Deer Vision: How it Works (Picking the Right Camo)
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2022
- Do you know how deer see? Deer vision is something that has been scientifically researched for many, many years. Top universities from across the country have put together some key information to better understand how the deer families vision works. Deer, elk, moose all have relatively the same type of vision. As a deer hunter, it is important for you to use this deer vision information to make yourself a smarter consumer when it comes to buying hunting camo, and a better deer hunter!
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Let me save you some money. It absolutely does not matter what you wear. Deer see movement. So when you are hunting, it is the 1st that moves that loses. (Picking the right camo) is just for your buddies. I won a $500 bet by dressing up like a clown for camo 1 year. I shot a 9 point with a 22 inch spread. Bottom line is, wear whatever you have. Put your money into your equipment. Wear cloths that work for the weather. Most important: ENJOY YOUR HUNT!!!
I concur, I have stalked and hunted and photographed deer and Elk for over 50 years.
I have tried every color combination imaginable and if I don't move they don't see me.
Further, if a deer is ground feeding and I only move very slowly when their head is down I can usually get within 20-50 feet from them.
Whatever you do, NEVER wear camo during rifle seasons. Other hunters may not see you when game runs between you and them.
I always wear blaze orange clothing when hunting and the game isn't affected.
Save money and buy ammo for practice.
Definitely. I break up my face and outline, but most importantly don't move. This also works on dogs, people, etc., not just deer.
I had a buck walk by me a 30 yards this year i never moved it never saw me. I did have my face covered with a neck warmer though.
@@dusty1498 That is such a cool feeling when deer come in and do not detect you. Lets you know you are doing things right.
He did look at me for a quick second with a deer in the headlights look I guess my shape gave me away as i was sitting on the ground against a fence post but when i never moved he continued on unconcerned with me.
Years ago my sister in law's husband got a deer that literally walked up to him and nudged him in the back. He was wearing a brown Carhart coat, blue jeans and mud boots. But he knew how to sit still. After the deer moved away about 20 feet, he took the shot and brought home the venison. As respondents say down below, movement is really the key, and, don't wear aftershave...lol
I hunt in camo but I've also hunted and shot deer in blue jeans a lot of times if you got the right cover and they don't smell you you will be successful in your hunt a good luck every one on the remainder of deer season
Grandpa hunted in a red flannel coat and blue jeans. Sitting still is the best camo
As a red green colorblind, let me tell you I can see an orange vest from pretty effin far, can't even imagine an animal that thinks everything is out to eat it.
100%!!!
You’re likely a protanomalous trichromat which is different from a protanope in which deer belong. With your vision, you still have all of the three types of cones associated with color vision. These include L cones (red), M cones (green), and S cones (blue). In a protanomalous trichromat you have them all, but the spectrum is shifted so you see color differently. In a protanope, there are no L cones and therefore there are no receptors to detect colors near the red spectrum. Sorry for the long winded explanation lol. Hope it helps!
Movement or the non- movement, IMO is just important as any camouflage you can get. I’ve never keep count on how many I’ve killed,But safe to say at least 100+ my first kill I had on a solid blue shirt on.
Agreed, they usually can’t identify you until you move or they smell you
I have been archery hunting Whitetail in the Northeast for 40 + years, have killed many, many deer (on public and private land) from tree stands as well as the ground. I've had a few kills as close as 3 yards. 2020 I arrowed and 140 inch 8 point with a 30 year old Bear bow, wearing blue jeans, sneakers and a grey tee shirt from a tree stand, the deer was at 4 yards, never knew what hit it...it came in from up wind. IMO, the deer's ability to see movement and their sense of smell (pay attention to the wind!) will get a hunter busted far more often that any camo color, or pattern. No knocks on wearing camo, anything we can use to get an edge I'm good with, however spending hundreds of $ and thinking it's an end -all -be -all is theme I can't buy into. Maybe I'm an old biased fart, but I just don't enjoy the commercialization of hunting. Now spend thousands on a bow and camo and get into the woods!
LMAO Ahhhhhh people kill me......
I just use old army camo. It works, I'm not a great hunter but I do usually bag my limit when time allows. Just hold still, hunt the wind, and be patient. Native Americans didn't need camo...
Excellent video!
Walmart brown pants and camo shirts worked well on our three successful hunts this year. Smell and movement matter way more than the pattern IMO.
