I personally love that there was a lot of VGA stuff in this auction because VGA gradings just make a lot more sense to me personally compared to WATA, WATA gives almost any game a 9.6 or 9.8 and VGA is a bit harsher which is overall better for the market. I mean of course people prefer to send their games to a grading service that easily gives out high grades left end right that is why WATA is giving out the high grades so easily, they get a lot of customers that way and make a lot of money but it also inflates the market with to many high grade games and will prevent that a lot of those hight grades will become really rare and so it makes grading and the collecting of those graded games a bad long term investment. Also i think the VGA boxes with gold badges for +85 and higher look a lot better than the WATA or CGC boxes.
I mean, I think that for modern especially wata kinda has no choice. Cases are often in mint or near mint condition on plastic case games if sealed. So even if the seal is in bad condition the box is very likely to be a high grade. A wata 9.8 a+ and a 9.8 a is like a difference between a vga 80+ and a vga 85+ even though the grade looks nearly identical. And this does seem to be the case since you do actually see a more natural distribution between grades when you go to cardboard stuff. I think the main issue with wata is just that their classification for an a+ seal grade is way to broad. And that is also where you see vga falter. As for that stuff you don't just buy the seal you buy the box condition as well and a vga 80 for cardboard could very well be a 9.6 a or something like that.
if you buy wata stuff your stupid anyway they are an corrupt mess. no idea if you saw the karl jobs video about it but wata is in assence nothing more then an big scam
Personally I rather vintage games being in VGA 90-100 condition. I recently got back a VGA 95 copy of Dracula Densetsu (Castlevania: The Adventure) in vga 95, which is very impressive for a 30+ year old game. It just hits differently when it’s vintage as opposed to modern
i have to say im not a avid Video game collector/ speculator. but i do like how you explain this hobby and you dont say everyone should be in the space.
That auction was NUTS. I’m still trying to figure out why people put up thousands of dollars for games released within the last 10 years. I’d love to hear what these people have to say.
I saw a documentary about companies scamming with these Grading games... It also showed how they make labotory made diamonds and how insane that it is - that even the best of the best experts cannot see the difference between a naturally made diamond found in the wild - compared to one made in a labotory.
Would be interested in seeing the other end of the auction, like what didn't sell strong and maybe theorize why it didn't preform well. Keep it up Greg!
I really hope Heritage keeps offering more VGA, I just got an email with a 20% VGA coupon and turn around times seem to very slowly be getting better. I need an 85+ FF VIII!
It's strange to think about because the 3DS is still active, but it won't be long before it's retro already! You didn't touch on the Metroid Prime 1 tho, Grego, grade vs price vs remaster relevance
I’d love to learn about graded fire emblem games! If you do this in the future. My favorite franchise by far! And the whole reason I’ve begun researching graded games
My friends and I played the living f out of GameCube Timesplitters 2 in high school for months. It wasn't quite like a Goldeneye high but it occupied a lot of our multiplayer time for a good while.
Greg, I got a well-used copy of Lair for PS3 for 7,90€ today. It even includes the slightly wrinkled manual. What do you think, did I get a good deal? Please don't tell me this was a bad investment, my kids are starving.
That A++ is still tricky to get. I think out of 10 from WATA, my only one is a TG16 game. Not that I can see anything wrong with the DVD-style As or A+s, but who knows.
@@GetTheGreg What I don't get are the games that looked like they were officially sealed with a heat gun, like the Castlevania DS games or stuff from Limited Run. That method just looks like shit in general, so deciding between A to A++ seems impossible, it's just seams and thin, warped plastic everywhere.
I said this before but: when microsoft finally release a console without a disc player, and perhaps sonys ps... I dont think ps6 is gonna come without a disc reader because it will be a good counter punch to xbox gamepass only option but ps7? probably. Anyway, when everything is digitally, owning "games" physically" is probably gonna become very valuable relics because kids today still grows up with physical media, even though many play/buy digitally. This might be the last generation- the kindergartens kids etc, so 15-20 years from now I think the prices will be the most valuable for physical games.
