Should 1960s Doctor Who Be COLOURISED? | AMTV WHO NEWS

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @DougBohm
    @DougBohm Год назад +140

    It would be a good idea to upgrade to 4K and colorize it, so that the footage may be used for future storylines that require a call back to the original material.

    • @ClockMaster-mq2hm
      @ClockMaster-mq2hm Год назад +16

      ok, *that* is - in fact - a good point!

    • @stephenpalmer9375
      @stephenpalmer9375 Год назад +13

      I think for most of that, because it was not done on film stock, that upgrading to 4K is fundamentally impossible (except for Spearhead in Space, and some location footage)

    • @christianemden7637
      @christianemden7637 Год назад +5

      I can see how reusing old material would be appealing, but colorized BW series just look odd, and in my eyes wrong. I own a dvd set if the mark if zorro, offering a colorized version if the movie, and it actually ruins the picture. The story was shot mindfully in black and white, shades used with deliberation. Why destroy a directors vision, by coloring it afterwards.

    • @DrGamingPlays
      @DrGamingPlays Год назад +2

      @404 TV I think the B&W episodes prior Enemy of the World were shot at an interlaced 405 line resolution, and there is only so much than can be done.

    • @davemoore5222
      @davemoore5222 Год назад +6

      I have seen 4k upscaled video from 525 line interlaced NTSC sources that looked exceptional in 2160p (525 = around 480i). I have also seen 1940s (and 1920s silent) films that have been colourised that look exceptional in 1080p and 2160p. (Others have been woeful.)
      However, the people who have done this work spent many hundreds of hours on those tasks. Someone has to pay for that time and expertise. Maybe a start with some ‘choice’ stories to gauge the responses to the upgrades might be worthwhile, but the costs must be taken into account when considering whether the project of wholesale upgrades is feasible - are people willing to pay for it.

  • @zacmumblethunder7466
    @zacmumblethunder7466 Год назад +17

    William Hartnell often said that it was a shame that the viewers at home couldn't see the beautiful colours that the designers and costumiers used.

  • @carldurrell9943
    @carldurrell9943 Год назад +62

    I think Colorisation is great as long as the original is preserved so user can watch which version they like and can still watch the way it was originally shot and directed.
    I am also a fan of the 60s tv series the Avengers and older episodes of that would look good in colour and I love the New Avengers and even though in Colour hope that the New Avengers one day gets restored in best picture quality possible from the original film before it deteriorates like they did a fantastic job restoring the Professionals another show I love.

    • @eliminatehumanitysoon
      @eliminatehumanitysoon Год назад +1

      colorizing doesn;t change how it was shot and directed. it literally just adds color.

    • @carldurrell9943
      @carldurrell9943 Год назад +1

      I meant light and shadow

    • @rjjcms1
      @rjjcms1 Год назад +3

      I don't see why not if they do it well,but viewers should have the choice whether to watch the colourised or black and white versions.

    • @Mark-nh2hs
      @Mark-nh2hs Год назад +3

      They do this anyway with the animated missing stories - you can watch it b&w or in colour. So people don't need to flap lol

    • @haydnforisz4459
      @haydnforisz4459 Год назад

      This is the most sensible option.

  • @DrGamingPlays
    @DrGamingPlays Год назад +50

    I like the last point you made... it's not as if the B&W versions are going away if they do decide to colorize a few stories.

    • @Grim2
      @Grim2 Год назад +2

      In a way they might if BBC starts making it the default version on TV and streaming making originals harder and harder to find. Case in point, STAR TREK TOS - it's unreasonably difficult to find the original version without the PS1 level CGI.

    • @Dragonfly-0010
      @Dragonfly-0010 Год назад

      @@Grim2 The B&W stories that exist are all available to buy on dvd. The BBC are not going to go into peoples homes to remove them, they will always be out there.

    • @zacmumblethunder7466
      @zacmumblethunder7466 Год назад

      @@Grim2 I may be out of touch, but this is why I like DVDs. Nobody can come around and replace a favourite film or TV show with cgi etc, and tell me to be grateful that it's been improved.

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 Год назад +1

      @@Grim2 I don't think they're on TV cuz I think they're only like one streaming service and that's britbox and a bunch of Blu-ray DVDs

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 Год назад

      @@zacmumblethunder7466 don't they Decay and don't listen to that guy Doctor Who's already kind of hard to find online cuz it keeps f****** moving although I think the Classic Series has been set on britbox for a while

  • @MightyElemental
    @MightyElemental Год назад +21

    I'd love to have the B&W episodes in color.

