It works amazingly with esiemo. his whole thing is tech and youll have it up at max stacks all the time. ive got it maxxed out and leveled up and with esiemo im pumping out massive burst dps on collosi and in hard mode content. the gun itself is great for weakpoints and single targets. it does not keep the buffs when using lepic's ultimate weapon but for mobbing, it works amazing with a cooldown lepic and grenade spam.
He said it himself that Non-automatic weapons got the option to change to automatic in the settings. SpS needs the trigger to be held pulled, and the Secret garden is naturally a Semi auto gun. it doesnt work.
Which is weird because AFAIK there are not any automatic special and high impact weapons in the game (beam rifle maybe since you can hold down the fire button?). So makes me think it's just kinda a bug or overlooked/broken interaction.
This gun is severely underrated. It was before the buff, the buff sent this thing into the sky, EASILY top 5 weapons in the game. I maxed this puppy out within 3 days, the farm isn't half bad! Especially compared to e.g. Enduring Legacy. Especially for characters like Ajax and Lepic... i love this gun. 50% ATK and Skill Power is just nuts. I also use this gun as a Assault-rifle replacement, as all the other Assault Rifles in the game either lack the damage or are an uncontrollable mess on controller.
WRT to ARs I generally agree as a fellow console player but action and reaction with no compensating mods to counter the recoil exacerbates the poor handling feels.
ima give this a shot in my backpocket for when i really need to maximize dps, but gregs is just so fun to watch, fun over tryharding atm since every content is pretty easy.
If I want to use this on Valby would it be worth? Right now i don't care what to farm lol I have a maxed TC, maxed bunny. I am working on both Valby/Gley. I have Greg's sitting on its 3rd copy and I just dropped SG last night. If I were to focus on Valby should I go for SG or Greg's? If I were to focus on Gley I guess I would just use TC and farm a Python eventually. I'm just trying to find a solid option to work well with Valby's debuffs or are we just still running Enduring Legacy on her?
soooo, how is it great for ajax or how is it made for him? the special resource is 10% gain, so it does not change how many skills are needed to be used before you get enhanced skills. you are not the first i have heard say it is great for ajax, but i don't see it being any more special on him then it is for anyone else. the 2nd ability, pest control does not help lepic or freyna at all either.
I would like to use it, if only I gotten the pieces for it, you would think I’ve gotten atleast one or two pieces farming for ult ajax pieces (seriously them 6% is annoying) but nope. Maybe after I get ult ajax.
I run Gregs, TC and SG. Gotta get Acts for the Gregs and SG but even without any Cats/Acts they're still solid weapons. The Gregs is level 2 with 3rd cooking and i just need the Nano for the 2nd SG but have enough to get to the 3rd if Rngeus is on my side. Lol
Greg's better BUT..this weapon have potential with Viessa spamming 4th abilitiy + fryena all her damging abilities are tech With fryena you can get full stacks before using 4th ability for huge damge.
How do you say Greg's is better The Greggs require four copies to be able to get the 20%, the bombardment scaling with crit is clearly not intended and probably going to be changed. Can you get significantly more reliable damage from other weapons than relying on a bombardment that could in theory proc and if you look at almost any video that you may have watched about The Greggs they very clearly fight things with big bodies and don't move a lot
@@FervorGaming Thunder Cage does the same thing when it comes to the explosion damage (crit and wp damage effects it) so explain that. Thats after the fix to the explosion bug so you saying its a "bug" is clearly wrong. Maybe don't assume its glitched until the devs confirm its a bug.
Half of the people won’t be around in 6 months solely because of the grind needed to get what you want. 10yrs on the frame so I’ve grinded everything into the ground solo. Just waiting on trading😁😁😁
@@adrianmedina3508yeah it is, people trade for relics and parts for weapons and frames that aren’t currently available to earn in game I made like 50 bucks worth of in game currency off of Rhino Prime alone after he was taken out of rotation. This game also has rotations I believe
i have a potentially dumb question - when it says that it stacks for instance skill power by 5% for up to 3 stacks, that would be an additional 15% skill power, yes? BUT are we then multiplying that into our skill power overall? So itd be like .. idk my skill power is 18759.39 would i then multiply 0.15 into that equation as the added bonus?
