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Just saw the movie Killer of the Flower Moon. Heartbreaking part of history. Nearly forgotten. Important to learn as much as you can. History is important.
Certainly he was responsible of the other murders. Such men also convinced and motivated others to act as killers for their own benefit. Otherwise anyway some people would jealous and talked to the authorities. And some who lived and is involved became partners too. Look at the situation in my beloved xobtry under Erdogan', the greatest thing Tayyip' Erdoğan his minister, fanily and others With the exception of the murders, the pattern is the same. The film is on screen in Istanbul. I will watch it. And thank you for the video
The movie was great but you get so much more insight on each character in the book. I feel like I got all the info by reading the book and a glance over with the movie. Plus you get the research info by the author and hear of his adventures in his research by reading the book. The book was just as interesting as the movie. It's a book that's hard to put down.
When? There's not enough time for good learning of math, national political history, poetry and excellent literature in the school day, particularly since school teachers are so poorly educated. Student whinery and PC BS hamper effective teaching. Plus we now flubber-teach using computers instead of the proper learning tool - books, paper, pencils. The best learning method is "Kinsthetic" type. That means involving all senses. This requires books, paper, pencil, and chalkboards, despite EPA idiocy. Teaching these type films is way to time consumiing in a 30 hour week.
. kinesthetic, not kinsthetic! Also, way too time, not way to... Obviously you didn't learn much in school! And then you blame it on the system, instead of taking responsibility for what and how much you learned. Lazy or stupid?
I live 50 miles away from the events of the Osage Murders in Tulsa Ok....and I am utterly gutted by yet another disappointing truth about Oklahoma. We were never taught about the Black Wallstreet Massacre here in Tulsa nor about the Osage Reign of Terror. My heart is very heavy with sorrow.
I live in the South and am saddened once again how the white people have treated minorities. I am outraged by the Osage murders. It breaks my heart how people can be so greedy.
Yup, what happened to black wall street & all the successful African Americans there in Tulsa was pretty close in history to what was happening to the Osage families that benefitted heavily from all the oil found on their land. Just like the story of Abel & Cain, when the white people not doing so well in life see a brother of another race doing extraordinary rare the same mentality that happened with the Germans hating the Jews went on. Their jealousy, envy, bitterness, rage, and superiority complex mixed with racism turned into hatred, which turned into cruelty, corruption by white police & authorities, murder, burning houses or exploding them with the minorities inside, all sorts of blood thirsty KKK like acts by regular white American citizens.
Working extensively in Indian Country, and representing many Native American nations and tribes, including as an official appointed by both Republican and Democratic Presidents, I applaud you for funding and producing this outstanding biography. Thank you most sincerely. Every citizen of the US and the former Colonial powers ought to see this.
@@inoshikachokonoyarobakayar2493No argument here. I think Empire of the Summer Moon would also make a good film. My problem is promoting this YT video as well-made and worth watching. It is neither.
It started The FBI ,the crimes were so awful that bigger guns than the local authorities were brought in and FBI was formed. Strange how little certain things change with corruption in branch's vs good people in the branch's. IMHO
A total monster, and unfortunately one of many in the history of mankind . People like these are totally unfathomable to good honest men and women . Shocking , but just as shocking is the way these evil individuals often get off lightly with the help of corrupt officials. RIP all the poor innocents murdered by pure greed.
As an Indigenous Canadian, I know how our lives didn't matter, and why our current territory of residence was slashed down to 24 sq. miles, even through the 1950's. I much appreciate your documentary, which has piqued my interest in seeing the movie - tomorrow!
@@jerushamaxwell281 Like I said, "Slavery, Colonialism, Colonization & Genocide" are all evil things done by evildoers. 😔 For God's honest truths, pls read the insightful multi-page comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism/Chronicle"... It's on RUclips.
@@newyorkerjoe123 May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shocking sad truth. 😔 In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people.. Remember, notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 😔
@@doubtingthomas9612 Isn't it a bit of a shock to learn Native American population in their motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION. 😔
@@newyorkerjoe123 Greed is a major driving force behind Genocide, Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization. By the way, many thanks for the informative multi-pages comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism/Chronicle"., that I've learnt a heck of a whole lot more about the plights of Native Americans than I've ever known my entire life.. Highly appreciated.
I just saw "Killers of the Flower Moon" last night (Oct. 19) in a special premiere showing. Another outstanding piece of work by Martin Scorsese, with DeNiro, Capri, and Lily turning in Oscar worthy performances. Your Documentary provided some much appreciated background information to the film - as well as showing where Martin "tweaked" the facts to keep things interesting. Kudos to such a well written and well researched piece, and please keep up the good work.
In my opinion, it is outstanding. Films as long as "Killers" have a tendency to drag in spots, where I get fidgety in the seat. Not this time. I was enthralled during the entire 3 1/2 hours. Robert, Leo, and Lilly all gave wonderful performances, and the rest of the cast was spot-on. I couldn't find a single flaw, it was that good. I hope you like it as well. After you see "Killers,", could you please tell me what you think of it?
So I’ve been around the Osage peoples for a long time and started learning more about this atrocity when the 2011 court case was finalized. The more i have learned the sicker I get, this story is so sad and to see how it still affects the Osage peoples today is heartbreaking, they are still being abused for their monies and taken advantage off. Some feel people are dying too. The death tolls given in this documentary are so low in what they might really be in actuality. I’m thankful that more and more documentaries are coming out on tribes like this. This was a good watch
Martin Scorsese has finally made a film about the original Crime families of America....White Anglo Saxon Protestant families who murdered their way to owning land property and oil. If anyone thinks the Osage murders was just a curious isolated instance, they are either truly naive or willfully ignorant.
@@missanthrope2 come on this is an exaggeration, there’s only 24k people in Fairfax today in 2024 for instance. Think back to 1920s. You mean to tell me half of a town were millionaires and were all murdered? There’s only so many acres of oil wealth to go around, it was only a few hundred max lucky enough to have had enough land to inherit a fortune worth killing over.
