@@stevenscummy1458 I’m talking about the fmvp. Because at that time people was questioning his game because it was so different. I think that the voters was different from fmvp and regular mvp.
If you gonna argue that iggy deserved the FMVP over curry, fine, just argue that Shawn Marion deserved it over dirk in 2011 first, cause it’s the same arguments
This a perfect example of why us as fans should not over-value awards..they literally robbed this man, and he’s stuck catching shit from casuals because of some other peoples mistake
@Kenny Green Like Hubie Brown giving Fred VanVleet a FMVP vote for the 2019 NBA Finals. I get why Hubie Brown did it, but him being allowed to get away with that shows that the voting for the award can be flawed.
He's catching shít from the very spörts mëdia tälking heäds that refused to vote him in as FMVP. That award is very subjective and it isn't something you can win. There’s no metrics or objectives to be achieved. They can simply group-txt each other and decide who they want to have the award. Then go on-air and beat him down for not winning a subjective award that they vote for, Smh… They were all protecting the narrative that Lëbrön is the face of the NBA and felt Steph was and is a threat to that face of the NBA narrative. Steph is a threät to the NBA Frönt Offíce desire to keep Lëbrön as the face of the NBA. Because Steph is widely accepted across all sports, especially golf, and is more articulate and endearing than Lëbrön. He’s also much more popular worldwide. His jersey outsells Lëbrön’s jersey 100-to-one in Chínä, Phílippinës and Thäiland alone. If Steph wins another Ring, it’ll be hard to argue against him becoming the face of the NBA. But I truly feel if Steph goes for 50pts in game 5, and 60pts to close out the series in 6, they’ll vote for Draymond as FMVP. They’ll argue that it was Draymond who changed the series in game two with antics.
11 people vote for that award. Half of them don't really understand the game and are busy covering gossip around it. The other half is people like Hubie Brown and Jeff Van Gundy. So yea, no one should take that award seriously.
Rumors are that the voting was 4 for lebron, 4 for iguodala, and 3 for curry. The voters had to revote cuz it was a tie so all the curry voters just went for iguodala
The video explains why Steph should've won. The reason he didn't, and Iggy did is all about the actual voters. 11 media people voted for that award. Half of them never played or even coached in the NBA, or any professional basketball. There's something you can't learn by re-watching the games and that's the actual narratives the media was telling during that series. The way I remember it, their favorite narrative was Kerr listening to a video assistant and changing the starting lineup in the middle of the series. The real story might have been more nuanced (changing the actual defensive strategy, as the video shows, and Iggy being better at calling for those double teams), but for the reporters telling those stories, that was just too complicated. Much easier to say an assistant said start Iggy and Kerr listened and look, they just keep winning. 7 of those 11 media people went with that narrative and voted for Andre, the other 4 voted for Lebron. It's ridiculous the media that gets those votes wrong then spends the rest of time pretending it wasn't them that got it wrong. If the Warriors win, they'll give Steph the FMVP and have new narratives for the next few months about how Steph was finally able to win it because he finally showed up to a finals series. It's all dumb and NBA fans should realize who votes, how clueless they are about basketball, and why these awards shouldn't count towards anything.
You don’t have to know much of anything yi see Curry was the finals Mvp that year. The media chose SA narrative and rune with it. There was also a belief they the warriors would win a lot more and they could pay curry back.
I remember a couple weeks back I looked up some Reddit posts on people that thought Andre deserved the Finals MVP and it was wild. Some had good points, but Steph literally did so much more than him. The fact Steph didn’t get one vote was just so disappointing at the time and especially now.
That's narrative for ya, Andre has a great narrative than Steph, and because he was a bench player and became a starter in the finals, guarding Lebron, and making a good stat line. It is easy to see why he won, but take away the narrative and focus on the stats and who played most minutes and performed better between the two it is obvious Steph should have won that finals MVP
I watched those finals and at the time I was fine with Iggy getting FMVP. Iggy had some big momentum building plays and was the primary defender on LeBron, who averaged under 40% FG shooting on over 33 shot attempts a game. I dont care that LeBron averaged 35 a game in the 2015 finals. If you're efficiency is that bad, and your taking close to half of all available shots for your team, the defence is winning big time. With that being said, I retrospectively wish now that Steph won FMVP then, because of how much legacy nonsense people put into it.
@@Letsbehonest37 that is because Andre is their best defender against Lebron so it makes perfect to put him in the starting lineup, but him being a finals MVP is a different story it should always go to the player who has the better performance and Steph has the better average per game in the 2015 finals.
I would argue he deserved the 2018 Finals MVP. I know KD had the better overall averages but the thing is thats only because of one outlier game which was game 3 where KD was all time great and Steph was all time bad. Besides that one game, Steph was the better player in games 1, 2, and 4, the averages are very skewed cuz of one game.
@@ItsMrGQ2U Not at all the same scenario lmfao READ WHAT I SAID!!! KDs stats were better because of ONE OUTLIER GAME (Game 3), go rewatch the series cuz games 1, 2 and 4 Steph was the better player especially games 1 and 2 he was by far the better player. Ofc you're gonna just use the averages without even checking each game. ITS NOT THE SAME AS 2015!!! Iggy wasn't just outright playing better in every game except one game giving Steph the better averages... Steph had better stats like just about every single game whereas KD didn't have better stats than Steph outside of just game 3. I'm a big KD fan, so I'm not even trying to hate on KD, but Steph deserved it
Honestly thought he had a few bad games in 2015 before watching this vid. No wonder his efficiency was worse than his regular season/playoff numbers that year which is probably why people think he underperformed that series. Curry really lost out on two FMVPs just coz he had a single horrible game in 2015 and 2018 lmao.
"Delly clamped though" lol this just brings to light how both teams really had defenders who "shut down" number one options and the false narratives being pushed about each of them
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I've been saying this same thing for both sides since 2015. People love to forget what really be happening in these kind of series
I put on first things first ask background noise sometimes if I’m doing something else, I remember they were talking about curry never having a defining moment in the finals, and all I could think about the whole time they were saying that was “series tied 2-2 in 2015, lebron goes for 40, and curry puts up 37 with 17 in the fourth quarter on 56% from the field, 54% from 3, and 100% from the line as the rest of the warriors collapsed offensively” like, how is that not a defining moment?