Well first off I'm going to Ajax player and so he has both of the elements used to trigger the passive of this weapon so that's really big. But I've also never tested the Divine punishment so for me I prefer The Secret Garden plus it's a crit monster
I would ditch the electric enhancement and add something to reduce the recoil intsead. Having Action and Reaction on a build without incorporating recoil reduction makes for a weapon that misses a lot of shots and wastes a lot of ammo. I add recoil reduction and accuracy mods to all of my weapons. They feel great to use and everything dies. Otherwise, there are some good ideas here.
Well it does let you see what you are shooting at and grges turns the boss into a a mass of meteor spam for you and your party. So there is that. Shoots better out if the gate. Better single target weapon IMO especially if you plan to leverage its buff.
Gregs reversed is just better much preferred than secret garden easyier to farm plus it might not do as much single target damage than the secret garden but its pretty close id much rather take a little bit less single target damage for more aoe and close to the same single damage that the secret garden is just not worth it for me ive tested both and itll take you about 8 seconds more with the gregs reversed fate to kill hard mode devourer but if you want to grind fast gregs reversed fate hands down best gun for farming and clearing out missions as fast as possible thats where most of your time is going to be anyway
I mean if you want mastery rank just pick up 1 copy and be done with it until there's a boss that actually needs single target damage weapon just keep it stored
Still trying to get the blueprint, not an easy weapon to obtain at all. Done so many runs for the blueprint but still not dropped. So switched to the gregs fate as easier to aquire!
I've seen The Greggs it looks like a mobbing weapon. That a lot of big creators are trying to force into being a bossing weapon because it has a lot of flash on the screen
@@FervorGaming Id say its horrible for mobbing due to the impact delay but with colossus being chonky and more likely to eat the entire barrage at max unique level it can proc 20% every single hit bullet hit which tbh is kind of ridiculous and something I dont think is intended.
@jewelplate that could be the case. The thing is with me I don't really like to invest in weapons when they are not used for multiple characters and from what I've seen of that weapon so far they're almost only used on gley. Which I don't like investing into one weapon when it's only usable or mainly used on one descendant
Hi, you should try farming reactors, the most difficult one on percentage is the nanotube and is easy to farm with outpost and reactor. But you need to have Sharen tho. I concentrate on that today and in a couple of hours I had 3 secret gardens to build
What’s the logic in saying that showing how the weapon works in the laboratory isn’t good? I learn more about a weapon and it’s capabilities in the lab than I do against an intercept boss. That’s a weird claim to Make. And yeah using an Enzo buff does change the true value of a weapon.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory and obvious why standing in the middle of the Arena where nothing fights back nothing shoots back at you and you have the ability to perfectly control the way they fight goes is a bad way to test weapons In a perfect situation where a recall doesn't matter where magazine doesn't matter and pretty much every other thing doesn't matter of course your weapon is going to be amazing. But the game isn't played in a perfect situation therefore when you have these creators who just sit inside of a room and shoot at a bus with unrealistic mods on weapons that very clearly wouldn't work any practical fighting situation it becomes inaccurate and bad content that's why
Sharp precision only works on guns that have auto fire. Single shot / burst shot as BASE do NOT work as you have to be consistently firing to trigger that mod effect. The moment you stop shooting the perk is gone and not a Glitch that many people are trying to say lol.
I've never tested Greg's and I haven't seen a Creator actually test that weapon. I've seen them say is good but I've never seen them test it so it's hard to really say. I'll be testing it in the near future but sadly I don't have an answer for you outside of I really think this weapons worth building
@@FervorGaming Ive done a whole lot of math and came to the conclusion that Greg's is confirmed higher DPS by like 15% while also having more room to improve with Enzo/Valby buffs than Secret Garden does. And also the math was being very generous with the Secret Garden by assuming it had 100% Weakpoint hits 100% of the time with 100% upkeep of its unique ability buffs and Greg even if it were to miss some shots would still outdamage by quite a bit.
