How does this channel only have 17k subscribers? I’m baffled by this considering Dr. White’s resume and consistent championing of the faith once and for all handed down to the saints! He is on par with Sproul in my book, who has a massive following even after passing.
I think part of it is that James White is a bit of a lone wolf. He's not afraid to differ with colleagues and does not toe the line with large organizations or denominations. He has publicly disagreed with John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul despite agreeing with them on many other areas. I think this gives him a bit of a reputation for being cantankerous, but I think it's more a sign of integrity and honesty.
Dividing Line Highlights is not managed by Dr White, he recently referenced the manager in a show through short complement, a o min has a lot more subscribers
James white is unliked I actually don’t like white either but he’s right when he’s right and wrong when he’s wrong that’s all he is for me There were instances of James white vs an annoying person I thought they were both wrong
Basically, James White is generally fractious and divisive. He damns basically all Catholics to hell, and is only slightly less frosty to Arminians and Lutheran/Traditional soteriologists.
Hebrews 10:14-18 [14] For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. [15] And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, [16] “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” [17] then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” [18] Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
hades is real, purgatory is not. The RCC DESPITE the false teachings and false additions of salvation have saved souls who LOVE CHRIST, but they are within a church that is NOT BIBLICAL, they add, take away make their own rules it’s awful and so evident. Akin just said our prayers play a part in someone getting to heaven that is AWFUL!!!
Taking away from the finished work of Christ, all the glory is GODS not anything else Any biblical Christian would leave the RCC unless they are brainwashed .
I really look up to you, brother, James White- I’m rethinking my beliefs in the doctrine of eternal conscience, torment of the wicked. Learned so much from you doctrines of grace the Trinity substitutionary atonement! How to witness to Muslims- just wondering why you seem to be hesitant to debate brother Chris date on this subject
@@bridgefin Didn't Jesus himself freely die for sinners already? Don't those sinners who repent and have faith in Jesus become clothed in his perfect righteousness by grace?
I commented to Jimmy Akin about that caller and that the fallen soldiers were guilty of idolatry, a mortal sin in Catholic teaching, but never heard back.
CCC Chapter 1857 says: “For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent”. Idolatry is considered grave matter so we have the first condition, however we have no way of knowing whether or not the next two conditions have been met by the fallen soldiers meaning we cannot say with 100% certainty they had committed a mortal sin. Your objection is only relevant if you could say with 100% certainty they died in mortal sin, which you can’t so the objection becomes irrelevant.
@Eucharist Angel If Catholicism is counterfeit, then why are you using a Catholic canon for the New Testament? You either don't believe your own words or you are a big hypocrite.
@Eucharist Angel You: another unsubstantiated and lackluster comment from the Catholic side. Me: It is unsubstantiated that you use our 27 book canon???? You: Rome's demand that we should receive her as supreme authority because of this issue of the canon, is ridiculous for too many reasons to list here. Me: You are defacto USING our canon. You are submitting to the Catholic Church yet claiming that she is counterfeit. Are you aiming for Hell? You: it doesn’t follow that this makes them automatically authoritative in every area Me: No, but if God used the Catholic Church to speak his canon then we have an obvious link to the Divine that you even accept.
@@ryan_118 it doesn’t matter. Those necessary conditions are man made. All sin is mortal, all sin deserves death. It doesn’t matter if it was committed with full knowledge and consent. Idolatry is idolatry. Sin blinds.
I've had sin "purged." It's called repentance. They talk as if sin is something attatched to you and needs to be burned off- as if it's an object of sorts. Am I wrong? It is amazing what man can dream up- especially, in order to make money
Only the ignorant who have no earthly idea of how particular doctrines develop over time argue that how we have it today is how the scattered elements we have throughout covenantal/church history understood it.
2nd Maccabees is better for seeing how Judas atonement offering for the better is an inperfect typology to Christ's true and great atonement for the spiritually dead. That's the only use for 2nd Maccabees I use entirely making it about Jesus(even though I don't see it as Scripture nor may even be the best book to read from)
For those of you that falsely assume Rome canonized the Bible, Rome does not claim canonization. You should find this interesting. 6th Century: Gregory the Great - “With reference to which particular we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not Canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Thus Eleazar in the battle smote and brought down an elephant, but fell under the very beast that he killed” (1 Macc. 6.46). (Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, (Oxford: Parker, 1845), Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job, Volume II, Parts III and IV, Book XIX.34, p.424.)