@@missanthrope2 you’re changing the subject to natives as a whole, I’m talking about Osage Indians killed for their oil wealth specifically. Also you’re confused, VP Charles Dawes was not the same man as Henry L. Dawes who the commission was named for. Also Henry Dawes didn’t serve in the army and Charles Dawes only served in WW1 having a desk/military supply procurement job in France, so not sure why you’re getting this history either of them were off shooting Indians.
I am gobsmacked by how interesting and well done this history is. It's about a specific history of incidents few of us would know or appreciate, yet indicative of how native peoples are taken advantage of in general, in the US and most other places.
As a Ione Miwok Native myself (out of California)it breaks my heart to see what other native tribes across America had to go through just to try and keep their ancestral lands.
This is such an incredible story. I just returned from seeing the movie. This gave me such a clearer understanding of what went on. How very sad. Unfortunately, evil,dies exist.
Now I realize what Hale meant when he said he'd 'get to the bottom' of what was happening to the Osage in that Tipi. Hale meant he was going to find out _who else_ was exploiting them, without Hale getting a cut of the take!
I just watched this movie yesterday as its being shown in movie theaters here in Japan. The movie is an eyeopener to many, especially to the American people....the actors were so good in portraying the situation during that tragic period...I went to watch without really checking how long the movie was, but it's better that way or else I would've not bought my ticket to watch it. The movie is historical but it conveys a greater lesson which covers the entire humanity in the current times.
Saw the movie today, 10-22. Great movie. I remember my grandfather speaking about this but not in great detail. He did tell me about whites intermarrying into the different tribes so they could get control of the allotments that tribal members were being given. What this nasty man and his cohorts did to these folks was unconscionable.
I watched it that same weekend. While it was a good movie, three and a half hours was way too long to keep track of who was doing what. This documentary helped fill in the blanks.
Shame on Truman. Hale should have been given the death penalty; yet all the way to the very top the 'old boy network' kicked-in nicely for those killers.
Truman felt he owed a debt to the people that elected him to Congress (later to become VP and Prez) really not surprised at the pardon as Hale was politically powerful and even had people testify to his integrity in his dealings with the Osage.
Truman never pardoned him he was paroled, not sure where this documentary is getting this from. Ernest was pardoned by the OK governor years AFTER he was already out on parole as well. And no I don’t think any of them should’ve gotten out.
This video is a perfect one. It has beautiful photography and beautiful western landscapes. Each person has a story. Thanks a lot. Greetings from Lima, Peru.
I have stories...one man's grandfather was looking for a lost calf on his property in osage county, close to grayhorse. His grandpa came over a hill and witnessed what we now know as some of Hale's henchmen, digging a grave and burying bodies in a pasture. The next day he went to ralston to the barber and when he walked out of the shop, he was shot and killed by one of the men that were burying the bodies.
This is a really good book. A coworker read it first and now three more of us have read it. Can’t wait to enjoy a girls night out with friends from work to see the movie.
Native fifth generation Texan here. Read "Empire of the Summer Moon" finaliist for a Pulitzer prize...by S.C. Gwynne, Scriber NY, 2010. Mostly about the Comanche and the conflict between settlers and that tribe...excellent history book.
I saw the movie at a Theater in Kansas and the audience was quiet during the entire movie. It was a great movie that will win awards. I had heard of the massacre in Tulsa, Oklahoma; but never the Osage Nation Reign of Terror.
Outstanding documentary. Thank you I think there are some things here that I haven't seen in others. It's very important that this story stays up front as much as possible and you've done really well by it.
My mother's side of the family is from Oklahoma. I have been told stories like this all of my life... This is why a certain group of our political leaders can't stand our nation being "woke." We must acknowledge truth and facts. All stories need to be told truthfully.
Excellent documentary born and raised in Oklahoma. I never knew of this story which i know seems incredible however there has always been a sense of lawlessness in the state... even in 2023 especially towards minorities...
My family on my dad's side came from Oklahoma. Sad to say, I'm not surprised of anything that happens there. Miserable memories of how my grandfather was. They came from a horrible life. Miserable people back then. No wonder they were eyeing the Osage. Can't stand to see others happy. I could never live there & I do realize it's because of my dad & his family, not the state. That state & Mississippi are places I could never live. 😔
Hale also came back to osage county, even though he was banned. An osage elder told me he walked in a bar and the bartender asked him if he recognized the man at the end of the bar. It was Hale. He trule thought the osages still loved him and were loyal.
I might not see the film as would prefer to read the book, but this is a story of corruption, greed and ruthlessness..and this may not have been the extent of it. Very good doco. Thank you.
Every video that you come up with has a riveting story about a famous or notorious person narrated in lucid and cogent way. I watched this video for initial five minutes and couldn't stop me from coming to comment section to say, you've done a commendable job.👍🏻 I want to draw your attention to the life of great Abraham Lincoln and suggest you to make a video on him as well.
There’s much on Lincoln. He’s well covered and well lauded. It’s these suppressed stories of forgotten victims that need the admirable efforts of these channels so that we can know their lives.
I read the book a few years ago. It moved me to tears. I was rather invested in it. I plan on seeing the movie, but I will go without makeup and a box of kleanex.
In modern knowledge, Hale was a full-blown psychopath/narcissist. Preyed upon the weak and took advantage and used people. Just a thought, He grew up without maternal guidance and an unfortunate childhood. Funny how he and Binion met and did business together ...birds of the same feather....There are no words to describe but a monster he was. I hope he is rotting in hell.