@@iAmTrash Are you factoring in the buff that it gives for both skill power and firearm attack.? Seems liek you're tlaking form a full shooting standpoint which obviously the weapon bring more to the table then just shooting like the greg does
@@FervorGaming It was calculated purely from a shooting standpoint. Taking skill usage and damage into consideration would be more complex, I also figured that in order to maintain peak dage for Secret Garden for long periods of time it would be realistically impossible to do so while Greg can easily maintain its peak damage, realistically the damage in real usage would be closer to 30-40% more in favor of Greg. Also I haven't seen any skill capable of doing better sustained damage than just Enzo + Greg can achieve.
@@iAmTrash Here's the issue with many of the "test" they are usually shooting at still targets and considering gregs have delayed falling projectiles with and you're not using parts of the skills for the secrect garden in your testing. To me this is just poor testing
Too bad Secret Garden is a PITA to get. 10% drop chance for the Nanotube is soul crushing. Grind Materials with 25% chance to drop, then grind shards to run the reactor, then hope you get the 10% drop. 🤡🔫
Wow here we go again!!!!!!! Now watch it get nerfed...AND it's not specifically just for ajax..and thats on your nose and sinuses being cleared up...ITS for supadupa Kyle too!!! If anything I think some if you streamers are ruining the game with you opinions and false info...Again...go back to D2/Warframe with that madness..
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Hey man does secret garden give custom resources without killing mobs? But by just firing at boss?
It works amazingly with esiemo. his whole thing is tech and youll have it up at max stacks all the time. ive got it maxxed out and leveled up and with esiemo im pumping out massive burst dps on collosi and in hard mode content. the gun itself is great for weakpoints and single targets. it does not keep the buffs when using lepic's ultimate weapon but for mobbing, it works amazing with a cooldown lepic and grenade spam.
Need buy his skin and paint all pink for match the weapon, not recommended
Doesn't Worl with lepic ? 😢
SPS doesn’t work because it’s not an automatic weapon, requiring multiple trigger pulls (even with the setting turned on).
He said it himself that Non-automatic weapons got the option to change to automatic in the settings. SpS needs the trigger to be held pulled, and the Secret garden is naturally a Semi auto gun. it doesnt work.
Which is weird because AFAIK there are not any automatic special and high impact weapons in the game (beam rifle maybe since you can hold down the fire button?).
So makes me think it's just kinda a bug or overlooked/broken interaction.
The option to hold down button to fire semi auto and burst weapons is the best thing in this game, they become better ARs with better precision.
This gun is severely underrated.
It was before the buff, the buff sent this thing into the sky, EASILY top 5 weapons in the game.
I maxed this puppy out within 3 days, the farm isn't half bad! Especially compared to e.g. Enduring Legacy.
Especially for characters like Ajax and Lepic... i love this gun.
50% ATK and Skill Power is just nuts.
I also use this gun as a Assault-rifle replacement, as all the other Assault Rifles in the game either lack the damage or are an uncontrollable mess on controller.
WRT to ARs I generally agree as a fellow console player but action and reaction with no compensating mods to counter the recoil exacerbates the poor handling feels.
@@grumpyoldman6503 yep. i actually skip it for some guns. i take 20% less dmg for actually being able to hit my shots
So does this gun give custom resources regularly? I want to use on gley.
Tc - garden - afterglow is my staple from tue het go.
ima give this a shot in my backpocket for when i really need to maximize dps, but gregs is just so fun to watch, fun over tryharding atm since every content is pretty easy.
I got this gun & Kyle unlocked just yesterday & I’m blown away how good this gun is
its honestly a amazing gun!
@@FervorGaming roger that
If I want to use this on Valby would it be worth? Right now i don't care what to farm lol
I have a maxed TC, maxed bunny. I am working on both Valby/Gley.
I have Greg's sitting on its 3rd copy and I just dropped SG last night.
If I were to focus on Valby should I go for SG or Greg's?
If I were to focus on Gley I guess I would just use TC and farm a Python eventually.
I'm just trying to find a solid option to work well with Valby's debuffs or are we just still running Enduring Legacy on her?
soooo, how is it great for ajax or how is it made for him? the special resource is 10% gain, so it does not change how many skills are needed to be used before you get enhanced skills.
you are not the first i have heard say it is great for ajax, but i don't see it being any more special on him then it is for anyone else. the 2nd ability, pest control does not help lepic or freyna at all either.
I would like to use it, if only I gotten the pieces for it, you would think I’ve gotten atleast one or two pieces farming for ult ajax pieces (seriously them 6% is annoying) but nope. Maybe after I get ult ajax.
