Milo showing up= heartwarming. Reason for silver trout's disappearance= heartbreaking. Oh my aching heart. Predicting the reason it died off was way too predictable.
As a fish biologist who grew up in New Hampshire, this is probably my favorite video you’ve ever made. I’m in love with the ghosts of local endemics - perhaps the closest we get to cryptids in any real sense. Tales of thylacines, ivory billed woodpeckers, and New Zealand moose fascinate me for their defiant hope, without evidence, that our greatest crimes against our faunal neighbors might not be permanent. For there are examples of the takahe, and other stubborn survivors to show that it’s possible. Not to mention the Sunapee trout, a similar tale from the same neighborhood. Perhaps when I visit next I’ll bring an underwater camera and make a trip myself. Something to scheme about until then, I suppose. (I’d also venture what I hope is a reasonable guess that those smaller fish that you were unable to identify may have been juvenile smallmouth bass).
@@AtlasPro1it’s a tall order to rigorously prove! Especially without intensive sampling using methods that are illegal to use as private citizens. I’d love to get a small UUV or build a small add-on to a go pro to make it more stable in the water (I.e. give it some fins/a tail). I think one of the more interesting things to do would be to take a bunch of eDNA samples. Take water samples around the spawning areas in October, but also go out to the deep areas and sample water down the bottom (with a van dorn sampler or similar) and filter those samples for eDNA. Tricky part is finding a lab that will do the DNA work for you. Looks like there are some federal programs that have existed in the last few years that may take some citizen scientist samples, but I’d have to do some more digging to see what is actually still doing that kind of stuff.
with all the horrendous disasters of deliberately introduced species running amok and destroying countless endemic species, why would you name the New Zealand moose on the same level as the Thylacine?
I work for Monadnock State Park as a Park Ranger. This was news to me as my job mostly involves injuries and search and rescue. But this was very enlightening! I would add that we do have high trout populations in the area that F&G protects that I will not disclose where, but it is near the area of Dublin Lake. It is off limits to people and in the lake, there is an over abundance of trout and nothing else. Next time I hike there I will take some videos! Another thing to add that both trout populations are near mountains and could potentially live in the buffer zone between mountain stream and lake, which is a niche but a unique ecosystem for juvenile and smaller trout, but it could also serve as the silver trouts ideal habitat. Regardless I will ask F&G next time I see them and take a look myself. Thank you!
I hold a PhD in ichthyology, and I recommend collecting sediment and water samples, particularly from areas around disturbed or cleared rocks. These samples can then be analyzed for environmental DNA (eDNA), which contains genetic material shed by organisms in the area. eDNA analysis allows you to identify all the species present in the ecosystem, including those that may not have been previously documented. This method can confirm whether you're in the correct location by providing a comprehensive snapshot of the biodiversity in the area.
I do not hold a PhD but I also think that using eDNA from water samples taken from various streams is the obvious and most economic way of finding the silver trout. So far, eDNA has failed to find any Sasquatches which is caused, I believe, not be the failure of science but by the non existence of Sasquatches.
@@joeelliott2157 I hold 43 PhDs and have undeniable eDNA evidence of a large non-human primate in the Pacific northwest of the US. I will be publishing soon as I get my 44th PhD and will keep you updated.
@@AtlasPro1here is a tidbit for you. Look up Maidstone lake in Vermont. It has a strain of native lake trout unlike other lake trout. It is lighter green on top and more silvery on the lower sides and bottoms I believe. It is not that well known. Perhaps a silver/lake trout hybrid? It is a smaller lake trout subspecies. And lake trout and brook trout are all a type of char, which I would imagine the silver trout to be as well. Look into it.
@@AtlasPro1 Absolutely amazing new video and unmatched effort into finding an extinct species Having said that, I do want to suggest that you have perhaps forgotten one of the core aspects of any scientific endeavour : Asking the locals Yeah I know social anxiety/introvertedness and such but locals especially those who are fishing enthusiasts in the area are a great source of information who have lived there for decades and will have a wealth of information. Add to that that this is a harmless request and you can say that this is for scientific research and you could tell them to get back to you anytime This way you give them something fun to look forward to each time they go fishing and you get people who are out there searching while you can focus on other important work Also this will entice them to look for it in other ponds in the area each different fishing trip. After all who wouldn't want to find an extinct species again. Yes there is a potential to lose out on the achievement of rediscovering and extinct species but I would say it is worth it and people will find out who gave the idea in the first place
I met a older gentleman 75-85 age could be older but a healthy old man while camping in around Mt. Monadnock in 2016. He showed me pictures of pictures taken of a catch him and his father had in the late 30s of 8 trout 3 of which were arguably silver trout. No doubt in my mind i wish i had service for him to send them to me. His father had the largest sent for taxidermy at the Bridgewater factory. I imagine there is some 50-60 year old with a silver trout on a walnut display sitting in their basement barroom being talked about to this day. The legendary day fishing with great gramps. Could be worse for an extinct species all in all.
Moreover - those examples might still have some DNA in them, which might be good fora later comparison or analysis. For example you could've taken piece of that dead trout you've seen and compared it's DNA to the silver trout! @@AtlasPro1
Your initiative to get out into world as an amateur naturalist and scientifically investigate seemingly obscure questions that pique your own curiosity, and to do so with such rigor is... inspiring. Proud to support this channel, keep it up!