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
@@tricord2939 You: You are talking in circles, Me: I asked you to provide a canon before the Catholic Church and after a month....crickets. Sorry for your loss.
This is older but really we need purgatory because jesus didnt do enough seriously-- how can Catholics actually believe all that cult says it's sad they are not going to heaven
@@Wgaither1 Like all good things God gives us the grace to seek repentance. But we must act to actually repent. Repent is an active word. In any case Jesus still did not do enough according to your theology. Something more is still required.
Your Dogmas define you. Purgatory cerca 1563 Council of Trent Session 225 The Immaculate Conception cerca 1854 Pope Pius IX The Assumption of Mary cerca 1950 Pope Pius XII Today’s Roman Catholic Church is 70 years old.
And all of those were part of the church's belief from the beginning. Those dogmas had to be defined only after centuries arrogant so called Christians argued against them. Even the Reformers taught them as Protestants.
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand. Isaiah describes the Catholic PERFECTLY
Catholics, apparently, just don't believe that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient, once for all- time. I can come to no other conclusion. They don't believe.
Catholics wrote that it was sufficient for what it intended to do. Jesus conquered sin. Are you going to tell me that you, therefore, sin no more? Do 't you believe that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient??? So, sinner, nothing impure enters Heaven according to Revelation. How do you expect to be cleansed so you can enter?
The video contains multiple incorrect statements that can be refuted using the teachings of the Holy Bible, Church Fathers, Catholic Church Councils, and the Catholic Church Catechism. First, the argument that there is no oral tradition of purgatory is untrue. The Catholic Church has traditionally recognized Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as sources of Divine Revelation. This oral tradition is mentioned by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and St. Irenaeus mentions it in Against Heresies. Furthermore, the existence of purgatory has been handed down through the centuries as part of the Church's Sacred Tradition rather than just based on Sacred Scripture. Second, the video claims that the concept of purgatory evolved through centuries and received its full theological definition in the 14th century. However, as indicated by the writings of the Church Fathers and early Councils, the Catholic Church has always believed in the presence of purgatory (purification of souls post-mortem). Purgatory has evolved in the Church's thinking over time, although its existence has always been confirmed. In his City of God, St. Augustine, for example, argues that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment." Third, the reasoning implies that the notion of purgatory necessitates the rejection of Sola Scriptura. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has always maintained that Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are two complementary streams of Divine Revelation and that neither can be adequately understood without the other. According to the Catholic Church's Catechism, "Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence" (CCC 82). Fourth, the video misinterprets the verse from Second Maccabees as proof of the existence of purgatory. While the scripture mentions praying for the deceased, it does not specifically mention purgatory. Furthermore, the canon of Sacred Scripture was not established until the late fourth century, and the Catholic Church has always acknowledged the deuterocanonical texts, including Second Maccabees, as part of God's inspired Word in the Septuagint Old Testament manuscripts which were used by Jesus Christ and His Apostles during their time. In fact, in his book The Enchiridion, St. Augustine uses this text as evidence for the reality of purgatory (or the purification of souls post-mortem). The Septuagint is the most ancient translation of the Old Testament which includes the Deuterocanonical books ( and consequently is invaluable to critics for understanding and correcting the Hebrew text (Masorah), the latter, such as it has come down to us, being the text established by the Masoretes in the sixth century A.D. Many textual corruptions, additions, omissions, or transpositions must have crept into the Hebrew (Masoretic) text between the third and second centuries B.C. and the sixth and seventh centuries of our era; the manuscripts therefore which the Seventy had at their disposal, may in places have been better than the Massoretic manuscripts. The Septuagint Version, accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews and afterward by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messiah