Just finished reading the book because I wanted info before seeing the movie. Hope the movie doesn’t disappoint. Americans simply refuse to acknowledge this country’s two original sins. Stolen land, built for free by stolen people. 😢
Absolutely zero doubt Hale was responsible for more murderers; but moreover, I think it would be worth looking into how many murders doctors had committed. I fear that number would be far more crippling😢😢😢
Yes, I do think he was responsible for more murders and because of who he knew in high places he was pardoned. One of the best movies that I have ever seen and a story that certainly needed to see the bright light of day. I applaud those who spent their lives researching and telling this story. Unfortunately there will always be a part of society that will think themselves, their viewpoint of entitlement and superiority over others to justify acts of terror, and even murder.
Wow what an informative video! I saw the movie Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend and it was such an eyeopener! Great dialogue about this story. Another American tragedy at the hands of evil people!
While researching his book, Killers of the Flower Moon, David Grann met the granddaughter of Mollie and Ernest Burkhart in Oklahoma. Margie Burkhart’s father “Cowboy” told her that the night of the bombing of Bill and Rita’s house Mollie and her two children were planing to spend the night with them. Fortunately the little boy (Margie’s father) had a terrible earache and the three stayed home. Ernest knew of the plans to bomb the house. Would Ernest have let his family spend the night with the Smiths or would he have kept them from going at the last minute? Fate stepped in with a common earache. That secret will never be known but what a horrible idea for those who came after him.
In the movie, I remember that scene. Mollie came home 🏡 like 30 minutes before her sister's house was bombed. I have a feeling, they were trying to harm several of the family members
It's very sad that men like this took advantage of the native Americans, all over America, I think he was responsible for a lot more, and because it was native Americans , almost it was brushed aside, love the video Paul South West France
I saw the movie and he comes off as someoneo who has the Machievallian/Narcistic personality trait. In the movie there where two types of racism. The obvious depictions of hate and prejudice and the one depicted through William King Hale who didnt outwardly hate the Osage and perhaps actually thought dearly of them. However he had a fake respect and was pretending to be their friend. To me this feels like he's a representive of the white colonizers who made deals with the Indigenous people acting all nice and civil only to fuck them over. He also had a bit of god complex/White savior complex in regards to them. Overall his evil wasnt motivated by hate but greed and power and having little disregard for the Osage as a people and insideous manipulation. A literal Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
This is still part of the culture in Oklahoma's Good Ol' Boys. It's not just native Americans, but of those who are involved in a conspiracy of silence over the forced institutionalizations and suspicious "suicides" and deaths of wives and even children of these men. Of the 10 most corrupt states, Oklahoma is #11 and has a high rate of "missing persons" (no body, no murder). The police and small town mayors/members of city council, participate in a variety of sexual exploitation of adults and minors that result in light punishment or simply brushed aside in...silence. I hope this book and movie inspires others to take a careful look into other actions that have gone unreported and stories not told, silent attorneys and district attorneys. but be careful. a federal investigation will bring the guns out...this place is full of secrets.
Some people keep saying things are fair in the United States and so many other things that are just not true. Yes, it is better than many other countries, and there are elements to be grateful for. Burying the truth by hoping people forget or limiting knowledge only allows for people to continue in their same ignorance. What I think is the most cruel part about this event is the manipulation of people and their emotions just to take advantage. It is absolutely scary. This is happening a lot today and for a long time. You would like to trust that your spouse actually loves you and is not just waiting to take everything you have, including your life.
Their maiden name was Kyle. The only Brown was Anna, because that was her husbands last name. And also, the first wife of bill smith was Minnie, not Millie.
Excellent documentary, with lots of great background info that adds to the heinousness of the crimes that Hale ordered. Well done! Can you also do mafia gangsters such as Lucky Luciano?
It's crazy what greed will breed. Think about how much a million dollars in 1900 and 10 would have been worth today. It would have been plenty to live forever but greed made him want more. All it ended up getting them in the end was life in prison. Thankfully
Interesting to confirm what they say about the Spanish Black Legend, is true..! It is Interesting to note the complete omission of the period where a significant part of this land had been part of the Spanish Empire. The biggest difference, was that natives were not only protected by law, under the Spanish Empire, but they were considered members of the Empire. It went even further, for example the Panacas of the descendants of the Inkas were granted nobility titles. They considered them human beings, worthy of form families, to be educated and had their enterprises. Inca Garcilazo de la Vega, is one notable example. It is Interesting, how a whole period of the U.S. States, that previously had been part of the Spanish Empire has been erased. The Misiones, the arts, the education, the religion that existed for centuries on those lands.... gone! Many of the "indians", when the Americans took over those lands, spoke Spanish, knew how to read and were Catholics...! All you have to do, is cross the border to the south.... there you will find the real melting pot, the one that didn't exterminate the original peoples of the Americas. You will find the oldest schools and universities of the Americas....✌️🍀
Very interesting, you expanded on what was shown in the movie. I wanted to see this after recently watching Killers of the flower moon and seeing it win it's multiple Oscars.
I think that Hale was most likely involved in more murders than presented. The documentary centers around his nephew's in-laws and his nephew's testimony helped to solidify his guilt. However, his reach could have been more ambitious.
I remember that i heard, but i cant remember where i heard this, that Oklahoma was such a violent place at the turn of the century that the federal government refused to grant the region statehood until that time in 1907 when they had some form of government. For all the good it did, as when Oklahoma became a state, Jim Crow was put into effect almost instantly.
This is a fascinating and timely documentary. I hadn't heard of this man until I read about Scorsese's new film. it would be interesting to see some comments directly from the Osage community.
@katiemarie4035 we still have headrights and quarterly payments, for those that have them. 25% don't belong to the tribe anymore. We're still deemed incompetent but in today's terms, it means we don't have to be taxed on the income and it's restricted. It's still held in trust by the gov't in an account. Non-osages could inherit headrights until 1978. They are currently working on a law for the osage tribe to be able to acquire them back, if one decided to rightfully return it. Something not touched up in the movie is the horrible miamagement of the oil incomes by the government. The tribe negotiated with the US and settled in 2011 for 380 mil in mismanaged funds. This only encompassed the years between 1972 to 1992 and our original lawsuit was for 2.5 billion. The gov't couldn't reconcile 67% of the transactions.