@@bryanfoster326 yea its actually so crazy disappointing and just disrespectful to curry and the game of basketball to push terrible takes like that and everyone just acts like it’s true or sum so sad that’s what they pushing as part of his story when it’s just flat out not true if any other star had that series they wouldn’t stop talking about it
Totally agree, and I had been doing the same since 2015. Now after this most recent championship and Curry finally winning Finals MVP I can't help but think to myself "That man should be a 2x Finals MVP."
Even in 2015, I wad rooting for Lebron, and when Cavs lost I saw the mvp, I was like "wtf" . Even then, watching carefully all the games I did not believe Iggy was MVP. He was best defender and important for their win, but Steph was easy thr MVP...
if you go by "value" and not stats then realistically steph shouldve won all 3 fmvps.. durant was out there getting layups cuz people doublin curry 30 feet out
This will always be the case. Tony Parker won the 2007 Finals MVP because the Cavs tripled Duncan. Parker basically had layup drills the whole series. Duncan was by far the best player on the team. He even had more assist and steals than Parker in that series. Durant played almost flawless in those finals. It isn’t hard to believe why he won. Durant hit some big shots and he created his own shots. It wasn’t like Durant stood in the corner all game. Without Durant GS doesn’t win those 2 championships. Maybe one but not both.
@@roncrudup2110 i completely understand. in this case iggys "impact" was prioritized over stephs stats while in these other cases durants stats were more important than stephs impact. it is what it is and im not saying the nba has to necessarily change how they vote. my point was just that the criteria should be applied consistently.
🎯 they don't wanna hear that Sam, they casuals and kd is they savior. CURRY LITERALLY HAD 3 PLAYERS COMING AT HIM CROSSING HALFCOURT LOL. KD was playing 1 on none
you freaking right,,,i been tellin people that for years .this video of durant final all serie hightlight say it all..... ruclips.net/video/gW6dL9RZdyY/видео.html
@@roncrudup2110 watch this video ,,you will understand what he saying..this video is durant finals hightlight all serie and you can see how easy was for durant coz they double curry......... ruclips.net/video/gW6dL9RZdyY/видео.html
3x fmvp cuz I argue he should've been the 2018 Finals MVP, he was better and more impactful in games 1, 2 and 4 of that 2018 Finals than KD was. KD just was way better in one and only one game
I was upset at the time. Literally the one time the award could have been given to the most impactful player without focusing on stats, they gave it to someone with "narrative value". I respect Iguodala's achievement all the same, but he was not the most impactful. Steph was the Finals MVP. He was the most impactful arguably in almost all the runs. If he wasn't there, would they win?
About God damn time you did this video. Been waiting on it for two years now. I still remember watching these finals and getting pissed that Curry didn't win Finals MVP. Still doesn't make sense to me to this day.
Commenting before I watch the video, but I think it’s because the NBA was still relunctant to recognize Steph as all all time great yet and didn’t want him to be, so they snubbed him for the award. But Steph kept dominating and now it’s undeniable how great he is and how deserving he is of at least ONE finals MVP by now.
I wouldn’t say the nba because at the time he was gold when it comes to being marketable. It was the writers and those who control awards and narratives that were reluctant. All of the same people who uses it against him today
this narrative pisses me off so much dawg, ppl invalidating stephs legacy bc he got snubbed from a fmvp, on multiple occasions, mans dropped 26,7,5. its makes no sense, im jus hoping this year gsw wins the finals and steph gets his fmvp
actually the Cavs were winning because of defense too, Lebron put up great numbers but the efficiency was awful. As low showed, it was a 100% because Klay, Barnes and Green were a hindrance on offense, if they played average, GS wins in 4
Without Iggy LeBron would have had a field day but he was horribly inefficient that series because of Iggy’s defense. LeBron should have had 0 votes it’s just the dick riding was crazy and people hated Steph Curry back then.
Excellent analysis! I have always contended that Curry was outright snubbed, and your analysis (along with supporting video and statistical references) supports this. GREAT WORK!! Unfortunately, the old-head analysts won't ever be convinced due to personal bias. Sad but true. And btw, I also strongly believe that Curry deserved the 2018 Finals MVP as well over Durant.
I remember watching that entire final series and being completely shocked when Iguodala won the award. He was a great piece, but obviously there’s no denying Steph should’ve won that award. It was plain as day.
FACTS!!! I've been saying this for a long time and I'm a Kevin Durant fan. In game 3 KD was all time great and Steph all time bad but one game doesn't determine who was the better player or more valuable, Steph was better than KD in games 1, 2 and 4. That one game 3 is a huge outlier that people will disregard when just pointing out the per game averages in the series
Steph is and had been the best player in the league for years. He's beaten both KD and Lebron head to head. He didn't hop teams to do it. Steph was a great defender on both Lebron and Kd. Marcus smart is rated as the 4th best defensive guard. He's the defensive player of the year. Steph well he was rated as the fifth best defender. He's casted as the worse defender of all time despite the fact that most elite players switch on him and struggle to actually score. Just watch the footage of all the turnovers. In fact the infamous 3-1 comeback was made possible because Draymond was suspended and curry was fouled out of the game. The fact no analyst ever mentions that shows you how rigged those games were. Curry locked kyrie up and every time he got a steal they called a foul. The nba tried the same thing this year with Boston. Boston shot double the amount of FTs GS shot. Gs didn't get to the line until the 4th qtr in game 6 despite the celtics excessive reaching grabbing swiping charging and holding. Steph didn't allow the league to rob him this time
The 2015 Finals was my introduction to Steph Curry. I was astonished by that man shooting from practically everywhere on the court, hitting timely 3s left and right. I didn't even watch the postgame to game 6 because I knew Steph was going to win FMVP...then they gave it to Iggy
If I am Steph Curry i would hate those 11 voters for the rest of my life, cuz if GSW dont win this year, than there is a little room for them to compete and if he dont win a FMVP, u know, u damn know that guys like Nick Wrong or Skip Bayless would hold them against him for the rest of his life
Thank you Low! I’ve been saying this for yearsss. Too many times we allow the narrative to override facts. The FACT is that it was the team defense that slowed LeBron down; no, and I mean no one defender can considerably slow down all time greats like LeBron. Steph deserved that, and if for some reason he didn’t get it, it should’ve been LeBron. I swear narratives stick to ppl’s minds and players’ legacies like a bad odour. 🤦🏾♂️
This type of objective and unbias reporting is what sports fans have been craving. Thank you for the high quality video and excellent information. You sir, have earned a sub!