Pro opinion... Given the option, what would you choose btwn an NES Metroid cib high grade first release or two zelda cib games: snes and gamecube promotional?
The CIB first print Metroid in actual high grade is going to be multiple thousands, so like... That SNES Zelda had better be VERY NICE haha (the GameCube Zelda CIB is too worthless to even be relevant in this example) Edit: I don't know if you mean a hangtab Metroid or not by "first release". I'm assuming you did.
I’m a huge Wata switch collector and I have been grading Pokémon cards for years. I have 8 9.8 A++ Wata graded video games between 150-300 depending on the game and print. I have no idea what the difference between the 10s are and the 10s start at 1500 and go to whatever people are willing to pay.
They should have started by giving out more perfect grades, or committed to giving none at all. I guarantee if you cracked out a perfect graded game and sent it in again, it would not come back as perfect. Maybe a 0.1% chance that it would. So what does the perfect grade really mean?
Yeah that is true, very arbitrary and I wonder who would make a decision like that regardless. Seeing the prestige that comes with such a high grade I doubt that just any grader could give out a perfect grade.
That zelda is just too new, 2011, and case packs were likely in circulation until at least 5 years ago or so, and on top of that, collecting was already pretty popular when this game was running round stores, sealed. Then you have, to your point, the 10 being the draw here, AND that it's in a hell of a sturdy small plastic case, and you have a recipe for this game selling for 1/3 of this price over a fairly short period of time when vga, cgc and wata puts out population. Now every 3ds zelda will get graded and you'll see 9.6 A+ and 9.8 A++'s pour in.
@@GetTheGreg oh, I didn’t know it was rare. I’m starting to wish I hadn’t opened Metroid Prime remaster on Switch haha, it’s selling for a premium already. 150% more than retail
@@DanBlabbers Nintendo will continue printing it, don't worry! If anything, sell your open copy now and buy a sealed one was it's back on store shelves.
How the F do you rate a game LOOOL. more or less all boxes are printed the same. like does the glow of the chip on a switch game lower or higher the grade, this is lunacy.
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I personally love that there was a lot of VGA stuff in this auction because VGA gradings just make a lot more sense to me personally compared to WATA, WATA gives almost any game a 9.6 or 9.8 and VGA is a bit harsher which is overall better for the market. I mean of course people prefer to send their games to a grading service that easily gives out high grades left end right that is why WATA is giving out the high grades so easily, they get a lot of customers that way and make a lot of money but it also inflates the market with to many high grade games and will prevent that a lot of those hight grades will become really rare and so it makes grading and the collecting of those graded games a bad long term investment. Also i think the VGA boxes with gold badges for +85 and higher look a lot better than the WATA or CGC boxes.
I mean, I think that for modern especially wata kinda has no choice. Cases are often in mint or near mint condition on plastic case games if sealed. So even if the seal is in bad condition the box is very likely to be a high grade. A wata 9.8 a+ and a 9.8 a is like a difference between a vga 80+ and a vga 85+ even though the grade looks nearly identical. And this does seem to be the case since you do actually see a more natural distribution between grades when you go to cardboard stuff. I think the main issue with wata is just that their classification for an a+ seal grade is way to broad. And that is also where you see vga falter. As for that stuff you don't just buy the seal you buy the box condition as well and a vga 80 for cardboard could very well be a 9.6 a or something like that.
if you buy wata stuff your stupid anyway they are an corrupt mess. no idea if you saw the karl jobs video about it but wata is in assence nothing more then an big scam
Personally I rather vintage games being in VGA 90-100 condition. I recently got back a VGA 95 copy of Dracula Densetsu (Castlevania: The Adventure) in vga 95, which is very impressive for a 30+ year old game. It just hits differently when it’s vintage as opposed to modern
Today's vintage is yesterday's modern; these modern grabs are long-term investments
my day becomes a 9.8 A++ whenever Greg uploads
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i have to say im not a avid Video game collector/ speculator. but i do like how you explain this hobby and you dont say everyone should be in the space.