  • @derekhart3308
    @derekhart3308 Год назад +17

    Yes I'd love see full episodes of Hartnell and Troughton in colour

  • @stephenpalmer9375
    @stephenpalmer9375 Год назад +33

    I promise you, if the original creators could have made the episodes in colour? They would have done. It wasn't a creative decision, it was a technical/financial one. Additionally, colorisation has come on in leaps and bounds. I remember seeing the original colorised versions of 'It's a Wonderful Life' and 'Night of the Living Dead', and they look gaudy and distracting. Nowadays, they look pretty amazing.
    And as you say, it isn't as if they are taking the B/W versions away (well, I realise they kinda did lol) - it's just something nice and new.

    • @flaggerify
      @flaggerify Год назад +2

      But they weren't shot in colour were they? So decisions were made at the time to use the best filters and on set tones to take advantage of the b&w.

    • @stephenpalmer9375
      @stephenpalmer9375 Год назад

      @@flaggerify I know what you are saying. Though rather than take advantage, I suggest it was more to get over the limitations - for example the tardis interior was a pale green so it would show as white on the BW stock. However you can colorise with this in mind. And maybe it’s horses for courses. You can’t tell me that Marco Polo wouldn’t look amazing in colour (as per the on set photos we have), but something like the Web of Fear might well look better with the moody monochrome!

  • @benmiller3252
    @benmiller3252 Год назад +19

    I like the idea of the black and white doctor who being in colourised

  • @michaelelsy2209
    @michaelelsy2209 Год назад +10

    I don't mind them being colourised aslong as it's well done and still get both versions on DVD/Blu-ray.

  • @cybermatstrikes7557
    @cybermatstrikes7557 Год назад +17

    I would totally re-purchase the Hartnell and Troughton eras in colour and 4k AI upscale! If done to a high standard I don't believe it's an issue. You always have black and white. This is where AI might prove very useful.

    • @cybermatstrikes7557
      @cybermatstrikes7557 Год назад +1

      @404 TV it’s an emerging tech but in the hands of skilled people it has potential. Humans alone won’t be able to do it.

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 Год назад +3

      @404 TV It certainly doesn't need upscaling, which introduces all sorts of spurious effects.
      I watch the original Doctor Who on a 17" 405-line set, and it is more than adequate.
      It isn't intended to be a big-screen blockbuster.

  • @colinmoore7460
    @colinmoore7460 Год назад +10

    Because the original B&W versions are available, I would have no problem with colourized version!

  • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
    @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 Год назад +57

    Personally, I find it a fascinating experience to see what it'd look like in color

    • @ShamrockParticle
      @ShamrockParticle Год назад +1

      Using qhat palette scheme? Teal and orange will be trite, but being as outlandish as the sixth doctor's coat is just as horrible.

    • @davidevans3227
      @davidevans3227 Год назад

      someone's idea of colour?;

  • @Dalekzilla
    @Dalekzilla Год назад +6

    I think the idea of having these episodes in the original B and W AND in colour is fantastic. I would be so happy to get to see an entire Hartnell or Troughton serial in colour.

  • @davidallan1098
    @davidallan1098 Год назад +14

    It'd be interesting to see some episodes in colour but I'd rather the time and effort went into high quality reconstructions of missing episodes.

  • @christopheralthouse6378
    @christopheralthouse6378 Год назад +14

    I was a B&W for 60s Who purist for many a year…and the color version of “Power of The Daleks” did nothing to dissuade that as I found the colorized version to be WAAAAY too brightly lit for the story. However, all that said, I TOO wound up watching the animation of “Evil of The Daleks” in full color as that was the only version of that animation available to stream. THAT colorized animation frankly blew me away and made “Evil” my solid Number 1 FAVORITE Patrick Troughton serial hands-down!
    So, as it stands now, I’m no longer a B&W 60s Who purist. All I ask is that the colorization be done in a way that properly respects the lighting and shadows of the original as it is THOSE aspects that create the proper atmosphere and mood. “Evil” did just that, making the full-color version a true masterpiece and a pleasure to watch. “Power”, however, did not and that made the full-color version absolutely HORRID to watch.
    Get the lighting and shadow right FIRST and let the color complement that and you’ll have absolute WINNERS, IMHO…☺️😁

    • @Mark-nh2hs
      @Mark-nh2hs Год назад +1

      I was the same lol. Then I saw how good colourization can be and often wondered what the classic 60s would be like in colour. Would be strange to watch as used to see it in b&w

  • @arrjay2410
    @arrjay2410 Год назад +6

    I've been a Dr. Who fan for over 50 years. In Canada it first cam on on the public television stations like TV Ontario. That said, I see nothing wrong with colourizing the early Dr. Who episodes. There was nothing 'high art' about these being in B&W.
    The only reason they were in B&W on the first place was for factors of cost and technology. Reissuing them in colour would make them more viewable and, I think, it would make them more interesting to future generations of viewers.