Iguodala got the award as a proxy for the people who wanted to vote for Lebron. Curry having ONE bad game has costed him 2 FMVPs now - Game 2 of 2015 & Game 3 of 2018. It’s a shame that his legacy will be diminished because people didn’t want to give him the award. He’s probably the greatest player under 6-6 & very few will look at him that way. Propaganda is powerful.
They secretly wanted to give it to Lebron but decided to give it to Iggy to make sure curry legacy didn't get higher than they gave it to KD twice so now curry has no FMVP
I wonder how many people actually watched the finals and thought while watching, Iggy is the finals mvp. Like I was shocked when Iggy was awarded it live
I’m not mad Andre won it I’m more upset that the voters gave Lebron bulk of the votes over Steph imo Lebron should not have gotten a single vote & then Steph would be FMVP
I'm happy for Iggy, but Steph was absolutely robbed of the FMVP. Curry had the best overall stats on his team, best clutch stats out of everyone in the series, best 4th quarter-scorer out of everyone in the series. He only had one bad game. He had very little offensive help and they certainly would not have been able to win without him. Game 1: 26pts, 8ast, 4reb, 50% FG Game 2: 19pts, 5ast, 6reb, 21% FG Game 3: 27pts, 6ast, 8reb, 50% FG Game 4: 22pts, 7ast, 2reb, 47.1% FG Game 5: 37pts, 4ast, 7reb, 53.8% FG Game 6: 25pts, 8ast, 6reb, 42.1% FG
@@ItsMrGQ2U Iggy’s points were coming off set-up from Steph. Sure, Steph isn’t an elite defender, but let’s not act like Iggy was some offensive juggernaut. The “two sides to the game” argument goes both ways. Not taking away credit from Iggy, but Steph was without a doubt the MVP of that Warriors team during the 2015 finals. The fact that he didn’t get a single vote is disrespectful.
Steph deserved the FMVP in 2015, what i think happened was they followed the hype that Kawhi made the previous year when he got it, and voters just assumed the same happened with Iggy
Yes he should’ve!! Man talking about a “LeBron stopper” and he was feasting over there!! He should’ve definitely won it. Watch GS wins and they give it to Wiggins or Draymond lmao!!
@@warriorsa-cash8534 Look at his FG% in the first 3 games before they made the Iggy starting adjustment that "changed the series" in game 4.... His percentages first 3 games were trash and did you watch the video?? They were single coveraging him games 1-3 and then sending doubles/extra help defender games 4-6 so lmao Iggy didn't single handedly shut down anything
It is crazy how far media propaganda can go to push a narrative. The exact same propaganda machine that labeled Deli the Curry stopper is the same propaganda machine that won Iggy a finals MVP and labeled him the Lebron stopper, despite the fact that they were both individually one of the worst defenders in the entire series when guarding the other teams best player.
Curry’s gravity or in other words for those who watched the series… EVERY SINGLE basket Iggy scored that wasnt part of a fastbreak was due to curry’s gravity.
This is like the 1996 Finals MVP Michael Jordan, if you did a breakdown of this series Dennis Rodman was by far the best player on the floor but the NBA couldn't give it to the Bad Guy! It would be a cool video. Keep up the good work
Im so glad this is getting talked about because what the media did imo was what they did to Kobe which was very lame they use FMVP to invalidate how important he was to his team but most importantly the league. That eventually had us take them for granted
You could argue for Steph to be a 2 time FMVP in 2015 and 2018 but hopefully he will finally get it this season, if the Warriors win ofc. Though if the Warriors do win I don’t see how Steph won’t win the FMVP
Great breakdown! What about the two KD fmvps? Not taking anything from KD but I can see why some people making the argument that Curry might have a claim too. I mean being the engine of their offense, curry’s impact was not fully reflected stats wise but KD did raise the ceiling. Das tough
You did a great explaining what a lot of us Dubs fans have been saying for years. There was clearly a narrative built that went against Steph and it unfortunately has swayed a ton of idiots to disrespect and misrepresent his career. I never understood him not getting one single vote for that now overrated award that seems to be the end all be all for greatness. That award for Iggy was an all time 🧢.
It's actually kinda scary how the ESPN graphics can just be flat-out fake as you showed, I laughed so hard at the TO where Delly wasn't on the court. This video shows that watching the games with your own eyes is way more important/valuable than listening to "sports analysts", great job.
I'm glad you made this video because this is a prime example of how narratives ruin the game. I've long believed Steph should not only have one but two Finals MVPs but got robbed because of the narrative he "under performed".
Well done sir. Did you happen to notice how it took time for the warriors to adjust to the officiating? Basically lebron was the league's icon and they were trying hard to get him that ring. Do you have one on the next year, with the phantom foul calls on the warriors contrasted to what the Cavs were allowed. I understand the league won't leave the money to complete chance but that fix was bad showmanship by the league. Same as that year's Superbowl. The refs needed to learn to cheat more entertainingly.
Honestly think he should’ve won the 2018 FMVP, he had a bad Game 3, but KD had a bad Game 1, so that argument KD was more consistent is thrown out the window. Curry should’ve had two FMVPs and hopefully this year he gets one.
Even if Wiggins plays like Michael Jordan in the next games and Steph having low scoring games, I'd still give Curry the trophy. That's a big IF the Warriors win
I hate every time they give someone MVP for playing defense on someone else. That's BS. Like come on! Look at LeBron's stat line for that series 1:08. You really saying give it to Iggy for defending that???
This was the only Dubs Championship that I watched every single game of because I wasn't a full time worker yet. I still remember being so delighted with winning the whole thing that I didn't pay too much mind to Iggy winning FMVP, other than a raised eyebrow. Curry was electric and will always be our MVP because even if he's not shooting great, his gravity, like you said, can still get us free points from the role players.
simple explanation why curry was not awarded. FINALS MVP IS OWNED BY NIKE! in 2015 Curry shoes and UA almost took Nike down. Billions of dollars was lost by Nike due to CURRY's popularity because it was the beginning of basketball revolution in 3 point line. Curry changed the game. Lebron's game is not new. Power dunks and 1 man domination was done before and maybe better by kemp, malone, barkley, and many others.
