COLIN BAKER STAYS FOR SEASON 24 | Doctor Who What If...?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- COLIN BAKER played the SIXTH DOCTOR on TV screens from 1984 to 1986, refusing to return to shoot a regeneration or any follow up story in 1987... but what if...
What if he DID stay? How would the Sixth Doctor fit in to these bright and breezy season? Would the stories have to change their style and tone to accommodate him? Join me as we discuss the possibilities of Colin Baker retaining the keys to the TARDIS, during SEASON 24!
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Such a shame we didn't see another season with colin in the role, he didn't deserve what happened him. good video Adam!
Thank you!
He didn't deserve seasons 22 or 23, either.
@@royalsfan What do you mean ?
@@yuri7885 the writing was mostly terrible.
@@royalsfan Speak for yourself, it's actually my favorite era of the whole show lol
Colin remains my favorite incarnation of Dr Who. I can totally see almost all of Season 24 working for him now you mention it, and it’s not as though he wasn’t given one or two poor scripts in earlier seasons that he still made work (Timelash for instance). If I had just one wish to change Colin’s era I would give him the originally planned Season 23 in 1985 back, and keep Trial of a Timelord as is. I have so enjoyed the Big Finish audio of those stories, and I think they would have been great on TV. If I had two wishes then I’d give him Season 24 too 😊
I would love to see another one of this but with what Doctor Who would have been if it hasn't been axed after season 26
There is a documentary on the Survival DVD about that.
@Dadoctorwhofan
Colin definitely deserved another season ( and way better treatment by the BBC and fandom) but, I'd feel bad if giving him that had cost us Sylvester.
My what if list:
Tom Baker stayed for another season, with Adrian, Tegan and Nysa as his Tardis crew
Roger Delgado lived longer and we got a story with his Master meeting the 4th Doctor
Instead of just the cartoon, Richard E Grant got to be a proper, live action Doctor
Jodi Whitaker regenerated into another actress, and we got a second lady Doctor
Colin’s legacy may have been better served by not being in Season 24. The problem is that Season 24 is already viewed as the weakest in the classic series by many (including me)… largely due to poor writing and campy production. I fear Colin would have taken much of the blame, even if it wasn’t his fault… because it was easy to blame the guy in the brightly-colored coat. I fear it could have killed the series at that point. While Sylvester was getting his footing for much of the season, making it his weakest season overall, viewers and BBC management seemed more forgiving of him than they were of Colin. At the time, the 16-year old me placed a lot of the blame for the show’s decline on Colin’s portrayal of the Doctor. I have since realized that belief was mistaken, but I do think he dodged a bullet by missing out on the show’s worst season.
The Flux : hold my beer
John Nathan Turner was on the staff at the BBC. So they were stuck with him. He wasn't well liked and was seen as a nuisance because his big dream was to bring back "Compact", a dire 60s soap set in the office of a women's fashion/lifestyle magazine. He dreamt of getting a different celebrity guest each week and transferred that ambition onto Dr Who. Resulting in such clever casting choices as turning down *Peter Cushing* in favour of _Leonard Sachs_ the master of ceremonies on "The Good Old Days". The idea being that Sachs was more "Showbiz".
The BBC kept him on Dr Who as they hoped he'd get fed up and quit. They'd also got fed up of Dr Who despite the money it brought in to BBC Enterprises.
How Dragonfire could be reworked into a regeneration episode? Force him to sacrifice himself to save someone from Cain (and have that specifically lead to Cain being trapped with the sunlight) is how I'd go for it. _That_ Doctor sacrificing himself for someone - Not Ace, not Mel, not Glitz, someone he doesn't know - seems the ideal lead in to his regeneration to me.
A What If of this nature that might be fun - What If JNT listened to the advice Sydney Newman gave for rejuvinating the show. S24 with Patrick Troughton, S25-26 with a woman in the part (I'm going to go with Joanna Lumley as our hypothetical Doctor for this question because quite honestly she'd have made a fantastic Doctor)
Oh that's another good What If for the production - What if the TVM had have lead to a full season staring Paul McGann?