Ayo! I was just watching your Ajax vid from like 2 weeks ago and then boom! This showed up
im cooking a HUGE Ajax video you're gonna love!
I run Gregs, TC and SG. Gotta get Acts for the Gregs and SG but even without any Cats/Acts they're still solid weapons. The Gregs is level 2 with 3rd cooking and i just need the Nano for the 2nd SG but have enough to get to the 3rd if Rngeus is on my side. Lol
Greg's better BUT..this weapon have potential with Viessa spamming 4th abilitiy + fryena all her damging abilities are tech
With fryena you can get full stacks before using 4th ability for huge damge.
How do you say Greg's is better The Greggs require four copies to be able to get the 20%, the bombardment scaling with crit is clearly not intended and probably going to be changed. Can you get significantly more reliable damage from other weapons than relying on a bombardment that could in theory proc and if you look at almost any video that you may have watched about The Greggs they very clearly fight things with big bodies and don't move a lot
@@FervorGaming Thunder Cage does the same thing when it comes to the explosion damage (crit and wp damage effects it) so explain that. Thats after the fix to the explosion bug so you saying its a "bug" is clearly wrong. Maybe don't assume its glitched until the devs confirm its a bug.
Half of the people won’t be around in 6 months solely because of the grind needed to get what you want. 10yrs on the frame so I’ve grinded everything into the ground solo. Just waiting on trading😁😁😁
I want to know what to trade ? Warframe trading is there cause of rotation, and i think this game doesn't have rotation yet.
@@gferd wth are you talking about warframe market is not about rotation😂😂😂
Grind game with trade lazy people with money = market not hard
@@adrianmedina3508yeah it is, people trade for relics and parts for weapons and frames that aren’t currently available to earn in game I made like 50 bucks worth of in game currency off of Rhino Prime alone after he was taken out of rotation. This game also has rotations I believe
10yrs on the frame everyone, back the fk up!
I'm have this qeapon today myself, so I shall see how I like it. I love my EL
i have a potentially dumb question - when it says that it stacks for instance skill power by 5% for up to 3 stacks, that would be an additional 15% skill power, yes? BUT are we then multiplying that into our skill power overall? So itd be like .. idk my skill power is 18759.39 would i then multiply 0.15 into that equation as the added bonus?
Gley will stick to python, coz unique ability doesnt carry with massacre.
FYI, secret garden does not give ULT lepics 4 ability more skill power with Pest Control... for some reason it doesn't work
So many weapon to lvl up,
Which one yall prefer, the divine punishment or secret garden ?
Secret Garden is definitely the stronger choice. Divine Punishment could use a buff tbh
Well first off I'm going to Ajax player and so he has both of the elements used to trigger the passive of this weapon so that's really big. But I've also never tested the Divine punishment so for me I prefer The Secret Garden plus it's a crit monster
I'm thinking about using this weapon as my stat stick for Gley. Any advice? I know everyone is going TC and Python
do you think this gun would be good on blair?
Sharp precision won’t work with that setting on, interesting it doesn’t work when it’s off
How are you guys leveling up I've been trying to grind it for 2 days and still haven't gotten one
I would ditch the electric enhancement and add something to reduce the recoil intsead. Having Action and Reaction on a build without incorporating recoil reduction makes for a weapon that misses a lot of shots and wastes a lot of ammo. I add recoil reduction and accuracy mods to all of my weapons. They feel great to use and everything dies. Otherwise, there are some good ideas here.
Agree
Designed for just Ajax? It's designed for dimension characters, its good on Kyle and other characters as well.
is this better at bossing than a gregs? i havnt got either and im farming a lepic reactor so i wanna know which to spec into
I’d stick with GRF for Lepic bc fire.
Well it does let you see what you are shooting at and grges turns the boss into a a mass of meteor spam for you and your party.
So there is that.
Shoots better out if the gate.
Better single target weapon IMO especially if you plan to leverage its buff.
Ive been abusing it since the update. About time someone made a video on it.
It's honestly a beast I think this is going to be one of those weapons you see a lot of soon
@@FervorGaming Is this better than enduring legacy overall or ?