Steph really should have 3 because he should have won in 2015, but he should have won 1 of those KD years as he outplayed KD in 3 if 4 games but the series numbers were skewed because in one game KD had 44 & steph had 7. So the numbers were alot closer then they should have been.
LOW is really a W analyst. Mans really keep it fair for all players in the league and stay unbiased....i been saying for years that Iggy (who i been a fan of since Philly) didnt really "shut lebron down"
Thank God someone made a video about this. LeBron should have won it but there’s a precedent of winning teams winning the award, which I agree with. Buddy got robbed of an accolade that would undoubtedly put him top 5 all time when he’s done.
@@RecapRico you're wrong. It's not about him having 1 finals MVP, its about how it looks on his resume when his career is all said and done. If he wins the title this year and finals mvp, then looking back he could've possibly been a 4 time champ with 2 finals MVPs which would arguably put him right there or above a guy like Duncan or Shaq. Even with just the 1 finals MVP he has a case tho.
14:04 Lebron generating even a below average with the teammates he did is a testament to how good he was in this series. Lebron's starting 5: J.R Smith: 0.312% from the field and 0.294 from 2 Matthew Dellavedova: 0.283 and 0.231 Iman Shumpert: 0.256 and 0.320 James Jones: 0.316 and 0.308 Lebron's teammates when he wasn't on the floor went 6/35 for a 17,1 FG%. If Lebron's teammates shoot even below average in this series the Cavs would've generated a good enough offense to win the series, but instead they shot historically bad and lost the series for Lebron. Lebron also led all players in ppg, rpg, apg and most advanced statistical categories outside of shooting metrics.
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I think the only reason he didn’t win was because the voters didn’t like his game. Saying stuff like you can’t win a championship playing like that.
Cap, the reason he got so popular and got voted unanimous MVP is because people liked his game and relatability
@@stevenscummy1458 I’m talking about the fmvp. Because at that time people was questioning his game because it was so different. I think that the voters was different from fmvp and regular mvp.
If you gonna argue that iggy deserved the FMVP over curry, fine, just argue that Shawn Marion deserved it over dirk in 2011 first, cause it’s the same arguments
Or that Kyrie deserved it over Bron in 2016 cuz he guarded Steph most of the time
Makes no sense
Spoken like a casual lmao
I watched that 2015 series, iguodala played least minutes but had max impact
@@theneokenshin he was good on both ends too
This a perfect example of why us as fans should not over-value awards..they literally robbed this man, and he’s stuck catching shit from casuals because of some other peoples mistake
@Kenny Green Like Hubie Brown giving Fred VanVleet a FMVP vote for the 2019 NBA Finals. I get why Hubie Brown did it, but him being allowed to get away with that shows that the voting for the award can be flawed.
@@SunnyHF-nf4bc yep it's because media votes are subjective af. Way more than GM's or others in the league
He's catching shít from the very spörts mëdia tälking heäds that refused to vote him in as FMVP. That award is very subjective and it isn't something you can win. There’s no metrics or objectives to be achieved. They can simply group-txt each other and decide who they want to have the award. Then go on-air and beat him down for not winning a subjective award that they vote for, Smh… They were all protecting the narrative that Lëbrön is the face of the NBA and felt Steph was and is a threat to that face of the NBA narrative. Steph is a threät to the NBA Frönt Offíce desire to keep Lëbrön as the face of the NBA. Because Steph is widely accepted across all sports, especially golf, and is more articulate and endearing than Lëbrön. He’s also much more popular worldwide. His jersey outsells Lëbrön’s jersey 100-to-one in Chínä, Phílippinës and Thäiland alone. If Steph wins another Ring, it’ll be hard to argue against him becoming the face of the NBA. But I truly feel if Steph goes for 50pts in game 5, and 60pts to close out the series in 6, they’ll vote for Draymond as FMVP. They’ll argue that it was Draymond who changed the series in game two with antics.
11 people vote for that award. Half of them don't really understand the game and are busy covering gossip around it. The other half is people like Hubie Brown and Jeff Van Gundy.
So yea, no one should take that award seriously.
If fans were voting for these awards, I can guarantee you that Iggy would get meme votes this year for FMVP
Steph didn't receive a single vote in those finals?? Please tell me those ppl who did the voting that year aren't still allowed to vote on this 🙄😒🤨
Rumors are that the voting was 4 for lebron, 4 for iguodala, and 3 for curry. The voters had to revote cuz it was a tie so all the curry voters just went for iguodala
@@waltercampbell9787 Lebron had 4, Andre and Steph 3 each, Andre voters wouldn't budge, so Curry voters switched to avoid Lebron getting FMVP
@@josefrancisco4178 it was a tie. There’s 11 votes
@@waltercampbell9787 YES!!!
Originally Curry got votes, the there was a revote of the "top 2", such was the split evenly balanced
@@darrengordon-hill Nope, it's a lie invented by the buffoon Nick Wright, who got caught and had to apologize for it.
The video explains why Steph should've won.
The reason he didn't, and Iggy did is all about the actual voters.
11 media people voted for that award. Half of them never played or even coached in the NBA, or any professional basketball.
There's something you can't learn by re-watching the games and that's the actual narratives the media was telling during that series.
The way I remember it, their favorite narrative was Kerr listening to a video assistant and changing the starting lineup in the middle of the series. The real story might have been more nuanced (changing the actual defensive strategy, as the video shows, and Iggy being better at calling for those double teams), but for the reporters telling those stories, that was just too complicated. Much easier to say an assistant said start Iggy and Kerr listened and look, they just keep winning.
7 of those 11 media people went with that narrative and voted for Andre, the other 4 voted for Lebron.
It's ridiculous the media that gets those votes wrong then spends the rest of time pretending it wasn't them that got it wrong.
If the Warriors win, they'll give Steph the FMVP and have new narratives for the next few months about how Steph was finally able to win it because he finally showed up to a finals series.
It's all dumb and NBA fans should realize who votes, how clueless they are about basketball, and why these awards shouldn't count towards anything.
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I hate when people talk about Magic’s three fmvps for that reason.
Curry did win the 2022 FMVP, and some part of the media, now says that he was carried through the finals to win and didn't actually showed up...
@@TheGielth all of the media that slanders Curry they all jealous it's just burning them to see this 6'3" of a player smashing their status quo.
You don’t have to know much of anything yi see Curry was the finals Mvp that year. The media chose SA narrative and rune with it. There was also a belief they the warriors would win a lot more and they could pay curry back.