Also might be interesting, though I know Big Finish have adapted all of them for audio - What If the original S23 had been made instead of Trial. The one that was going to open with a Celestial Toymaker story set in Blackpool.
What if the regeneration story were held over to the start of the next season? With *Remembrance* as his final outing?
The Sixth Doctor sacrificing himself for someone he doesn't know would've been such a powerful ending to his character, especially given how he first started with his post-regenerative mania leading to him attack Peri, having him save a random person would've been a really powerful gut check and would've given Colin - who was incredible as the Doctor when he was given stuff he could really get his teeth into - the send-off that he deserved.
I cannot see the 6th sacrificing himself for others - not really his mo. He wasn't a NuWho doctor lol.
If they were going to do a regeneration they would use that Star Child as a thing. Seeing the story seemed to focus on her a bit at points but nothing came from it. - a Black and White Guardian type thing - the Mother being the Black element. Of course the story would have too be re structured to fit it all in lol.
I would love a what if Peter stayed for Season 22
My thoughts too. Can’t really envisage seeing the 5th doctor in the more violent season 22.
@@craigtucker9441 Season 21 was pretty violent, especially with Resurrection and Caves. Even Warriors was quite violent, despite a dodgy Myrka injecting unintentional laughs.
Vengeance On Varos was originally going to be a Fifth Doctor story.
The fact is had Colin stayed season 24 would have been comprised of the already written unused season 23 scripts that became the “Lost Stories” i.e. “The Nightmare Fair,” Mission to Magnus,” “Leviathan,” “The Hollows of Time,” “Paradise 5,” “Point of Entry,” “Song of Megaptera,” and “The Macros.” I mean who didn’t want to see Michael Gough return as The Celestial Toymaker?
Probably not as script editor Eric Saward had left and Andrew Cartmel would’ve wanted to commission his own.
@@macey74 as this is all purely just hypothetical speculation knowing JNT he would have used the existing scripts already paid commissions to save money and increase the productions sfx. Andrew Cartmel might not have even become script editor under those different circumstances. Even McCoy might not have succeeded Colin as he may not have been available in his schedule. In showbiz as they say “timing is everything.”
I love these kind of videos I would love you to do more like what would a series with 8th doctor look like if the tv movie was a success
I do like this video Adam, and IMO Colin Baker really deserved to be the Dr for at least one more season or even 2 more seasons. I do say that seasons 24 and 25 could have worked with Colin Baker still the Doctor, and IMO Colin when he appeared in 70s science fiction series Blakes Seven as a villain Bayban in episode City at the Edge of the World he was awesome in B7 and I wish in billions Colin could have been cast as Blake in B7 I can easily envisage Colin as Blake and working alongside Paul Darrow, michael Keating, Jan Chappell and also the rest of the regular B7 cast such as Jacqueline Pearce the arch-enemy Servalan . Jacqueline herself appeared in classic Dr Who in the 2 Drs and she as the villain Chessene was awesome.
Thanks to Big Finish. We got more than a third season with 6. 🥰
It's a shame we didn't have the 6th Doctor for longer but Season 24 was sort of put together in a rush without much of the input of Andrew Cartmel as script editor. As such alot of the stories buy into Sylvester McCoy's physical comedy background so were therefore written (as sorts) with him in mind rather than Colin Baker. Season's 25 and 26 were darker due to Cartmel having established his influence on the direction of the show by then. The only story from Season 24 that would have fitted the 6th Doctor without much of a rewrite would have been 'Time And The Rani' given that Pip and Jane Baker wrote alot of it before knowing who the 7th Doctor would be and what his characterisitics were so they wrote it as if they writing another 6th Doctor story. It's still an interesting concept though in what Season 24 could have turned out with the 6th Doctor although I feel it would have been alot different (for better or worse) than what we got. Would have been interesting to see how Doctor Who would have carried on into the 70's if Troughton had done another season as that would have looked very different also how the 5th Doctor would have handled Season 22. Good video nonetheless.