I love the old books and magazines shown on this channel. Old obscure knowledge like the warden stocking stone pond that probably no human has laid eyes on in 50 years.
No way! I live right by Dublin Pond, just a couple towns over, and I never knew it boasted its own nearly-unique species of fish. Thank you for this awesome video about NH!
I almost couldn’t believe it when he led with “this is Dublin Pond.” I live in Keene and pass Dublin Pond frequently on Rt. 101. The Pond may be good for extinct fish finding, but Rt. 9 is better for scenery and commuting ;)
Pretty much all of your "probably another sunfish" are Smallmouth Bass. Their prevalence pretty much confirms the lack of Silver Trout wherever you find a bunch, since they are very voracious eaters. Also, I don't believe there's ever been a documented case of Rainbow Trout hybridizing with any variety of char (Brookies and Lakers are char species). That said, Brown Trout have been, so while your theory isn't implausible, the Rainbow is probably pure. In spite of the unlikelihood of finding a Silver Trout, I really admire your dedication. I loved the video, this is exactly the kind of content I love to see and would totally go out looking too if I could. Nice job!
best chance of finding a silver trout is to look for isolated streams that are part of the greater watershed of that glacial lake. streams that due to waterfalls didn't allow for brook trout migrate up and dilute the gene pool. otherwise a gentically pure silver trout is unlikely to exist.
From the footage you have, you saw Pumpkinseed and smallmouth bass, and in one shot there were some juvenile largemouth. And yes that was a rainbow trout. Source - Fishing my whole life and memorizing fish species as a kid
Drop a sealed camera box, with cameras, batteries, etc., near those spawn rocks from October 1st until October 31st. I bet you'll see all manner of trout come out.
@joeg5414 so you think that having seen one and then no longer seeing any live ones is worse than not seeing any, killing one, realizing there was atleast one and then not knowing if there are any more? Sounds like you went full circle, with the added bonus of now you might have killed the very last one.
I wonder if Outdoor Life would still have those original photos somewhere in its archives. The actual photos should be far better than the reproduction in a magazine.
Stone Pond definitely might be a good canidate to check out if it wasn't in a HOA. Probably could tip off a uni and see if they can do some exploration of that lake. Though its pretty large too and could of been stocked too.
You could probably just send the HOA a letter to ask permission, or even just knock on a door. Maybe bribe them with trout-shaped cookies or something to grease the wheels. You probably only need one homeowner's permission to count as a guest and thus not be trespassing.
Yeah he would only need one homeowners permission because it's inevitable lake he just needs permission to get onto the lake. However it's unlikely that people that are worried about property value would want an endangered species to be declared in their backyards.
I live about 30 minutes from Dublin Pond right off 101, I love this story and your commitment to it so much! Perhaps next year I can search for the silver trout myself.
The idea that there could be a ghost lineage of the silver trout hits really close to home! Humans ourselves contain some Neanderthal DNA, and it’s quite possible that we bred them out of existence in a similar manner We’ve also found unique ghost lineages of red wolves in some Texas coyotes
Unfortunately missed the spawn period. It heavily depends on weather and water temps, so it could be earlier or later than was written even a year ago. I follow smallmouth throughout the year based on the water temp and can predict where they will be and when. Brooke trout creep shallower once the water drops into the mid to upper 40's, I would imagine silver trout would follow a similar cadence
There are actual research-based strategies scientists use to track down fish beyond dropping a go-pro in the water. I would recommend researching these strategies for any future fish-finding videos you might have planned.
Wow I’m from Rocky hill and I had no clue about that ice dam. Looked it up and apparently this local park I loved, which is like a mini desert near the river was the remnant of lake Hitchcock and the ice dam. Incredible
I can tell you that all those little fish that were unrecognizable were in fact small mouth bass. The black line that runs down the tip of the tail is the easiest identifier! Great video! Very informative!
Fantastic video! I'm subscribed for videos about anywhere in the world but as a New Hampshire resident my whole life, I especially liked learning about something so close to home. It really reinforces how much there is to learn even about the areas around your own backyard.
Americans: Only a four hours drive for a fish. Europeans: Eh, Paris is nice, but it's like five hours, and Belgium highways are so busy during the week.
milo forgetting the name of the other pond, pulling out a random Irish name, shouting across the lake at you, and leaving it in the video is so on-brand lmao
I think most of the fish you are calling sunfish are bass. Also if the second species of trout to use the spawning beds cleans the area that would mean the first eggs placed there would be cast out to be eaten by every other fish & bird. That may have been a huge part of their decline.
The same trout showing up dead the next day has to be a middle finger from mother nature herself. Jokes aside I have seen aquarium fishes coming up to the top of the water before dying, the explanation I heard is that they are having trouble breathing and are coming up trying to breathe air, although I am not sure how true that explanation is.
They aren't trying to breathe air, per se, at the layer where water meets air, that's where the oxygen exchange happens. So the layer of water closest to the air has the higher % of oxygen, compared to lower layers of water. (Fish tank filters work by pulling water from deeper in the tank and exposing it to the surface so it can grab fresh oxygen, and the cascade back into the tank ensures that overtime all the water in the tank gets a chance to touch air. In small unfiltered tanks, fish die of asphyxiation, not ammonia poisoning.) So ill fish (higher metabolism rate while fighting an infection), or those that are otherwise struggling and need more oxygen, or in low-oxygen saturated water will swim near the surface for the proportionally higher oxygen % in the water.