I remember a couple weeks back I looked up some Reddit posts on people that thought Andre deserved the Finals MVP and it was wild. Some had good points, but Steph literally did so much more than him. The fact Steph didn’t get one vote was just so disappointing at the time and especially now.
That’s Reddit for you
That's narrative for ya, Andre has a great narrative than Steph, and because he was a bench player and became a starter in the finals, guarding Lebron, and making a good stat line. It is easy to see why he won, but take away the narrative and focus on the stats and who played most minutes and performed better between the two it is obvious Steph should have won that finals MVP
I watched those finals and at the time I was fine with Iggy getting FMVP. Iggy had some big momentum building plays and was the primary defender on LeBron, who averaged under 40% FG shooting on over 33 shot attempts a game. I dont care that LeBron averaged 35 a game in the 2015 finals. If you're efficiency is that bad, and your taking close to half of all available shots for your team, the defence is winning big time.
With that being said, I retrospectively wish now that Steph won FMVP then, because of how much legacy nonsense people put into it.
@@Letsbehonest37 that is because Andre is their best defender against Lebron so it makes perfect to put him in the starting lineup, but him being a finals MVP is a different story it should always go to the player who has the better performance and Steph has the better average per game in the 2015 finals.
That’s y u can’t let awards that old bitter men vote on determine a players greatness
I would argue he deserved the 2018 Finals MVP. I know KD had the better overall averages but the thing is thats only because of one outlier game which was game 3 where KD was all time great and Steph was all time bad. Besides that one game, Steph was the better player in games 1, 2, and 4, the averages are very skewed cuz of one game.
So KDs stats were better but Steph deserved FMVP? Damn… kinda the same case scenario as Iggy vs Steph huh?… lmao
@@ItsMrGQ2U Not at all the same scenario lmfao READ WHAT I SAID!!! KDs stats were better because of ONE OUTLIER GAME (Game 3), go rewatch the series cuz games 1, 2 and 4 Steph was the better player especially games 1 and 2 he was by far the better player. Ofc you're gonna just use the averages without even checking each game.
ITS NOT THE SAME AS 2015!!! Iggy wasn't just outright playing better in every game except one game giving Steph the better averages... Steph had better stats like just about every single game whereas KD didn't have better stats than Steph outside of just game 3. I'm a big KD fan, so I'm not even trying to hate on KD, but Steph deserved it
@@joesanthosh5315 Facts thought I was alone 💯
@@ItsMrGQ2U bruh shut up kd had the chance to be great because of the attention steph draws we seeing that now that teams can load up on kd
@@TheGibsond10 okay… so Steph doesn’t get a chance to be great cuz Wiggins Poole and Klay pull so much attention too?… lmao
Finally LOW. Steph Curry's eruption in G5 should've sealed it. But the media narrative went against him.
Haven’t heard this perspective about Steph winning Finals MVP that year. Thank you for breaking this down for us LOW.
Great thing about Steph is that he probably already knew all this and didn't care because they won.
Honestly thought he had a few bad games in 2015 before watching this vid. No wonder his efficiency was worse than his regular season/playoff numbers that year which is probably why people think he underperformed that series. Curry really lost out on two FMVPs just coz he had a single horrible game in 2015 and 2018 lmao.
"Delly clamped though" lol this just brings to light how both teams really had defenders who "shut down" number one options and the false narratives being pushed about each of them
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I've been saying this same thing for both sides since 2015. People love to forget what really be happening in these kind of series
I put on first things first ask background noise sometimes if I’m doing something else, I remember they were talking about curry never having a defining moment in the finals, and all I could think about the whole time they were saying that was “series tied 2-2 in 2015, lebron goes for 40, and curry puts up 37 with 17 in the fourth quarter on 56% from the field, 54% from 3, and 100% from the line as the rest of the warriors collapsed offensively” like, how is that not a defining moment?
@@bryanfoster326 yea its actually so crazy disappointing and just disrespectful to curry and the game of basketball to push terrible takes like that and everyone just acts like it’s true or sum so sad that’s what they pushing as part of his story when it’s just flat out not true if any other star had that series they wouldn’t stop talking about it
Totally agree, and I had been doing the same since 2015. Now after this most recent championship and Curry finally winning Finals MVP I can't help but think to myself "That man should be a 2x Finals MVP."
Even in 2015, I wad rooting for Lebron, and when Cavs lost I saw the mvp, I was like "wtf" . Even then, watching carefully all the games I did not believe Iggy was MVP. He was best defender and important for their win, but Steph was easy thr MVP...
You could argue Dray was they’re best defender lebron barely scored on him
@@DontAdoreYou I honestly believed Iggy was best defender 1v1 but Dreymond was the leader on the defensive end 100% still Steph deserved MVP.
@@ST-tf4sq not even close lmao he “held” lebron to 30 ppg
@@jullianmolina8842 36ppg
@@DontAdoreYou you could argue? There’s no argument, draymond was by far the best defender on the court.
if you go by "value" and not stats then realistically steph shouldve won all 3 fmvps.. durant was out there getting layups cuz people doublin curry 30 feet out
This will always be the case. Tony Parker won the 2007 Finals MVP because the Cavs tripled Duncan. Parker basically had layup drills the whole series. Duncan was by far the best player on the team. He even had more assist and steals than Parker in that series. Durant played almost flawless in those finals. It isn’t hard to believe why he won. Durant hit some big shots and he created his own shots. It wasn’t like Durant stood in the corner all game. Without Durant GS doesn’t win those 2 championships. Maybe one but not both.
@@roncrudup2110 i completely understand. in this case iggys "impact" was prioritized over stephs stats while in these other cases durants stats were more important than stephs impact. it is what it is and im not saying the nba has to necessarily change how they vote. my point was just that the criteria should be applied consistently.