I think the best outcome would have been the season opens with Paradise Towers, the Delta, then Time and the Rani (and sixth dies at the end as originally scripted) and then dragon fire. Colin gets 11 out of 14 eps and the whole cast changes in the last 2 stories.
If Colin Baker hadn't been fired from Doctor Who by Michael Grade, Time and the Rani would like seen the 6th Doctor unconscious when The TARDIS crashes on Lakertya and no regeneration. I met Colin Baker in 2011, and I told him it wasn't his fault. He appreciated what I said.
EVERYTHING about the downturn in viewers for season 23 was due to the BBC and Titwanker Grade interference. THEY had the nerve to blame JNT and others for Doctor Who being 'cheap' omitting the simple fact Grade and the BBC were SOLELY responsible for the show's budget.
They had the FINAL say on everything. Including the budget. And not only Doctor Who.
As for the 'decline' in season 22 ratings? Not true. They were actually an increase on season 21.
In fact, the overall quality of the show, during season 21 and 22, was a improvement on season 20 in both scripts and presentation.
Twin Dilemma? As with "Time Flight" or "The King's Demons" they should've used that money for another story or held it over for the first story of the next season.
Colin Baker in season 24? I think his portrayal would've been better then before but the production and scripts would've hampered any good IMHO.
David
What if The Fourth Doctor had touched those two strands together? Would a Dalek free universe be better, or would The Doctor's fears about good things (alliances being formed etc.), not happening without the motivation and necessitation provided by the Daleks, be proven to be valid?
He did not leave in his own term but was forced out and fired to make a clean slate.
Colin had intentions to actually break Tom’s 7 season record.
But the scripts and Eric Seward did not help Colin’s career.
I think I could see an animated miniseries with Colin Baker taking place between Trial of a Time Lord and Time and The Rani, which would show directly on-screen why he regenerated at the beginning of that episode. That being said, I'd prioritize animated Eighth Doctor Adventures first, as he really deserves more stories.
They're making it!
@@timleopardxolodetails please?!
In a perfect world Colin Baker would've been the doctor until the classic series ended
In a perfect world, the classic series wouldn't have ended, and wouldn't be known as the 'classic series'.
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I was at an event where Colin Baker told us that he had wanted one more season, but was prepared to do just one more story. He wanted a chance to round off his character and reach a satisfying conclusion. He'd been persuaded to take the part as he was told that his character would develop over several seasons and that the harsh, abrasive manner he started with would slowly be peeled away.
then why'd he not do one final story? I thought it was because at the time he wouldn't take no season as an answer & later he'd regret not getting the chance to have that final story.
@cillianennis9921 The BBC wouldn't let him do even a whole episode. They just wanted him to do a regeneration scene.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 I still feel like there was an interview where he said about it being him who kinda didn't want an episode. But maybe I am misremembering will look around anyway.
@cillianennis9921 I think they asked him to appear _in_ an episode, but didn't want him doing much more than get just get killed. That's what I remember from a Dr Who event I saw him at. It was a while ago, so I may be getting it wrong.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 I looked it up but only found something about the version you told me but I do feel like I heard it in reviews & stuff enough to say that it at least was a possibility or maybe it was just a version of the story that kinda became accepted without any direct proof & people just said it as they thought it was true. But at least Colin got his doctor in Big Finish. Being turned from a kinda hated doctor due to his characterisation to the way he actually wanted to play him. When I firstly heard of his original idea about being the doctor for 5 or 10 years it made me feel sorry for him having the eejits in charge basically sabotage him & the show because they didn't listen to their actor. As tom Baker said the doctor was his favourite character to play because it was himself & they never gave Colin that chance on screen.
What if Eccleston didn't leave at the end of series 1?
