"Sola Scriptura" With Doug Batchelor
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Amen happy sabbath thanks pastor Doug and pastor Jean GODBLESS..
Thank you pastors!
God bless
What's the date of the meeting pleas?
Is this ahead of the lesson? As we are on lesson 3 this.week
Yesturday we studiedesson 2.
hi can you also l flash the verses of the bible on the screen please so we can catch up thank you
I wish I could get one,
I live in Massachusetts.
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
So if ask any SDA pastor they will tell you that little horn and scarlet beast and the first beast are the same...that is what the Bible says...
But what Revelation 17:8 add to this as it speaks of the scarlet which we believe is the same first beast. Verse 8 say that the world will *WONDER* after the scarlet beast. This all cement that this scarlet beast and the first beast are the same beast because the term *The WONDERING of WORLD* is a reference and *characteristic* of the first beast as well
Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and *ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST*
But also what I found interesting about Verse 8 is that it also calls the scarlet beast which is also the same first beast *THE BEAST THAT ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT*
So why is it that if you believe that the first beast is the scarlet beast are the same and Revelation 17 is about the scarlet which is the first beast and the little horn...
But according to the SDA doctrine they say *THE POPE IS THE FIRST BEAST* BUT THE BEAST THAT ASCEND OUT THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WHICH IS ALSO REFERENCE TO THE SCARLET BEAST THEY SAY IS FRANCE*
How is that possible since you yourself agree that the scarlet beast and the first beast are the same as the Bible say...
So why does the SDA doctrine separate them
So basically the *SDA doctrine is say that*
*The SCARLET BEAST is FRANCE*
While
*The FIRST BEAST is THE POPE*
This is not *biblical consistency*
Do you understand stand what I’m saying
The are contradicting the Bible...
That my problem with their doctrines....
They have taken the Bible out of context....
Solar scriptura means READ ELLEN WHITE WRITINGS WHICH IS THE WORD GIVEN TO THE LAST GENERATION PROPHET TO UNDERSTAND THE OT AND NT.
That is not what it means at all. And Ellen White would assure you as she did through out her life, the the Bible is our only safe guard in life eternal. Yes, her writings magnify our defects that need more than anything to be corrected by our watchfulness unto Christ, but she also details many events to motivate us to the urgency of saving souls, not wasting time in worldly entertainments. But to focus on the shortness of time. That is not anything different than what Christ had said or His disciples and all the testimony from all the prophets. "sola Sruptura" is to stand on the "Bible Alone" in our beliefs and nothing else. It is to fortify our minds with memorizing the texts, to memorizing the words of Christ, to memorize the words of His disciples. Foundation, foundation, all are but the Word of God, nothing more.
@@jamesbarfield6870 "the the Bible is our only safe guard in life eternal" what do you mean by that? Ephesians 1:13 (NKJV) 13 IN HIM you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, In him (CHRIST) his work on the cross is our safe guard for eternal life.
"Yes, her writings magnify our defects that need more than anything to be corrected by our watchfulness unto Christ?" John 16:12-13 (NKJV)12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. (don't let Helen G whites writings guide you) let the spirit of God.
One of the great slogans of the sixteenth-century Reformation against the Roman Catholic church was the Latin phrase sola scriptura, meaning the “Bible alone”. However, like any slogan that summarises something, it has been misunderstood. For example, sola scriptura does not mean that the Bible is the only authority for believers. What then did the phrase sola scriptura mean at the time of the Reformation? It was particularly used by Catholics like Albert Pighius (1490-1542) and Johann Dietenberger (c. 1475-1537) to encapsulate three points the reformers affirmed about the Bible.
Firstly, sola scriptura meant Scripture was the supreme authority over the church. It did not mean Scripture was the only authority. Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers used other authorities like reason and tradition. They developed arguments using logic (reason) and learned from the writings of past Christians (tradition) as they explored the Bible. Yet the Bible was the supreme authority that ruled reason and tradition because Scripture alone was infallible precisely because it is God’s word. All other authorities (including church leadership) were fallible and must submit to Scripture. As Heinrich Bullinger said: “As God’s word is confirmed by no human authority, so no human power is able to weaken its strength”.[1]
Sola Scriptura meant Scripture was the supreme authority over the church. The Bible ruled reason and tradition because it alone was infallible as God’s word. All other authorities (including church leadership) were fallible and must submit to Scripture.