Wow i cant believe your covering my silver trout, im from nh and salmonids are my passion, i grew up fascinating over these fish wishing i could see what they looked like. Im sure they were shockingly beautiful like both the brook trout and arctic char are.
It feels oddly serendipitous to encounter the same trout on its last day, then find it belly-up in the reeds the following day. Also, ending on fish sex might sound unhinged to an outsider, but the idea that the silver trout could have interbred with other trout species is a hopeful and heartening note to end on. Much like how the Neanderthals kinda live on in modern humans through ancient intermingling (and were probably the IRL inspiration for elves and dwarves, but that's another story), I would like to think that there are trout out there that carry the genetic heritage of the otherwise-extinct silver trout.
Seems like partnering with a university in the area to look for e-dna at both places would have been a better way of looking for an animal nobody has seen in a century
Agreed. While this is a very entertining video, there are some far more effective methods that could have been used. A bit of input from a local fish biologist would have gone a long way. Seeing the smallmouth in the pond is a deadringer for there being little to no trout of any species.
The way you describe the search makes it feel like I'm listening to an old sea captain's tragic tales hunting a white- err silver- whale. Thank you for making these videos!
Why am I not surprised two of my favourite You Tubers are friends? That quite made my day! Safe to assume overfishing didn't help (extinction by human stupidity isn't unique to fish), but those lake beds look distinctly degraded to my eye. Is that arboreal monoculture a natural feature of this biome? Straight away, the intro put me in mind of the UK's endangered Arctic Charr, currently clinging on in a handful of glacial lakes in Eryri, North Wales. I firstly checked Llyn Mwyngil, formerly the southernmost part of their range .... but note the 'formerly'. It seems they're now confined to even fewer lakes closer to Yr Wyddfa itself.
Having watched your channel for several years now, I must praise you for your ever increasing skill in presenting a narrative not only filled with logos, pertinent factual information, but pathos, emotional investment and poignancy for the viewer. The information was always interesting and it's what brought me here as a channel subscriber, but lately your videos have an extra layer of storytelling that's truly compelling. It may coincide with the increasingly complex, specific, and ambitious projects you take on, which I also wish to praise you for, but either way don't think that your efforts and expanding abilities in presenting this channel go unnoticed. Thanks for another wonderful video!
What a banger. I originally planned to just have this play in the background but i ended up super enthralled by the end, really hoping that the silver trout is still out there. It probably wont, but i hipe this blows up
Thank you for your videos. You’ve been inspiring me for a few years to learn more about the topics that you talk about and environments in general! You’ve been a huge inspiration!
It's islands all the way down. Big place becomes small and isolated leading to unique habitat and biogeographic conditions to support unique life. Story of this channel all the way and I love it.
Impressed by the amount of research and digging for info you've done for this one. I was wondering what got you interested in this subject in the first place ? Were you specifically looking for an interesting to make a video about or did you find out about the silver trout just through your fishing hobby and wanted to dig deeper ? Either it was great and i've been loving your "field" videos you've started doing recently, easily my favorite content of yours !
Such a cool video, with a bittersweet ending, at least the thought of the silver trouts breeding and mixing with the other trouts gives us a bit of comfort. I can’t exaggerate how cool your videos are, please do not stop making them. I am sure you will captivate hundreds of other people into liking geography ecology biology etc. thank you!
I am always so delighted to see one of your videos show up in my subscription feed that I almost commented before I even watched the video but I just had this Feeling that maybe I shouldn’t and I’m glad I waited because now I can also comment that your video was great as always AND I was happy to see a surprise cameo appearance by Milo!
Lakes like Christine Lake, the second lake you were in, are so familiar to me from my childhood. They’re always an adventure - one minute you’re feeling your way carefully over slippery rocks, the next you’re in water over your head. And the next you’re scraping the skin off the tops of your toes or barking your shins on a random slab. I miss these lakes so much!
I loved this video, especially the lake bed footage. BTW, you can download gopro on your phone and watch it stream the footage live to your phone so you dont have to guess what you filming
You are so amazing. Your passion for the natural world coupled with your extensive knowledge makes these wonderful videos I just cannot wait to watch. Seeing someone else being interested in the same thing from the same angle is incredible. Thank you very much!
I think you found your unique niche, as I saw nobody on youtube making case studies of extinct animals(which is freaking cool!!) Very engaging ,informative and fun! I hope you do such kind of videos in the future too.keep working hard.and I wish I could see the pond myself,but I live in India.
I’ve never found your channel before but this is so interesting! There aren’t many videos made in my state of New Hampshire, but thank you for making this interesting video! you earned a sub!
If you want to pursue better underwater footage, I suggest getting an Aqua-vu Camera. Commonly used for ice fishing. You can see the camera feed and aim it, and with the right model you can record as well. Super cool to see this adventure. I've never heard of this fish as well. Another thing that may be a factor to their decline is the vegetation leading to spawning difficulties. I may be wrong, but i didn't see a mention as to what the lake may have been like in the 1800's when the article was written. Vegetation may not have been as prevalent or even existent that close to the shore as it used to be. They article mentions clearing of dirt particles, but not moss and growing vegetation. So the accumulation of finer sediments over the rocky substrate by humans, wind, incoming water run off, and other erosion may have buried a traditional cobble, gravel substrate. They could be still clearing thinner patches away as you pointed out, but if vegetation gets thicker, it may bury the substrate they need to spawn.
