I was taught Wing Chun together with hand/limb hardening and this shocking energy concept by the late Mfundishi Fulani Asaheed Great Grandmaster Dr. Henry James Cook Jr. 🙇🏽♂️ Training continuously since '96, forever grateful. Great video and hypothesis, imho also very likely.
Wing, Chun also has a lot of similarities to Fujian martial arts which have a lot of the traits you mentioned are in hakka arts They also have the float sink swallow and spit ideas that are in Fujian martial arts, and wing Chun in Mandarin is yong chun which is the name of the town that fujian white crane comes from
Thanks for the insights, the history of wing chun is very fascinating but not well recorded. As another commenter said, it has a similarity to Fujian crane as well, and older forms of Yong Chun look like a halfway point between Fijian white crane and wing chun. I hadn't considered a Hakka connection before, but it makes a lot of sense too.
I really liked the historical overview at the start of the video about cantonese and hakkanese arts. Would love to see a video about the primary characteristics of the various regional arts of china. At minimum I would think canton, hakka, fujian, northern and western/muslim.
I love your videos. I live in Guangzhou and have studied Wing Chun here, Mai Gei Wong under Sifu Wong Nim Yi. You would get on with him really well. Might well be worth an online interview, or even a visit.
Very interesting. I do Yuen Kay San wing chun in America and have come across Mai Gei Wong under your Sifu. It looks like it's closely related to Yuen Kay San Wing Chun.
@@0352usmc1 And that is very interesting too.I would never have thought about him being so widely known. Europe, yes, as he has schools there. I shall look up Yuen Kay San right now. Cheers!
Topic of cross pollination interesting and appreciate the video. Another aspect of this is also the reality that to develop a Red Boat fighting style that will work in close quarters of boats dealing with pirates will demand smaller, tighter movements and not big movements of other Cantonese styles--just not enough room. That might have been the biggest factor.
Good afternoon from Spain. I think this is a very interesting video, no doubt. I have a question for you: Since you say that “Hakka kuen” came from the north… do you think that before reaching the south it could have had contact with xingyiquan? Un saludo 🫡
So many Keyboard Want to be Warriors Watch UFC events and think they can do the same Techniques. Yet they never get up and train. I was 14 when i started training in the Arts, and even then in the dark ages, people would come to me and ask, "what style is the Best?" I always told them the Style that you stick with and train in. As for MMA , those fighters are dedicated to a strict lifestyle, and diet. People watch a few UFC events and think it is the best, yet will never get to a gym to train. My old man was G.G. Boxer, and a street fighter before he took up boxing, and he was taller than me. So i train in Boxing, then went into Aikido, Muay Thai, Kali, Wing Chun, and Finally Kuntao Silat. I love the Silat training, anyway the point is, i don't know everything about M.A., I just Know what works for me. I still Train in my 50's everyday, and yes conditioning is very important. I enjoy your videos very much, because i still love Wing Chun, thank you.
There is a lot of depth to every movement. Thats the beauty. Everything doesn’t need to be shrunk down. Many of the big swings are definitely because of the grappling. The Hakka Arts have more “Takedowns” than “Throws.” As opposed to like Lama Pai or White Crane, which influence HG / CLF. Mainland Wing Chun, and the more senior players like Yuen Kay San, Leung Jan (Gu Lao), Chan Wah Shun lineages all have a slightly bigger and more open frame than Ip Man, particularly in the 12 San Sik sets. Including more stance work as well. Also we have the same variance in Hakka. Bak Mei is a mix of frames. Hong Kong Southern Mantis is bigger frame and stance than what we have in the US from Lam Sang lineage, or in some of the UK lineages. It’s more balanced between big and small. Which is very important. Training Big frame is also better for your health and longevity, keeping your full range of motion into old age. Small frame is better for application - with the exception of the grappling techniques. Shuai Jiao uses the bigger sweeping movements to eliminate the necessity of using strength. Your whole body becomes your lever and catapult. I like to say that we’re all on a spectrum of expressing the Yin and Yang of Southern Gungfu.
Wing Chun narrow stances from Shaolin short strike, taught from a one armed nun to Ng Mui, snake energetics from Emei She Er Zhuang , only few white crane and snake techniques?
Would you be willing to make a video on the dummy regarding if you have created any of your own personal sets or things you just like practicing other than just another version of Yip Man's form
Shifu please give your insights on Shaolin qi xing quan and chang hu xinyi men quan. These both have philosophical and tactical similarities as well as the lineage.
I think other than the finger strike, any other technique like leopard fist, phoneix eyes etc can take pretty much just as much impact as a bare fist even unconditioned. I think gloves and hand wraps gives people the impression that fist is that much better.