@@HitmanQC95 no this is just an alternative option you have three weapon slots you should try to fill them
@@FervorGaming You are right although for most content I just put random weapons for mastery levels these days.
Cool preview
Gregs reversed is just better much preferred than secret garden easyier to farm plus it might not do as much single target damage than the secret garden but its pretty close id much rather take a little bit less single target damage for more aoe and close to the same single damage that the secret garden is just not worth it for me ive tested both and itll take you about 8 seconds more with the gregs reversed fate to kill hard mode devourer but if you want to grind fast gregs reversed fate hands down best gun for farming and clearing out missions as fast as possible thats where most of your time is going to be anyway
I mean if you want mastery rank just pick up 1 copy and be done with it until there's a boss that actually needs single target damage weapon just keep it stored
Greg's fate baby
They're not close on single target.
Greg's is the new Chad.
Lol no if you want aoe weapon you have thunder cage is better than greg and his perk have 100% so greg is useless for aoe
After watching several weapon videos it all comes to one thing: Add Crit Mods and you are all set to blast away all bosses
It depends on the weapon but for the most part yeah
BIGGGGGG SECRET GARDEN MY NEXT WEAPON VIDEO 10/10!!!!!!
yeah its a beast of a weapon
can you do another ult weapon farming vid for this secret garden like the one you did for EL?
I released it like 2 hours ago
was planning to use it on lepic but it sucks that it can't use sharp precision shot mod.
its need better skin tho , its looks like and pvc pipe put together 😅
Awesome thanks for sharing this.
if a gun is semi or burst those other modes don't work with it.same with Gregs gun
Ayyyeee 🎉 love it!
Does it work on Luna. Her number 1 changes her gun. Not sure how it works.
Oh that's a good point but I haven't actually tested Luna
sharp precition shot only works on automatic weapons. this is a burst weapon
Why do you figure the mid exists for both special and high impact weapons then?
How do you re roll the weapon stats??
Next to the weapon person who sells them there's a little bench that lets you readjust the weapon stats
Still trying to get the blueprint, not an easy weapon to obtain at all. Done so many runs for the blueprint but still not dropped. So switched to the gregs fate as easier to aquire!
the material 055AA drops it easily
@@yucca7286 got two last night 😆
Funny after grinding for characters i have all the parts to make this without knowing it.
Stop with saying everything is broken that’s a huge turn off
Did it make your stiffy go away
Wait till you see what they have done to the Greg.. Someone over there played too much destiny and turned that shit into the GREGaton Lance
I've seen The Greggs it looks like a mobbing weapon. That a lot of big creators are trying to force into being a bossing weapon because it has a lot of flash on the screen
@@FervorGaming Id say its horrible for mobbing due to the impact delay but with colossus being chonky and more likely to eat the entire barrage at max unique level it can proc 20% every single hit bullet hit which tbh is kind of ridiculous and something I dont think is intended.
@jewelplate that could be the case. The thing is with me I don't really like to invest in weapons when they are not used for multiple characters and from what I've seen of that weapon so far they're almost only used on gley. Which I don't like investing into one weapon when it's only usable or mainly used on one descendant
And some people were complaining about the game not having lgbt content.
No one wants agenda in their games. They just want fun. This game has no agendas
@@kingcurmudgeon8685 well if you read the backstory of secret garden, it's pretty gay.
@@EcchiRevengelmfao
Trying to get the crafting parts for days now. Just insane how much grinding weapons cost..
Hi, you should try farming reactors, the most difficult one on percentage is the nanotube and is easy to farm with outpost and reactor. But you need to have Sharen tho. I concentrate on that today and in a couple of hours I had 3 secret gardens to build
@@oirakam tha ks for the tip, i will deff try it out. Is it possible without sharan?..
@@thomasgreinert5896some of the best amorphs are only available taken outposts w infiltration. Sharen only need 4 solid pieces, easy to get really
@@thomasgreinert5896just slower... a lot slower
Kyle is the GOAT
What’s the logic in saying that showing how the weapon works in the laboratory isn’t good? I learn more about a weapon and it’s capabilities in the lab than I do against an intercept boss. That’s a weird claim to
Make. And yeah using an Enzo buff does change the true value of a weapon.