  • @cybernator5000
    @cybernator5000 Год назад +7

    The only problem I have is that I would ideally rather have all funding for classic who stuff to go to animating missing episodes, otherwise whatever

  • @BobbyDazzler440
    @BobbyDazzler440 Год назад +9

    As long as they remain an option and not the default, go for it! This would actively bring Hartnell and Troughton into the lives of those who (for whatever reason) cannot countenance watching B&W. They're in for a treat!

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 Год назад +1

      The people who 'cannot countenance watching B&W' would simply take a little longer to realise that they were watching something 'old', and switching off.

    • @BobbyDazzler440
      @BobbyDazzler440 Год назад

      @@tooleyheadbang4239 You're probably right!

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 Год назад +1

      @@BobbyDazzler440 Such is the history of narrow-mindedness.

  • @macra_
    @macra_ Год назад +23

    I personally think it's a really good Idea! I know some people aren't a fan of the black and white and find it a little boring and this may make it more accessible to those people. If people don't like it then they don't have to watch it, it's not like they're replacing any DVDs or streaming services and forcing people to watch it!! There's literally no negatives in my eyes!

    • @sheridan5175
      @sheridan5175 Год назад +1

      In the long term, you don't want the original versions being erased

    • @rammy3879
      @rammy3879 Год назад

      @Sheridan How are they gonna be erased if they been avaliable on VHS, DVD and Digital for years??

    • @sheridan5175
      @sheridan5175 Год назад

      @@rammy3879 idk it might happen
      Not immediately, but over time

    • @sheridan5175
      @sheridan5175 Год назад

      @404 TV why?

    • @vordman
      @vordman Год назад

      Huge fan of these colourisations. Tbh, I find the 1st Doctor to be a bit dull, but colour just makes his stories more watchable.

  • @tortysoft
    @tortysoft Год назад +4

    I have a very long history with The Dr. My father worked on the original show and so, somewhat later did I. In 1985ish I did some of the first recolourisations of the Pertwee era. I do keep going on about it because at the time I was very solidly rebuffed by the Dr Who BBC office who said there was no market for the show. This was when there were only a few TV stations in the UK, no cable, no satellite, no internet - but all of that was known about and on the way. I was deeply depressed by the reaction from the Beeb - not long later I left Aunty and moved North.
    I mention this to underline the incredible change in support for everything Who that has risen from the grave from which I feared it could never stir. It's great to be wrong sometimes !
    I'm really looking forward to AI recreations of any TV programme - in any and every format. We can almost do this already. Incredible times.

  • @BrianSmith-lj6ug
    @BrianSmith-lj6ug Год назад +1

    It would be interesting to see the fourth episode of Celestial Toymaker coloured one day.

  • @frankshailes3205
    @frankshailes3205 Год назад +1

    Judging from the set photos, The War Games had some amazing colours, especially in the Aliens' Op Art headquarters.

  • @jonathonshanecrawford1840
    @jonathonshanecrawford1840 Год назад +3

    Having the original Doctor Who (B/W) and the colourised both on DVD, would be great, and the missing segments some how restore (not cartoonised) would be great also!

  • @overtheoverseer
    @overtheoverseer Год назад +6

    I really enjoyed this video. Thanks Adam.

  • @garybryant5946
    @garybryant5946 Год назад +1

    Doctor Who was in black and white for a lot of viewers well into Tom Baker colour TV licences didn't surpass B+W until 1978 so it probably doesn't matter to most people

  • @zacbob1149
    @zacbob1149 Год назад +2

    I think the thing that made Doctor who’s Great atmosphere is because the first part of the show is in black and white…. Maybe

  • @darkstardavros
    @darkstardavros Год назад +1

    I think that the colourisation of the black and white Dr Who episodes would be a great idea. We would then be able to see them as they would have been intended if colour had been available at the time of recording. We already have the black and white versions. So people are still able to watch that version if they wish too.

  • @chrisholt5964
    @chrisholt5964 Год назад +1

    Totally agree about the box sets having both versions! Let's keep everyone happy. I am looking forward to watching WH episodes and intend to do so in colour.

  • @gregsmith7949
    @gregsmith7949 Год назад +3

    I think the colorized versions look great. I always wished The War Games was colorized just for the sets. Just re release them in both B&W and color therefore you have a choice.

  • @JoPlaysSims
    @JoPlaysSims Год назад +1

    I love when they colourize. It brings it to life

  • @timothyweers8054
    @timothyweers8054 Год назад +2

    I think that special stories can do well as being colorized, especially those episodes where they used specific items or characters that show up better in color. My episodes to be made in an optional color are:
    An Unearthly Child
    The Daleks
    The Chase
    The Mind Robber
    Seeds Of Death
    The War Games
    Any other episodes would be a bonus.

    • @The_Blue_Otaku
      @The_Blue_Otaku Год назад +3

      Not gonna lie Tomb of the Cybermen would look good in color

    • @vordman
      @vordman Год назад

      @@The_Blue_Otaku Definitely, and a colour Seeds Of Death would be magnificent too.