Hey, thanks! I'm glad I can provide some interesting commentary on all of this stuff!
That auction was NUTS. I’m still trying to figure out why people put up thousands of dollars for games released within the last 10 years. I’d love to hear what these people have to say.
I think invest is a big aspect
Market manipulation bro.
@@NikoNostalgia no dude, its people selling to their friends to hype up the market.
@@vgrepairs i don‘t think so
@@vgrepairs probably not
I saw a documentary about companies scamming with these Grading games... It also showed how they make labotory made diamonds and how insane that it is - that even the best of the best experts cannot see the difference between a naturally made diamond found in the wild - compared to one made in a labotory.
Would be interested in seeing the other end of the auction, like what didn't sell strong and maybe theorize why it didn't preform well. Keep it up Greg!
I really hope Heritage keeps offering more VGA, I just got an email with a 20% VGA coupon and turn around times seem to very slowly be getting better. I need an 85+ FF VIII!
Light at the end of the tunnel for VGA (FINALLY)🤞
Thanks for the update the prices are changing all the time.🙏👍💰
Two words... Money Laundering.
It's always the darn money laundry
Timesplitters has a cult following and we tend to come out of the woodwork when the rumors of a new sequel start to circulate.
Haha apparently so!
Loved this video you should do more like this.
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It's strange to think about because the 3DS is still active, but it won't be long before it's retro already! You didn't touch on the Metroid Prime 1 tho, Grego, grade vs price vs remaster relevance
I’m all about sealed NES, SNES, etc boxed games. However, the prices paid for the plastic clamshell era games I find slightly ridiculous.
I’d love to learn about graded fire emblem games! If you do this in the future. My favorite franchise by far! And the whole reason I’ve begun researching graded games
Greg as always bringing the 🔥
Thanks man!
You should do a video going through all of Rally’s games and do a comparison to the current market and where the current bid is at.
Rally haha... Are they still in business!? That's a good idea. I'll have to see what I can find!
Greg can you make a video about all the graded 10 games that exist 🙏🏻
My friends and I played the living f out of GameCube Timesplitters 2 in high school for months. It wasn't quite like a Goldeneye high but it occupied a lot of our multiplayer time for a good while.
You know there is already CGC pop reports 😏
now this was a video , good stuff dude
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Greg, I got a well-used copy of Lair for PS3 for 7,90€ today. It even includes the slightly wrinkled manual. What do you think, did I get a good deal? Please don't tell me this was a bad investment, my kids are starving.
I'm sorry I have to be the one to tell you this, but you may want to look into selling the kids while they still have value
Bro timesplitters 2 is amazing that game was literally my childhood. I still play it to this day lmao no surprise it did well here
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That A++ is still tricky to get. I think out of 10 from WATA, my only one is a TG16 game. Not that I can see anything wrong with the DVD-style As or A+s, but who knows.
The A++ is definitely a tight grade, but the variance you can find within A+s and As is pretty vast...
@@GetTheGreg What I don't get are the games that looked like they were officially sealed with a heat gun, like the Castlevania DS games or stuff from Limited Run. That method just looks like shit in general, so deciding between A to A++ seems impossible, it's just seams and thin, warped plastic everywhere.
Has VGA had any updates about their pop reports?
Nope, nothing yet
I said this before but: when microsoft finally release a console without a disc player, and perhaps sonys ps... I dont think ps6 is gonna come without a disc reader because it will be a good counter punch to xbox gamepass only option but ps7? probably. Anyway, when everything is digitally, owning "games" physically" is probably gonna become very valuable relics because kids today still grows up with physical media, even though many play/buy digitally. This might be the last generation- the kindergartens kids etc, so 15-20 years from now I think the prices will be the most valuable for physical games.
You're awesome greg
No you're awesome
Pro opinion... Given the option, what would you choose btwn an NES Metroid cib high grade first release or two zelda cib games: snes and gamecube promotional?
