I think the idea is that they do that to get his future self to come to them and be killed, then they reconstruct his body in order for that dude to have got there in the first place, in his human form, that might be why he's on an operating table
I really really like this movie. I like that the directors seemed to know that trying to explain time travel BS would just lead to nowhere and just go ahead with the plot of the movie. IMO, one way or another, no matter how you try to explain time travel, it'll eventually become a paradox unless you insert multi-verse theory.
My theory wouldn’t make for a good movie but I think the reality of time travel is that it’s only possible in one direction. Let’s say you are making building something and need the square root of 36. You would get 6 right? Well you would get 6 and -6 but you throw out the negative number because it has no practical use. All the paradoxes of time travel would be squashed. I also think time travel forward would look more like stasis, as you skip through time (relative to you) others could see you in that same space through out time. Stasis also seems like something easier to invent than time travel. I would be interested in hearing anyone else’s theories.
I like to think the rain maker was closing all the loops in the future is because he knows a looper killed his mom and this is his way of getting revenge. Since Joe killed himself he has no reason to close all the loops and the story ends on a bitter but happy ending.
I never considered the rainmaker as purely evil. He was going around killing hitmen and mobsters. Also, what his plans after closing the loops are is still a mystery. For all we know he could be the savior of humanity.
Such a good time travel action movie! It's too bad we never got a sequel to this movie, as we would have explored more of the characters we've seen or haven't seen.
@@Infamous1892 Even still, there are some movies that we would've really liked to see get a sequel but never did. Looper, Chronicle, and Project X to name a few.
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@Ian Robertson It's possible that accumulating a massive amount of electricity and then releasing it into a condensed area can open a portal to another dimension, pretty sure that's why the delorean in back to the future needed a nuclear reaction from plutonium or a lightning bolt to operate. You would also need to have something that can store the same amount of electricity in the dimension you want to travel to so that it can complete the circuit. I don't think being able to time travel into any year you want makes sense
@Ian Robertson Well we know a bit about time like how it is subjective to the individual and is also effected by gravity and speed. So going forward is 100% possible its just going back that is bonkers.
The time travel paradox is one reason why I liked the modern The Time Machine. No matter how many times the main character returns to save his wife, it doesn't work. Because the only reason he made the time machine was to save her life.
Twist Ending: Future Sid still accidentally Kills his Mother during his Early Adulthood, Although growing Up Kind he develops Multiple Personality Disorder which Forces Him to Become The Rain Maker again. Greatest Ending: Future Sid becomes a Great Man due to his Mom’s Love & her teaching him Proper Life Lessons. He starts training his Powers and seeks out others to Help him become Stronger. He eventually becomes a Superman like Hero, Saving Lives on the Daily. One Day, After Averting a World Wide Drought he’s given the Name ‘Rain-Maker’. This Version of Rain Maker opens up a School to Help others like him with their Powers with A variant of Joe ending up in the School. Fin.
Correction the Loopers are paid in silver bars with the exception of 'Closing their Loop' in which the silver is replaced with gold bars. Also Future Sid grew up without a mom and dirt poor in the end he has his mom and a van full of silver bars. Does Sid still have the potential to become the Rain Maker, YES, but it is not a forgone conclusion.
"If you travel to the Past, that past becomes your Future, and your former present becomes the Past. Which can't now be changed by your new future". - Bruce Banner.
I always thought of this movie as a reverse superhero origin story. Imagine in the canon universe of a comic there's an established supervillain, then using "comic logic" there's a time travel event that changes the villians past making him into a hero and that becomes the new canon. Basically The Rainmaker is the Flashpoint Paradox version of The Joker becoming a permanent hero. At least that's the way I saw it.
Great analysis of one of my favorite films! BUT I offer you this- I don’t believe it was “lazy screenwriting”. I believe the director was following the mantra of “Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story”. Movies live or die on the execution of suspension of disbelief and I think directly, and gracefully, he addresses this in an intelligent and meta sorta of way. Just my opinion tho! I would love to hear your thoughts or anyone else’s for that matter. Awesome content as usual!
Oh God, THANK YOU!!! Seriously, everyone always picks at the tiniest things and immediately declare the movie bad because of it. If those little, insignificant things are what make or break a movie for you, then to quote Patrick H. Willems, "you're watching the movie wrong," because that is not supposed to the focus of the film.