  • @martinmixedmedia2899
    @martinmixedmedia2899 Год назад +1

    I'm happy to see colourized episodes. If they could have made them in colour in the 60s they would have done. I spent my entire childhood wishing I could see them in colour.

  • @oisinjadran
    @oisinjadran Год назад

    Another thing to remember is that in the flashback sequence in The Timeless Children, the shots of the 1st and 2nd Doctor are colourised

  • @darrenwilliams5615
    @darrenwilliams5615 Год назад +1

    I understand that it takes a lot of resources,time and money to do these but I would love for them to start releasing them in colour.

  • @jefferyhodges8835
    @jefferyhodges8835 Год назад +1

    I've seen random Doctor Who episodes throughout the years not very many but they're interesting so I just started watching from 1963 last year I'm all caught up I was hooked on the 3rd episode as I started watching I was like I can't believe that this is so good it's black-and-white and I'm watching it honestly I can't believe how much work they put into making each episode that's when I came to realize then I started cherishing each episode started treating them like movies so I would definitely love to see the missing episodes animated and I would totally watch colored episodes

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs Год назад +1

    It would be interesting to see the classics in colour. Seeing the animated missing stories had both options.

  • @MrWesleychuck
    @MrWesleychuck Год назад +5

    having more options is always great as long as you can still watch black and white , but this could be a good thing for new people getting into classic who , myself I love 60's big fan of a lot of the stories but in color ? I think I would love it all over again in a different way, so I find it cool personally it shouldn't really upset people as long as you have both options available , same I think when they done the animations some people don't like them but we have recons as well available , more options is great to reach out to more people

    • @kevin10001
      @kevin10001 Год назад

      That’s the question cause for streaming they could take away the original version in black and white like happened with the show bewitched so I can’t stream the original version of the episode love is blind thst my favorite actor Adam west guest stared in I want the black and white versions to be streamable if they actually do this to them

  • @RebeccaPhythian
    @RebeccaPhythian Год назад +1

    Great video! It would be exciting to see it in colour 😍😍

  • @AlchemistOfNirnroot
    @AlchemistOfNirnroot Год назад +2

    I just hope that if the episodes that survived are in black and white then so should the animations. If you can do it completely then go ahead and colourise it. Would be interesting to see.

  • @markbale5002
    @markbale5002 Год назад +1

    this colorisation looks very good indeed. Another site has all the existing 60s episodes colorised by very bad software, plus they are edited/cut.

  • @TheUluxian
    @TheUluxian Год назад +1

    I remember the huge backlash in the 80's when Ted Turner began colorizing classic B & W movies, in part because the process that was used just looked awful and unnatural. But with todays technology, I think the old episodes look pretty good in color now.

  • @madmanmark8387
    @madmanmark8387 Год назад +2

    Let me take you back to the days of when Thanksgiving in the 1970's when here in the USA in New York city WOR TV channel 9 would show the 1933 King Kong. Many years later it was colorized. It blew me away and that was the first time I saw a black and white transfer to color. As for Doctor Who being colorized I don't have a problem with that. I mean bands remaster the original album and you can hear the difference from the original recording. For example the song Dogs on the record Animals by Pink Floyd has a section on the album and I still have the vinyl is not easy to hear until the remastered version. So as long as the option to see the original black and white and also see the color and compare is up for opinion. It's also when they remastered the original Star Trek and you see how beautiful it looks I think if Gene Roddenberry was alive to see it he would be impressed.

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 Год назад

      I've never seen a decent colour version of King Kong.
      Mind you, it is so good that it doesn't need it.

  • @garyturner5739
    @garyturner5739 Год назад

    I've seen some colorized 60s black and white episodes of Death Do Us Part episodes on You Tube, and they looked very good. They were the first episode ever Arguments, Arguments and the Anniversary that have been colorized.

  • @dangerouslytalented
    @dangerouslytalented Год назад +1

    Many of the black and white episodes have a better feel in black and white. They were directed for black and white, and some may feel wrong.
    Possibly.
    Of course, all the props, sets and costumes were designed to look good in black and white. If it was originally shot in colour, they would likely have painted them a bit different. Colourising properly could possibly require using the "wrong" colours (colours that didn't exist on-set) to do it justice.

  • @jameshilton7894
    @jameshilton7894 Год назад +1

    Short answer, in my opinion. Maybe. As long as we have the black and white versions available. Honestly, I prefer the black and white versions, but it would be nice to have the option to go color. Just to see what it’d look like.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 Год назад +1

    I love the subtlety of black and white.

    • @mjanovec
      @mjanovec Год назад

      There is a real artistry required to shoot good black and white, using light and shadow to set the mood.

  • @davidreece6193
    @davidreece6193 Год назад

    There is a partially colourised version of the first Dr Who first episode on RUclips. But in colour is probably what main audience now would prefer. The colour version of the animations looks good from here. There were some episodes that were in black and white I think the Genesis of the Daleks had a black and white episode that they recoloured for the DVD release.