🎯 they don't wanna hear that Sam, they casuals and kd is they savior. CURRY LITERALLY HAD 3 PLAYERS COMING AT HIM CROSSING HALFCOURT LOL. KD was playing 1 on none
you freaking right,,,i been tellin people that for years .this video of durant final all serie hightlight say it all..... ruclips.net/video/gW6dL9RZdyY/видео.html
@@roncrudup2110 watch this video ,,you will understand what he saying..this video is durant finals hightlight all serie and you can see how easy was for durant coz they double curry......... ruclips.net/video/gW6dL9RZdyY/видео.html
My boy should be a 2x fmvp after this series along with 4 titles 😭😤😤
3x fmvp cuz I argue he should've been the 2018 Finals MVP, he was better and more impactful in games 1, 2 and 4 of that 2018 Finals than KD was. KD just was way better in one and only one game
Well he’ll have 0x FMVP and 3 titles after this series
@@ItsMrGQ2U 💀
@@raskult it’s gon be funny when Wiggins wins mvp
@@raskult 💀
I was upset at the time. Literally the one time the award could have been given to the most impactful player without focusing on stats, they gave it to someone with "narrative value". I respect Iguodala's achievement all the same, but he was not the most impactful. Steph was the Finals MVP. He was the most impactful arguably in almost all the runs. If he wasn't there, would they win?
no they wouldn't even be there
Unequivocally no they wouldn't even be there and that's a FACT
No they wouldn't without a doubt.
About God damn time you did this video. Been waiting on it for two years now. I still remember watching these finals and getting pissed that Curry didn't win Finals MVP. Still doesn't make sense to me to this day.
Commenting before I watch the video, but I think it’s because the NBA was still relunctant to recognize Steph as all all time great yet and didn’t want him to be, so they snubbed him for the award. But Steph kept dominating and now it’s undeniable how great he is and how deserving he is of at least ONE finals MVP by now.
I wouldn’t say the nba because at the time he was gold when it comes to being marketable. It was the writers and those who control awards and narratives that were reluctant. All of the same people who uses it against him today
ALL OF THIS!!
They wanted to give it to LeBron, win or lose.
Steph is FMVP in my opinion, which is all that counts.
@@Lon612 those guy milking LeBron story all their career. Even if the warriors win it the headlines will need to be about LeBron
“The NBA” lol bro the Finals MVP is voted by 100% media members, no players, fans, or NBA executives.
The NBA is scripted why else did that many people vote iggy over Steph
Not giving Curry that finals MVP was disrespectful.
this narrative pisses me off so much dawg, ppl invalidating stephs legacy bc he got snubbed from a fmvp, on multiple occasions, mans dropped 26,7,5. its makes no sense, im jus hoping this year gsw wins the finals and steph gets his fmvp
He ended up winning it, but he still gets discredited and is constantly labeled as a "sidekick"
It didn’t even bother me that much when Iguodala won it. I didn’t expect all these years later people would be hanging it over Steph’s head
Thank you for saying this, because Steph should have two Finals MVP awards. He also deserved it in '18.
I never understood how Iggy won fmvp for his “defense” when lebron almost won fmvp because of how much he dominated
Fr, like I understand how Iggy made him work but the statements contradict eachother
actually the Cavs were winning because of defense too, Lebron put up great numbers but the efficiency was awful.
As low showed, it was a 100% because Klay, Barnes and Green were a hindrance on offense, if they played average, GS wins in 4
Absolutely! Even Skip says this obvious contradiction!
MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE!!!
LeBron COULD'VE won it... for THE SAME PERFORMANCE in which "Iggy shut him down"
LEBRON'S D-RIDERS!!!
Without Iggy LeBron would have had a field day but he was horribly inefficient that series because of Iggy’s defense. LeBron should have had 0 votes it’s just the dick riding was crazy and people hated Steph Curry back then.
Excellent analysis! I have always contended that Curry was outright snubbed, and your analysis (along with supporting video and statistical references) supports this. GREAT WORK!!
Unfortunately, the old-head analysts won't ever be convinced due to personal bias. Sad but true. And btw, I also strongly believe that Curry deserved the 2018 Finals MVP as well over Durant.
same... curry should def have 2 FMVP
Perfect blend of eye test and stats. 2015 ruined finals MVP for me but Delly still a 🐐
Festus Ezeli also had a very strong case for FMVP.
I remember watching that entire final series and being completely shocked when Iguodala won the award. He was a great piece, but obviously there’s no denying Steph should’ve won that award. It was plain as day.
NEXT: Curry deserves the 2018 FMVP
FACTS!!! I've been saying this for a long time and I'm a Kevin Durant fan. In game 3 KD was all time great and Steph all time bad but one game doesn't determine who was the better player or more valuable, Steph was better than KD in games 1, 2 and 4. That one game 3 is a huge outlier that people will disregard when just pointing out the per game averages in the series
@@dae1396 curry outplayed Durant in 3/4 games and Curry also outplayed Durant in the only important game of that series, Game 1
He definitely does
Steph is and had been the best player in the league for years. He's beaten both KD and Lebron head to head. He didn't hop teams to do it. Steph was a great defender on both Lebron and Kd.
Marcus smart is rated as the 4th best defensive guard. He's the defensive player of the year.
Steph well he was rated as the fifth best defender. He's casted as the worse defender of all time despite the fact that most elite players switch on him and struggle to actually score.
Just watch the footage of all the turnovers.
In fact the infamous 3-1 comeback was made possible because Draymond was suspended and curry was fouled out of the game. The fact no analyst ever mentions that shows you how rigged those games were.
Curry locked kyrie up and every time he got a steal they called a foul.
The nba tried the same thing this year with Boston.
Boston shot double the amount of FTs GS shot. Gs didn't get to the line until the 4th qtr in game 6 despite the celtics excessive reaching grabbing swiping charging and holding.
Steph didn't allow the league to rob him this time
The 2015 Finals was my introduction to Steph Curry. I was astonished by that man shooting from practically everywhere on the court, hitting timely 3s left and right. I didn't even watch the postgame to game 6 because I knew Steph was going to win FMVP...then they gave it to Iggy
I been saying this in my circle for the longest time. Thanks for putting more context to it. Love your videos.
As a wise man once said: "I WANT IGUODALA!"
I scrolled through the comments just for this comment. Soon as I saw this thumbnail. It had to be said.
Matthew Dellanodova was hospitalized for dehydration after guarding Curry. He put his life on the line stopping Steph
If I am Steph Curry i would hate those 11 voters for the rest of my life, cuz if GSW dont win this year, than there is a little room for them to compete and if he dont win a FMVP, u know, u damn know that guys like Nick Wrong or Skip Bayless would hold them against him for the rest of his life
Nike has a say in this NBA, as much as possible nike doesn't want Curry to have a FMVP award because curry is an Under Armored guy.