Im an older guy now and started hunting at an early age before camouflage was a thing, jeans a flannel shirt , boots and a warm coat and hat was what we had and i still hunt that way . Ya know whats for dinner most nights wild game including deer 🦌
Exactly
I do believe that deer really see blue. I've never seen a deer when I wore blue. I wore a blue hoodie with the hood exposed over my coats for years. I thought I was a failure of a hunter having not seen a single deer the entire time. I read about not wearing blue. I routinely see deer every time I hunt now. Maybe it's coincidence. But I doubt it.
@@GFWoodchuck I wear blue a lot its not the color , its movement they see . Get out before its light and sit with out moving all day . your going to see deer if deer are in the area . Find fresh sign chewed acorns look for rub lines from a buck scrapes then you know deer are in the area camo is just a Scam it started with bow hunters hiding from other hunters , so they had the area to them self . first camo was ARMY green and brown in 1942 . in the 1980s Tree bark come out and UV wash lol its a scam to sell you things you do not need . I was a smoker 50 years I quit a year ago heart attack , I seen more deer smoking then if i was not smoking . Figure that one out . I light a small fire in late Nov and Dec and see more deer think with all the homes heating with wood has something to do with that ? Camo is a BIG lie its Movement .
@@GFWoodchuck I’ve hunted in blue jeans since I was 13 I’m 32 now and literally do not own any camo pattern clothes I bag deer and turkey and hogs every year
I agree to a point. When I was growing up you could throw a rock in any direction and hit a legal buck. Nowadays though with a massive decrease in deer population and a huge increase in hunters, it helps not to stick out like a sore thumb to a buck.
Awesome 💯😎👍 great video
Thanks for watching!
Some of the best camo I have hunted with didn’t look realistic. Actually my favorite was V
Original Tiger strip. It had wide patches of black with lighter colors around it. I hunt from the ground and I had deer with in feet of me that never saw me. Same with turkey and actually had the same effect on farmers. The thing was it had strong contrast with colors that somewhat matched normal colors in nature. So when looking for camouflage I avoid camouflage that uses pictures and prefer more generic camo. Another favorite was natural gear but I alway felt like it was too light in the contrast area
Tiger stripe is the most efficient camo ever, imo. The horizontal stripes break up your profile way more than the woods pattern camo. It blends in to anything. I bow hunt from ground and I do believe camo plays a big part when you hunt this way. I don’t shoot past 30 yards.
The whole thing's marketing hype camo don't mean squat it makes the hunters feel better I wear Carhartt bibs Gray coat sometimes a black coat
Thats how I hunt too . Camo is a joke .
One time my son came home from school in a white tank top and neon yellow shorts, grabbed his rifle and ran into the woods to his stand and shortly after, harvested a nice doe. My belief is that movement and smell are more important. Nowadays I have enclosed stands.
This is hilarious since I show my first deer with a bow, standing on the ground wearing blue jeans, a blue and black fleece jacket, red 4 wheeler gloves and a cowboy hat yeah it never saw me lol lol lol
I had a doe and two fawns come within a few feet of me.....I was wearing a hunter orange sweatshirt and I stayed perfectly still and they never knew I was there. So much for camo.
very cool
scent and sound and movement control matter 100% more than what pattern your wearing
I appreciate your introduction and your right deer seem to come out at night and we can't see them but they can awe I’s when your using Ghillie Suit your blend in to the surrounding or your in a blind or tree Stand not move a blind wear black clothes this way they won't see your silhouette
Deer are crepuscular an have very poor eyesight
Catching on to your patterns, always been a fan of open patterns. I am in the market for warm weather gear, what would you recommend from your lines for 70* and up? Thanks!
Not saying he's wrong and I know it was a different era but have you seen pictures of Fred Bear wearing camo. He just might have taken a feel animals in his day. I do feel that wearing a solid color coat or shirt can't help though. The UV spectrum I totally agree. Don't wash your clothes with a UV brightener. After I stopped that I shot a 10 pointer 2 years later and have seen more deer. But that's my observation. And it works for me.
I use a grey cowboy hat (breaks up my "head" outline), plaid jacket or shirt and military green pants. No problem. Cheap and effective.
Great proven scientific info ! Gonna give Veil camo a try . Thanks for sharing this info. Deo Vindice
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I appreciate it! If you are stuck trying to decide on what pattern to run, reach out and we will help.
