city has: a dedicated metro/subway/tube, to compliment the existing heavy/suburban rail system… at a time when Melbourne still can’t organise a train to the airport, and is only now finally getting rid of some level crossings - I mean honestly! A city of 5 million where cars still have to stop to let trains pass 🤦🏼♂️… so yes, a game changer. Sydney’s geographic ‘curse’ in terms of economic development, the huge harbour cutting it in half (albeit not a curse when it comes to tourist dollars, and marketing), has forced it to be a whole lot more adaptive, dynamic, and innovative with infrastructure and it is paying big dividends: the largest CBD economies in Australia are 1. Sydney, 2. Melbourne, 3. Parramatta, for a reason. Add to that North Sydney, Chatswood. St. Leonards, Macquarie Park, Rhodes, Olympic Park, Burwood, Hurstville, and Liverpool, and no other Aussie city comes close to comparable. Finally let’s consider the incredible impact the second airport will have and we see Sydney future-proofing well ahead of anyone else here. So the only thing Sydney really has left that it needs is a monorail, and then we’ll be fine… oh wait… 😉😂
But Sydney is not as dependent on Trams as Melbourne ist Indeed Melbourne needs it Tram network because the Heavy Rail system is average and very radial and the Bus system sux to high heaven.
It’s nice to that Governments are thinking past their 4 year term. $64B for the project is to me a lot to invest in one area. Yes Sydney needed it… but have notice very little investment beyond the Blue Mountains… Like the Katoomba tunnel that got canned ..
QLD needs easy access on future builds for Springfield/Ipswich , Mango Hill to Sunshine Coast and Logan to Gold Coast that's where Growth is for 2040. Planning of it now and people of S.E.QLD can enjoy in time.
It seems like we're only playing catch up with our infrastructure that the previous Labor government did nothing except build the Olympic Park for the 2000 Olympics but let our infrastructure suffer as our population started to grow in Sydney. And it was very unlikely the Labor government were even considering building the Metro train lines had they stayed in power in 2011. I know Gladys did some bad things with Pork barreling and what not but she deserves the credit for bringing Sydney's infrastructure into the 21st century and she will not be acknowledged for this. The Metro is and will be her legacy. I'm looking forward to riding this the day it starts operating. This will be great for Sydney overall and I have no doubt that some of the other current heavy rail lines will be converted to Metro lines like the Cumberland Line, Eastern Suburbs line and perhaps the South West line.
Correction: Light Rail DID happen from Circular Quay, through the CBD via George St and out to the SouthEast - which is resulting right now in greater pedestrianisation in the CBD - know your shit!
Man you got your facts mixed up. Point number 3 did not happen but point number 4 did. The light rail from Circular Quay to the south east was built and is currently operational. You mixed up the CBD metro with Metro west.
I think the channel is confused by the railway planning technology, earlier on in the Video Mel also incorrectly referred to the metro as light rail I think. There were a number of minor mistakes that could have been picked up and corrected by any transit nerd.
8:07 "The Sydney Metro will soon be finished". Really? 2056 is "soon"? They haven't even started: Tallawong to St Marys, Bradfield to Macarthur, Bankstown to possibly Bradfield (conversion of the Glenfield & Leppington lines), Westmead to Western Airport... Oh and the first driverless trains aren't soon, they're 5 years ago!
I've heard that Sydney has shocking road congestion at any time. But with all this rail then surely that would reduce the reliance on cars by the locals if its done properly. Is that Sydneysiders experience? Can you actually move around the city (a la London) with reliable public transport. Has car usage and car ownership dropped. If not why not? Is this a circuit breaker? Is Sydney just to spread out for any public transport to be all embracing and totally effective in reducing car usage?
You are a bit superficial reporting this magnificent project. This is what governments are supposed to do. This will build efficiencies and improvement on a major scale. The project is long overdue due to penny pinching lack of vision governments. The worst thing about the new system is still the focus on propping up the CBD. Just pandering to vested interests. A circular system for the city is a priority. This system together with Western Sydney airport will atleast give Sydney a chance to thrive. Get on with it and cut the supercilious bullshit.