Interesting video.. the hakka arts use rise, sink, Swollow and Spit Ip Man Wing Chun does not...But I hear that Pin San Wing Chun does..I just think it got lost or not taught to certain people..
Great observation. Three things I learned is the historical context (if you don't know spend a few hours on this TOTALLY changes your perspective) 1. The Taiphong rebellion 2. The boxer rebellion 3. The communist takeover. We have nothing to compare in the west. In the Taiphong 40 million combatants died, not counting non combatants. The Kung Fu we have is from the survivors. This is important when you look at all the matrix stuff in the Chinese movies, sure it's exaggerated, but when you look at modern Parkour you can see where it is coming from. These guys were actually, literally, in an apocalypse. They did not train "self defense" they trained search and destroy along with the "ninja" stuff. The history isn't pretty and we aren't taught it because they know we won't understand it in context. While there were secret teachings, I think a large component of that was to keep the identity of the high level initiates who were going "behind enemy lines" secret. Probably IP Man's best students are the unknowns on the police force who were capturing "terrorists" for interrogation.
@@James-g3w7w I know the culture revolution had a big impact on traditional martial arts and many master being killed or jailed for their martial arts.. Hopfully after all that it can survive and grow back to its glory days..
Also, our ancestors had stronger hands and fingers from grafting/manual labour so they could attack with them. Today people have desk jobs so their fingers are not strong enough to strike with
Old Hung Kuen had more short hand techniques compared to Wong Fei Hung's Hung Kuen. Wong Fei Hung absorbed Hup Gar and made the techniques longer. A lot of the old Hung Kuen and Wing Chun short hand techniques are descended from the Fujian styles.
The shocking movement looks ever so slightly bigger than the classic winng chun movement that might be why. The shocking movement might also significantly less effective if the opponent is wearing srmour and or has high pain tolerance but the classic wing chun movement should be a le to effect the opponents structure more easily and a little faster regardless of the type of opponent
So weird, I learned leung ting wt, but we pak sau and gan sau the way u described the hakkanese style...mayhap cuz of my teacher dabbling in other martial arts prior to our wt years? We never did pak sau starting from a bridged punch, we would step in and pak first
What does northern, like inner Mongolia for example, eastern like Shanghai, and western, like Xinjiang, martial look like compared to Hong Kong styles?
I would suggest that the fukienese arts would be worth a look, as they form the root of a number of the hakkanese styles I.e. Sam chien/cheng/jin, etc. Also, hung and CLF have absorbed the long arm movements from Fut/Happy Gar,. Older versions of Hong and the other 5 families Ng Gar, may not be as 'large frame'..
To understand the difference between WC and traditional Hakka styles in terms of impact energy, it is necessary to understand the principles of the WC system. What makes WC efficient is precisely its principles. Hakka styles have a high chance of failing when it comes to impact. WC, on the other hand, does not, because it is based on principles of simplicity for greater efficiency: economy of movements, simultaneous attack and defense, vertical punch, forward energy, centered elbow, center line, defense angles, defense quadrant (theory of portals), etc. Due to its principles, WC is much more efficient, practical and easy to apply than traditional Hakka styles. And these are universal principles, and can be used in any martial art. But WC does have efficient shock energy in his interceptions. A well-applied Tan Sao, for example, can hurt the opponent's arm. But why do I have to use such strong energy if I can use defensive angles to maximize my strikes and make my defense softer? I see it as more efficient and economical. As Bruce Lee himself said: defenses don't need to be strong, just enough to avoid the attack. Avoiding is as efficient as defending.
I was taught Wing Chun together with hand/limb hardening and this shocking energy concept by the late Mfundishi Fulani Asaheed Great Grandmaster Dr. Henry James Cook Jr. 🙇🏽♂️ Training continuously since '96, forever grateful. Great video and hypothesis, imho also very likely.
Wing, Chun also has a lot of similarities to Fujian martial arts which have a lot of the traits you mentioned are in hakka arts They also have the float sink swallow and spit ideas that are in Fujian martial arts, and wing Chun in Mandarin is yong chun which is the name of the town that fujian white crane comes from
yep. i was hoping he would include this too.
Thanks for the insights, the history of wing chun is very fascinating but not well recorded. As another commenter said, it has a similarity to Fujian crane as well, and older forms of Yong Chun look like a halfway point between Fijian white crane and wing chun. I hadn't considered a Hakka connection before, but it makes a lot of sense too.