I think it's pretty self-explanatory and obvious why standing in the middle of the Arena where nothing fights back nothing shoots back at you and you have the ability to perfectly control the way they fight goes is a bad way to test weapons
In a perfect situation where a recall doesn't matter where magazine doesn't matter and pretty much every other thing doesn't matter of course your weapon is going to be amazing. But the game isn't played in a perfect situation therefore when you have these creators who just sit inside of a room and shoot at a bus with unrealistic mods on weapons that very clearly wouldn't work any practical fighting situation it becomes inaccurate and bad content that's why
Good to see some other good ones other than the boring old TC really.
are shotgun any good ?
Shotgun is still useless
Shotguns are complete garbage
Sharp precision only works on guns that have auto fire. Single shot / burst shot as BASE do NOT work as you have to be consistently firing to trigger that mod effect. The moment you stop shooting the perk is gone and not a Glitch that many people are trying to say lol.
Lol put auto fire on #readpatchnotes lol
@@KickenMonsta sharp precision does not proc for your Secret garden weapon when you put that on LOL.
I wonder if it will buff lepic 4
I don't see why not
No Work with the lepic ultimate
It doesn’t work because lepic’s 4th is a 4th weapon.
Is secret garden or gregs reserved fate better???
I've never tested Greg's and I haven't seen a Creator actually test that weapon. I've seen them say is good but I've never seen them test it so it's hard to really say.
I'll be testing it in the near future but sadly I don't have an answer for you outside of I really think this weapons worth building
@@FervorGaming Ive done a whole lot of math and came to the conclusion that Greg's is confirmed higher DPS by like 15% while also having more room to improve with Enzo/Valby buffs than Secret Garden does. And also the math was being very generous with the Secret Garden by assuming it had 100% Weakpoint hits 100% of the time with 100% upkeep of its unique ability buffs and Greg even if it were to miss some shots would still outdamage by quite a bit.
@@iAmTrash Are you factoring in the buff that it gives for both skill power and firearm attack.? Seems liek you're tlaking form a full shooting standpoint which obviously the weapon bring more to the table then just shooting like the greg does
@@FervorGaming It was calculated purely from a shooting standpoint. Taking skill usage and damage into consideration would be more complex, I also figured that in order to maintain peak dage for Secret Garden for long periods of time it would be realistically impossible to do so while Greg can easily maintain its peak damage, realistically the damage in real usage would be closer to 30-40% more in favor of Greg. Also I haven't seen any skill capable of doing better sustained damage than just Enzo + Greg can achieve.
@@iAmTrash Here's the issue with many of the "test" they are usually shooting at still targets and considering gregs have delayed falling projectiles with and you're not using parts of the skills for the secrect garden in your testing. To me this is just poor testing
would be nice to see the damage numbers but with the show damage details setting turned on it's impossible...
Lets see a Smithereens build!
Lol that'll be the day.
Lol you cant use sharp precision because this is a 3 shot burst and lags
OMG BETTER THAN TAMER AND ENDURING LEGACY
Yea…no. Great weapon tho.
@@raymondlyle3859the tamer sucks
@@TreeskoTHQ it doesn’t suck but enduring legacy is a better option now after the buff.
Fallen hope with gley is also pretty good
Fallen hope is a general rounds weapon
lol .. farmed secret garden as my first exotic weeks ago... y'all slipping lol
Too bad Secret Garden is a PITA to get. 10% drop chance for the Nanotube is soul crushing.
Grind Materials with 25% chance to drop, then grind shards to run the reactor, then hope you get the 10% drop. 🤡🔫
Works best on kyle
omg no..now every person will be using my gun...and i like to use what other people use...erease this video plz..also wrong config
You can't have all the power to yourself XD
not even maxed out lul
Is maxed out like 2 days ago.
Ajax is good for nothing character. It needs serious re design
Wow here we go again!!!!!!! Now watch it get nerfed...AND it's not specifically just for ajax..and thats on your nose and sinuses being cleared up...ITS for supadupa Kyle too!!! If anything I think some if you streamers are ruining the game with you opinions and false info...Again...go back to D2/Warframe with that madness..
took me a week of farming to get 1 let alone farming the rest of them..
Really I thought this one was a pretty easy Farm I have a upcoming video to go over what I did to get it really easy