and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ. Fifth, the claim that "far more meaningful biblical theologians of biblical theologians...rejected these books" is inaccurate because many early Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine and St. Jerome, included the Deuterocanonical books in the canon of Scripture. St. Jerome, a biblical scholar,, and Bible translator, incorporated them in his Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. Furthermore, both the Church Councils of Hippo and Carthage in the fourth century acknowledged the Deuterocanonical texts as part of the canon. Some Christian organizations did not begin to reject these writings until the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. Sixth, the statement "They were not seen by the Jewish people as Scripture" is inaccurate because the Deuterocanonical writings were acknowledged as Scripture by numerous Jewish communities, notably the Alexandrian Jews who translated them into Greek in the third century BC. Furthermore, the Deuterocanonical books are mentioned and alluded to multiple times in the New Testament, particularly in the book of Hebrews. Seventh, the claim that "it's all Rome's got" and that Catholic apologists lack strong reasons to support their beliefs is inaccurate and disrespectful. There is a long heritage of theological and philosophical thought in the Catholic Church, and there are many strong reasons and evidence supporting the Catholic belief in purgatory. These include the Church Fathers' doctrines, the Councils of Florence and Trent, and the Catholic Church's Catechism. Eighth, the claim that interpreting 1 Corinthians 3 to mean purgatory is "complete eisegesis" is erroneous. The teachings of the early Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine, who wrote about the purification of souls after death, support the interpretation of this text as referring to purgatory. Furthermore, the Councils of Florence and Trent openly acknowledged the presence of purgatory. Overall, multiple erroneous statements in the video may be addressed using evidence from the Holy Bible, the Church Fathers, the Catholic Church Councils, and the Catholic Church Catechism. The Catholic Church recognizes purgatory as a necessary stage in achieving the holiness required to enter into the fullness of eternal life with God.
Purgatory is a man made doctrine. It makes absolutely zero sense in light of the gospel. But that’s what happens when you abandon the only binding authority.
“Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.” Romans 3:1-2 NASB1995 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” 2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV Whenever Paul addresses them by “brethren” he is every single time getting the Jews attention. They were a light unto the gentiles during this time. Does this help?
The early church clearly taught and believed in the concept of purgatory, a final purification before one can enter Heaven. Nothing impure can enter Heaven according to Revelation.
@@firingallcylinders2949 Why must it be found in Scripture? Is there any place in Scripture which demands that all doctrine must come from Scripture? Of course not. Long before the New Testament was written or canonized the apostles were teaching about the life of Jesus and his message. None of that was in Scripture yet.
@@bridgefin That was still God's Word. Catholics are the embodiment of why deviating from Scripture ends up with doctrine all over the place. A dangerous precedent is set when a church starts doing things that we find nowhere in Scripture, especially when it comes to doctrine. Hence why Rome has so many extra Biblical teachings like Mary's sinlessness or her perpetual virginity or purgatory that you won't find in Scripture. My conscience is bound to God's Word and the Holy Spirit not some fallable men in a hierarchy.
@@firingallcylinders2949 God's word does not tell you that all doctrine must be found in God's word. You have added that to Scripture. It is your own rule and not God's. Either show me where Scripture makes that demand or give up your non-biblical traditions.
@@bridgefin “The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;…” psalm 19:7-8, and the rest of chapter. The Hebrew for perfect is tâmîym which can mean a variety of things; truth, without blemish, complete, full, sound, without spot, undefiled, upright, whole. I think the Apostle Paul thought of Gods word (scripture) in the same way when he described it to Timothy as “God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction (against error), for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete also…” 2 Timothy 3:16-17a
I would also like to add that the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures either. By your own logic you must deny the trinitarian nature of God; Father, Son, and Spirit. It’s just not a good argument for denying Sola Scriptura.