Less than 20 years??? Ffs should've caught a one way date with a .38 for this type of crap after their land was already stolen from under them piece by piece...
@DonnellxxOkafor Go cram that sensibility where the sun don't shine, or be ready all big and tough, when they come knocking for returns on broken promises and flatout betrayals of the most basic of trust. Plainly it wasn't just a battle/war lost or won you one dimensional punk. And beyond that don't use that as justification under a video about the designed murder of natives for further greed on what little was given in compensation... Dude removed their comment about all land having been fought over and such, to accept it. Not letting you slide off into the night with that BS.
I think you should reference the David Gran book in the description as it is clearly the primary source for this doc. Seem a bit disingenuous not to do so. Also, Mollie did not inherit further headrights after the bombing as Bill initially survived before dying later in hospital. The rights passed initally to him from Rita (as she died immediately) and then to his relatives.
I have always loved Leo's movies. I don't think there are many actors that portray actual characters as often as he does. When I first heard that he and Scorcese were making this film I had to read David Grann's book. I read the book three times waiting for the movie. First: We as Americans should hang our heads that this could happen. Second: The movie did not do justice to the book. I feel that more about the agents that joined White to gather evidence should have been included. Of course that would have made the movie 5 hours long. Anyone who liked the movie should read "Killers of the Flower Moon". Grann has also wrote another book " The Wager" which Scorcese and Leo are planning making another movie
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Just saw the movie Killer of the Flower Moon. Heartbreaking part of history. Nearly forgotten. Important to learn as much as you can. History is important.
This is why being WOKE is such a bad thing to the Republicans
Certainly he was responsible of the other murders. Such men also convinced and motivated others to act as killers for their own benefit. Otherwise anyway some people would jealous and talked to the authorities. And some who lived and is involved became partners too. Look at the situation in my beloved xobtry under Erdogan', the greatest thing Tayyip' Erdoğan his minister, fanily and others With the exception of the murders, the pattern is the same. The film is on screen in Istanbul. I will watch it. And thank you for the video
Well said , history is very important.
Why didn't he get capital punishment
The movie was great but you get so much more insight on each character in the book. I feel like I got all the info by reading the book and a glance over with the movie. Plus you get the research info by the author and hear of his adventures in his research by reading the book. The book was just as interesting as the movie. It's a book that's hard to put down.
Schools need to be teaching these types of stories. They shouldn’t be ignored ❤
Unfortunately, public education is literally running from truthful accounts of U.S. history.
Look into the black Wall Street killings
@@Jason-gg4lm you realize that your ancestors would be discussed by you? Your ancestors were victims to this type of thing.
When? There's not enough time for good learning of math, national political history, poetry and excellent literature in the school day, particularly since school teachers are so poorly educated. Student whinery and PC BS hamper effective teaching. Plus we now flubber-teach using computers instead of the proper learning tool - books, paper, pencils. The best learning method is "Kinsthetic" type. That means involving all senses. This requires books, paper, pencil, and chalkboards, despite EPA idiocy. Teaching these type films is way to time consumiing in a 30 hour week.
. kinesthetic, not kinsthetic!
Also, way too time, not way to...
Obviously you didn't learn much in school! And then you blame it on the system, instead of taking responsibility for what and how much you learned. Lazy or stupid?
I live 50 miles away from the events of the Osage Murders in Tulsa Ok....and I am utterly gutted by yet another disappointing truth about Oklahoma. We were never taught about the Black Wallstreet Massacre here in Tulsa nor about the Osage Reign of Terror. My heart is very heavy with sorrow.
I live in the South and am saddened once again how the white people have treated minorities. I am outraged by the Osage murders. It breaks my heart how people can be so greedy.
@@karlamoses479 listen to the Lost Poets, bro.
It's the AMERICAN way. Our entire history is a BIG FREAKING LIE 😒
Yup, what happened to black wall street & all the successful African Americans there in Tulsa was pretty close in history to what was happening to the Osage families that benefitted heavily from all the oil found on their land.
Just like the story of Abel & Cain, when the white people not doing so well in life see a brother of another race doing extraordinary rare the same mentality that happened with the Germans hating the Jews went on.
Their jealousy, envy, bitterness, rage, and superiority complex mixed with racism turned into hatred, which turned into cruelty, corruption by white police & authorities, murder, burning houses or exploding them with the minorities inside, all sorts of blood thirsty KKK like acts by regular white American citizens.
I’m almost 70 years old & grew up in Osage county & I never knew about this till I read the book! 😢
Working extensively in Indian Country, and representing many Native American nations and tribes, including as an official appointed by both Republican and Democratic Presidents, I applaud you for funding and producing this outstanding biography. Thank you most sincerely. Every citizen of the US and the former Colonial powers ought to see this.
The Scorsese film is MUCH better, and does not compare OK to AZ, NM, CA, and CO. Why would you promote this crap?
They don't want to see it.
@@TruthrConsequencesBc it's an interesting story with a clearly identifiable worm of a villain.
@@inoshikachokonoyarobakayar2493No argument here. I think Empire of the Summer Moon would also make a good film. My problem is promoting this YT video as well-made and worth watching. It is neither.
@TruthrConsequences well i enjoyed this anyway . So get fucked
William Hale is one of the most evil and intimidating characters I’ve seen in fiction, and he was real.
Yes he was. He was awful and had no remorse. I'm thankful you recognize this. I'm an Osage from Grayhorse.
I hope The Vile Eye makes a Analyzing Evil video about him.
@@jenniferbrumley2746You're a Christian with a Christian name. You guys follow White culture, lol and are at least 75% white
You're young.