Also this
You’re the best in the game bro. The narrative that Delly locked up Curry is wild.
This is hilarious timing for this video 📹 🤣
I was amazed at how the Cavs kept a double team on Steph Curry off the ball 30 feet from the basket when Durant had the ball.
Thank you Low! I’ve been saying this for yearsss. Too many times we allow the narrative to override facts. The FACT is that it was the team defense that slowed LeBron down; no, and I mean no one defender can considerably slow down all time greats like LeBron. Steph deserved that, and if for some reason he didn’t get it, it should’ve been LeBron.
I swear narratives stick to ppl’s minds and players’ legacies like a bad odour. 🤦🏾♂️
This type of objective and unbias reporting is what sports fans have been craving. Thank you for the high quality video and excellent information. You sir, have earned a sub!
Iguodala got the award as a proxy for the people who wanted to vote for Lebron.
Curry having ONE bad game has costed him 2 FMVPs now - Game 2 of 2015 & Game 3 of 2018. It’s a shame that his legacy will be diminished because people didn’t want to give him the award.
He’s probably the greatest player under 6-6 & very few will look at him that way.
Propaganda is powerful.
They secretly wanted to give it to Lebron but decided to give it to Iggy to make sure curry legacy didn't get higher than they gave it to KD twice so now curry has no FMVP
I wonder how many people actually watched the finals and thought while watching, Iggy is the finals mvp. Like I was shocked when Iggy was awarded it live
Man I hate the warriors and I was suprised how iggy won I was like wtf how 💀💀
2015 Finals Averages:
Iggy: 16pts, 6reb, 4ast on 52/40 split (+Defense)
Curry: 26pt, 5reb, 6ast on 44/39 split (+5 TO)
Bron: 36pt, 13reb, 9ast on 40/31 split (+46 min)
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I most definitely prefer the guy who scored 26 points and carried the teams offense instead of a dude that got bullied by LeBron.
I’m not mad Andre won it I’m more upset that the voters gave Lebron bulk of the votes over Steph imo Lebron should not have gotten a single vote & then Steph would be FMVP
That’s a bit much. LeBron carried spectators to 6 games in the finals
@@smbenga2 to say 6 games is really funny and a bit much as well. 4 out of 6 were losses.
Should have said 2 wins.
I'm happy for Iggy, but Steph was absolutely robbed of the FMVP.
Curry had the best overall stats on his team, best clutch stats out of everyone in the series, best 4th quarter-scorer out of everyone in the series. He only had one bad game. He had very little offensive help and they certainly would not have been able to win without him.
Game 1: 26pts, 8ast, 4reb, 50% FG
Game 2: 19pts, 5ast, 6reb, 21% FG
Game 3: 27pts, 6ast, 8reb, 50% FG
Game 4: 22pts, 7ast, 2reb, 47.1% FG
Game 5: 37pts, 4ast, 7reb, 53.8% FG
Game 6: 25pts, 8ast, 6reb, 42.1% FG
Once they started Andre Iguadola the whole series changed…
@@ItsMrGQ2U That's stupid.
No Iggy, maybe the Warriors win in 7
NO Steph, Warriors get swept.
Understand the gist?
Iguadola was matched up with lebron James… Steph was matched up against…? Delladova?… lmao
@@ItsMrGQ2U you'd be the same person to say that delly locked up curry tho...
@@ItsMrGQ2U Iggy’s points were coming off set-up from Steph. Sure, Steph isn’t an elite defender, but let’s not act like Iggy was some offensive juggernaut. The “two sides to the game” argument goes both ways. Not taking away credit from Iggy, but Steph was without a doubt the MVP of that Warriors team during the 2015 finals. The fact that he didn’t get a single vote is disrespectful.
Steph deserved the FMVP in 2015, what i think happened was they followed the hype that Kawhi made the previous year when he got it, and voters just assumed the same happened with Iggy
Yes he should’ve!! Man talking about a “LeBron stopper” and he was feasting over there!! He should’ve definitely won it. Watch GS wins and they give it to Wiggins or Draymond lmao!!
feasting by shooting 38% from the field
don't know how that is feasting
@@warriorsa-cash8534 I mean lebron still averaged 35+. Curry should’ve won it
@@Josh-xj9wp but he was basically chucking up shots
@@warriorsa-cash8534 Look at his FG% in the first 3 games before they made the Iggy starting adjustment that "changed the series" in game 4.... His percentages first 3 games were trash and did you watch the video?? They were single coveraging him games 1-3 and then sending doubles/extra help defender games 4-6 so lmao Iggy didn't single handedly shut down anything
It is crazy how far media propaganda can go to push a narrative. The exact same propaganda machine that labeled Deli the Curry stopper is the same propaganda machine that won Iggy a finals MVP and labeled him the Lebron stopper, despite the fact that they were both individually one of the worst defenders in the entire series when guarding the other teams best player.
Giving iggy the finals MVP made the 2015 finals look even uglier than it already was.
bro for RUclips and nba content and research you are one of the elite. enjoy all your content on every platform good shit
Saw you do some of this on stream curry 100% deserved
Curry’s gravity or in other words for those who watched the series… EVERY SINGLE basket Iggy scored that wasnt part of a fastbreak was due to curry’s gravity.
see nobody talk about how important gravity is. i’m glad you brought it up
Great video. Thanks for giving us entertaining and ACCURATE basketball content
Best video I’ve ever seen on the topic. Good shit brother. I know this took a ton of work to put together.
This is like the 1996 Finals MVP Michael Jordan, if you did a breakdown of this series Dennis Rodman was by far the best player on the floor but the NBA couldn't give it to the Bad Guy! It would be a cool video. Keep up the good work
No he wasn't LMAO
Wtf not even close
That’s true but Rodman was a bad image for the NBA,they wouldn’t give it to him
Im so glad this is getting talked about because what the media did imo was what they did to Kobe which was very lame they use FMVP to invalidate how important he was to his team but most importantly the league. That eventually had us take them for granted
The massive amount of slander that comes from this series still pisses me off, and I'm a Dame fan.
Dame is washed btw +ratio
@@bobjr8519 Not really+Dame Betta+Ratio
@@chrishosey7535 dame fraud is nothing w/o cj +ratio+yb better
@@bobjr8519 not really+KD>Curry+Double ratioed
@@chrishosey7535dame just Jeff teague with range +udk ball +triple ratio
You could argue for Steph to be a 2 time FMVP in 2015 and 2018 but hopefully he will finally get it this season, if the Warriors win ofc.