I think that, the further you get into Season 24, the less Colin works in it. For me, the stories suit Sylvester better and better. I would definitely want the last two stories of the season to not be what they were if it was still the 6th Doctor.
I do agree with you - Paradise Towers would still suit Colin's Doctor. Provided its tone is kept darker than how it actually came out with Sylvester.
Ideally, though, I would have preferred an entirely different set of stories if it had still been Colin. I do think Sylvester ends up giving us a decent first season (fans tend to give Season 24 more flack than it deserves). Because of this, I can really only see Sykvester in those stories. So I'd rather see Colin get an entirely different season. But if I had to compromise - then give Colin Sly's first two stories and give him two totally new ones for the second half of the season.
Great video Adam! Would love to see another theory video on what would've happened if Christopher Eccleston had stayed for series 2!
Another excellent video but I must admit I miss the sequence from when Who videos were on the main channel and was excepting it to be adapted for this channel
I believe Time and The Rani was written as a 6th Doctor story (would have been the regeneration story had Colin accepted)
lovely video! i’d love to see one on if hartnell hadn’t left at the beginning of season 4
I loved this what if. Keep the videos coming Adam!
Thank you!
Convinced? CONVINCED?
CONVINCED?!
Given he was strong armed into his Doctor's choice of clothing by Mr. Turner and not exactly met with open arms by Mr. Grade. (Grade sacked/fired him.), Colin had to be one of the most ill used actors to portray the Doctor... Now sadly joined by Jodie with Chris's issues still leaving some of us wondering...
Colin GOT F’ing SCREWED 🤬😢🤬
Time and the Rani was SO damn lame 🤬
Colin played the Doctor with gravitas, pomposity, wit, righteous indignation.
Sylvester played the Doctor more in line with HIS favorite Doctor... Troughton's.
He was the master of being an enigma... contrasting sad, comic, and serious. We would have gotten more of the backstory with the mysterious Other... contemporary of Rassilon and Omega. Doctors Six and Seven never the twain's stories should meet...
Am I the only one NOT obsessed with the blue or black suits for the 6th Doctor? As garish as it was and as much as Colin himself hated it, the multicolor patchwork coat is up there with the most iconic clothes of the show, you can't look at that coat without thinking of Doctor Who!
I would love to have seen the Sixth Doctor return to TV as he was depicted in Justin Richards' novel Grave Matters, which IMHO is the best Sixth Doctor story of all as - to give two examples - the Doctor dresses and behaves more practically and sensibly than he did in S22 & 23. It also had the best Doctor/Peri relationship version where they were in more of a "chums working together" relationship like the Fourth Doctor and Sarah-Jane. Either way, I'd have changed all the stories in S24, because it was (sadly) appalling.
Seventh Doctor (1988-91)
Eighth Doctor (1992-94)
The Ninth Doctor (1995-98)
what if tom baker was in the five doctors instead of archive footage
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The stories of Season 24 probably wouldn't have suited Colin as much - although if they kept the tone darker, Paradise Towers may have worked quite well, and it would have been great to see him in a story with the Rani, sans Master. Of later McCoy stories, The Happiness Patrol and Greatest Show would have been interesting, and for eras past - say for instance, if Nightmare of Eden hadn't been made at the time and then scripted in a late Season 21/Season 22 style (and redesigned the Mandrells), Colin would have shone I think - whilst his emphasis and delivery would be different to Tom, seeing Colin taking down Tryst could have been a 6th Doctor highlight. He definitely deserved a third season and more, but it wasn't to be.
LOL. Season 24 where stories involving mass murder and genocide are "campy", thanks to guest actors hamming it up and Michael Grade demanding "no violence". Time and the Rani ends with implied genocide. Delta uses it as a main plot point. Was Kane from Dragonfire the last of his kind? And Paradise Towers was a colony that nearly went extinct...