It started The FBI ,the crimes were so awful that bigger guns than the local authorities were brought in and FBI was formed. Strange how little certain things change with corruption in branch's vs good people in the branch's. IMHO
A total monster, and unfortunately one of many in the history of mankind . People like these are totally unfathomable to good honest men and women . Shocking , but just as shocking is the way these evil individuals often get off lightly with the help of corrupt officials. RIP all the poor innocents murdered by pure greed.
Only one demographic is responsible for most of the atrocities committed by humankind
Nearly the whole town was involved .
@@WilliamLyons-ym7eethe moron is why we have WW3 as a threat
As an Indigenous Canadian, I know how our lives didn't matter, and why our current territory of residence was slashed down to 24 sq. miles, even through the 1950's. I much appreciate your documentary, which has piqued my interest in seeing the movie - tomorrow!
@@newyorkerjoe123 Am a proud Mohawk of the Iroquois, whose Dad was a high steel construction worker in NYC.
@@jerushamaxwell281 Like I said, "Slavery, Colonialism, Colonization & Genocide" are all evil things done by evildoers. 😔
For God's honest truths, pls read the insightful multi-page comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism/Chronicle"... It's on RUclips.
@@newyorkerjoe123 May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shocking sad truth. 😔
In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people.. Remember, notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 😔
@@doubtingthomas9612 Isn't it a bit of a shock to learn Native American population in their motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION. 😔
@@newyorkerjoe123 Greed is a major driving force behind Genocide, Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization.
By the way, many thanks for the informative multi-pages comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism/Chronicle"., that I've learnt a heck of a whole lot more about the plights of Native Americans than I've ever known my entire life.. Highly appreciated.
I just saw "Killers of the Flower Moon" last night (Oct. 19) in a special premiere showing. Another outstanding piece of work by Martin Scorsese, with DeNiro, Capri, and Lily turning in Oscar worthy performances. Your Documentary provided some much appreciated background information to the film - as well as showing where Martin "tweaked" the facts to keep things interesting. Kudos to such a well written and well researched piece, and please keep up the good work.
Thank you.
I'm going to see that movie is it a good movie?
In my opinion, it is outstanding. Films as long as "Killers" have a tendency to drag in spots, where I get fidgety in the seat. Not this time. I was enthralled during the entire 3 1/2 hours. Robert, Leo, and Lilly all gave wonderful performances, and the rest of the cast was spot-on. I couldn't find a single flaw, it was that good. I hope you like it as well. After you see "Killers,", could you please tell me what you think of it?
Saw it the same day in at regular United Artist the same day.
Great! What did you think? I hope you enjoyed it.@@alexiusr.harris4200
So I’ve been around the Osage peoples for a long time and started learning more about this atrocity when the 2011 court case was finalized. The more i have learned the sicker I get, this story is so sad and to see how it still affects the Osage peoples today is heartbreaking, they are still being abused for their monies and taken advantage off. Some feel people are dying too. The death tolls given in this documentary are so low in what they might really be in actuality. I’m thankful that more and more documentaries are coming out on tribes like this. This was a good watch
Martin Scorsese has finally made a film about the original Crime families of America....White Anglo Saxon Protestant families who murdered their way to owning land property and oil. If anyone thinks the Osage murders was just a curious isolated instance, they are either truly naive or willfully ignorant.
Real people KNOW the death tow was at least 4x this on the low end.
@@missanthrope2 come on this is an exaggeration, there’s only 24k people in Fairfax today in 2024 for instance. Think back to 1920s. You mean to tell me half of a town were millionaires and were all murdered? There’s only so many acres of oil wealth to go around, it was only a few hundred max lucky enough to have had enough land to inherit a fortune worth killing over.
@@missanthrope2 you’re changing the subject to natives as a whole, I’m talking about Osage Indians killed for their oil wealth specifically. Also you’re confused, VP Charles Dawes was not the same man as Henry L. Dawes who the commission was named for. Also Henry Dawes didn’t serve in the army and Charles Dawes only served in WW1 having a desk/military supply procurement job in France, so not sure why you’re getting this history either of them were off shooting Indians.
This is EXTRAORDINARILY well done. The perfect video to watch after seeing this movie.
Thank you.
I really appreciate the beautiful images used to illustrate this story. Their beauty belies the horrific story itself. ❤🎉😮😢😢😢😢
William Hale was a monster who should have never seen the light of day after his arrest
I am gobsmacked by how interesting and well done this history is. It's about a specific history of incidents few of us would know or appreciate, yet indicative of how native peoples are taken advantage of in general, in the US and most other places.
And continue to be taken advantage of in 2024
As a Ione Miwok Native myself (out of California)it breaks my heart to see what other native tribes across America had to go through just to try and keep their ancestral lands.
This is such an incredible story. I just returned from seeing the movie. This gave me such a clearer understanding of what went on. How very sad. Unfortunately, evil,dies exist.
Now I realize what Hale meant when he said he'd 'get to the bottom' of what was happening to the Osage in that Tipi. Hale meant he was going to find out _who else_ was exploiting them, without Hale getting a cut of the take!
I just watched this movie yesterday as its being shown in movie theaters here in Japan. The movie is an eyeopener to many, especially to the American people....the actors were so good in portraying the situation during that tragic period...I went to watch without really checking how long the movie was, but it's better that way or else I would've not bought my ticket to watch it. The movie is historical but it conveys a greater lesson which covers the entire humanity in the current times.
Saw the movie today, 10-22. Great movie.
I remember my grandfather speaking about this but not in great detail. He did tell me about whites intermarrying into the different tribes so they could get control of the allotments that tribal members were being given. What this nasty man and his cohorts did to these folks was unconscionable.
I watched it that same weekend. While it was a good movie, three and a half hours was way too long to keep track of who was doing what. This documentary helped fill in the blanks.
Same shit the Chinese are doing in Africa: Marrying African women to lay claim to citizenship and land.