Movement. They see movement. Camo doesn't matter if you are wearing a blaze orange vest that covers your entire torso, front and back
My kid took a picture of me in head to toe Realtree Camo... Even my Rifle and scope are wrapped. You could barely make me out from the brush behind me. All variables count in hunting. Blending in helps more than anything. Most camo works but when you're hunting the Biggest most cautious Bucks who have senses better than what you can ever imagine... The best camo to help me blend in with my surroundings is what I go for.
He's trying to explain that those patters and colors may work for OUR vision. But that deer see things way differently.
Gary, there are many camo's out there that work. But stick and leaf patterns that are common on the market that look good to OUR eyes do not always blend in for the DEERS eyes. Just something to remember.
@@hunterflanders-veilcamo2310 To each their own. I prefer HD patterns... Especially tree bark since I'm almost always against a tree. I have seen some artificial patterns that blend well with tree bark. A hunter's ability to have his or her movements not be seen trumps any camo pattern's effectiveness anyway. If you could come up with a pattern that dynamically masks my movement... Like a wearable holographic "something" .. That would be sweet lol.
Now take a picture in all your camo using night mode and see how bright you look in that camo...
Now this is top secret information. Don’t tell anyone. Go spend 120 bucks on a decent pop up blind. Wear whatever clothes you like. It’s not complicated. They catch movement. Good sales pitch tho!
Fascinating and informative, but I was hoping for more explicit guidance by region. I hunt in Northern Calif, Sierra/Trinity/Klamath woodland. Advice?
Lmao the stock footage in this is gold.
I like the video but it was just funny.
the hell, this is such a great video and only 400 subs????
have you done larger print on camo? with bigger dark marks and light marks so it brakes up the outline of the body. even though you are blending into your surroundings they pick up light way better then our eyes and if they are looking at you any light between you and your background you’ll be outlined/silhouetted once they start trying to cut their vision (shutter like pictures) when they start bobbing there head to to pick you out.
If they see well in reflected low light In the morning and evening. Safe to say they probably see well in a overcast rainy day?
I've been stalking deer since the 80s. I used to camo up, then about 2001-2002 I began to realize it's not really necessary. Now I just hunt in jeans and a gray smok or tee. See them before they see you.
It all boils down to who sees who move 1st
I’ve had deer watch see me from over 200 + yrds away, in open fields, wearing camo and st clothes
Don’t move when they come in, you will never be seen, I’ve gotten quite a few over the yrs 7 yrds and in
Sit still,simple( ASAT- last 20+ yrs)
I'm no scientist but I assure you that deer vision is better then you think lol 🤣
A bit out of focus but good
Deer vision is not bad, they just have adapted to pick up on or be alerted to certain shapes and colors that are not "normal" to them. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Any info on UV brighteners?
I'd put on all this camo so I'm invisible to deer, then I put in a blaze orange vest and hat to rifle hunt in PA and still somehow can stay hidden from deer. Weird
Pretty good. The sloppy part was showing a graphic of 280 degree field of vision, yet you kept saying 300 degrees. How about another video where you show traditional cameo next to yours in "deer vision"? Thanks
Honestly most important thing is to be still . I killed a nice 10 point wearing blue jeans and a burgandy thermal sitting in a wide open tripod this year
Whats the best camo for infantry ?
i love my Veil camo for white tail that was on my Gander Mountain Guide Series. Shame GM shifted their business away form sporting goods and disco their Guide Series Veil camo clothing.
I have had both human and animal pass by at less than 10 feet distance while wearing pretty basic camo clothing and not even trying to "conceal" skin, weapon, etc. As stated in this video, it is all about breaking up your pattern compared to the background with mearly similar colors. Then, DON'T MOVE if you think they are looking at you.
Movement is huge! Breaking up your silhouette and outline is the biggest role in camo. But at the end of the day its all for nothing if you keep moving!
I once had a women's dog barking me from about 15-20 yards while she yelled at her husband that something was there but she couldn't see me. I was in Camo butt my jacket was wide open showing my bright red shirt underneath. If I had moved, busted.