Well we definitely found out the answer tonight. The key benefit of Sydney metro is that it will be a series of independent lines that do not interact with each other. Why is that important you ask? Well tonight an overhead wire failure took down the entire train system. Yes you heard it right. Rail clearways didn't really do a complete job at untangling the lines. With Sydney Metro a failure will be confined to just that line. How bad is the delay? Try 60 mins late, 95 mins late and the next one 60 mins late, followed by cancelled. 17:52 scheduled now at 23:21 running 332 mins late and another 17:49 now at 23:22 running 333 minutes late that's Sydney trains for you
Sydney is 12,500km2. Melbourne is 10,000km2. Sydney is bigger and even without Sydney Metro is the hub for Australia's largest electric rail network. Sydney Metro simply makes that network even bigger.
@@vintageradio3404Of course Melbourne, has a massive tram network and better regional mid high speed rail. Sydney is trying to reintroduce trams, with some success 4 tram lines. The Metro, at 1/3rd of the state deficit, is better value, than the road works, but those are toll roads, the Metro when phase 5, is finished, will double the passenger traffic. The best value though has been, in increasing the frequency, on the normal lines. Track, sensors, communications and a big maintenance, of the trains.
I've heard that Sydney has shocking road congestion at any time. But with all this rail then surely that would reduce the reliance on cars by the locals if its done properly. Is that Sydneysiders experience? Can you actually move around the city (a la London) with reliable public transport. Has car usage and car ownership dropped. If not why not? Is this a circuit breaker? Is Sydney just to spread out for any public transport to be all embracing and totally effective in reducing car usage?
>> Based on the Northwest metro line, yes indeed Sydney's dependency on cars has dropped. The amount of demand on the metros has surpassed expectations. I'd expect to see further reduction in car usage for this project and the multiple projects to come in the next decade. >> We can move around Sydney just by train but in reality it depends where you live. North Shore and Inner West residents for instance can survive of just public transport compared to the Western suburbs which are more car centric. >> Sydney does suffer from congestion, mainly Parramatta road and Sydney Harbour bridge, the latter which would be drastically reduced with the new metro line. And as for the former, there has been plans on renovating Parramatta road by incorporating light rails.
@@lbell9695 But putting light rail on Parramatta Road would lead to further congestion wouldn't it. Unless they can sink the tram tracks or have nearby. Mind you I've never been to Sydney. But taking out a few lanes won't make the traffic better, unless other roads are redirected away from Parramatta road.
@@BDub2024 The WestConnex infrastructure project was supposed to solve that problem by diverting traffic that would normally go through Parramatta Road over to the M4. The problem is of course the tolls which is capped at $11.78 per day.
@@MrCordycep It seems very strange that a city of the size of Sydney with huge revenue from pokies etc would have toll roads. Not every city in Australia has toll roads, yet they get major roads built.
The problem is the longitudinal seating. Not very comfortable for 40+min trips to Tallawong, St Marys etc. And potentially dangerous for suitcases on wheels! Every time the train starts and stops you're flung left and right, doesn't happen with latitudinal seating.
We haven't yet adjusted our old views of what Sydney is. Most of us are still stuck with 1950's vision. Greater Sydney's population centre is currently at about Rosehill, just a short distance from Parramatta, and its moving further west every year.
Yet, we still think of the 'centre' of Sydney as being around Sydney Cove, and talk of Parramatta as 'in the West' whereas it's virtually its centre.
IMHO Western Sydney doesn't really start until Westmead, and in many ways (especially culturally) the real West is virtually a different city from what's around the harbour. Western Sydney already has a larger population than the rest of Sydney, and is growing faster.
From my viewpoint the most important Metro is the WSI Airport Metro. That's not only because it will service the airport, but because it forms a substantial and fast north-south transport spine right through the West; ultimately from Schofields to Macarthur (a distance similar from Circular Quay to well into the Blue Mountains.)
Sure the WSI Metro will connect with the rest of Sydney, but its really about enhancing industry, employment, mobility and residential living in the West itself, just as the new airport is not Sydney's new airport, but Western Sydney's Airport.
This is not to demean the connections between East and West. I think the "West" Metro from Hunter Street to Westmead is a great idea. It's a route with crowded transport and I'm all in favour of ensuring that people in the East have the opportunity to easily travel to the West to get better jobs, better education, better hospital facilities, better entertainment options, and meet more authentic people.