I really liked the historical overview at the start of the video about cantonese and hakkanese arts. Would love to see a video about the primary characteristics of the various regional arts of china. At minimum I would think canton, hakka, fujian, northern and western/muslim.
I thank you Chan Shifu -- every insert of yours i watch makes me learn so much about how little i know. It's so amazing to be in awe
Excellent informative class, Sifu Chan. Thank you.
I love your videos. I live in Guangzhou and have studied Wing Chun here, Mai Gei Wong under Sifu Wong Nim Yi. You would get on with him really well. Might well be worth an online interview, or even a visit.
Very interesting. I do Yuen Kay San wing chun in America and have come across Mai Gei Wong under your Sifu. It looks like it's closely related to Yuen Kay San Wing Chun.
@@0352usmc1 And that is very interesting too.I would never have thought about him being so widely known. Europe, yes, as he has schools there. I shall look up Yuen Kay San right now. Cheers!
lol your assistant is a good sport
Thank you for the history lesson sifu.
Topic of cross pollination interesting and appreciate the video. Another aspect of this is also the reality that to develop a Red Boat fighting style that will work in close quarters of boats dealing with pirates will demand smaller, tighter movements and not big movements of other Cantonese styles--just not enough room. That might have been the biggest factor.
Great history and insights. Thanks!
Adam you explained that so well!!! Always professional 💯💯💯🤙
Very interesting. Wing Chun looks very close quarter fighting than the open arm Cantonese style.
Good afternoon from Spain.
I think this is a very interesting video, no doubt.
I have a question for you:
Since you say that “Hakka kuen” came from the north… do you think that before reaching the south it could have had contact with xingyiquan?
Un saludo 🫡
So many Keyboard Want to be Warriors Watch UFC events and think they can do the same Techniques. Yet they never get up and train. I was 14 when i started training in the Arts, and even then in the dark ages, people would come to me and ask, "what style is the Best?" I always told them the Style that you stick with and train in. As for MMA , those fighters are dedicated to a strict lifestyle, and diet. People watch a few UFC events and think it is the best, yet will never get to a gym to train. My old man was G.G. Boxer, and a street fighter before he took up boxing, and he was taller than me. So i train in Boxing, then went into Aikido, Muay Thai, Kali, Wing Chun, and Finally Kuntao Silat. I love the Silat training, anyway the point is, i don't know everything about M.A., I just Know what works for me. I still Train in my 50's everyday, and yes conditioning is very important. I enjoy your videos very much, because i still love Wing Chun, thank you.
I love your videos! You do very good explanations and demonstrations; however, the music is a bit distracting.
There is a lot of depth to every movement. Thats the beauty. Everything doesn’t need to be shrunk down. Many of the big swings are definitely because of the grappling. The Hakka Arts have more “Takedowns” than “Throws.” As opposed to like Lama Pai or White Crane, which influence HG / CLF. Mainland Wing Chun, and the more senior players like Yuen Kay San, Leung Jan (Gu Lao), Chan Wah Shun lineages all have a slightly bigger and more open frame than Ip Man, particularly in the 12 San Sik sets. Including more stance work as well. Also we have the same variance in Hakka. Bak Mei is a mix of frames. Hong Kong Southern Mantis is bigger frame and stance than what we have in the US from Lam Sang lineage, or in some of the UK lineages. It’s more balanced between big and small. Which is very important. Training Big frame is also better for your health and longevity, keeping your full range of motion into old age. Small frame is better for application - with the exception of the grappling techniques. Shuai Jiao uses the bigger sweeping movements to eliminate the necessity of using strength. Your whole body becomes your lever and catapult. I like to say that we’re all on a spectrum of expressing the Yin and Yang of Southern Gungfu.
Not gonna lie, i like the hakka version
I really hope you're not lying.
Wing Chun narrow stances from Shaolin short strike, taught from a one armed nun to Ng Mui, snake energetics from Emei She Er Zhuang , only few white crane and snake techniques?
Awesome ! Do you teach the haka art ? I love that it has the economy of motion of wing chun and the destruction of the opponants limbs . Awesome
Everything that we listening is an opinion, no a fact. Everything that we see is a perspective no the truth. Thanks, good topic!
Sifu, Did you ever see Steven Richard's Hop Gar Mantis book ?
Would you be willing to make a video on the dummy regarding if you have created any of your own personal sets or things you just like practicing other than just another version of Yip Man's form
Shifu please give your insights on Shaolin qi xing quan and chang hu xinyi men quan. These both have philosophical and tactical similarities as well as the lineage.
Great stuff! Very good advice :)
I think other than the finger strike, any other technique like leopard fist, phoneix eyes etc can take pretty much just as much impact as a bare fist even unconditioned. I think gloves and hand wraps gives people the impression that fist is that much better.