The CIB first print Metroid in actual high grade is going to be multiple thousands, so like... That SNES Zelda had better be VERY NICE haha (the GameCube Zelda CIB is too worthless to even be relevant in this example)
Edit: I don't know if you mean a hangtab Metroid or not by "first release". I'm assuming you did.
@@GetTheGreg I did mean the hang tab version Greg. Thanks for the input and your response. 👍🏽
Any word on the Harmony of Dissonance print run? I was the underbidder, and hope to get one in high grade eventually.
No word on it yet unfortunately 🔍
I hate how Switch games are hitting these prices... I much rather use that money on Cardboard games
I'd almost rather use that money on anything if we are talking second prints😅
no matter what is happening... the porkemans are never gonna fail 🤣🤣📈📈
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Do you think Luigi's Mansion for 3ds would be worth a lot if it has a high grade?
I'm a simple man, I see Golden sun, I like.
I’m a huge Wata switch collector and I have been grading Pokémon cards for years. I have 8 9.8 A++ Wata graded video games between 150-300 depending on the game and print. I have no idea what the difference between the 10s are and the 10s start at 1500 and go to whatever people are willing to pay.
They should have started by giving out more perfect grades, or committed to giving none at all. I guarantee if you cracked out a perfect graded game and sent it in again, it would not come back as perfect. Maybe a 0.1% chance that it would. So what does the perfect grade really mean?
Yeah that is true, very arbitrary and I wonder who would make a decision like that regardless. Seeing the prestige that comes with such a high grade I doubt that just any grader could give out a perfect grade.
I agree. I'd love to know the process of them deciding to actually give out the 100.
Does VGA have any grading cheaper than Premium?
Nope, they've been stuck at that $90 or whatever minimum price for quite awhile now.
Can I talk about the Nintendo world championship controller that sold over a year ago
great stuff Greg!
That zelda is just too new, 2011, and case packs were likely in circulation until at least 5 years ago or so, and on top of that, collecting was already pretty popular when this game was running round stores, sealed. Then you have, to your point, the 10 being the draw here, AND that it's in a hell of a sturdy small plastic case, and you have a recipe for this game selling for 1/3 of this price over a fairly short period of time when vga, cgc and wata puts out population. Now every 3ds zelda will get graded and you'll see 9.6 A+ and 9.8 A++'s pour in.
mind numbing that a 40 dollar game Zelda 3ds which could still be bought sealed brand new as of recently goes for that much LOL
How do I contact you? I have an ad
Zelda for $17k is bananas
Greg gives me Donkey Kong vibes, good shiz!
Haha I'll take it 😎
Dont get anything from watta
What's a watta
I never see ukg graded games in these acutions, are they not popular /respected or what?
These auctions are largely north american centric so they just aren't included by nature. As far as PAL collecting goes, UKG seems to be the leader!
@@GetTheGreg oh i didn't know that, thank you!!
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this market will take years to work itself out
Stop lying Greg you bought that oot to make up for your og 8.5 😂😊
Christ haha, I could have like a 95 OOT N64 for this price!
@@GetTheGreg 🤣
Oh crap I gotta check my harmony of dissonance
Do you know which is which haha
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if you need confidence to invest .. don't invest 🤣
You only invest in stuff you're not confident in? 🤔
Why the hell did Fortnite ps4 sell for $1200??
Xbox one version passed $1200 too haha for 9.2 A+. Original Fornite physical is just not at all easy to find!
@@GetTheGreg oh, I didn’t know it was rare. I’m starting to wish I hadn’t opened Metroid Prime remaster on Switch haha, it’s selling for a premium already. 150% more than retail
@@DanBlabbers Nintendo will continue printing it, don't worry! If anything, sell your open copy now and buy a sealed one was it's back on store shelves.
First?
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How the F do you rate a game LOOOL. more or less all boxes are printed the same. like does the glow of the chip on a switch game lower or higher the grade, this is lunacy.
The market needs a good crash