You've invited to hear what we think! Here it is: There needs to be a highlight on the HUGE stations and the HUGE benefit they will make to the life of every worker in the CBD. Even if you don't use the new trains or the new lines, most bus & train commuters will be walking through the amazing connections that are being built. I didn't appreciate this myself, until 2 or 3 months ago - they were doing free public tours by Sydney Metro. Victoria Cross (North Sydney) is my favourite, but the "underground cathedral" that connects Martin Place to Hunter Street (future Metro West) to Wynyard is also going to blow your mind.
Side note: Stations are the major cost of any rail project. The fools in London Westminster (who pretended to be fiscal conservatives) cancelled most of their only major rail project outside London because they kept calculating the price per mile of railway distance. Stupidly, they had kept adding the cost of overdue station upgrades, from along the corridor, to the same project that they then kept blaming for blowing out. Lesson: Always dig in the detail.
Meanwhile in Sydney: Together with the way George Street has become a place to BE instead of just a thing you use to get somewhere else, this is such an incredible improvement on the Sydney that the new government inherited in 2011. So many years of repeated announcements, cancellations, and new announcements from the previous Labor government. What happens to costs if you cancel? Spoiler alert: Everything costs more in the future. If you want a real shock, look up the price of a bridge or a freeway from the 1960s. A great website "MeasuringWorth" explains why inflation ain't inflation.
Mel, gotta pick you up on some sloppy bits, sorry mate:
1:44 City & Southwest got split into two sections, so really the entire line from Northwest Hills District to Bankstown is now opening in three stages, not two. Next month the "city" part opens on August 4th. But you're right to be bullish about it. It's the most incredible part, and is all about being a world city.
2:15 Metro West completed in 2032, not 2030
2:36 fun fact, they're already here and running now - as of a few weeks ago, they began running every train all the way from the northwest to the city and Sydenham. The trains still kick you off at Chatswood like they have since 5 years ago, but instead of turning around, they now keep going. Just empty for testing.
3:02 this isn't "light rail", this is heavy rail. Light rail is basically trams, or modern trams. You can tell because it's lighter capacity, but technically it refers to the weight of the rail and the strength it has to carry lighter or heavier carriages. Never mind, really common mistake. Many people see Sydney Metro as a single decker and immediately think it's "light rail", getting confused probably because they're from Sydney where most heavy rail has upstairs, downstairs and 1,000 seats.
4:20 just curious, is "$1.16 million loss" basically 0%? "Is that a big number?" as they say. What percent is it, because it must be really tiny. Above 1%?
4:55 probably not the "original" report … there's been one like it every 10-15 years. Look up "Action For Transport 2010", from the 1990s of course. Ron Christie was probably the first person to publish saying we needed more rapid single-decker trains, but confusingly, the original "City Circle" underground line was developed by JJ Bradfield (designer of the Harbour Bridge) comparing directly to real global metro systems like London and New York.
5:21 they were elected in March 2011, not 2012. They changed the details after the election but had always promised to build the line from the northwest Hills District and add a new harbour crossing and underground stations to match capacity.
6:00 NOT TRUE - light rail totally eventuated in Circular Quay. Have a walk around to see. The trams all terminate there and turn around, then head back out to the south east. The CBD was totally transformed and George Street became a pleasure to walk on for the first time in 100 years.
8:05 "soon be finished" - stage 2 yes, but stage 3 to Bankstown, then probably the western airport line, then probably the Metro West line … but it should never be "finished". It should always be ongoing. After all, are we planning on closing Sydney to immigration? Err no! Bob Carr tried that in the 1990s with the big headline "Sydney Full", but trust me, you don't want a city that stops growing - visit the rust belt in America. It's not a question of if we grow, but how well we do it. There's plenty of money for everything if we don't waste it on "nothing" projects. Metro lines and stations are great assets!
brisbane needs something like this but our politicians are not willing enough to do it and would rather spend that money on road tunnels and olympic venues in the middle of nowhere
You are getting something sort of like it in the cross river rail. As is Melbourne with it's new tunnel project.
you've got your little fake-metro to play with lol
@@carisi2k11 Cross river rail is too late and not enough for the olympics. We need something like Sydney Metro or perths metronet
@@electro_sykes What are you on about, the cross river rail is nearly done and there are 8 years to the olympics. Brisbane need to do up the QEsc stadium because nobody cares if that gets demolished to be rebuilt and get on with getting ready for the Olympics so that you don't make Australia look bad. If you can't do that then hand them over to Sydney who can easily hold the Olympics in 2032.