  • @activatehalo7763
    @activatehalo7763 Год назад +2

    Great video, very knowledgeable.

  • @alexispolenne1680
    @alexispolenne1680 Год назад

    That's honestly a good question.
    While the sets ans props were in colours, those colours were thought and used because the productions knew it would be in B&W on telly. Therefore would colourizing those episode actually "betray" their initial artitistic intentions, or au contraire, allow them to be even more alive?
    I suppose one could also wonder what sort of colours ought to be used then too. If we colourize these stories with colours thought for B&W, then the result might be different than if the stories were colourized with a more... modern approach. Surely knowing the story would be filmed and broadcasted in colours meant some could be actually used while filming, giving them symbolic purposes.
    I guess the best way to do it would stil be to use original colours if possible, or colours that would have been used in B&W filming then. Colours do add flavour to those stories imo, makes them more "lively", but I think it'd be best to keep said colours as close as possible to what would have been actually used at the time of a B&W set/recording.

  • @thelukeofficial9626
    @thelukeofficial9626 Год назад +1

    I hope they give you the opportunity to have all the black and white episodes in colour

  • @stevecallum7933
    @stevecallum7933 Год назад +1

    I like the idea of the colourization

  • @thecoolmanstation2.046
    @thecoolmanstation2.046 Год назад

    That would be really cool to in color to be honest in fact they should also make the 70s-80s one widescreen

  • @tomharwill
    @tomharwill Год назад +1

    I’m all for it as long as all options are available to watch, it’s the same Star Wars as long as you can watch the original and special edition then you can chose.

  • @Wolf359inc
    @Wolf359inc Год назад +1

    Of course they should be colourised. But retain the black and white, as well.😊

  • @stephencoppins9467
    @stephencoppins9467 Год назад

    As long as a release with the original black& white version as well as a colourised version (as well as a special edition version, with updated special effects or added scenes, for those who like that sort of thing) is an option, then I’m ok with that. Like you said, if the colourised or special edition versions, become the default, that’s where I would draw the line.
    Mind you, I’m from Australia, so it looks like we’re not getting DVD or blu-ray releases any more (let alone free-to-air access through the ABC), so who knows what will happen in the future? I dare dare say it will be more of a commercial/economic based decision.

  • @BFDT-4
    @BFDT-4 Год назад

    Yes, colourise. Keep the B/W masters, and let's enjoy the expert colourisation efforts!

  • @williamclarke5658
    @williamclarke5658 Год назад

    To have a colour version as an alternative to any original B&W story would be s stroke of genious. It would also most likely bring in a lot of revenue for the BBC. It makes perfect sense in that respect and attract new fans!
    The first two Hartnell stories, "An Unearthly Child" & "The Daleks" are an absolute must-have if this is ever comes to pass. These were the screenings that really made Doctor Who a cult TV phenomenon.
    After that, I'd be up for absolutely anything at all. No doubt about it. Bring it on!

  • @lookandlearn3899
    @lookandlearn3899 Год назад +1

    Lets do it ! I watched it from the first episode ( I am an old fan) and I cannot see the problem ...If youre offended by colour you can simply choose to watch it in black and white

  • @james68908
    @james68908 Год назад

    i think it's a good idea as it would attract a new generation of fans to the 60s, if done well like with the recent "presented in supercolorisation" blu ray from network and the two hancock episodes as long as the original B/W is still around. as for the first official colourisations, they started in 2005 when babelcolour colourised a surviving clip from part 1 of the dalek’s masterplan for the genesis of the daleks dvd, then years later in 2013, a couple of clips from the aztecs were colourised for a scene in "the name of the doctor" and years later, a few "blink and you'll miss it" colourised clips were seen in "the timeless children". there was also a fully fan made colourised version of part 2 of the daleks masterplan made from 2014 to 2020 by the drhuecolour team, and it looks really amazing. Edit: kaleidoscope have shown colourised clips from 60s who, mostly the smugglers, at the recent missing believed wiped event at the BFI. Major edit: the daleks is now getting a 75 minute colourised edit!

  • @outsideinside9990
    @outsideinside9990 Год назад +1

    congrats on 1000 subs, you deserve it man

    • @AMTVWHO
      @AMTVWHO  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much!

  • @MultiShriek
    @MultiShriek Год назад +1

    I had no idea the animations were colourised.

    • @jerobriggs6861
      @jerobriggs6861 Год назад +1

      The only animation that was colourised was Power of the Daleks as they originally animated that one in black and white. The others were animated in colour, but for their DVD and blu-ray releases, they also offered a black and white version which was just the colour animation with a black and white filter.