Edit alert! I had originally posted that char and pacific salmon could not hybridize, found out that's not "quite" true! First, to address the silver scales. Rainbow trout, especially those in lakes, can be a near chrome silver color, and absolutely have metallic silver scales, often along the belly and sides. So...those scales are perfectly normal for a pure rainbow trout. Secondly, Brook(and silver) trout are a type of Char, Rainbows are a type of Pacific salmon. The hybrid of rainbow and brook is called a "cheetah trout. However....Cheetah trout are entirely sterile(being too far apart on the family tree...think mule) and required human intervention to happen, as the parent species spawn opposite time of the year(spring for rainbow, fall for char), and typically need a heat treatment immediately after the eggs and milt are mixed, to facilitate even a small amount of success less then 50 percent of the eggs are long term viable). The resulting fish have a VERY distinct look, with dark wavy stripes and no spots among other things, very different from the fish you found(absolutely a rainbow trout) All that said, I really enjoyed this video, it gives me hope that perhaps in some small pond or stream, a few of those silvers live on!
Watched it over at Nebula but wanted to keep a Like and comment here. I love your dedication and also the great story telling. Despite the length, I was hooked (sorry) since the beginning.
"My friend Milo" and I'm like naw it's probably another Milo. Sure enough though! Never thought I'd see a crossover of these two of my favorite youtubers
This video really inspired me. I live in New York and my local streams used to be packed with sea run brook trout and atlantic salmon and have since been over developed leaving the salmonoids without a habitat. I have reason to believe a few more of these fish visit the area on occasion and i already have some proof! I think i’ll start doing some more serious research and maybe make a video on the topic!
"Out of nowhere came milo"
Oh you beautiful coy bastard, never change
We love milo so much hihihi
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Milo showing up= heartwarming. Reason for silver trout's disappearance= heartbreaking. Oh my aching heart. Predicting the reason it died off was way too predictable.
This is was wonderful
yeah, loved that colab :)
As a fish biologist who grew up in New Hampshire, this is probably my favorite video you’ve ever made. I’m in love with the ghosts of local endemics - perhaps the closest we get to cryptids in any real sense. Tales of thylacines, ivory billed woodpeckers, and New Zealand moose fascinate me for their defiant hope, without evidence, that our greatest crimes against our faunal neighbors might not be permanent. For there are examples of the takahe, and other stubborn survivors to show that it’s possible. Not to mention the Sunapee trout, a similar tale from the same neighborhood.
Perhaps when I visit next I’ll bring an underwater camera and make a trip myself. Something to scheme about until then, I suppose.
(I’d also venture what I hope is a reasonable guess that those smaller fish that you were unable to identify may have been juvenile smallmouth bass).
word.
Christine Lake I hope has public access wow a new species however defined would be wild indeed!
You gotta make a visit yourself! Double check my work!
@@AtlasPro1it’s a tall order to rigorously prove! Especially without intensive sampling using methods that are illegal to use as private citizens.
I’d love to get a small UUV or build a small add-on to a go pro to make it more stable in the water (I.e. give it some fins/a tail).
I think one of the more interesting things to do would be to take a bunch of eDNA samples. Take water samples around the spawning areas in October, but also go out to the deep areas and sample water down the bottom (with a van dorn sampler or similar) and filter those samples for eDNA. Tricky part is finding a lab that will do the DNA work for you. Looks like there are some federal programs that have existed in the last few years that may take some citizen scientist samples, but I’d have to do some more digging to see what is actually still doing that kind of stuff.
with all the horrendous disasters of deliberately introduced species running amok and destroying countless endemic species, why would you name the New Zealand moose on the same level as the Thylacine?
I work for Monadnock State Park as a Park Ranger. This was news to me as my job mostly involves injuries and search and rescue. But this was very enlightening! I would add that we do have high trout populations in the area that F&G protects that I will not disclose where, but it is near the area of Dublin Lake. It is off limits to people and in the lake, there is an over abundance of trout and nothing else. Next time I hike there I will take some videos! Another thing to add that both trout populations are near mountains and could potentially live in the buffer zone between mountain stream and lake, which is a niche but a unique ecosystem for juvenile and smaller trout, but it could also serve as the silver trouts ideal habitat. Regardless I will ask F&G next time I see them and take a look myself. Thank you!
Make sure to update me on what you find!
@ Will do! It will be something I’ll look into on my next shift, but will reach out when I have better results and findings probably after this winter
@@llamapajamas223that would be great
Subbed for updates
This sounds very promising!!
I hold a PhD in ichthyology, and I recommend collecting sediment and water samples, particularly from areas around disturbed or cleared rocks. These samples can then be analyzed for environmental DNA (eDNA), which contains genetic material shed by organisms in the area. eDNA analysis allows you to identify all the species present in the ecosystem, including those that may not have been previously documented. This method can confirm whether you're in the correct location by providing a comprehensive snapshot of the biodiversity in the area.
I do not hold a PhD but I also think that using eDNA from water samples taken from various streams is the obvious and most economic way of finding the silver trout. So far, eDNA has failed to find any Sasquatches which is caused, I believe, not be the failure of science but by the non existence of Sasquatches.
@@joeelliott2157 I hold 43 PhDs and have undeniable eDNA evidence of a large non-human primate in the Pacific northwest of the US. I will be publishing soon as I get my 44th PhD and will keep you updated.
please do more of these finding exctinct species videos please ! i will watch all of them , start to finish at 1x speed no joke
fricking love them
That's the idea!