It is my opinion that kid blue (guy with the big revolver) is the younger “Abe”. Think about it. Abe was sent back, from the future. His younger self has to be living at this time. He has to get involved with them in the future somehow, so the relationship with the organization had to be when he’s younger (had to be with them awhile to be trusted, to be partly in management. But also somewhat of a screwup, hence the crappy job they gave him. In my mind, it’s really obvious! Especially the attention he gives him, & also the way he’s sorta mean with him, because it’s him, doesn’t want him to be a screwup, cause being a screwup is why he ended up with such a crappy placement in management. I’ll repeat this part again, to expound on it = in order for him to be placed in a management/boss position, he would’ve had to be trusted, had to be there from the beginning, also when he started in the beginning of this type of career, he would’ve been sorta in charge in some small way, then grew into the boss he became in the future (to then be sent back in the past by the main boss. Kid blue is sort of a leader of the fighting crew. But...... I get the feeling the director did not think of this, I think it’s just a coincidence that it all lines up. Reason why I don’t think the director thought of this is because when they (in the movie) smash kid blues hand with a hammer, Abe’s hand doesn’t change. They should’ve had Abe look at his own hand after, maybe open it and close it like it hurts from arthritis. They could’ve even had him do that periodically throughout the movie, like a tick, (even befor they smashed kid blue’s hand)
I thought Blue was his kid at first, that's why he got away with so much. But once I learned Abe is from the future, I thought Blue must be a younger him. But like you said, Abe was never affected when Blue got hurt.
Would be a cool aspect but really if you were Abe would you risk hitting your younger self in the head with a metal door or smash your younger hand with a gavel if you knew it would affect you? Probably not.
When this movie came out alot of people had theories that bruce wilis character was really the rainmaker not the little boy...and it really scared the shit out of me when old joe got erased liked zeno closed his hand
@@writenowmimi Joe realized he was the one that created the rainmaker when he killed his mother...it's all a loop...only way to stop the loop was for Joe to kill himself
I love the background music. I love that sci/fi, fantasy, mysterious feel it has. I came here after watching it for a second time, as it's now on Netflix. Great video, and great movie.
Like this flick, but this always bugged me. "If Old Joe ceased to exist after Young Joe shot himself, wouldn't that mean that every person that Old Joe killed (Abe included) still exist?"
Yes, also she wouldn't still be standing in a field looking where he was standing, plus the awesome scene with the guy losing body parts looked awesome but was technically ridiculous
It seems to use three different theories, one believing time travel is instant (example being the part remove scene) another believing that it takes time (Bruce Willis' memories being changed slowly), and the other being a loop.
The way I see it works is that changes only happen to the future individual at the moment those events happen. So any occurrences in the past won't cease to exist and future events or people will only change once they reach that moment in time. That's why old Joe still remembered his wife and his past experiences even though his younger self's timeline got completely changed.
Honestly I dont really see holes in the script as you said time travel movies are extremely difficult but in my mind I think looper did a good job of not convoluting it too much
The biggest issue I found this movie was that the point of sending people to the past was that it was impossible to get rid of a body in the future but then they show so much crime and murders in the future timeline so obviously sending them to the past was not needed.
There is a theory that you cannot go back in time before the point that the time machine was created. So if someone does create a time machine, or works out the equation then all of a sudden they will pop up everywhere around us
Question, in the movie, when a guy runs off they torture the younger version of the guy and cut pieces off in order to get the older version to turn himself in. By the time he gets to where they want him he is missing limbs all over the place. Why bother with that? Why not just kill the younger version and the older one disappears? Why make the older version come to you? Either I missed something or they poorly explained that part?
@@ravifennec it works in that sense as a means of making contact and passing messages, but if you are just trying to get the older version to turn himself in in order to kill him, why not save yourself the trouble and just kill the younger version and the older one just disappears? It makes the scene where they torture that one guy who ran make no sense. It’s a cool scene but logically it makes no sense.
@@trevordelepine7708 They may not be sure that he will dissapear and are trying to avoid paradoxes. But who knows time travel is confusing and nobody really understands how it would work.
Another big temporal paradox/plot hole is Old Seth/Young Seth. If Young Seth is captured and has most of his limbs cut off, that completely alters his future self, including the thirty years he lived afterward, and his arrival back in the past, confronted by Young Seth. I don't think we would have been treated to the scene of him stumbling toward the address, with his limbs disappearing. If he had those body parts removed from his young self, his older self could never have run away in the first place. It wouldn't happen the way it was depicted and...Oh my god, I just went cross-eyed.
I thought this was a pretty good movie. I avoided the new trilogy because I didn't want my childhood memories trashed. I understand the hate for Rian Johnson but he deserves some credit for this movie. Caveat: any time travel movie shouldn't focus on the mechanics of time travel - focusing on the characters and story, like Looper did, is the only way to make sense out of nonsense.