SUPREME AUTHORITY OVER THE CHURCH (the body of believers) the word of God.
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Amen. Keep sharing the faith.
Our Lord be with you. 🔥🙏🏽
@@petergouvignon8048 Jesus Christ Himself used the same language by saying "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4. So it is by the Word and the Word only that we shall live. IN Latin that would be sola scriptura; only by the scriptures, which are the Word of God.
@@jamesbarfield6870' the Bible is our only safe guard in life eternal' I have a problem with this statement, i understand what you are saying about in Mathew. The bible isn't our safe guard it's how we interpret and what we believe is what counts. Eg did the Pharisees Know the word ? Can an atheist read the bible, is it a safe guard for him? without faith no one is pleasing to God.I agree with you about Sola scriptura , that is why i could never understand why SDA use Ellen Whites visions as prophetic teachings, the cannon of the 66 books contained in it are complete.
May I ask about books of the Bible.... Who has the authority in the SDA church to ratify that this book belongs to the Bible and the other is not? Why there are only 66 books and not 73 or 88 books?
I will try and give you what I know. The SDA church does not make any decision on determining the books of the Bible. " Before that time the Roman Catholic version has the Apocrypha that are works, usually written, of unknown authorship or of doubtful origin. Biblical apocrypha are a set of texts included in the Latin Vulgate and Septuagint but not in the Hebrew Bible. While Catholic tradition considers some of these texts to be deuterocanonical, Protestants consider them apocryphal. Thus, Protestant bibles do not include the books within the Old Testament but have sometimes included them in a separate section, usually called the Apocrypha. Other non-canonical apocryphal texts are generally called pseudepigrapha, a term that means "false attribution".The apocrypha is a selection of books which were published in the original 1611 King James Bible. These apocryphal books were positioned between the Old and New Testament (it also contained maps and geneologies). The apocrypha was a part of the KJV for 274 years until being removed in 1885 A.D. A portion of these books were called deuterocanonical books by some entities, such as the Catholic church.
Many claim the apocrypha should never have been included in the first place, raising doubt about its validity and believing it was not God-inspired (for instance, a reference about magic seems inconsistent with the rest of the Bible: Tobit chapter 6, verses 5-8). Others believe it is valid and that it should never have been removed- that it was considered part of the Bible for nearly 2,000 years before it was recently removed a little more than 100 years ago. Some say it was removed because of not finding the books in the original Hebrew manuscripts. Others claim it wasn't removed by the church, but by printers to cut costs in distributing Bibles in the United States. Both sides tend to cite the same verses that warn against adding or subtracting from the Bible: Revelation 22:18. The word 'apocrypha' means 'hidden.' Fragments of Dead Sea Scrolls dating back to before 70 A.D. contained parts of the apocrypha books in Hebrew, including Sirach and Tobit [source].
Keep this in mind when reading the following apocryphal books. Martin Luther said, "Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read." (King James Version Defended page 98.)
Books of the Apocrypha
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
Additions to Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch
Letter of Jeremiah
Prayer of Azariah
Susanna
Bel and the Dragon
Prayer of Manasseh
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
It is the SDA belief that, going by what Jesus taught; He never quoted from the apocrypha books, so He gave no authority for the use of them as being holy scriptures. Although many of them were around in His day He did not quote from them in His teachings. Therefore if Jesus did not recognize them as 'authoritative', then we as Christians should not either. Neither did His disciples use them as authority or 'scriptural.' Many of these books contain fanciful tales, and myths, that the church of Rome used in supporting some of their superstitious beliefs. Yet they are not scripture used by Christ or His disciples.
@@jamesbarfield6870 How about the books or scriptures in the Dead Sea Scrolls that are not included in the Bible like the Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, Book of Asher? etc...?
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
So if ask any SDA pastor they will tell you that little horn and scarlet beast and the first beast are the same...that is what the Bible says...
But what Revelation 17:8 add to this as it speaks of the scarlet which we believe is the same first beast. Verse 8 say that the world will *WONDER* after the scarlet beast. This all cement that this scarlet beast and the first beast are the same beast because the term *The WONDERING of WORLD* is a reference and *characteristic* of the first beast as well
Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and *ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST*
But also what I found interesting about Verse 8 is that it also calls the scarlet beast which is also the same first beast *THE BEAST THAT ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT*
So why is it that if you believe that the first beast is the scarlet beast are the same and Revelation 17 is about the scarlet which is the first beast and the little horn...