@@AtlasPro1 Wonderful!
That would be so fascinating
already made my own comment but what about the blue walleye in Lake Superior?
@@AtlasPro1here is a tidbit for you. Look up Maidstone lake in Vermont. It has a strain of native lake trout unlike other lake trout. It is lighter green on top and more silvery on the lower sides and bottoms I believe. It is not that well known. Perhaps a silver/lake trout hybrid? It is a smaller lake trout subspecies. And lake trout and brook trout are all a type of char, which I would imagine the silver trout to be as well. Look into it.
Well, now I understand those odd shorts of "do you see any fish?".😅
They were originally meant to release together but this video got delayed 😅
@@AtlasPro1 nah its good, its way funnier
Honestly, for a moment I thought those shorts were the start of some kind of unfiction ARG.
None of those showed up in my feed, but reading the confused comments now is hilarious.
@@AtlasPro1 Absolutely amazing new video and unmatched effort into finding an extinct species
Having said that, I do want to suggest that you have perhaps forgotten one of the core aspects of any scientific endeavour : Asking the locals
Yeah I know social anxiety/introvertedness and such but locals especially those who are fishing enthusiasts in the area are a great source of information who have lived there for decades and will have a wealth of information. Add to that that this is a harmless request and you can say that this is for scientific research and you could tell them to get back to you anytime
This way you give them something fun to look forward to each time they go fishing and you get people who are out there searching while you can focus on other important work
Also this will entice them to look for it in other ponds in the area each different fishing trip. After all who wouldn't want to find an extinct species again.
Yes there is a potential to lose out on the achievement of rediscovering and extinct species but I would say it is worth it and people will find out who gave the idea in the first place
I met a older gentleman 75-85 age could be older but a healthy old man while camping in around Mt. Monadnock in 2016. He showed me pictures of pictures taken of a catch him and his father had in the late 30s of 8 trout 3 of which were arguably silver trout. No doubt in my mind i wish i had service for him to send them to me. His father had the largest sent for taxidermy at the Bridgewater factory. I imagine there is some 50-60 year old with a silver trout on a walnut display sitting in their basement barroom being talked about to this day. The legendary day fishing with great gramps. Could be worse for an extinct species all in all.
You gotta track him down and ask for those pictures! There are so few in existence
Moreover - those examples might still have some DNA in them, which might be good fora later comparison or analysis. For example you could've taken piece of that dead trout you've seen and compared it's DNA to the silver trout!
@@AtlasPro1
I was skeptical of such a long video on this subject, but credit where its due, i was wrong, it was very absorbing.
I always deliver 😉
Your initiative to get out into world as an amateur naturalist and scientifically investigate seemingly obscure questions that pique your own curiosity, and to do so with such rigor is... inspiring. Proud to support this channel, keep it up!
I love the old books and magazines shown on this channel. Old obscure knowledge like the warden stocking stone pond that probably no human has laid eyes on in 50 years.
No way! I live right by Dublin Pond, just a couple towns over, and I never knew it boasted its own nearly-unique species of fish. Thank you for this awesome video about NH!
Go check it out!
Same. It was wild to have the video start in a place that I drive past every time I go to Keene.
@@Lewa263 No way, another Keene-based Bionicle fan?
Same I’m in Milford!!! I guess atlaspro has a mini nh crew 😂
I almost couldn’t believe it when he led with “this is Dublin Pond.”
I live in Keene and pass Dublin Pond frequently on Rt. 101. The Pond may be good for extinct fish finding, but Rt. 9 is better for scenery and commuting ;)
Atlas Pro and Milo Rossi in the same video. 😃 It's gonna be a great day.
Pretty much all of your "probably another sunfish" are Smallmouth Bass. Their prevalence pretty much confirms the lack of Silver Trout wherever you find a bunch, since they are very voracious eaters.
Also, I don't believe there's ever been a documented case of Rainbow Trout hybridizing with any variety of char (Brookies and Lakers are char species). That said, Brown Trout have been, so while your theory isn't implausible, the Rainbow is probably pure.
In spite of the unlikelihood of finding a Silver Trout, I really admire your dedication. I loved the video, this is exactly the kind of content I love to see and would totally go out looking too if I could. Nice job!
Genuinely one of my favorite channels on RUclips, this is awesome. Well done!!
I did this for you!
best chance of finding a silver trout is to look for isolated streams that are part of the greater watershed of that glacial lake. streams that due to waterfalls didn't allow for brook trout migrate up and dilute the gene pool. otherwise a gentically pure silver trout is unlikely to exist.
From the footage you have, you saw Pumpkinseed and smallmouth bass, and in one shot there were some juvenile largemouth. And yes that was a rainbow trout.
Source - Fishing my whole life and memorizing fish species as a kid
Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about
Thought I saw one rainbow in there
Drop a sealed camera box, with cameras, batteries, etc., near those spawn rocks from October 1st until October 31st. I bet you'll see all manner of trout come out.
Or....just dynamite the lake and see what floats up.
@brianmulholland2467 well, if it wasn't extinct before it'll for sure might be after!
@@brianmulholland2467gotta feed the hogs!
@@MrBattlecharge better than not knowing
@joeg5414 so you think that having seen one and then no longer seeing any live ones is worse than not seeing any, killing one, realizing there was atleast one and then not knowing if there are any more? Sounds like you went full circle, with the added bonus of now you might have killed the very last one.