Though if the Warriors do win I don’t see how Steph won’t win the FMVP
great video bro i needed this
Steph looks so diff 7 years ago holy shit 🤣
He bulked up
Great breakdown! What about the two KD fmvps? Not taking anything from KD but I can see why some people making the argument that Curry might have a claim too. I mean being the engine of their offense, curry’s impact was not fully reflected stats wise but KD did raise the ceiling. Das tough
You did a great explaining what a lot of us Dubs fans have been saying for years. There was clearly a narrative built that went against Steph and it unfortunately has swayed a ton of idiots to disrespect and misrepresent his career. I never understood him not getting one single vote for that now overrated award that seems to be the end all be all for greatness. That award for Iggy was an all time 🧢.
It's actually kinda scary how the ESPN graphics can just be flat-out fake as you showed, I laughed so hard at the TO where Delly wasn't on the court. This video shows that watching the games with your own eyes is way more important/valuable than listening to "sports analysts", great job.
It’s sad ESPN can’t drop facts like this 👍 good vid
Great video ! Good job
Been waiting for this post
great video LOW, where you rewatching these games tho? gonna need the sauce for that
Preciate dis video people needa see this
U better thn every analyst in the game rn ppl like u deserve to go places my g
The refs were very flattering to deli. That jerk diving into people's knees.
I'm glad you made this video because this is a prime example of how narratives ruin the game. I've long believed Steph should not only have one but two Finals MVPs but got robbed because of the narrative he "under performed".
Finally a good video LOW. Thank you
Well done sir. Did you happen to notice how it took time for the warriors to adjust to the officiating? Basically lebron was the league's icon and they were trying hard to get him that ring.
Do you have one on the next year, with the phantom foul calls on the warriors contrasted to what the Cavs were allowed. I understand the league won't leave the money to complete chance but that fix was bad showmanship by the league. Same as that year's Superbowl. The refs needed to learn to cheat more entertainingly.
Good job putting some light on curry I was defending him for years and I’m not even a curry fan
Wow. That Delly thing just pissed me off 😂
Honestly think he should’ve won the 2018 FMVP, he had a bad Game 3, but KD had a bad Game 1, so that argument KD was more consistent is thrown out the window. Curry should’ve had two FMVPs and hopefully this year he gets one.
i mean 26 isn't bad by KD's standards, but curry losing it to KD also utterly disappointed me
I swear to God if GS wins and Wiggins gets FMVP over Curry
That's basically what happened in 2015 basically
@@TheGibsond10 not even close but Curry cemented his finals mvp with his game 4 performance just like Iggy did with his. Thats assuming they win.
Even if Wiggins plays like Michael Jordan in the next games and Steph having low scoring games, I'd still give Curry the trophy. That's a big IF the Warriors win
Best NBA RUclipsr! :)
W video like always
I hate every time they give someone MVP for playing defense on someone else. That's BS.
Like come on! Look at LeBron's stat line for that series 1:08. You really saying give it to Iggy for defending that???
This was the only Dubs Championship that I watched every single game of because I wasn't a full time worker yet. I still remember being so delighted with winning the whole thing that I didn't pay too much mind to Iggy winning FMVP, other than a raised eyebrow. Curry was electric and will always be our MVP because even if he's not shooting great, his gravity, like you said, can still get us free points from the role players.
Great content beautifully researched and presented. Masterful video. Got a new sub outta me!
This video is the definition of bringing recites
I really though that this was a unanimous decision like his mvp season
simple explanation why curry was not awarded. FINALS MVP IS OWNED BY NIKE! in 2015 Curry shoes and UA almost took Nike down. Billions of dollars was lost by Nike due to CURRY's popularity because it was the beginning of basketball revolution in 3 point line. Curry changed the game. Lebron's game is not new. Power dunks and 1 man domination was done before and maybe better by kemp, malone, barkley, and many others.
LOW is the goat of basketball youtube.
Steph really should have 3 because he should have won in 2015, but he should have won 1 of those KD years as he outplayed KD in 3 if 4 games but the series numbers were skewed because in one game KD had 44 & steph had 7. So the numbers were alot closer then they should have been.
LOW is really a W analyst. Mans really keep it fair for all players in the league and stay unbiased....i been saying for years that Iggy (who i been a fan of since Philly) didnt really "shut lebron down"
Steph balled out in the last 3 games. He hit some clutch shots also so idk why he didn’t win it
Steph really should be a 3-time Finals MVP.
Thank God someone made a video about this. LeBron should have won it but there’s a precedent of winning teams winning the award, which I agree with. Buddy got robbed of an accolade that would undoubtedly put him top 5 all time when he’s done.
1 FMVP doesn't make Steph top 5 🤦♂️🤦♂️ he's still so far behind Tim Duncan it's not even funny and Duncan is around 7th for most people
Top 5? Idk about that.
@@RecapRico you're wrong. It's not about him having 1 finals MVP, its about how it looks on his resume when his career is all said and done. If he wins the title this year and finals mvp, then looking back he could've possibly been a 4 time champ with 2 finals MVPs which would arguably put him right there or above a guy like Duncan or Shaq. Even with just the 1 finals MVP he has a case tho.
You tweaking cause the argument right now is whether Steph should be in the top 10.
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Great video .. It had to be said and u finally said it
Was talking a dude the other day and that man had the nerve to say Trevor Ariza deserved FMVP over kobe
Putting in the work
14:04
Lebron generating even a below average with the teammates he did is a testament to how good he was in this series.
Lebron's starting 5:
J.R Smith: 0.312% from the field and 0.294 from 2
Matthew Dellavedova: 0.283 and 0.231
Iman Shumpert: 0.256 and 0.320
James Jones: 0.316 and 0.308
Lebron's teammates when he wasn't on the floor went 6/35 for a 17,1 FG%.
If Lebron's teammates shoot even below average in this series the Cavs would've generated a good enough offense to win the series, but instead they shot historically bad and lost the series for Lebron.
Lebron also led all players in ppg, rpg, apg and most advanced statistical categories outside of shooting metrics.
And all that doesn't mean shit because it didn't amount to a win.
@@RulingClassMentality So? He was still easily the best player in the series.
Good content! I subscribed. Will be back once curry wins fmvp and his 4th title. God bless
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