Camo really does matter much less than one would expect. Ive been in several scenarios that changed the way I think about it. Once was before I could afford all the bells and whistles and was on the way to the stand on a wet day where you cant hear shit and had 3 does move in about 10 feet from me. I froze standing in a wide open patch. They saw me but they just couldnt figure me out. They moved a little closer locked on to me then after a bit of time and curious looks they slowly went on about their business continuing to look back at me. They knew something odd was there but didnt know what exactly and didnt spook. Another time taught me that eye contact will give you away. I was in a stand years later covered in camo with a stand covered with camo cloth. had several deer come in probaby 20 yards away. As I started to move my rifle they looked up as I froze. They kept an eye on me for a while but never got alarmed. Right up until I still frozen made eye contact with one then like a dog she cocked her head to the side blew at me and they took off. So personally I think its all about movement and I do believe they can make out the eyes even when thats the only thing showing.
William, I would agree 100% that movement is a huge variable when it comes to being hidden. I do think that eye contact and movement does also play a part. There are just times when you are thinking "they have to see my eyes!"
How good are those 3D camo clothes? They break up your figure, but against a deer vision, do they offer any real benefits? Of course the breaking up the figure helps.
Does it mean that since in a way they have a natural night vision that it would be in your interest as a company to incorporate IRR compliant dyes in your camo patterns?
Eric, we do incorporate special dyes into our camo to work against this UV vision that is on their vision spectrum, it also comes into play at early and late times of the day when we are hunting.
Not going to talk about ultra violets and how smooth material doesn't absorb it ?
That's a great point, maybe in the next video!
Any a-tacs works really well and you can get it for really cheap if you buy it in "airsoft gear"
He forgot to mention one study that is never mentioned anymore. Deer see an ultraviolet that humans can't. This comes off of synthetic fibers which is used in most camo. Natural wool doesn't give off the ultraviolet therefore harder for deer to see. This study disappeared about the time certain camo company became big. Great grampa wore checkered wool in the north. Many pictures show this and they were successful.
⛔️ Hi Joe, ⚠️ I had always heard that dogs and other animals were ‘color blind.’ I can Honestly Say, I had two Yorkie Dogs that went crazy when Mom got home from her Nurse job. They would lay in the window as cars occasionally went by. The only time they would get excited was when a ‘RED’ Car would go by which was the color of my wife’s car. This tells me they can determine some colors.
Hey John, they can absolutely determine that it's a different shade of color, but it's a matter of how the color appears to them. Thank you for watching and commenting!
You are totally right!
We should replace the term camouflage with concealment.
My grandfather never failed to bag a deer all he wore was usually a flannel jacket and jeans....mean while I have several hundred in camouflage and have now been without a deer. For 3 years. 😞
Any camo for coyote hunters???
I've always worn a green/brown tartan ( plaid) shirt..
Large pattern Woodland; 32 years Adirondack hunting!
Why I wear ASAT
Asat works for me
I’ve shot deer wearing a purple Minnesota Vikings sweater. Honestly as long as you’re as still as possible and very quiet, deer aren’t smart enough to pick you out of a tree stand.
Fred bear said sit still be quiet and hunt camo is a luxury it ain't necessary
At 71 today and hunting since 1959.
Never hunted in camouflage, never went hungry and the deer keep coming. BTW… I don’t bate either.
KNOW your enemy as you know yourself and you will win all the battles. Sun Tzu , The Art of War.
Just dress up like a speeding car, they'll never see you and will probably run right into you.
That fine but in
PA we gave to were fn orange 🍊
I want my camo to hide me from humans during bow season on public land. I could care less about what the deer sees because where I hunt, they Are not seeing me until they are already in bow range.
Now hearing and smelling me... That is what makes having deer in bow range hard.
Hearing is especially a problem when walking in. Make quiet clothes a priority.
I always say the hardest part of hunting is getting to the stand lol
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Yeah I'd tend to agree. There are Alot of mistakes that can be made with stand location and how much you move, your silhouette, etc...
I have been doing more still hunting then sitting in the stand this year. Mostly still hunting around bedding areas... Quiet is extremely important
I wear blue jeans and dark blue lite jacket when I go hunting. If you move they will see you but if you don't move they won't see you.
I shot my last buck from the ground, while walking, while still wearing my black scrubs from my day's work and my normal heavy black work shoes.
I had two mature doe walk right up on me while I was ground hunting (no blind) last weekend in mossy oak 45$ outfit. Get your smell right and stay still friends
Lol, I've never worn camo!
Me either an kill blacktail every year. Hardest animal on the planet to harvest.