@@logiberra418 You: How can words of men be equal to the Most High God? Me: Scripture says that man can speak for God. Jesus told the apostles that if people hear THEM then they hear HIM. Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Human men wrote the Word of God. Now, of course, no one can do that without the protection of the Holy Spirit. We know that the scripture writers had that, Jesus obviously knows the same for the apostles, and Jesus promised the leaders of his church that the Holy Spirit would be with them forever. Now, back to the subject. If you can't show me where Scripture demands that all doctrine MUST come from Scripture then you are pushing a man made tradition. You: I would also like to add that the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures either. By your own logic you must deny the trinitarian nature of God; Father, Son, and Spirit. It’s just not a good argument for denying Sola Scriptura. Me: The words "Trinity", "Incarnation", "Purgatory" are all inventions of the Catholic Church to define what Scripture implies orspeaks outright. As for Sola Scriptura it is clearly not taught in Scripture or implied in any way. It was never heard of before Luther invented it 500 years ago.
Christ demonstrated Sola Scriptura in real time, have you read the words Christ used when holding religious Jews accountable. Have you read Timothy and acts?
How does this channel only have 17k subscribers? I’m baffled by this considering Dr. White’s resume and consistent championing of the faith once and for all handed down to the saints! He is on par with Sproul in my book, who has a massive following even after passing.
I think part of it is that James White is a bit of a lone wolf. He's not afraid to differ with colleagues and does not toe the line with large organizations or denominations. He has publicly disagreed with John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul despite agreeing with them on many other areas. I think this gives him a bit of a reputation for being cantankerous, but I think it's more a sign of integrity and honesty.
Dividing Line Highlights is not managed by Dr White, he recently referenced the manager in a show through short complement, a o min has a lot more subscribers
James white is unliked
I actually don’t like white either but he’s right when he’s right and wrong when he’s wrong that’s all he is for me
There were instances of James white vs an annoying person I thought they were both wrong
Basically, James White is generally fractious and divisive. He damns basically all Catholics to hell, and is only slightly less frosty to Arminians and Lutheran/Traditional soteriologists.
@@j.athanasius9832white doesn’t damn them, Paul does. They have a different gospel. 🤷🏽♂️
Hebrews 10:14-18
[14] For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
[15] And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
[16] “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
[17] then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
[18] Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Amen! Purgatory is not real
hades is real, purgatory is not.
The RCC DESPITE the false teachings and false additions of salvation have saved souls who LOVE CHRIST, but they are within a church that is NOT BIBLICAL, they add, take away make their own rules it’s awful and so evident. Akin just said our prayers play a part in someone getting to heaven that is AWFUL!!!
Taking away from the finished work of Christ, all the glory is GODS not anything else
Any biblical Christian would leave the RCC unless they are brainwashed .
@christsavesreadromans1096 There is absolutely nothing about purgatory in 1:Cor 3:15. Try studying in context of the addressee.
@christsavesreadromans1096 1 Cor 3:15 does not correspond to purgatory. Try exegeting the passage in context of the letter.
I really look up to you, brother, James White- I’m rethinking my beliefs in the doctrine of eternal conscience, torment of the wicked. Learned so much from you doctrines of grace the Trinity substitutionary atonement! How to witness to Muslims- just wondering why you seem to be hesitant to debate brother Chris date on this subject
Purgatory: because Christ didn't do enough apparently.
Purgatory is the application to souls of what Jesus did do on the cross.
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@@bridgefin Then what is the point of indulgences to reduce purgatory?
@@ninjason57
Indulgences are the application of Jesus' merits to souls who are in need of it.
@@bridgefin Didn't Jesus himself freely die for sinners already? Don't those sinners who repent and have faith in Jesus become clothed in his perfect righteousness by grace?
Thank you brother White!
I commented to Jimmy Akin about that caller and that the fallen soldiers were guilty of idolatry, a mortal sin in Catholic teaching, but never heard back.
CCC Chapter 1857 says: “For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent”. Idolatry is considered grave matter so we have the first condition, however we have no way of knowing whether or not the next two conditions have been met by the fallen soldiers meaning we cannot say with 100% certainty they had committed a mortal sin. Your objection is only relevant if you could say with 100% certainty they died in mortal sin, which you can’t so the objection becomes irrelevant.
@Eucharist Angel
If Catholicism is counterfeit, then why are you using a Catholic canon for the New Testament? You either don't believe your own words or you are a big hypocrite.
@Eucharist Angel
You: another unsubstantiated and lackluster comment from the Catholic side.