Wasn’t Joe’s friend shot with a gat instead of a blunderbust? The guy that shoots him doesn’t use a blunderbust and I think it makes it pretty clear what weapon is used to kill him and it’s a gat.
The rumor about the rainmaker was that he saw his mom get shot.. which was looped in young Joe's foresight before he killed himself. Which in itself is time travel of sort. Intentionally so? Who knows. But, the thought timeline of rumors specifically says "shot" not "killed". Thus it's not open ended. It's looped.
@@FLdancer00 It's weird because we know what young Bruce Willis looked like, coupled with the fact that JGL looks like he has heaps of eye shadow on. He should have just been presented normally and let the audience suspend belief that he looks a bit different.
I was able to not think too much. It's my superpower. I saw a love story with some action and a little time traveling. I love this movie. Thank you for your review.
12:56 the film "stumbles" only if you think exclusively linearly. Which is neither how time nor universe work. It's just us: we work that way, our brains work that way, and that's why we perceive the film as "stumbling".
If you can find it read 'All you zombies" by Heinlien, it's the short story the film is based on although predestination is a pretty faithful adaptation.
@@Eldritch-1 Haven't been able to find it though I'm interested. Loved the movie when it came out and told my buddy to watch it because he like RH's books
Man, I've never thought of it this way. Thanks for breaking it down for us.. Looper is one of my favorite movies, I really wish they made a sequel to this. Hopefully you can make a video about "Upgrade".
At the end of the film the kid calls Emily blunts character mom finally which infers that the whole “saw his mom die” portion was cancelled by JGL’s actions.
Yeah, I didn't think it was left up to interpretation. The final scene is created to show that events were changed by his suicide, otherwise it has no narrative effect. I think the way Blunts character was written was to make her a bit more interesting, in that she almost gave up her son. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
@@mikespearwood3914 False this was definitely criminally underrated category. I remember when this first came out nobody cared except for movie buffs. The word to mouth was very poor and not many people actually talked about this movie. I literally forced my friends to watch it they loved it but it took me some convincing to even get them to see it.
Lazy writing is not the first thought I have when thinking of why the writer decided to completely ignore the consistency paradox or anything similar with time travel but perhaps because it gives a lot more freedom to be able to write without those types of restraints as I assumed it is difficult to write coherent stories that are also logically consistent
If the young version of the protagonist realized that he was the one who caused the kids path to evil wouldn’t the older version of the protagonist know that instantly when the younger version realizes since they are both the same person?
The younger version only realizes it at that moment. Meaning Old Joe would only get that memory right then. But then young Joe kills himself immediately afterwards, so Old Joe wouldn't have been able to change his course of action.
1 of my all time favorite films! Bruce Willis is a legend. Gordon-Levitt acquitted himself nicely. And what else can you say about Emily Blounte?! She's a treasure, natural beauty, graceful woman.
It doesn't really create a paradox. It just creates a new time line. If you go into the past, that is now your present and future. Old Joe's timeline still happened, but young Joe's actions simply create a new timeline for the Rainmaker. Ergo, no paradox.
I saw this movie when I was a kid, it scared me half time death tbh, but I've been looking for it since, the ending had always stuck with me, I'm so glad I found this again
I honestly find it incredibly weird that so many RUclips Critics (Film or Video Game) are trying to science what essentially is magic. Most stories, in my experience, aren't constructed with the technicalities and minutia in mind, it's mostly about characters. I appreciate the in-depth deep dive nature of video essays like this, but the "it's just not logical," perspective is getting really old.
One of my favorite jokes when it comes to this movie is the fact that the main character dude grew up to become Bruce Willis.... from a humerus perspective just let that sink in
In the final scene where young Joe shoots himself thus erasing old Joe, at that very moment Cid and his mom should have been moved into their home and depicted as being happy. I think that would have maybe shown how both Joes didn't IMPAC them or the gat men.
That's correct - I think it was a pretty convoluted script and the director probably didn't realize it at the time. The characters were the important thing, not the nuances of time travel
God the scene where the dudes body parts are disappearing is so disturbing.
It is very sick, twisted, and inhumane.
Yep that's why this is one of my favorite movies ever
I think the idea is that they do that to get his future self to come to them and be killed, then they reconstruct his body in order for that dude to have got there in the first place, in his human form, that might be why he's on an operating table
@@mircea1910 no shit thanks for that
If they just want future Seth die, why don’t they just kill young Seth?
I really really like this movie. I like that the directors seemed to know that trying to explain time travel BS would just lead to nowhere and just go ahead with the plot of the movie. IMO, one way or another, no matter how you try to explain time travel, it'll eventually become a paradox unless you insert multi-verse theory.