But according to the SDA doctrine they say *THE POPE IS THE FIRST BEAST* BUT THE BEAST THAT ASCEND OUT THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WHICH IS ALSO REFERENCE TO THE SCARLET BEAST THEY SAY IS FRANCE*
How is that possible since you yourself agree that the scarlet beast and the first beast are the same as the Bible say...
So why does the SDA doctrine separate them
So basically the *SDA doctrine is say that*
*The SCARLET BEAST is FRANCE*
While
*The FIRST BEAST is THE POPE*
This is not *biblical consistency*
Do you understand stand what I’m saying
The are contradicting the Bible...
That my problem with their doctrines....
They have taken the Bible out of context....
They do not claim the scarlet beast is France. I have never heard this before. Where did you come by this information?
L K Chapman
Understand...please
Yes, say it like that but indirectly they do.
The first beast and scarlet beast are the same beast right..according to the Bible...
The first beast and the scarlet beast is the same beast that ascend out of the bottomless pit right...
So they tell you that the beast that ascend out of the bottomless pit is France..
So that is the exactly the same thing as saying France is the first beast and scarlet beast beast it is a reference of the same beast..
Because the first beast and scarlet beast is the beast that ascend out of the bottomless pit...
Because First beast is the Scarlet beast..
You get it now
Yea I never understood how it was talking about france either. From what I understand-
THE DRAGON IS- SATAN who was using The nation of Rome to persecute Christians.
BEAST FROM THE SEA- Catholic church more specifically The Pope.
BEAST FROM THE EARTH- AMERICA more specific the protestant and charismatic christian churchs.
BEAST OF THE ABYSS- IS Satan. Since it says the same beast that ascends out of the pit is the same as he who is cast into it.
THE SCARLET BEAST- IS 10 of the strongest countries on earth who will gain complete control for a little while.
THE WHORE OF BABYLON- IS the New form of the Catholic church in the modern age who is using the 10 countries to it's own will.
- theirs a lot of things that I agree with the SDA but theirs a couple of things that they preach that doesn't make any sense
Winksback are you SDA
Winksback
Are you even Adventist
Sola scriptural the heresy of the reformation with devastating effect on the unity of christian faith
It is the lack of scripture foundation by the apostate churches that is leading to the devastation of the world by keeping the traditions of man over the Word of God. A building built on sandy ground can not stand. But that which is built on the Rock of Ages withstands all the world can throw at it and remains.
james barfield 1timothy 3:15 the foundation and pillar of the truth is the church not sola scriptura
Sola Scriptura is a human doctrine formulated by the Protestants by Luther specifically . Even sola scriptura is not found in the Bible
@@peaceforum1 Sorry no, it is the church who has built its beliefs on the truth of the Word of God, the holy scriptures and not the traditions of men as the Church of Rome and apostate Protestant churches have with their unscriptural foundations derived from Babylon the great whore who has made drunk these apostate children of hers and made them drunk with the wine of her fornications and false doctrines. It has always been the Word of God as the true Rock and foundation of faith by the children of God. The Word is the scriptures only; to be against sola scriptura or the Word only, is to be anti-Christ. It is the combined unity of those who live by every word of God that make up His church and revealed in their dedication to the Word and the Word only. This is the unity of the Church. Anything else is anti-Christ and will not stand.
Who needs Christ when you have the Bible.
Sola scriptura is a FALSE teaching.
Many reasons for that. The first one of all, the Bible you have is because Church fathers decided the canon. Also, if you go to Gospels, you will nowhere find that any one of the authors says his name. So, if you say "Gospel according to Matthew", or "Mark, you are applying to the Tradition and Church fathers. They were those who told us those names. Not to mention that "sola scriptura" is nowhere found in the Bible. Study Church history and Patrisics.
You do know that Marin Luther preached Sola Scriptura don't you? Was he not one of the 'founding fathers' of the reformation? Your whole premise of a so called 'FALSE' teaching is obviously wrong.