Me: It is unsubstantiated that you use our 27 book canon????
You: Rome's demand that we should receive her as supreme authority because of this issue of the canon, is ridiculous for too many reasons to list here.
Me: You are defacto USING our canon. You are submitting to the Catholic Church yet claiming that she is counterfeit. Are you aiming for Hell?
You: it doesn’t follow that this makes them automatically authoritative in every area
Me: No, but if God used the Catholic Church to speak his canon then we have an obvious link to the Divine that you even accept.
@@ryan_118 it doesn’t matter. Those necessary conditions are man made. All sin is mortal, all sin deserves death. It doesn’t matter if it was committed with full knowledge and consent. Idolatry is idolatry. Sin blinds.
@bridgfin Who authorized the building of the 2nd temple? Does that person have an obvious Divine link?
I've had sin "purged." It's called repentance. They talk as if sin is something attatched to you and needs to be burned off- as if it's an object of sorts. Am I wrong? It is amazing what man can dream up- especially, in order to make money
Wish you'd do one on the Eastern Orthodox Tollhouses.
As laughable as the toll houses are, it would be great for him to cover this too.
Wow! The Waldensians would have been quite surprised that the RCC has Protestant friends. Lol
Jesus said on the cross “it is finished” how can anyone add to that?
Add to what? You don't even know what the "it" refers to.
Only the ignorant who have no earthly idea of how particular doctrines develop over time argue that how we have it today is how the scattered elements we have throughout covenantal/church history understood it.
2nd Maccabees is better for seeing how Judas atonement offering for the better is an inperfect typology to Christ's true and great atonement for the spiritually dead.
That's the only use for 2nd Maccabees I use entirely making it about Jesus(even though I don't see it as Scripture nor may even be the best book to read from)
For those of you that falsely assume Rome canonized the Bible, Rome does not claim canonization. You should find this interesting.
6th Century:
Gregory the Great - “With reference to which particular we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not Canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Thus Eleazar in the battle smote and brought down an elephant, but fell under the very beast that he killed” (1 Macc. 6.46). (Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, (Oxford: Parker, 1845), Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job, Volume II, Parts III and IV, Book XIX.34, p.424.)
The Catholic Church canonized the bible in the late 4th century. If you disagree then produce someone else's published canon before that.
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
@@bridgefin the RCC was not in existence then
@@tricord2939
You: You are talking in circles,
Me: I asked you to provide a canon before the Catholic Church and after a month....crickets. Sorry for your loss.
@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104
Keep your lies between you and Satan.
This is older but really we need purgatory because jesus didnt do enough seriously-- how can Catholics actually believe all that cult says it's sad they are not going to heaven
Do you have to repent of your sins to be forgiven? Yes. I guess that Jesus didn't do enough by your silly definition.
@@bridgefinRepentance is a gift from God
@@Wgaither1
Like all good things God gives us the grace to seek repentance. But we must act to actually repent. Repent is an active word. In any case Jesus still did not do enough according to your theology. Something more is still required.
Macabees doesn't even sound like scripture.
because it‘s not
I lost track of all the lies I'm here.
name of the book please.
Your Dogmas define you.
Purgatory cerca 1563 Council of Trent Session 225
The Immaculate Conception cerca 1854 Pope Pius IX
The Assumption of Mary cerca 1950 Pope Pius XII
Today’s Roman Catholic Church is 70 years old.
And all of those were part of the church's belief from the beginning. Those dogmas had to be defined only after centuries arrogant so called Christians argued against them. Even the Reformers taught them as Protestants.
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
@@tricord2939
What a brilliant reply! Except that it has nothing to do with the topic. Better get back on the meds.
@@bridgefin You are here on a reformed Baptist channel because of your confusion that comes with not having a firm foundation, only the shifting sands of Rome’s man made false doctrines and dogmas. You are talking in circles, not able to back up any of your false beliefs and misrepresentations, only bringing straw man arguments. I can not decipher if you are serious or really have not studied, maybe your belief system is from others misunderstandings. Your view of Rome is a fantasy and not consistent with reality. If you continue this conversation, it will be with yourself. You are dismissed. Dismissed for lack of evidence 🤣😂😅
They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.