I wonder if Outdoor Life would still have those original photos somewhere in its archives. The actual photos should be far better than the reproduction in a magazine.
I would love to see them!
Stone Pond definitely might be a good canidate to check out if it wasn't in a HOA.
Probably could tip off a uni and see if they can do some exploration of that lake.
Though its pretty large too and could of been stocked too.
You could probably just send the HOA a letter to ask permission, or even just knock on a door. Maybe bribe them with trout-shaped cookies or something to grease the wheels. You probably only need one homeowner's permission to count as a guest and thus not be trespassing.
Yeah he would only need one homeowners permission because it's inevitable lake he just needs permission to get onto the lake. However it's unlikely that people that are worried about property value would want an endangered species to be declared in their backyards.
i'd never thought fish could be cute but those pumpkin seeds were adorable ❤❤
The name really helps imo
I used to keep them in my pond! Theyre as fun to keep as cichlids or goldfish are!
I went swimming in that pond from the boat launch once! Never in a million years thought someone would make an hour long video about it - so cool!
Once you mentioned the lakes being stocked with other varieties of trout, the cross breeding question popped in my head. I am glad you addressed that.
This isn't just a RUclips video anymore. It's an entire documentary. Reminds me of good ol' TV.
Before the Aliens cons theories became popular
Very reminiscent of river monsters, very much enjoyed this
I live about 30 minutes from Dublin Pond right off 101, I love this story and your commitment to it so much! Perhaps next year I can search for the silver trout myself.
The idea that there could be a ghost lineage of the silver trout hits really close to home! Humans ourselves contain some Neanderthal DNA, and it’s quite possible that we bred them out of existence in a similar manner
We’ve also found unique ghost lineages of red wolves in some Texas coyotes
Unfortunately missed the spawn period. It heavily depends on weather and water temps, so it could be earlier or later than was written even a year ago. I follow smallmouth throughout the year based on the water temp and can predict where they will be and when. Brooke trout creep shallower once the water drops into the mid to upper 40's, I would imagine silver trout would follow a similar cadence
There are actual research-based strategies scientists use to track down fish beyond dropping a go-pro in the water. I would recommend researching these strategies for any future fish-finding videos you might have planned.
Its like real Cryptid hunting, even got the low camera quality, just logical this time lol
We should make a video game based on this story
Thank God he made no stupid video claiming megalodon still lives 😂
forrest galante. he/forrest evens says we need a new name for looking for recently declared extinct animals
@@stupidminotaur9735 pretty cools idea
Wow I’m from Rocky hill and I had no clue about that ice dam. Looked it up and apparently this local park I loved, which is like a mini desert near the river was the remnant of lake Hitchcock and the ice dam. Incredible
haha, sometimes history hides in plain sight!
I can tell you that all those little fish that were unrecognizable were in fact small mouth bass. The black line that runs down the tip of the tail is the easiest identifier! Great video! Very informative!
neat!
Atlas Pro in the field is gonna be a massive hit, my friend. love this vid
"My friend Milo" !!!!!! unexpected crossover HERE WE GO
Fantastic video! I'm subscribed for videos about anywhere in the world but as a New Hampshire resident my whole life, I especially liked learning about something so close to home. It really reinforces how much there is to learn even about the areas around your own backyard.
You gotta go explore a pond near you!
Americans: Only a four hours drive for a fish.
Europeans: Eh, Paris is nice, but it's like five hours, and Belgium highways are so busy during the week.
Canadians: 12 hour drive? Get me my Timmies
or you can take the train
@@nonamedplebCologne-Paris in 3 instead of 5 hours by car. Eurostar goes brrr.
milo forgetting the name of the other pond, pulling out a random Irish name, shouting across the lake at you, and leaving it in the video is so on-brand lmao
I think most of the fish you are calling sunfish are bass. Also if the second species of trout to use the spawning beds cleans the area that would mean the first eggs placed there would be cast out to be eaten by every other fish & bird. That may have been a huge part of their decline.
It's possible!
To be fair largemouth and smallmouth bass are considered sunfish.
@@sproutingresilience4787 Really, I have never heard that before. Ok
@@user-mi3pv7ql4g he is yanking your chain. Nobody calls a bass a sunfish LOL
@@nigrolovr8703 Weedfish would be more accurate
The same trout showing up dead the next day has to be a middle finger from mother nature herself.
Jokes aside I have seen aquarium fishes coming up to the top of the water before dying, the explanation I heard is that they are having trouble breathing and are coming up trying to breathe air, although I am not sure how true that explanation is.
They aren't trying to breathe air, per se, at the layer where water meets air, that's where the oxygen exchange happens. So the layer of water closest to the air has the higher % of oxygen, compared to lower layers of water. (Fish tank filters work by pulling water from deeper in the tank and exposing it to the surface so it can grab fresh oxygen, and the cascade back into the tank ensures that overtime all the water in the tank gets a chance to touch air. In small unfiltered tanks, fish die of asphyxiation, not ammonia poisoning.)
So ill fish (higher metabolism rate while fighting an infection), or those that are otherwise struggling and need more oxygen, or in low-oxygen saturated water will swim near the surface for the proportionally higher oxygen % in the water.
@@Stothehighest that makes a lot of sense, thank you for the explanation.
Am fish, can confirm Sto’s information is credible.