Shame on Truman. Hale should have been given the death penalty; yet all the way to the very top the 'old boy network' kicked-in nicely for those killers.
Truman felt he owed a debt to the people that elected him to Congress (later to become VP and Prez) really not surprised at the pardon as Hale was politically powerful and even had people testify to his integrity in his dealings with the Osage.
Hale was a 33rd Mason. Truman was a 33rd Mason.
I totally agree
“GOOD”OLD” USA SHAME “ON” U !!
Truman never pardoned him he was paroled, not sure where this documentary is getting this from. Ernest was pardoned by the OK governor years AFTER he was already out on parole as well. And no I don’t think any of them should’ve gotten out.
stunning. frightening. despicable.- thoroughly moving documentary work. Absolutely riveting.
Wow, thank you!
i love how they always wrap everything up and neatly pin it on one person. trust me, this event went all the way to the top
This guy should never have gotten out of prison. Shameful that a killer of this type was let out to live the rest of his life.
I agree. And Truman was responsible for this.
Not only was he let out of prison, he was pardoned.
Good ol boy system can’t be punishing someone for doing what capitalist’s have always done.
Yah the border jumpers killing Americans and getting right out of jail
I saw the "Killers of the Flower Moon" movie yesterday.
It is an amazing dramatization and a must see.
Thanks.! Have to see .!
You guys always knock it out of the park with your content!
This video is a perfect one. It has beautiful photography and beautiful western landscapes. Each person has a story. Thanks a lot. Greetings from Lima, Peru.
I have stories...one man's grandfather was looking for a lost calf on his property in osage county, close to grayhorse. His grandpa came over a hill and witnessed what we now know as some of Hale's henchmen, digging a grave and burying bodies in a pasture. The next day he went to ralston to the barber and when he walked out of the shop, he was shot and killed by one of the men that were burying the bodies.
So sad. I am thankful you shared so we understand the horror of this tragedy.
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.....as well as all the community collusion........
Wow. Just wow.
What was then still happen to this day
When?
This is such gut-wrenching history being told. Well done again.
I couldn't put the book down. I read it 3 years ago.
This is a really good book. A coworker read it first and now three more of us have read it. Can’t wait to enjoy a girls night out with friends from work to see the movie.
It is, I'm not sure about the movie yet. Seems like I'm always disappointed with the movies after I've read the book.
It is sickening that these evil murders were pardoned especially Hale!
Yeah especially since he showed no remorse.
The worst outcome of all
Absolutely
So are "Slavery, Colonialism, Colonization & Genocide" which are all evil things done and benefited by evildoers. 😔
Blame it on Harry Truman, must be the 2nd most degraded PoTUS (under Trump) 🤮
Native fifth generation Texan here. Read "Empire of the Summer Moon" finaliist for a Pulitzer prize...by S.C. Gwynne, Scriber NY, 2010. Mostly about the Comanche and the conflict between settlers and that tribe...excellent history book.
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Amazing book.
I saw the movie at a Theater in Kansas and the audience was quiet during the entire movie. It was a great movie that will win awards. I had heard of the massacre in Tulsa, Oklahoma; but never the Osage Nation Reign of Terror.
It was a great movie
Thanks!
You're welcome!
Outstanding documentary. Thank you I think there are some things here that I haven't seen in others.
It's very important that this story stays up front as much as possible and you've done really well by it.
Pardoning that SOB was a despicable and offensive act. I grieve for those lost to those monsters!
I liked Truman untill I found that out. Gov. Belmon I never liked.
Never
My mother's side of the family is from Oklahoma. I have been told stories like this all of my life... This is why a certain group of our political leaders can't stand our nation being "woke." We must acknowledge truth and facts. All stories need to be told truthfully.
William Hale was a Democrat big wig, that truth should be acknowledged, right?
My father’s people were in Gray Horse, Fairfax, Ponca City, and Foraker in Osage County from 1900- the late 1950’s.
This is what Hollywood should be spending $300 million on.. Not Thor Love and Thunder or Quantumania. 👏👏👏
We can have both!
Excellent documentary born and raised in Oklahoma. I never knew of this story which i know seems incredible however there has always been a sense of lawlessness in the state... even in 2023 especially towards minorities...
My family on my dad's side came from Oklahoma. Sad to say, I'm not surprised of anything that happens there. Miserable memories of how my grandfather was. They came from a horrible life. Miserable people back then. No wonder they were eyeing the Osage. Can't stand to see others happy. I could never live there & I do realize it's because of my dad & his family, not the state. That state & Mississippi are places I could never live. 😔
Hale also came back to osage county, even though he was banned. An osage elder told me he walked in a bar and the bartender asked him if he recognized the man at the end of the bar. It was Hale. He trule thought the osages still loved him and were loyal.
Maybe like. How slave owners saw. Their slaves. Property or. Children
This guy wasn't just a bully, he was a scheming backstabber, intimate betrayer.
Full blown psychopath. Seriously devoid of any moral or ethical structures. Just amoeba-like.
He was envious and greedy and it seemed to know no bounds.,I think he would have bumped of his nephew eventually..
**spoilers**
Genuinely sat through the credits right now. It’s unbelievable. It’s so unbelievable after all he orchestrated he escaped as he did..
I might not see the film as would prefer to read the book, but this is a story of corruption, greed and ruthlessness..and this may not have been the extent of it. Very good doco. Thank you.
Every video that you come up with has a riveting story about a famous or notorious person narrated in lucid and cogent way. I watched this video for initial five minutes and couldn't stop me from coming to comment section to say, you've done a commendable job.👍🏻
I want to draw your attention to the life of great Abraham Lincoln and suggest you to make a video on him as well.
There’s much on Lincoln. He’s well covered and well lauded. It’s these suppressed stories of forgotten victims that need the admirable efforts of these channels so that we can know their lives.