Isaiah describes the Catholic PERFECTLY
I thought you were referring to the speaker in this video!
Catholics, apparently, just don't believe that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient, once for all- time. I can come to no other conclusion. They don't believe.
Catholics wrote that it was sufficient for what it intended to do. Jesus conquered sin. Are you going to tell me that you, therefore, sin no more? Do 't you believe that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient??? So, sinner, nothing impure enters Heaven according to Revelation. How do you expect to be cleansed so you can enter?
The video contains multiple incorrect statements that can be refuted using the teachings of the Holy Bible, Church Fathers, Catholic Church Councils, and the Catholic Church Catechism.
First, the argument that there is no oral tradition of purgatory is untrue. The Catholic Church has traditionally recognized Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as sources of Divine Revelation. This oral tradition is mentioned by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and St. Irenaeus mentions it in Against Heresies. Furthermore, the existence of purgatory has been handed down through the centuries as part of the Church's Sacred Tradition rather than just based on Sacred Scripture.
Second, the video claims that the concept of purgatory evolved through centuries and received its full theological definition in the 14th century. However, as indicated by the writings of the Church Fathers and early Councils, the Catholic Church has always believed in the presence of purgatory (purification of souls post-mortem). Purgatory has evolved in the Church's thinking over time, although its existence has always been confirmed. In his City of God, St. Augustine, for example, argues that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment."
Third, the reasoning implies that the notion of purgatory necessitates the rejection of Sola Scriptura. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has always maintained that Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are two complementary streams of Divine Revelation and that neither can be adequately understood without the other. According to the Catholic Church's Catechism, "Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence" (CCC 82).
Fourth, the video misinterprets the verse from Second Maccabees as proof of the existence of purgatory. While the scripture mentions praying for the deceased, it does not specifically mention purgatory. Furthermore, the canon of Sacred Scripture was not established until the late fourth century, and the Catholic Church has always acknowledged the deuterocanonical texts, including Second Maccabees, as part of God's inspired Word in the Septuagint Old Testament manuscripts which were used by Jesus Christ and His Apostles during their time. In fact, in his book The Enchiridion, St. Augustine uses this text as evidence for the reality of purgatory (or the purification of souls post-mortem). The Septuagint is the most ancient translation of the Old Testament which includes the Deuterocanonical books ( and consequently is invaluable to critics for understanding and correcting the Hebrew text (Masorah), the latter, such as it has come down to us, being the text established by the Masoretes in the sixth century A.D. Many textual corruptions, additions, omissions, or transpositions must have crept into the Hebrew (Masoretic) text between the third and second centuries B.C. and the sixth and seventh centuries of our era; the manuscripts therefore which the Seventy had at their disposal, may in places have been better than the Massoretic manuscripts. The Septuagint Version, accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews and afterward by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messiah and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.
Fifth, the claim that "far more meaningful biblical theologians of biblical theologians...rejected these books" is inaccurate because many early Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine and St. Jerome, included the Deuterocanonical books in the canon of Scripture. St. Jerome, a biblical scholar,, and Bible translator, incorporated them in his Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. Furthermore, both the Church Councils of Hippo and Carthage in the fourth century acknowledged the Deuterocanonical texts as part of the canon. Some Christian organizations did not begin to reject these writings until the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.
Sixth, the statement "They were not seen by the Jewish people as Scripture" is inaccurate because the Deuterocanonical writings were acknowledged as Scripture by numerous Jewish communities, notably the Alexandrian Jews who translated them into Greek in the third century BC. Furthermore, the Deuterocanonical books are mentioned and alluded to multiple times in the New Testament, particularly in the book of Hebrews.
Seventh, the claim that "it's all Rome's got" and that Catholic apologists lack strong reasons to support their beliefs is inaccurate and disrespectful. There is a long heritage of theological and philosophical thought in the Catholic Church, and there are many strong reasons and evidence supporting the Catholic belief in purgatory. These include the Church Fathers' doctrines, the Councils of Florence and Trent, and the Catholic Church's Catechism.