@@Nemesis0513 he's giving away your secrets
Wow i cant believe your covering my silver trout, im from nh and salmonids are my passion, i grew up fascinating over these fish wishing i could see what they looked like. Im sure they were shockingly beautiful like both the brook trout and arctic char are.
Was not expecting to see milo rossi in an atlas pro video about fish 😅 what a nice surprise
A surprise Milo appeared!!! Heck yeah!
11:04 the collab i didnt know i needed
A whole HOUR of Atlas Pro!!! Love these long documentaries, thank you for making them!
It feels oddly serendipitous to encounter the same trout on its last day, then find it belly-up in the reeds the following day.
Also, ending on fish sex might sound unhinged to an outsider, but the idea that the silver trout could have interbred with other trout species is a hopeful and heartening note to end on. Much like how the Neanderthals kinda live on in modern humans through ancient intermingling (and were probably the IRL inspiration for elves and dwarves, but that's another story), I would like to think that there are trout out there that carry the genetic heritage of the otherwise-extinct silver trout.
Seems like partnering with a university in the area to look for e-dna at both places would have been a better way of looking for an animal nobody has seen in a century
Agreed. While this is a very entertining video, there are some far more effective methods that could have been used. A bit of input from a local fish biologist would have gone a long way. Seeing the smallmouth in the pond is a deadringer for there being little to no trout of any species.
Milo? The Milo Rossi!?
Miniminuteman
No, it's Stefan Milo. Trust me
The googledebunker himself
9:29 Thought I was bugging when I saw the pumpkin seeds simply staring at you, then you confirmed that, yes, that was indeed the case, lol.
Those are not pumpkin seed those are blue gill can tell because of the blue striping down the gill plate
Amazing video, loved every second of it. Would love to see more like it in the future 😊
There's so much more to come!
@@AtlasPro1imagine ultimately discovering a new species and having the opportunity to name it
Amazing storytelling and gorgeous drone shots! I really appreciate what you do, please keep it up!
The way you describe the search makes it feel like I'm listening to an old sea captain's tragic tales hunting a white- err silver- whale. Thank you for making these videos!
Why am I not surprised two of my favourite You Tubers are friends? That quite made my day!
Safe to assume overfishing didn't help (extinction by human stupidity isn't unique to fish), but those lake beds look distinctly degraded to my eye.
Is that arboreal monoculture a natural feature of this biome?
Straight away, the intro put me in mind of the UK's endangered Arctic Charr, currently clinging on in a handful of glacial lakes in Eryri, North Wales. I firstly checked Llyn Mwyngil, formerly the southernmost part of their range .... but note the 'formerly'. It seems they're now confined to even fewer lakes closer to Yr Wyddfa itself.
Having watched your channel for several years now, I must praise you for your ever increasing skill in presenting a narrative not only filled with logos, pertinent factual information, but pathos, emotional investment and poignancy for the viewer. The information was always interesting and it's what brought me here as a channel subscriber, but lately your videos have an extra layer of storytelling that's truly compelling. It may coincide with the increasingly complex, specific, and ambitious projects you take on, which I also wish to praise you for, but either way don't think that your efforts and expanding abilities in presenting this channel go unnoticed. Thanks for another wonderful video!
What a banger. I originally planned to just have this play in the background but i ended up super enthralled by the end, really hoping that the silver trout is still out there. It probably wont, but i hipe this blows up
Thank you for your videos. You’ve been inspiring me for a few years to learn more about the topics that you talk about and environments in general! You’ve been a huge inspiration!
It's islands all the way down. Big place becomes small and isolated leading to unique habitat and biogeographic conditions to support unique life. Story of this channel all the way and I love it.
That's really awesome. I hope someone does eventually sequence the DNA on some of those rainbow trout.
This was such a well produced video with excellent storytelling skills! Thoroughly enjoyed it and was hooked for the entirety of 1:04:14 🙏 Thank you
15:45 this explains the seals in Lake Baikal, too
Now you’re thinking!
@@AtlasPro1 it was probably connected to the Arctic Ocean, since they are related to Arctic ring seats
I can’t even explain how well made this was, mad respect!
Impressed by the amount of research and digging for info you've done for this one. I was wondering what got you interested in this subject in the first place ? Were you specifically looking for an interesting to make a video about or did you find out about the silver trout just through your fishing hobby and wanted to dig deeper ? Either it was great and i've been loving your "field" videos you've started doing recently, easily my favorite content of yours !
Very excited for the first Atlas Pro movie!
Such a cool video, with a bittersweet ending, at least the thought of the silver trouts breeding and mixing with the other trouts gives us a bit of comfort. I can’t exaggerate how cool your videos are, please do not stop making them. I am sure you will captivate hundreds of other people into liking geography ecology biology etc. thank you!
I'm so so glad I can support the making of great videos like this because I've subbed on Patreon, thank you so much for your amazing content
I am always so delighted to see one of your videos show up in my subscription feed that I almost commented before I even watched the video but I just had this Feeling that maybe I shouldn’t and I’m glad I waited because now I can also comment that your video was great as always AND I was happy to see a surprise cameo appearance by Milo!
DUDE MANY MIN MAN!
TOGETHER YOU ARE TWO OF MY FAVORITE RUclipsRS EVER!!!!
Atlas Pro and Milo Rossi, what a treat!!!! 🤩
I hope the algorithm begins to pick this video up, it’s super interesting and worth the watch.