Maybe one who the team around his assassin Booth. Who was his Hale?
There's another book called the middle 5 , about Lincoln can't remember the author,it's an eye opener!!
I read the book a few years ago. It moved me to tears. I was rather invested in it. I plan on seeing the movie, but I will go without makeup and a box of kleanex.
I read the book several years ago too . One of the reasons I'll be streaming it is no makeup required.
It was such a sad film! Now gonna read the book
In modern knowledge, Hale was a full-blown psychopath/narcissist. Preyed upon the weak and took advantage and used people. Just a thought, He grew up without maternal guidance and an unfortunate childhood. Funny how he and Binion met and did business together ...birds of the same feather....There are no words to describe but a monster he was. I hope he is rotting in hell.
No one deserves hell, and no he’s not rotting in hell. Hell doesn’t exist.
Just finished reading the book because I wanted info before seeing the movie. Hope the movie doesn’t disappoint.
Americans simply refuse to acknowledge this country’s two original sins. Stolen land, built for free by stolen people. 😢
Movie did NOT disappoint!
Yes. The United States is built off of stolen land
Nice to have a documentary on something/someone i never heard of before.
Absolutely zero doubt Hale was responsible for more murderers; but moreover, I think it would be worth looking into how many murders doctors had committed. I fear that number would be far more crippling😢😢😢
It's a lot.
Countless by the other government assigned 'guardians'. Descendants of those guardians still have and profit from Osage headrights.
The movie "Oklahoma Crude " with George C.Scott and Faye Dunaway shows you how lucrative and plentiful oil became in Oklahoma at that period of time.
Yes, I do think he was responsible for more murders and because of who he knew in high places he was pardoned. One of the best movies that I have ever seen and a story that certainly needed to see the bright light of day. I applaud those who spent their lives researching and telling this story. Unfortunately there will always be a part of society that will think themselves, their viewpoint of entitlement and superiority over others to justify acts of terror, and even murder.
From 1921 to 1924, guardians made over 255 million dollars. Guardians were around long into the 1930s and beyond.
Wow what an informative video! I saw the movie Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend and it was such an eyeopener! Great dialogue about this story. Another American tragedy at the hands of evil people!
While researching his book, Killers of the Flower Moon, David Grann met the granddaughter of Mollie and Ernest Burkhart in Oklahoma. Margie Burkhart’s father “Cowboy” told her that the night of the bombing of Bill and Rita’s house Mollie and her two children were planing to spend the night with them. Fortunately the little boy (Margie’s father) had a terrible earache and the three stayed home. Ernest knew of the plans to bomb the house. Would Ernest have let his family spend the night with the Smiths or would he have kept them from going at the last minute? Fate stepped in with a common earache. That secret will never be known but what a horrible idea for those who came after him.
In the movie, I remember that scene. Mollie came home 🏡 like 30 minutes before her sister's house was bombed. I have a feeling, they were trying to harm several of the family members
I just saw this movie. My heart ans soul is crying out for these beautiful people. I have indian heritage in my DNA. I have always loved them. ❤
If it's in your DNA it's not them, it's you, right?
It's very sad that men like this took advantage of the native Americans, all over America, I think he was responsible for a lot more, and because it was native Americans , almost it was brushed aside, love the video Paul South West France
I saw the movie and he comes off as someoneo who has the Machievallian/Narcistic personality trait. In the movie there where two types of racism. The obvious depictions of hate and prejudice and the one depicted through William King Hale who didnt outwardly hate the Osage and perhaps actually thought dearly of them. However he had a fake respect and was pretending to be their friend. To me this feels like he's a representive of the white colonizers who made deals with the Indigenous people acting all nice and civil only to fuck them over. He also had a bit of god complex/White savior complex in regards to them. Overall his evil wasnt motivated by hate but greed and power and having little disregard for the Osage as a people and insideous manipulation. A literal Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
This is still part of the culture in Oklahoma's Good Ol' Boys. It's not just native Americans, but of those who are involved in a conspiracy of silence over the forced institutionalizations and suspicious "suicides" and deaths of wives and even children of these men. Of the 10 most corrupt states, Oklahoma is #11 and has a high rate of "missing persons" (no body, no murder). The police and small town mayors/members of city council, participate in a variety of sexual exploitation of adults and minors that result in light punishment or simply brushed aside in...silence. I hope this book and movie inspires others to take a careful look into other actions that have gone unreported and stories not told, silent attorneys and district attorneys. but be careful. a federal investigation will bring the guns out...this place is full of secrets.
Some people keep saying things are fair in the United States and so many other things that are just not true. Yes, it is better than many other countries, and there are elements to be grateful for. Burying the truth by hoping people forget or limiting knowledge only allows for people to continue in their same ignorance.
What I think is the most cruel part about this event is the manipulation of people and their emotions just to take advantage. It is absolutely scary. This is happening a lot today and for a long time. You would like to trust that your spouse actually loves you and is not just waiting to take everything you have, including your life.
As always, great great information. Thank you for what you do.
Outstanding Work
Good doc, I live in Tulsa and never knew about this until the movie was announced.
They have to show these in schools I wish we had these.
you will NEVER see it in a blue state. Perhaps some day a documentary will be made of the terror of George Sorros
Their maiden name was Kyle. The only Brown was Anna, because that was her husbands last name. And also, the first wife of bill smith was Minnie, not Millie.
Truman granting King Hale a pardon is both disgusting and totally inexplicable.
Don't forget that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are his crimes
Top notch narration, I especially love the voice.
Gladly they changed because there was one in earlier videos that was very annoying and difficult for non-native english speakers to understand
Excellent work, thank you so much.
Excellent documentary, with lots of great background info that adds to the heinousness of the crimes that Hale ordered. Well done!
Can you also do mafia gangsters such as Lucky Luciano?
It’s wild how they were pardoned
Ya - wild.
Rich, not wild.