Interesting video.. the hakka arts use rise, sink, Swollow and Spit Ip Man Wing Chun does not...But I hear that Pin San Wing Chun does..I just think it got lost or not taught to certain people..
Great observation. Three things I learned is the historical context (if you don't know spend a few hours on this TOTALLY changes your perspective) 1. The Taiphong rebellion 2. The boxer rebellion 3. The communist takeover. We have nothing to compare in the west. In the Taiphong 40 million combatants died, not counting non combatants. The Kung Fu we have is from the survivors. This is important when you look at all the matrix stuff in the Chinese movies, sure it's exaggerated, but when you look at modern Parkour you can see where it is coming from. These guys were actually, literally, in an apocalypse. They did not train "self defense" they trained search and destroy along with the "ninja" stuff.
The history isn't pretty and we aren't taught it because they know we won't understand it in context. While there were secret teachings, I think a large component of that was to keep the identity of the high level initiates who were going "behind enemy lines" secret.
Probably IP Man's best students are the unknowns on the police force who were capturing "terrorists" for interrogation.
I was taught sinking rising stepping shifting.
@@James-g3w7w I know the culture revolution had a big impact on traditional martial arts and many master being killed or jailed for their martial arts.. Hopfully after all that it can survive and grow back to its glory days..
@@WTombstone-z7r your very lucky
@mcm_wingchun rising sinking stepping shifting all these energies are taught in ip man lineage learned this from sifu who were students of ip ching
Sifu Phil R and Sifu Manuel R.
Thank you
Also, our ancestors had stronger hands and fingers from grafting/manual labour so they could attack with them. Today people have desk jobs so their fingers are not strong enough to strike with
Old Hung Kuen had more short hand techniques compared to Wong Fei Hung's Hung Kuen. Wong Fei Hung absorbed Hup Gar and made the techniques longer. A lot of the old Hung Kuen and Wing Chun short hand techniques are descended from the Fujian styles.
The shocking movement looks ever so slightly bigger than the classic winng chun movement that might be why. The shocking movement might also significantly less effective if the opponent is wearing srmour and or has high pain tolerance but the classic wing chun movement should be a le to effect the opponents structure more easily and a little faster regardless of the type of opponent
Does that include the Wing Chung that came from Shaolin Temple
So weird, I learned leung ting wt, but we pak sau and gan sau the way u described the hakkanese style...mayhap cuz of my teacher dabbling in other martial arts prior to our wt years? We never did pak sau starting from a bridged punch, we would step in and pak first
What does northern, like inner Mongolia for example, eastern like Shanghai, and western, like Xinjiang, martial look like compared to Hong Kong styles?
I would suggest that the fukienese arts would be worth a look, as they form the root of a number of the hakkanese styles I.e. Sam chien/cheng/jin, etc. Also, hung and CLF have absorbed the long arm movements from Fut/Happy Gar,. Older versions of Hong and the other 5 families Ng Gar, may not be as 'large frame'..
Isn't Lama a northern style?
🙏
t.y. Adam
My deepest sympathies go out to Chris...he endures too much punishment in these videos. 🙃
So many people train part time...
And dont reach a high level in training
To understand the difference between WC and traditional Hakka styles in terms of impact energy, it is necessary to understand the principles of the WC system. What makes WC efficient is precisely its principles. Hakka styles have a high chance of failing when it comes to impact. WC, on the other hand, does not, because it is based on principles of simplicity for greater efficiency: economy of movements, simultaneous attack and defense, vertical punch, forward energy, centered elbow, center line, defense angles, defense quadrant (theory of portals), etc. Due to its principles, WC is much more efficient, practical and easy to apply than traditional Hakka styles. And these are universal principles, and can be used in any martial art. But WC does have efficient shock energy in his interceptions. A well-applied Tan Sao, for example, can hurt the opponent's arm. But why do I have to use such strong energy if I can use defensive angles to maximize my strikes and make my defense softer? I see it as more efficient and economical. As Bruce Lee himself said: defenses don't need to be strong, just enough to avoid the attack. Avoiding is as efficient as defending.
Iv been trainng since 1997
Consistent training brings results part time practitioner's
Will never develop
Hhmmm…. Were you not able to control your power, demonstrate the technique, but not hurt the student? Or was he faking for the video? Just curious?
Kinda like the destructions they use in filipino arts ?
Fut Sau
So basically Adam can teach Hakka Wing Chun, now that sounds very very interesting.
Samuel Kwok wing chun lineage here, and Sigung Kwok does teach that shocking energy.