@@jamesbarfield6870 I'm talking about early Church fathers, not some reformation pioneers. I'm not a Lutheran, not even a protestant. What in particular do you find wrong? I've said that as soon as you mention Gospel writers, you're using the Tradition, because Gospel writers are not in the Bible. Also, how did you get your NT canon? It was Church fathers who decided it.
@@Glypt0d0n You didn't reread your statement. First sentence, "sola sriptura is a FALSE teaching." It is wrong by any measure. So you would throw away all 'early church leaders? All Reformers who were 'early church leaders?' Reformers and early Protestant church leaders is why we have learned so much that was hidden from view by the papacy. If you are referring to earlier church leaders as in the days of the disciples, then all of their writings were banished and chained to the papal walls of Rome where none but the high priests of Rome were allowed to understand and read the Bible or Vulgate for centuries. So all had been hidden for centuries until the Protestant early reformers unveiled the scriptures to the people. By their study and humility and prayer, God used them to again preach the gospel of the light they had been given. Such Reformers as the Waldenses, John Wycliffe, Huss and Jerome, Luther, Zwingli, Tyndale, Calvin, Wesley, Tausen, "the reformer of Denmark", "of Zwingli and Oecolampdius, we are apt to be told, these were leaders of the movement, and we should naturally expect in them prodigious power and vast acquisitions; but the subordinates were not like these. Well, we turn to the obscure theater of Sweden, and the humble names of Olaf and Laurentius Petri----from the masters to the disciples--what do we find? ....Scholars and theologians; men who have thoroughly mastered the whole system of gospel truth, and who win an easy victory over the sophists of the schools and the dignitaries of Rome." Sweden became one of the bulwarks of Protestantism. A century later, at a time of soarest peril, and hitherto nation---the only one in Europe that dared lend a helping hand--came to the deliverance of Germany in the terrible struggle of the Thirty Year's War. All Northern Europe seemed about to be brought again under the tyranny of Rome. It was the armies of Sweden that enabled Germany to turn the tide of popish success, to win toleration for the Protestants,---Calvinists as well as Luterans,--and to restore liberty of conscience to those countries that had accepted the Reformation. Luther revealed 'justification by faith'. When enemies appealed to custom and tradition, or to the assertions and authority of the pope, Luther met them with the Bible and the Bible only. Here were arguments which they could not answer; therefore the slaves of formalism and superstition clamored for his blood, as the Jews had clamored for the blood of Christ. The Reformation did not, as many suppose, end with Luther. It is to be continued to the close of this world's history. Luther had a great work to do in reflecting to others the light which God had permitted to shine upon him, yet he did not receive all the light which was to be given to the world. From that time to this, new light has been continually shining upon the Scriptures, and new truths have been constantly unfolding. There are many at the present day thus clinging to the customs and traditions of their fathers. When the Lord sends them additional light, they refuse to accept it, because, not having been granted to their fathers, it was not received by them. We are not placed where our fathers were; consequently our duties and responsibilities are not the same as theirs. We shall not be approved of God in looking to the example of our fathers to determine our duty instead of searching the word of truth for ourselves. Our responsibility is greater than was that of our ancestors. We are accountable for the light which they received, and which was handed down as an inheritance for us, and we are accountable also for the additional light which is now shining upon us from the word of God. A cousin of Calvin wrote, "There are but two religions in the world" said Olivetan, the Protestant, "The one class of religion are those which men have invented, in all of which man saves himself by ceremonies and good works; the other is that one religion which is revealed in the Bible, and which teaches man to look for salvation solely from the free grace of God." Wesley declared the perfect harmony of the law and the gospel. "There is, therefore, the closest connection that can be conceived, between the law and the gospel. On the one hand, the law continually makes way for, and points us to, the gospel, and on the other, the gospel continually leads us to a more exact fulfilling of the law." and the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, through faith which is in Christ Jesus,
@@jamesbarfield6870 I don't know why you assume I'm a Catholic. My Church never had a need for reformation for it was never corrupted. We have no papacy, indulgence or anything similar.
So, according to you, writings of those who canonised the Bible, and who gave us Gospel writers' names, were banished? Why do you use the Bible and why do you say gospel according to "Mark", for example, then?
Of course there is not much I can agree with in your entire reply, but I can't answer to every one of your statement, until we move forward with these two issues. So please, clearly answer about the canon and the Gospel writers' names.