Sickening
It's crazy what greed will breed. Think about how much a million dollars in 1900 and 10 would have been worth today. It would have been plenty to live forever but greed made him want more. All it ended up getting them in the end was life in prison. Thankfully
History is essential - saw the new movie Killers of the flower moon, very sad indeed.. heart breaking... God bless the Osage
Interesting to confirm what they say about the Spanish Black Legend, is true..!
It is Interesting to note the complete omission of the period where a significant part of this land had been part of the Spanish Empire.
The biggest difference, was that natives were not only protected by law, under the Spanish Empire, but they were considered members of the Empire. It went even further, for example the Panacas of the descendants of the Inkas were granted nobility titles. They considered them human beings, worthy of form families, to be educated and had their enterprises.
Inca Garcilazo de la Vega, is one notable example.
It is Interesting, how a whole period of the U.S. States, that previously had been part of the Spanish Empire has been erased. The Misiones, the arts, the education, the religion that existed for centuries on those lands.... gone!
Many of the "indians", when the Americans took over those lands, spoke Spanish, knew how to read and were Catholics...!
All you have to do, is cross the border to the south.... there you will find the real melting pot, the one that didn't exterminate the original peoples of the Americas. You will find the oldest schools and universities of the Americas....✌️🍀
Very interesting, you expanded on what was shown in the movie. I wanted to see this after recently watching Killers of the flower moon and seeing it win it's multiple Oscars.
I think that Hale was most likely involved in more murders than presented. The documentary centers around his nephew's in-laws and his nephew's testimony helped to solidify his guilt. However, his reach could have been more ambitious.
I have never heard of this guy and all that happened. Great video.😊😊Yes he prob was responsible for a lot more than we know.😢
Fantastic documentary! Sad story ! This place called Earth , so sad
There are a lot of people in this world with fancy suits and dresses that are as EVIL as they come
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Being part of the “elite” does not make someone a good person. In fact, elite are probably one of the worst groups of people
Thank you for telling this story. American history never taught in American schools.
I remember that i heard, but i cant remember where i heard this, that Oklahoma was such a violent place at the turn of the century that the federal government refused to grant the region statehood until that time in 1907 when they had some form of government.
For all the good it did, as when Oklahoma became a state, Jim Crow was put into effect almost instantly.
This is a fascinating and timely documentary. I hadn't heard of this man until I read about Scorsese's new film. it would be interesting to see some comments directly from the Osage community.
There are plenty available publicly. No need to wish.
I'm am Osage from Grayhorse. My relatives are buried in the Grayhorse Cemetery. What would you like to know?
@katiemarie4035 we still have headrights and quarterly payments, for those that have them. 25% don't belong to the tribe anymore. We're still deemed incompetent but in today's terms, it means we don't have to be taxed on the income and it's restricted. It's still held in trust by the gov't in an account. Non-osages could inherit headrights until 1978. They are currently working on a law for the osage tribe to be able to acquire them back, if one decided to rightfully return it. Something not touched up in the movie is the horrible miamagement of the oil incomes by the government. The tribe negotiated with the US and settled in 2011 for 380 mil in mismanaged funds. This only encompassed the years between 1972 to 1992 and our original lawsuit was for 2.5 billion. The gov't couldn't reconcile 67% of the transactions.
American justice at its finest. All I can do is shake my head in disbelieve
Great job on the film. Horrid tragedy rooted in greed and racism. Hell yes Hale did more. Have read David Grann’s book and will go to see the film.
Less than 20 years??? Ffs should've caught a one way date with a .38 for this type of crap after their land was already stolen from under them piece by piece...
@DonnellxxOkafor Go cram that sensibility where the sun don't shine, or be ready all big and tough, when they come knocking for returns on broken promises and flatout betrayals of the most basic of trust. Plainly it wasn't just a battle/war lost or won you one dimensional punk. And beyond that don't use that as justification under a video about the designed murder of natives for further greed on what little was given in compensation...
Dude removed their comment about all land having been fought over and such, to accept it. Not letting you slide off into the night with that BS.
Thank you for such an interesting documentary.
I actually hate the nephew more. He married into the tribe and STILL did not care. How dare he.
Truman was sick to pardon him. Guilty be association perhaps.
It’s a big club, and the only way they will sacrifice you is if you try and out them or rip them off. Everyone else is fair game in the name of power.
Excellent job on this documentary..
Why are these polticians pardoning serial murderers!? Like wtf.
Clearly Truman benefited.
Well put together.
I think you should reference the David Gran book in the description as it is clearly the primary source for this doc. Seem a bit disingenuous not to do so. Also, Mollie did not inherit further headrights after the bombing as Bill initially survived before dying later in hospital. The rights passed initally to him from Rita (as she died immediately) and then to his relatives.
Brilliant video. I just saw the film today and read the book a year ago. Thanks for sharing!
I have always loved Leo's movies. I don't think there are many actors that portray actual characters as often as he does. When
I first heard that he and Scorcese were making this film I had to read David Grann's book. I read the book three times waiting for the movie. First: We as Americans should hang our heads that this could happen. Second: The movie did not do justice to the book. I feel that more about the agents that joined White to gather evidence should have been included. Of course that would have made the movie 5 hours long. Anyone who liked the movie should read "Killers of the Flower Moon". Grann has also wrote another book " The Wager" which Scorcese and Leo are planning making another movie
Thanks so much for posting. I hate that this happened and that they basically got away with it.
The Movie was a masterpiece made me want to throw up and cry 9.8/10 🍿
Excellant documentary thankyou for telling this sad sad story x💕
Just watched the film now searching for documentaries ...very interesting
Three thumbs up! Great video. Thanks!
We need a movie about black Wall Street now. The atrocities that took place in american history .
Great Doc TPP!! Keep up the good work
He needs to do a movie now in the Drummond ranch and family who ended up with much of the Osage land.
I love that I made it so soon for this:)