Colin would work well, but the production would have had to have improved, and demanding all actors take it seriously.
can you do
Sylvester Mcoy staying on for Season 27
Paul Mcgann doing Series 1 to possibly 3 or more in the 2005 reboot
if David Tennant was the 9th Doctor and how Series 1 would go and how him being the first nuwho Doctor would change things
so by 2009 he would of done 4 series and the 5 specials not 3 series
if Scream of the Shalka was cannon and Richard E Grant came back for the 2005 reboot
if Tom Baker stopped as 5 Seasons like he wanted and Peter Davison or possibly Colin Baker since Peter would be younger this time came on
and If Peter Capaldi or Richard E Grant had done, or Sylvester Mcoy and had been allowed to stay on and do now with Ace as could of came on and only didn't due to the Regeneration but now can Ace
No. Those stories would have looked far different than we know, even presuming they were written for Colin's Doctor. There are 3 out 4 stories, finally novelised, that were never produced. They most likely have taken the extended 6th Doctor in a different direction... That of the 'blue clothes'.
My poor, second favorite Doctor... 😟
Would have loved another season with Colin, but not with those stories. McCoy’s writers were terrible. JNT was wrong to sideline writers like Terrance Dicks, Bob Baker, etc. who knew how to write good DW stories.
How about the actual season 24 that they had planned for Colin Baker, not just rehashing what was 24. I could see if Colin got his normal season that this would be season 25 but I could see them after Paradise Towers regenerating and right out of the gate the first McCoy adventure probably would be Delta and the Bannerman and therefore by Dragonfire he'd be in prime form. Now that would be a great send-off for the 6th that in Paradise Towers in the last moment the battle cost him his life. For the future, how about either a season 6B with the second doctor or the eighth doctor and how you'd go through those adventures when it came to putting it on television. Say for a 4-year run, like it was eluded to in the movie?
Colin works in audio and prose not on tv. It has to do with 1 thing the fact that Colin's voice is much like that of a voice actor you feel that he is this character, his acting isn't overshadowed by people behind the scenes like JNT or Eric Seward.
I believe there's evidence of a scrapped season 23, when the show went on hiatus, which would've been a more traditional season, with classic monsters & villains appearing. But it was shelved in favor of the Trial season.
What if the Tenth Doctor regenerated fully into Matt Smith in Journey’s End?
I would have done it this way: Open the season with Delta, a good lighthearted start to the season. Then follow it with paradise towers, colin would have thrived on that episode outraging at the rules and regs despite the towers obvious decay and inequality. Then i would have Time and the Rani. The story would essentially be the same. The doctor still gets amnesia from being forced down by the Rani and drugged. The difference would be that instead of beyus sacrificing his life, it would be the doctor and triggering his regeneration. Then Dragonfire would be a post Regeneration story of the Doctor still recovering from trauma and trying to find himself, so engages in this adventure trying to do just that. It would end the same, mel leaves and ace joins. But the difference would be that the doctor at the end has fully healed and realised what sort of person this regeneration was, leading up to Remembrance. The 7th doctor would never have had the transitional season and would have become the chessmaster almost straight away and tge sixth would have got his ending, albeit in the third story.
Please do a what if Doctor Who wasn’t axed in 1989 cast all doctors from 1990-present
Out of the entire series only Paradise Towers and possibly Dragonfire would of worked the other stories would of been something different or very different in tone and context. As I can see 6th giving a rant at Kane with a hint of his famous smugness lol. For me I always felt paradise towers was intended to be a 6th Dr story it has that vibe.
What if Troughton stayed - would we of got Spearheads from Space? Was it written for the 2nd Doctor in mind? Or what if the 1st Doctor had not regenerated and completed the entire of season 4
From what I have seen of Colin baker’s doctor on dvd and on Pluto tv he is a good doctor but with the show being like a bad word with the hierarchy of the bbc it was lucky to make it to season 26 cause the “18 month hiatus” wasn’t originally supposed to happen the original plan was after season 22 the bbc was going to actually cancel the show it to a fan outcry from fans and a terrible charity song to get them to just call it a hiatus as they hashed out the details of season 23
Who had such a bad press at the time. The usual dregs of the UK press hammered Colin for his costume and that the show was too violent.
i liked it as with it being on midweek I wouldn’t miss it if I went to the football with my dad and also it delayed me starting my homework!