Eighth, the claim that interpreting 1 Corinthians 3 to mean purgatory is "complete eisegesis" is erroneous. The teachings of the early Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine, who wrote about the purification of souls after death, support the interpretation of this text as referring to purgatory. Furthermore, the Councils of Florence and Trent openly acknowledged the presence of purgatory.
Overall, multiple erroneous statements in the video may be addressed using evidence from the Holy Bible, the Church Fathers, the Catholic Church Councils, and the Catholic Church Catechism. The Catholic Church recognizes purgatory as a necessary stage in achieving the holiness required to enter into the fullness of eternal life with God.
Purgatory is a man made doctrine. It makes absolutely zero sense in light of the gospel. But that’s what happens when you abandon the only binding authority.
When's your next book scheduled to be released? ;)
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New testament isnt jewish scripture either. I guess that is i the bible because... no word on that i guess
“Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.”
Romans 3:1-2 NASB1995
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV
Whenever Paul addresses them by “brethren” he is every single time getting the Jews attention. They were a light unto the gentiles during this time.
Does this help?
Technically it is scripture written by Jews
The early church clearly taught and believed in the concept of purgatory, a final purification before one can enter Heaven. Nothing impure can enter Heaven according to Revelation.
But does Scripture?
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Why must it be found in Scripture? Is there any place in Scripture which demands that all doctrine must come from Scripture? Of course not. Long before the New Testament was written or canonized the apostles were teaching about the life of Jesus and his message. None of that was in Scripture yet.
@@bridgefin That was still God's Word. Catholics are the embodiment of why deviating from Scripture ends up with doctrine all over the place. A dangerous precedent is set when a church starts doing things that we find nowhere in Scripture, especially when it comes to doctrine. Hence why Rome has so many extra Biblical teachings like Mary's sinlessness or her perpetual virginity or purgatory that you won't find in Scripture. My conscience is bound to God's Word and the Holy Spirit not some fallable men in a hierarchy.
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God's word does not tell you that all doctrine must be found in God's word. You have added that to Scripture. It is your own rule and not God's. Either show me where Scripture makes that demand or give up your non-biblical traditions.
@@bridgefin “The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;…” psalm 19:7-8, and the rest of chapter. The Hebrew for perfect is tâmîym which can mean a variety of things; truth, without blemish, complete, full, sound, without spot, undefiled, upright, whole.
I think the Apostle Paul thought of Gods word (scripture) in the same way when he described it to Timothy as “God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction (against error), for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete also…” 2 Timothy 3:16-17a
Sola Scriptura is as much NOT in Scripture as you claim Purgatory is. It surely cannot be the rule against which to determine if Purgatory exists.
How can words of men be equal to the Most High God? Without saying “Thus says the LORD”?
I would also like to add that the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures either. By your own logic you must deny the trinitarian nature of God; Father, Son, and Spirit. It’s just not a good argument for denying Sola Scriptura.
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You: How can words of men be equal to the Most High God?
Me: Scripture says that man can speak for God. Jesus told the apostles that if people hear THEM then they hear HIM. Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Human men wrote the Word of God. Now, of course, no one can do that without the protection of the Holy Spirit. We know that the scripture writers had that, Jesus obviously knows the same for the apostles, and Jesus promised the leaders of his church that the Holy Spirit would be with them forever.
Now, back to the subject. If you can't show me where Scripture demands that all doctrine MUST come from Scripture then you are pushing a man made tradition.
You: I would also like to add that the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures either. By your own logic you must deny the trinitarian nature of God; Father, Son, and Spirit. It’s just not a good argument for denying Sola Scriptura.
Me: The words "Trinity", "Incarnation", "Purgatory" are all inventions of the Catholic Church to define what Scripture implies orspeaks outright.
As for Sola Scriptura it is clearly not taught in Scripture or implied in any way. It was never heard of before Luther invented it 500 years ago.
@@bridgefin Okay! How do we know if the words men are true? What is the source by which we compare and affirm whether they are God's or not?
Christ demonstrated Sola Scriptura in real time, have you read the words Christ used when holding religious Jews accountable. Have you read Timothy and acts?