  • @leandabee
    @leandabee Год назад +1

    I wouldn't mind that at all, how interesting 😊

  • @roxyknight4909
    @roxyknight4909 Год назад

    Upscaling and colourization for 60's who would be awesome !! ... they should of had that on Blu-ray collections .... would of made them must haves !!

  • @rogerking7258
    @rogerking7258 Год назад +3

    The point about photography and film is that they are infinitely reproducible, so nothing is destroyed by colourisation. It would be a little different if I were to visit The Louvre and draw a moustache and glasses on the Mona Lisa.

    • @madmanmark8387
      @madmanmark8387 Год назад

      City of death,without knowing you alluded to the Mona Lisa. One of my favorite stories of the second Romana of Doctor Who.

  • @EricBrunoBorgman
    @EricBrunoBorgman Год назад

    As long as the original black and white episodes are still available, I am all for colorizing earlier shows. Some of the work I've seen here in this video alone is awesome! In fact, when the prehistoric era of colorizing movies on tape was going on and people like Jimmy Stewart spoke out against it saying things like, "the movie wasn't meant to be seen in color," I was thinking, "it wasn't meant to be seen on a TV set either!" So, in regards to Doctor Who, if they were able to film the show in color when they first aired I think they would have and the colorizing only enhancing the often bad picture quality that some of these early episodes survive in. I wish they would re-color some of those Jon Pertwee episodes that looks so bad still.

  • @hestheMaster
    @hestheMaster Год назад

    Vivid History on YT has made some remarkable computer enhanced 4K colorizations of very old films and no doubt someone at BBC television will eventually do colorization for many favorite old shows.

  • @joshuawhite7907
    @joshuawhite7907 9 месяцев назад

    Having the animations in colour is a nice option. For me, it depends on how much of the original story still exists; e.g. for "Galaxy Four" and "The Faceless Ones", I definitely prefer the B&W over the colour - I can watch the surviving episode(s) with the B&W animation (and personally I'm not a fan of the garish colour choices for the inside of the Rill ship in the "Galaxy Four" animation). On the other hand, stories that are completely missing (like "The Macra Terror") or almost completely missing (e.g. "The Evil of the Daleks") I am happy watching the colour version.
    I'm somewhat divided over the colourisation of surviving stories. If they try to keep it true to the intent (e.g. based on colour photos of the original costumes and sets, allowing for the fact that some colour choices were made simply due to how they would look in B&W) then I'm open to it. What I'm not open to is the degree of editing that happened with "The Daleks" - cutting it down from ~175 minutes to ~75 minutes just loses too much of the story. Even the 90-minute omnibus versions produces in the 70s (e.g. "The Sea Devils" or "The Green Death") lost too much (although I think a 2-hour omnibus edit for these would be plausible without wrecking the flow of the story). I would absolutely hate to see the B&W 4-parters cut down to 45 to 60 minute versions just to make them cheaper to colourise.

  • @adrianschannel5643
    @adrianschannel5643 Год назад

    I think the first thing to add is the addition of colour will bring these episodes to a new audience.Many of the younger generation will not watch these episodes simply because they are black and white. TV was black and white back then, but had we got a colour service they would have been made in colour. We have the technology to actually improve on the original low quality original. AI technology exists to actually add detail that never existed - to sharpen up the image and improve quality. The same AI can colour the picture. New images can be added to the left and right of frame to make the image widescreen. The audio can be enhanced taken from mono to stereo and surround sound. The early episodes were often underscored so a new musical score can be added. Special effects in many early episodes have already been reworked, but hundreds of minor flaws can be reworked.

  • @Stephen-Fox
    @Stephen-Fox Год назад +1

    No.
    I mean, as an alternative version available on physical releases as a bonus feature, like the updated special effects in Survival, _maybe_, but making that the default form they're available in feels a bit... Star Wars Special Edition style media revisionism to me? They were filmed in black and white - while this was probably a technical choice rather than an artistic one, changing that feels... Off... To me.
    If the media's lost, then remaking them in some form or other is a fantastic idea - Animations or stuff like the Dalek Masterplan remake... But... I'm fundamentally uncomfortable with the idea that we should be deliberately changing old media. And for colourizing media you've got the additional weirdness that, well, the colour something's intended to read as in black and white aren't always the same as the colour the thing was - The TARDIS set is a great example - it was intended to read as white, but it was actually a light green because on the cameras they were using that read as white without causing overexposure issues.
    Colourizing as a restoration process of media that was originally in colour but now the only surviving copies are black and white is one thing, colourizing things that were originally black and white doesn't strike me as a good thing, from a media preservation point of view. And that line from those reviews you paraphrased "Really makes you think it had been originally made in colour" is why - That's not a good thing. That's exactly what I mean by Star Wars Special Edition style media revisionism.