Friends, there is no substitute for skill and experience in the field. But just as more advanced bows, rifles, and equipment boost our abilities to have a more successful hunt, camo can do the same. Camo has the potential to get you closer, and keep you hidden in more critical situations. I've designed for that very situation for over a decade. We at Veil wanted to share a primer on the depth of deer family vision knowledge we use every day to help you understand what will work and why, regardless of what camo company you want to run. Thanks for all the comments! If you have specific questions about any of this... let em rip!
@@philstrosnider9734 Thanks Phil, solid feedback. We will definitely shoot for this in a follow up video!!
All deer can see blaze orange.
And that is a fact.
Great argument Tubby; You shoulda been a lawyer. LOL
I guess the deer have developed better vision since I was a kid. Jean jacket, jeans and a red shirt worked just fine. Be still and quiet. That’s all
I have worn grey work coveralls and shot deer. Personally I think camo works better on people than on deer, but it is a multi million dollar industry. All you really need to do is limit your movement
I wear orange vest and hat and smoke cigars. They come out in front or walk right by. Stay still be quiet.
camo is just a marketing ploy now. I mean my grandfathers and all the rest wore flannel jackets with pants and boots and still killed deer all the while smoking cigs.
Just as your grandfathers probably would've used the information available at the time and reasoned that it was not a good idea to be smoking had they known cigarettes were killing them, knowing that hiding behind a tree would indeed "camouflage" them, they probably would have reasoned just as the comments to this post bear out, that spooking deer is highly circumstantial, but if all things were equal, dressing like a tree LIMB would increase their chances of keeping the deer from differentiating them from their surroundings.
i never focus too much on camo anything, get high, stay still, and dont let them smell you...if the smell you game over, if they see you, can maybe slide, but if you want to spend tons of $$$$ on this stuff, knock yourself out
I never understood why someone would play music while teaching a subject
Best Camo I've found is not moving, doesn't really matter what you're wearing as long as you're still. Get busted moving and game over.
Won't stop me forswearing Camo though. Now if you come up with a pattern that will fool humans I'm all in.
No one really knows how deer see just best guesses
My grandad and dad hunt in reg clothes and get big deer every year lol while smoking
How about no mater what color you wear if your sitting still with out moving they have no clue your there unless they smell you . 3:20 you nailed it yourself lol Great sale pitch for your Camo .
Basic army OCP is the best camo all other camo is trash and is just a sales pitch by the hunting gear industry to hustle you into buying overpriced camo. Go to an army surplus store and get cheap faded FRACU OCP camo that stuff blends with any environment. desert, woodland and arctic. I would leave my rucksack unattended in the field when I was in the Army and would come back and have a hard time finding it just laying in the grass. That's how good that camo is
I hit the skip add button as soon as it pops up. No way I'm watching an 8:24 min add. Nor am I buying it....
Lol. My father brought home the meat, deer, elk, caribou, he did not own camo. Blue jeans and a camel cigarette in his mouth.
I wear it more to hide from people. Movement is the killer with deer. I have been busted by taking my hands out of my pocket 25' up.
Mixing facts with BS, but hey, you got to sell your product. Who knew that Mossy Oak and Realtree never based their camo patterns on scientific studies? Weird that they work exceptionally well for me and thousands of other bow hunters.
I’m gonna save y’all about 600 bucks in gear don’t wear blue and have good backing to break your silhouette that simple
Seems like a bunch of bots in the comments
I wear a hat with orange antlers because there color blind 😉
Pointless? Umm not in my opinion. Considering I know people who've been shot at while in blaze orange head to toe. Where I hunt, it's better to have the HD Camo than not because assholes think it's funny to take pot shots at you.
You do not need camo deer have terrible eye sight. They rely almost entirely on hearing.
They pick up movement in their peripheral sight unbelievably
Figure I had a trick that nose then you're in the money..
Don't move and don't be upright they won't see you. That's the truth. Or listen to the guy selling you something either way I don't care.
So, you've never been sitting perfectly still and had a deer bobbing its head and looking right at you?
@@partner348 yes I have but I don't move and they relax an I shoot them. Remember your grandpa wore plaid
Camo is a marketing gimmick to hook hunters.........
Yet another camo company... cut me a break.
Only the weak and handicapped use iron to kill and harm!
How dose woodland camo and multi camo work on animals