I remember to this day being blown away by the opening effects shot for The Mysterious Planet and thinking “surely this can’t be the BBC”. They were producing some good effects laden TV at the time such as The Tripods.
I mean, call Delta light if you want, but it does have the holiday makers get killed with nary a remark...
Colin baker was very different stong dark study’s
5:40 - Paradise Towers was apparently a holdover. I forget where I read it (DVD text commentary?) that the line "your clothes are ice hot" was written for Colin's jacket.
You mentioned Diemensions being 30 yrs old, not forgetting The Three Doctors 50th, The Five Doctors 40th The Day of The Doctor 10th. Any way you mentioned Colin's doctor doing Sylvesters Doctors' stories, what if they went back to the original s23 stories since they were scrap for Trail? OK, now most or all these have been made now, thanks to Big Finsh plus what if Colin didn't leave the show I wonder would the 7th Doctor was later cast and we did not have any voyages with no gap years from 89 to 96 to 2005???
I would have loved to see Colin baker in series 24 and he could regeneration in series 24 then that would work really good
I actually like colin baker Nice guy. I love attack Cyberman
Oh hey I made that blue suit 6 in the thumbnail crazy. Not mad about it just funny to see it in the wild.
He should have been allowed to have a full run. He was marvelous and deserved better treatment.
Bad background music is almost as bad as the narrator.
Great video. I want to be in a universe where we can see every doctor in delta and the bannerman now. William Hartnell and Peter capaldi especially
The Monk should have returned in Season 24
You can only blame the BBC for wanting to cancel DW (instead of JNT, Baker and McCoy) because they didn’t see the future of low-budget science fiction. The 2009 resurgence was the greatest thing that could have happened as the BBC mindset realized they simply couldn’t get by importing US series like Battlestar Galactica, Space 1999; those series were simply outside their budget as well.
Space 1999 isn't American, either.
This is really interesting and I love your take on it, but I think if Colin Baker had've stayed on it would've been a completely different season. For starters, the first serial would most likely have been a proper meeting story for Mel. On the whole, it would've been a more light-hearted season on par with what we actually got because that was Michael Grade's other demand (besides sacking Baker): that the show have more humour. Colin really got done dirty by the BBC because he's a really great actor and he had some really great moments, especially when he was attacking his own people for their moral stance (or lack thereof) in The Trial of a Time Lord.
They have done it. What if Dr Who was a woman.
Lenny Henry as the Seventh Doctor
What if the Time War never happen ?
If C. Baker had carried on the first change I would have liked to have seen would have been that Coat ..
Now now the coat certainly gave him character. That said a change to the blue coat from “Real Time” might have been a possibility.
I hate how they couldn’t even hide Slyvester’s hair under THAT twig.
Time and the Rani was written as Colin’s regeneration story. He would have been in Beyus’ place at the end during the explosion, triggering regeneration.
Great video 🌟
That was interesting and I think I could see Dragonfire as a Regeneration story and I would have the Doctor get infected with something and If I was the writer for Dragonfire, I would find that challenging.
There was a bunch of stories that was not used. If you look at the trial Of a time Lord they talk about that. There was a story about the autons and the ambassador and ramaybe. They would've worked at season that they didn't use into this one and by the end of it he would regenerate
It would be so cool to have an animated dc who show with past doctors
DELTA was light? I don't think it was. It was rather darker than we thought. Dragonfire is awful.
First: NO to the blue outfit. The multi colored jacket IS the Sixth Doctor and without it, it doesn't work as HIM. Sorry, that's just how it has cemented itself.