I like the idea of multiple different theories existing at once
My theory wouldn’t make for a good movie but I think the reality of time travel is that it’s only possible in one direction. Let’s say you are making building something and need the square root of 36. You would get 6 right? Well you would get 6 and -6 but you throw out the negative number because it has no practical use. All the paradoxes of time travel would be squashed. I also think time travel forward would look more like stasis, as you skip through time (relative to you) others could see you in that same space through out time. Stasis also seems like something easier to invent than time travel. I would be interested in hearing anyone else’s theories.
I agree. A lot of Time Travel Movies try to over-explain shit, which can often confuse things.
He probably didnt bother explaining it because it has plot holes or inaccuracy involving time travel
Just look at X-men, it’s just a massive pile of poo now.
I like to think the rain maker was closing all the loops in the future is because he knows a looper killed his mom and this is his way of getting revenge. Since Joe killed himself he has no reason to close all the loops and the story ends on a bitter but happy ending.
Yea that is literally what happened in the movie yo
How did cids mom know of loopers?
@@Theegoaat I have the same question
@@Theegoaat when she was younger all she did was party in the city maybe she fucked a looper or something
@@gusanderson1380 that would be an ok explanation if they said it.
I never considered the rainmaker as purely evil. He was going around killing hitmen and mobsters. Also, what his plans after closing the loops are is still a mystery. For all we know he could be the savior of humanity.
He was a rival mobster
No he’s literally evil he’s not stopping the mobs he becomes their leader lol
Exactly imagine a time traveller screwing with causality.
Such a good time travel action movie! It's too bad we never got a sequel to this movie, as we would have explored more of the characters we've seen or haven't seen.
Some movies don't need a sequel. Would you wanna see Whiplash 2?
@@Infamous1892 Even still, there are some movies that we would've really liked to see get a sequel but never did. Looper, Chronicle, and Project X to name a few.
@@saljpal3 snowpiercer is also one
@@aidand907 With that ending what's the point of making a sequel, almost everyone is dead.
@@saljpal3 we could get a prequel movie
Some stuff doesn't make scientific sense, but this is still a dope movie.
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Star Wars fam it's a movie doesn't need science
@Ian Robertson It's possible that accumulating a massive amount of electricity and then releasing it into a condensed area can open a portal to another dimension, pretty sure that's why the delorean in back to the future needed a nuclear reaction from plutonium or a lightning bolt to operate. You would also need to have something that can store the same amount of electricity in the dimension you want to travel to so that it can complete the circuit. I don't think being able to time travel into any year you want makes sense
@Ian Robertson Well we know a bit about time like how it is subjective to the individual and is also effected by gravity and speed. So going forward is 100% possible its just going back that is bonkers.
The time travel paradox is one reason why I liked the modern The Time Machine. No matter how many times the main character returns to save his wife, it doesn't work. Because the only reason he made the time machine was to save her life.
One often finds his destiny on the road to avoid it.
this would work in a alternate universe time travel where when you go back yo udon't effect your present but created a new world
@@NeostormXLMAX true. The MCU quantum physics version of time travel.
Twist Ending: Future Sid still accidentally Kills his Mother during his Early Adulthood, Although growing Up Kind he develops Multiple Personality Disorder which Forces Him to Become The Rain Maker again.
Greatest Ending: Future Sid becomes a Great Man due to his Mom’s Love & her teaching him Proper Life Lessons. He starts training his Powers and seeks out others to Help him become Stronger. He eventually becomes a Superman like Hero, Saving Lives on the Daily. One Day, After Averting a World Wide Drought he’s given the Name ‘Rain-Maker’. This Version of Rain Maker opens up a School to Help others like him with their Powers with A variant of Joe ending up in the School. Fin.
@@midweekcentaur1050 If he Doesn’t try to avoid it he still gets it.
Correction the Loopers are paid in silver bars with the exception of 'Closing their Loop' in which the silver is replaced with gold bars. Also Future Sid grew up without a mom and dirt poor in the end he has his mom and a van full of silver bars. Does Sid still have the potential to become the Rain Maker, YES, but it is not a forgone conclusion.
"If you travel to the Past, that past becomes your Future, and your former present becomes the Past. Which can't now be changed by your new future".
- Bruce Banner.
Honestly the best time travel explanation, but then the whole multiple branch realitys and that cap america ending ... ugh
@@iceheart1289 yes.
Time Travel is always confusing, as every movie tries to invent it’s own rules.
and then Old Man Steve Rogers shows up in the end...
Hrag Farra Which then leaves the audience with more questions that the Directors have to then answer.
One of the better scifi movies in a long time IMO. Totally underappreciated. Possibly, dare I say it, even better than Time Cop.