@@carisi2k11 fair enough. they chose exsisting venues incase another pandemic happens and we have no one show up
People will complain about having to switch trains from line to line but this is exactly what happens in London, Chicago, Paris, New York, Barcelona, Madrid... Having ridden the metro and the speed of it all, i was very impressed and interchanges don't really tack on too much additional time to one metro journey when compared with the bi level double decker trains of the suburban lines.
What is really going to make a difference is extending Metro North West to St Mary's and the Airport Metro to Leppington.
Yep exactly, not immediately but also don't close down the teams who are currently working on the first projects - keep them rolling. That's why calling it a "$64 billion project" doesn't make sense - it's a continuous ongoing project for a city this size.
Airport metro to Glenfield is already under business case as a joint venture with the federal government. I believe it will be released this or next year then we can go from there
@@TomHommus Yes, and the state government is funding a business case into the St-Mary's-Tallawong gap too. Beyond that it doesn't look good at the moment.
@@jayfielding1333 Macarthur to wsa business case is on the cards as well I believe the only one missing is Parramatta to WSA
@@TomHommus I'm greedy and want to see an eastern suburbs metro. I suppose Metro West could theoretically be extended east eventually.
Sydney is built on rock (sandstone) and tunneling is easy and the way to go. The older, slower (but still comfortable and useful) double-deck trains were never going to cut it for the huge new Sydney stretching out to the Blue Mountains. Metro is the answer. It will relieve congestion on the existing trains, cars can be left at home. I use it, love it.
I LOVE SYDNEY METRO 😍
Can Brisbane get this now. We need one bad, and not an overglorified bus
@RAM_845 aka a kinda large bus that's still half the size of a tram
The NSW government sold our poles and wires to fund this. What are you preparing to sell? the money has to come from somewhere.
@@Matt_JJz I reckon. And we still have to work out how to get people ‘properly’ to Nathan where there is no heavy rail. Trackless tram/bus to the sports carnival likely. Go Brisbane we will look like we are still in 1982.
@@JamesFFiT we still need trains. A turn up and go subway to Nathan would be great
@@Matt_JJz I didn’t say we didn’t
I’m saying what we will likely get!
Talking...Logistics? Talking...Infrastructure? Talking...Engineering? Cuz the one thing you're not talking about is tactics.
Bro was just regurgitating pre existing surface level info 😭
It has been told to us 1999 and they opened ours in 2019. How great
The new line to the new airport at Badgerys Creek shouldn’t be happening. It’s costing billions to build a shuttle service to St Mary’s which is nearly an hour from City.
Its viability depends on the development of the surrounding areas but this isn’t guaranteed.
There are much cheaper ways to get people to the Airport.
There needs to be a North-South metro line running through Parramatta to really encourage growth there. I would argue it was much more important for Bankstown and the North Western suburbs to be connected to Parra as opposed to what the final planned route was for the Metro West (although I don't hate it by any means, it would still be quite useful). I understand needing to decongest the T1, but encouraging more work opportunities and making Parra more accessible via a North/South link would've also solved congestion issues. The less people that need to go from East to West, the better.
I also believe if they weren't going to extend Leppington to the airport, they could've at least built the airport line to Parramatta or Blacktown. Both are already big transport hubs. While building the line to St Mary's will help encourage development in the land between, there's still an already existing (and booming) population elsewhere in the West to service.
Couple of quick comments.
Cost benefit should be considered in a matrix based on the same calculations that inform us $X was LOST due to “x” train delay, or “y” traffic congestion.
The 50% reduction in commute time for the anticipated daily thousands of commuters will have a tangible net positive economic impact on the state almost immediately.
Secondly, expansion potential will help continue to grow the city for the foreseeable future allowing the urban space, bound on all sides by national parks or the ocean, to go more vertical, making it more efficient again, especially when comparing with the urban sprawl and clogged freeway systems of other cities with poor public transport infrastructure - think New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, London, Paris and Tokyo, versus LA, Dallas, Austin, Bangkok, Jakarta, Lagos, etc.
Melbourne showed Sydney how stupid Sydney was for removing trams. Sydney now has that technology back in the form of the light rail. It can be expanded now.