Milo is by far and away one of my favourite presenters. Thank you
I just can't believe how emotionally invested I was in this story. So very, very well done.
Lakes like Christine Lake, the second lake you were in, are so familiar to me from my childhood.
They’re always an adventure - one minute you’re feeling your way carefully over slippery rocks, the next you’re in water over your head. And the next you’re scraping the skin off the tops of your toes or barking your shins on a random slab.
I miss these lakes so much!
Love this kind of content. Bravo!!
I loved this video, especially the lake bed footage. BTW, you can download gopro on your phone and watch it stream the footage live to your phone so you dont have to guess what you filming
You are so amazing. Your passion for the natural world coupled with your extensive knowledge makes these wonderful videos I just cannot wait to watch. Seeing someone else being interested in the same thing from the same angle is incredible. Thank you very much!
There's ways to analyze the water for trace DNA. I remember hearing how the lochness monster couldn't be a plesiosaur based on such analysis
Went to college at Keene State, drove past here on 101 several times a month for 4 years 🥹 Absolutely beautiful drive in the fall 🙏🏼
Wow I was not expecting atlas pro to drop a whole movie, but I'm not complaining
Those pumpkin seeds are so cute
My favorite science channel by far! Love the firsthand experiences and discoveries.
Only bigger and better things coming!
@@AtlasPro1 very excited!
These videos are top notch, made with such quality, effort, and meticulous commentary. Well done!
I think you found your unique niche, as I saw nobody on youtube making case studies of extinct animals(which is freaking cool!!) Very engaging ,informative and fun! I hope you do such kind of videos in the future too.keep working hard.and I wish I could see the pond myself,but I live in India.
In Algonquin Park Canada there's a lake called Kingscote that host a small population of silver trout, I've caught one while fishing...Nice video 👍
I’ve never found your channel before but this is so interesting! There aren’t many videos made in my state of New Hampshire, but thank you for making this interesting video! you earned a sub!
If you want to pursue better underwater footage, I suggest getting an Aqua-vu Camera. Commonly used for ice fishing. You can see the camera feed and aim it, and with the right model you can record as well.
Super cool to see this adventure. I've never heard of this fish as well. Another thing that may be a factor to their decline is the vegetation leading to spawning difficulties. I may be wrong, but i didn't see a mention as to what the lake may have been like in the 1800's when the article was written. Vegetation may not have been as prevalent or even existent that close to the shore as it used to be. They article mentions clearing of dirt particles, but not moss and growing vegetation. So the accumulation of finer sediments over the rocky substrate by humans, wind, incoming water run off, and other erosion may have buried a traditional cobble, gravel substrate.
They could be still clearing thinner patches away as you pointed out, but if vegetation gets thicker, it may bury the substrate they need to spawn.
Yoooooo I’m so into this collab you two are some of my favorite RUclipsrs
Edit alert! I had originally posted that char and pacific salmon could not hybridize, found out that's not "quite" true! First, to address the silver scales. Rainbow trout, especially those in lakes, can be a near chrome silver color, and absolutely have metallic silver scales, often along the belly and sides. So...those scales are perfectly normal for a pure rainbow trout. Secondly, Brook(and silver) trout are a type of Char, Rainbows are a type of Pacific salmon. The hybrid of rainbow and brook is called a "cheetah trout. However....Cheetah trout are entirely sterile(being too far apart on the family tree...think mule) and required human intervention to happen, as the parent species spawn opposite time of the year(spring for rainbow, fall for char), and typically need a heat treatment immediately after the eggs and milt are mixed, to facilitate even a small amount of success less then 50 percent of the eggs are long term viable). The resulting fish have a VERY distinct look, with dark wavy stripes and no spots among other things, very different from the fish you found(absolutely a rainbow trout) All that said, I really enjoyed this video, it gives me hope that perhaps in some small pond or stream, a few of those silvers live on!
Watched it over at Nebula but wanted to keep a Like and comment here. I love your dedication and also the great story telling. Despite the length, I was hooked (sorry) since the beginning.
The newt video was amazing as well as this fish species. Your videos on local endemics of the region is fascinating.
Holy shittt what a colab.😂 legitimately two of my absolute favorite channels ever. Damn i love that dude
This video was a phenomenal new type of project on this channel! Thank you!
Great video, hope you did some hiking while you were there. c is a great hike with some cool stories along with it.
This was phenomenal. Thank you for a new legend to think of on my outings.
Incredible Video, thanks for taking us with you on this interesting adventure. Really hoping to see a follow up next year.
"My friend Milo" and I'm like naw it's probably another Milo. Sure enough though! Never thought I'd see a crossover of these two of my favorite youtubers
This is epic! i could not notice an hour pass by ths fast
Atlas pro is so underrated
New Hampshire is where I'm from! Good to see you search for one of our extinct species. Our trouts are hidden gems of this state.
Incredible video! I would honestly watch a whole series about searching for Silver Trout and the other purple species.
Awesome video. Hope to see you go out into the field again.
I love that the two of you met up there.That is so cool
Great video! As a fellow upstate NY'er who's obsessed with fishing, I might have to search for the silver trout!
This video really inspired me. I live in New York and my local streams used to be packed with sea run brook trout and atlantic salmon and have since been over developed leaving the salmonoids without a habitat. I have reason to believe a few more of these fish visit the area on occasion and i already have some proof! I think i’ll start doing some more serious research and maybe make a video on the topic!