  • @MartinFarrell1972
    @MartinFarrell1972 Год назад

    I bought galaxy 4 and power of the daleks animated episodes on DVD recently. Galaxy 4 had colour animation and B&W animation. I prefered the colour version. Power of the daleks was B&W only. I didn't know there was a colour version existing. I would support colourisation. I did get criticism from friends for watching the colour version of It's a wonderful life. Early colourisation was bad but look at what they can achieve now. Classic film Metropolis has had fans colourise clips.

  • @bryden72
    @bryden72 Год назад +1

    I'd love this personally and any fans rather stick to the black and white original it's still there for them to enjoy.

  • @marquonuk
    @marquonuk Год назад

    Yes, eventually. It will bring the stories to a new audience who at the very least expect what they're watching to be in colour and not B/W. Priority, though, must be to make visual versions of all the missing episodes available via animation, so that all the stories can be broadcast again and released on DVD/BluRay/download. :-)

  • @blastfromthepast8344
    @blastfromthepast8344 Год назад

    I suspect we will see newly colourised versions of all Jon Pertwee's first season stories, which all desperately need upgrading (apart from, maybe, Spearhead from Space). A season 7 blu-ray box set must be on the cards for 2023, surely?

  • @charlesc920
    @charlesc920 Год назад

    Colourized series have been released before for American shows like I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched, because later seasons were colour. They were also released in the original B&W so no one cried blasphemy for those shows. Doctor Who has already been released in B&W on DVD so it would be great to have something worth buying again instead of the same thing we have already.

  • @elijahthekid_
    @elijahthekid_ Год назад

    I would love to see recolours of the original serials

  • @Gothic55
    @Gothic55 Год назад +1

    Colourisation is totally acceptable as long as black and white version is also available. I watched the two Hancock episodes which were impressive and really added to enjoyment. I think that fans cannot be too overly precious about classic who and as long as colourisation is done well - well bring it on. For new generation of fans having black and white footage can be an obstacle. In the same way I have no problem in m proving some of historically dodgy Dr Who special effects - as long as we get option of seeing original effects as well. It might sound a bit heretical but some animations have improved watching experience through use of colour option but also animation allows viewer to see stories with improved visual pallets. Galaxy 4 was a slightly weaker story 20th poor sets - animated ver#ion brought a more cinematic experience. Bring it all on.

  • @shanenspitaler5790
    @shanenspitaler5790 Год назад +4

    The originals will always be there and this just gives people another option for viewing this is only a positive.

    • @vordman
      @vordman Год назад

      Sure, the originals will always be there to watch but if there are colour versions why would you?

    • @shanenspitaler5790
      @shanenspitaler5790 Год назад

      @@vordman I'd choose the coloured but others might prefer the original infact I know someone who would prefer the original black and white.
      There are alot of people out there who love original media.

  • @TrevorWillis-i4b
    @TrevorWillis-i4b Год назад

    I like the colourisation. watch all the aminated DVD in colour. Even on web of fear, where I have to eject this disc just to watch the coloured episode and eject it again to go back to the black and white episodes.

  • @Thunderwing88
    @Thunderwing88 Год назад

    I’m in complete agreement, as long it’s an option.

  • @owenwildish331
    @owenwildish331 Год назад +1

    I don't mind the idea of colourization of 1960s Doctor Who so long as the original is preserved. It'll certainly breathe new life into 1960s Doctor Who and perhaps be less off-putting to newer fans. 1960s Doctor Who and particularly the 1st Doctor are surprisingly quite popular with younger fans when they do manage to get into watching those classic episodes and are often quite open-minded to it. Though for the first episode of "An Unearthly Child", I suggest they could perhaps keep most of the first episode in black & white up to when Barbara steps into the Tardis, and it then switches to colour when we see inside the Tardis... giving this a black & white too colour (1939) "Wizard of Oz" kind of effect, like in that film, if you know what I mean.

    • @madmanmark8387
      @madmanmark8387 Год назад +1

      I said the complete opposite on some other person doing a video of the color by doing the first episode in color up until the TARDIS lands and it transitions to black and white with the shadow of this mysterious figure.

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 Год назад +1

      I'm impressed with this idea; the Wizard of Oz one, I mean.
      I had an idea, years ago, of a crime drama series set in the present day, but with the police in the 1950s.
      Nobody was interested.

  • @mancula
    @mancula Год назад

    Yes. Because the episodes were recorded in colour, but played back in black and white. It was discovered it was possible to bring back colour owing to the colour codex was mixed in with the black and white. Hence returning the episodes in the way they were originally recorded. If the episodes were in black and white, then little could be done. So as far as I know these episodes are not being coloured in, buy bringing back the episodes original intention.

  • @pootle5096
    @pootle5096 Год назад

    Yes. Get it coloured properly.
    Frankly I'm surprised those fans who have coloured clips of episodes for the last decade haven't got together and done a full episode.
    After all - that's what happened with the telesnap reconstructions in the early days - fans got together and "Joint venture" telesnaps were created!
    Yes. I'm THAT old!