Sydney has now added a technology no other Aussie city has: a dedicated metro/subway/tube, to compliment the existing heavy/suburban rail system… at a time when Melbourne still can’t organise a train to the airport, and is only now finally getting rid of some level crossings - I mean honestly! A city of 5 million where cars still have to stop to let trains pass 🤦🏼♂️… so yes, a game changer.
Sydney’s geographic ‘curse’ in terms of economic development, the huge harbour cutting it in half (albeit not a curse when it comes to tourist dollars, and marketing), has forced it to be a whole lot more adaptive, dynamic, and innovative with infrastructure and it is paying big dividends: the largest CBD economies in Australia are 1. Sydney, 2. Melbourne, 3. Parramatta, for a reason. Add to that North Sydney, Chatswood. St. Leonards, Macquarie Park, Rhodes, Olympic Park, Burwood, Hurstville, and Liverpool, and no other Aussie city comes close to comparable.
Finally let’s consider the incredible impact the second airport will have and we see Sydney future-proofing well ahead of anyone else here.
So the only thing Sydney really has left that it needs is a monorail, and then we’ll be fine… oh wait… 😉😂
But Sydney is not as dependent on Trams as Melbourne ist Indeed Melbourne needs it Tram network because the Heavy Rail system is average and very radial and the Bus system sux to high heaven.
It’s nice to that Governments are thinking past their 4 year term. $64B for the project is to me a lot to invest in one area. Yes Sydney needed it… but have notice very little investment beyond the Blue Mountains… Like the Katoomba tunnel that got canned ..
QLD needs easy access on future builds for Springfield/Ipswich , Mango Hill to Sunshine Coast and Logan to Gold Coast that's where Growth is for 2040. Planning of it now and people of S.E.QLD can enjoy in time.
A big thank you to Gladys Berejiklian.
Finally one of those videos that aren’t AI 😇
It seems like we're only playing catch up with our infrastructure that the previous Labor government did nothing except build the Olympic Park for the 2000 Olympics but let our infrastructure suffer as our population started to grow in Sydney.
And it was very unlikely the Labor government were even considering building the Metro train lines had they stayed in power in 2011.
I know Gladys did some bad things with Pork barreling and what not but she deserves the credit for bringing Sydney's infrastructure into the 21st century and she will not be acknowledged for this. The Metro is and will be her legacy.
I'm looking forward to riding this the day it starts operating. This will be great for Sydney overall and I have no doubt that some of the other current heavy rail lines will be converted to Metro lines like the Cumberland Line, Eastern Suburbs line and perhaps the South West line.
Correction: Light Rail DID happen from Circular Quay, through the CBD via George St and out to the SouthEast - which is resulting right now in greater pedestrianisation in the CBD - know your shit!
Amazing infrastructure for Sydney
6:05, The South East light rail line up George Street did eventuate. I don't think you live in Sydney 😅😅😅
Man you got your facts mixed up. Point number 3 did not happen but point number 4 did. The light rail from Circular Quay to the south east was built and is currently operational. You mixed up the CBD metro with Metro west.
I think the channel is confused by the railway planning technology, earlier on in the Video Mel also incorrectly referred to the metro as light rail I think. There were a number of minor mistakes that could have been picked up and corrected by any transit nerd.
First driverless trains in Australia in 2019, eh? Rio Tinto has been running driverless trains in Western Australia since 2018.
8:07 "The Sydney Metro will soon be finished". Really? 2056 is "soon"? They haven't even started: Tallawong to St Marys, Bradfield to Macarthur, Bankstown to possibly Bradfield (conversion of the Glenfield & Leppington lines), Westmead to Western Airport... Oh and the first driverless trains aren't soon, they're 5 years ago!
I've heard that Sydney has shocking road congestion at any time. But with all this rail then surely that would reduce the reliance on cars by the locals if its done properly. Is that Sydneysiders experience? Can you actually move around the city (a la London) with reliable public transport. Has car usage and car ownership dropped. If not why not? Is this a circuit breaker? Is Sydney just to spread out for any public transport to be all embracing and totally effective in reducing car usage?
You are a bit superficial reporting this magnificent project. This is what governments are supposed to do. This will build efficiencies and improvement on a major scale. The project is long overdue due to penny pinching lack of vision governments. The worst thing about the new system is still the focus on propping up the CBD. Just pandering to vested interests. A circular system for the city is a priority. This system together with Western Sydney airport will atleast give Sydney a chance to thrive. Get on with it and cut the supercilious bullshit.
Well we definitely found out the answer tonight. The key benefit of Sydney metro is that it will be a series of independent lines that do not interact with each other.
Why is that important you ask? Well tonight an overhead wire failure took down the entire train system. Yes you heard it right.
Rail clearways didn't really do a complete job at untangling the lines.
With Sydney Metro a failure will be confined to just that line. How bad is the delay? Try 60 mins late, 95 mins late and the next one 60 mins late, followed by cancelled.
17:52 scheduled now at 23:21 running 332 mins late and another 17:49 now at 23:22 running 333 minutes late that's Sydney trains for you
Melbourne is bigger now Mel lol 😂
Just pointing that out
I’m from Brisbane.
And technically Brisbane is the biggest city in Australia.
There's always one in any Sydney video. Glad you could make it with so few comments here so far I was getting worried. 😂
Sydney is 12,500km2. Melbourne is 10,000km2. Sydney is bigger and even without Sydney Metro is the hub for Australia's largest electric rail network. Sydney Metro simply makes that network even bigger.
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@@vintageradio3404Of course Melbourne, has a massive tram network and better regional mid high speed rail. Sydney is trying to reintroduce trams, with some success 4 tram lines. The Metro, at 1/3rd of the state deficit, is better value, than the road works, but those are toll roads, the Metro when phase 5, is finished, will double the passenger traffic. The best value though has been, in increasing the frequency, on the normal lines. Track, sensors, communications and a big maintenance, of the trains.
It WONT REVOLUTIONISE Australia's biggest city, as it is in Sydney, and Australia's biggest city is Melbourne 🤷🏽♂️
Melbourne only just overtook Sydney so give people some time
I think he meant from a financial perspective, which makes it not even a competition: Sydney first, daylight second, then Melbourne.
lol .. whatever helps you sleep at night dear .
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@@nswtrains3153 At Dobuan's comment above, not yours sorry.
I've heard that Sydney has shocking road congestion at any time. But with all this rail then surely that would reduce the reliance on cars by the locals if its done properly. Is that Sydneysiders experience? Can you actually move around the city (a la London) with reliable public transport. Has car usage and car ownership dropped. If not why not? Is this a circuit breaker? Is Sydney just to spread out for any public transport to be all embracing and totally effective in reducing car usage?
>> Based on the Northwest metro line, yes indeed Sydney's dependency on cars has dropped. The amount of demand on the metros has surpassed expectations. I'd expect to see further reduction in car usage for this project and the multiple projects to come in the next decade.
>> We can move around Sydney just by train but in reality it depends where you live. North Shore and Inner West residents for instance can survive of just public transport compared to the Western suburbs which are more car centric.
>> Sydney does suffer from congestion, mainly Parramatta road and Sydney Harbour bridge, the latter which would be drastically reduced with the new metro line. And as for the former, there has been plans on renovating Parramatta road by incorporating light rails.
@@lbell9695 But putting light rail on Parramatta Road would lead to further congestion wouldn't it. Unless they can sink the tram tracks or have nearby. Mind you I've never been to Sydney. But taking out a few lanes won't make the traffic better, unless other roads are redirected away from Parramatta road.
@@BDub2024 The WestConnex infrastructure project was supposed to solve that problem by diverting traffic that would normally go through Parramatta Road over to the M4. The problem is of course the tolls which is capped at $11.78 per day.
@@MrCordycep It seems very strange that a city of the size of Sydney with huge revenue from pokies etc would have toll roads. Not every city in Australia has toll roads, yet they get major roads built.
The problem is the longitudinal seating. Not very comfortable for 40+min trips to Tallawong, St Marys etc. And potentially dangerous for suitcases on wheels! Every time the train starts and stops you're flung left and right, doesn't happen with latitudinal seating.
Phrase Do a video on the Army's Nasams system.
Melbourne is now Australia’s biggest city by population.
you just know the new western sydney airport will have a $20 surcharge like the existing domestic and international airports
I don't care, it doesn't run to my area
Light rail has NOTHING to do with the Metro Project. Do more research,
Indeed .... perhaps he is not a Sydneysider.
LOl pray if they can build more efficiently faster and no delays be good ... Any big plans or pictures without actions are BS