  • @jlewis2890
    @jlewis2890 Год назад

    When I watch the animated reconstruction I choose to watch them in black and white because I like to view them as close to how they would have originally been viewed and there not meant to be colour

  • @enigmagenesis7341
    @enigmagenesis7341 Год назад +1

    "But you can't rewrite history! Not one line!"😁

  • @chromosomeboo
    @chromosomeboo Год назад

    I think it s a splendid idea.
    If they approach it like Star Trek remastered that would be cool. If they decided to redo the fx, it would need to be minor things to hide certain wonky elements like making the monsters blink, fixing gaffes or making the worlds look livelier. But I wouldn't mind if it was just a clean job and colourization. And like the Star Trek remaster from a few years ago, they really should have a colourisation option along with the original presentation on the discs.
    What they need to do is bring back each Doctor's original logo on the discs and boxsets, I won't buy anything with the Chibnall era logo.
    Cheers! 😎👍

    • @madmanmark8387
      @madmanmark8387 Год назад +1

      Great minds think alike. I also mentioned Star Trek in my post.

  • @Timelord007
    @Timelord007 Год назад

    I'd love to see them in colour.

  • @masterversal-toyhunter
    @masterversal-toyhunter Год назад

    But also back then they were limited by the technology and what ever els at the time - if they had Color filming or access to doing so back then - well then the shows would have been filmed so as such, so i feel people colorizing the Black and White filmed episodes is completely fine indeed ☺ and its not as if the trillions of copies of the Black and stories on DVD are going anywere.

  • @geoffroberts1126
    @geoffroberts1126 Год назад

    Don't see why not. It doesn't detract from the original, colour only brings it to life a little more. I've seen colourised versions of several so called 'classic' b&w movies. Only one it didn't work with and that was only because it was early in the era when the technology became available and it simply wasn't a very good colourisation. Seen some recent ones that are pretty much flawless.

  • @garyturner5739
    @garyturner5739 Год назад

    Couldn 't they do animation of the Marco Polo story from Hartnel era? The entire episodes were wipped at the time by the bbc. There's only now the script and photo stills from the story. That would be good to see for sixth anniversary later this year if that was shown.

  • @blastfromthepast8344
    @blastfromthepast8344 Год назад

    Yes. If done well, it would probably bring a new audience to the old B&W shows.

  • @vbrindle
    @vbrindle Год назад

    I would have to watch them all again 😂. I would definitely watch colour versions.

  • @davids8449
    @davids8449 Год назад

    All depends How it is done.....is it painstaking research to find out the original colour of outfit that are worn. Or do they say Jamie's kilt must have been pink

  • @dakrontu
    @dakrontu Год назад

    By taking into account successive frames using AI technology it should be possible not only to add colour but also to improve spatial resolution. Colourisation is not the end of the road for AI, it is the beginning. We have a lot to look forward to. And not just with Doctor Who. The same can be done with revered early 20th century movies.

  • @TheSamtheman081
    @TheSamtheman081 Год назад

    I would much prefer to see the old black and white episodes in colour. So bring it on if the colourise more episodes.

  • @mrtracywilliamson3809
    @mrtracywilliamson3809 Год назад

    black and white is CLASSIC n COOL color OKAY but still LIKE black n white

  • @jerobriggs6861
    @jerobriggs6861 Год назад

    I'm not against colourisations as long as they keep the black and white versions available. Much like adding new special effects to the episodes. However, I am wondering if it'll be profitable enough to bother with colourisatons. Colourising stuff ain't cheap. Especially if it's more than 4 or 5 episodes. I do think they should keep doing the animations though as I think there's enough interest in the fandom for those. I would like to see 60s Who in colour though as long as it's not replacing the original. Some of the fan colourising I've seen on youtube as been great. Like to see a full story colourised.

  • @neonwind
    @neonwind 6 месяцев назад

    We can have both, why not, Dr Who, even the B&W seem in colour to me, but I'm old and remember the 2nd Dr Who.

  • @obiwankenobi687
    @obiwankenobi687 Год назад

    I think the news site that ran this just never knew about the animations and got the complete end of the stick, just seeing it as new Doctor who news so it’s in people’s interest to report it now it’s back in the mainstream. I don’t think any episodes are getting colorized, it’s literally just a new animated story

  • @samrickard1529
    @samrickard1529 Год назад

    The way I see it is, the original episodes are not going anywhere but they were designed to be shown on small black and white TVs with middling reception. It would be nice to have a cut of these episodes that would be more at home on a modern High-Def television.

  • @MissDatherinePierce
    @MissDatherinePierce Год назад

    I am for colorisation. It wasn't a creative choice to shoot in black and white but an economic one. I would honestly be much more inclined to try my hand at the old episodes if I could watch them in color.