I always thought of this movie as a reverse superhero origin story. Imagine in the canon universe of a comic there's an established supervillain, then using "comic logic" there's a time travel event that changes the villians past making him into a hero and that becomes the new canon. Basically The Rainmaker is the Flashpoint Paradox version of The Joker becoming a permanent hero.
At least that's the way I saw it.
What are the odds of randomly checking your sub box and seeing a new vid from Niyat 10 seconds ago?
Hes been uploading more frequently now and i like that
Great analysis of one of my favorite films! BUT I offer you this- I don’t believe it was “lazy screenwriting”. I believe the director was following the mantra of “Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story”. Movies live or die on the execution of suspension of disbelief and I think directly, and gracefully, he addresses this in an intelligent and meta sorta of way. Just my opinion tho! I would love to hear your thoughts or anyone else’s for that matter. Awesome content as usual!
Oh God, THANK YOU!!! Seriously, everyone always picks at the tiniest things and immediately declare the movie bad because of it. If those little, insignificant things are what make or break a movie for you, then to quote Patrick H. Willems, "you're watching the movie wrong," because that is not supposed to the focus of the film.
I completely agree, and I like the way all the time travel BS was put neatly to the side in the diner and the emphasis quickly returned to the story.
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@@osirisjohnson5165 yes
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I watched this movie on TV when I was young and all I remember was shotgun, gold and teleportation.
It is my opinion that kid blue (guy with the big revolver) is the younger “Abe”.
Think about it. Abe was sent back, from the future. His younger self has to be living at this time. He has to get involved with them in the future somehow, so the relationship with the organization had to be when he’s younger (had to be with them awhile to be trusted, to be partly in management. But also somewhat of a screwup, hence the crappy job they gave him. In my mind, it’s really obvious! Especially the attention he gives him, & also the way he’s sorta mean with him, because it’s him, doesn’t want him to be a screwup, cause being a screwup is why he ended up with such a crappy placement in management. I’ll repeat this part again, to expound on it = in order for him to be placed in a management/boss position, he would’ve had to be trusted, had to be there from the beginning, also when he started in the beginning of this type of career, he would’ve been sorta in charge in some small way, then grew into the boss he became in the future (to then be sent back in the past by the main boss. Kid blue is sort of a leader of the fighting crew. But...... I get the feeling the director did not think of this, I think it’s just a coincidence that it all lines up. Reason why I don’t think the director thought of this is because when they (in the movie) smash kid blues hand with a hammer, Abe’s hand doesn’t change. They should’ve had Abe look at his own hand after, maybe open it and close it like it hurts from arthritis. They could’ve even had him do that periodically throughout the movie, like a tick, (even befor they smashed kid blue’s hand)
I also thought that, abe must be a fake name tho otherwise kid blue would realise it’s himself
I thought Blue was his kid at first, that's why he got away with so much. But once I learned Abe is from the future, I thought Blue must be a younger him. But like you said, Abe was never affected when Blue got hurt.
Would be a cool aspect but really if you were Abe would you risk hitting your younger self in the head with a metal door or smash your younger hand with a gavel if you knew it would affect you? Probably not.
I thought the same thing, im sure kid was abe.
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When this movie came out alot of people had theories that bruce wilis character was really the rainmaker not the little boy...and it really scared the shit out of me when old joe got erased liked zeno closed his hand
The little boy, Sid, young & old Joe are all the same person...which makes them all the Rainmaker...right?
@@writenowmimi Joe realized he was the one that created the rainmaker when he killed his mother...it's all a loop...only way to stop the loop was for Joe to kill himself
I love the background music. I love that sci/fi, fantasy, mysterious feel it has. I came here after watching it for a second time, as it's now on Netflix. Great video, and great movie.
That ending scene in Looper made me tear up when the conclusion of events comes to young Joe
When you realize they call him the rainmaker because he makes body’s explode
Like this flick, but this always bugged me.
"If Old Joe ceased to exist after Young Joe shot himself, wouldn't that mean that every person that Old Joe killed (Abe included) still exist?"
Yes, also she wouldn't still be standing in a field looking where he was standing, plus the awesome scene with the guy losing body parts looked awesome but was technically ridiculous
It seems to use three different theories, one believing time travel is instant (example being the part remove scene) another believing that it takes time (Bruce Willis' memories being changed slowly), and the other being a loop.
The way I see it works is that changes only happen to the future individual at the moment those events happen. So any occurrences in the past won't cease to exist and future events or people will only change once they reach that moment in time. That's why old Joe still remembered his wife and his past experiences even though his younger self's timeline got completely changed.
@@saljpal3 I get that, but my problem with that was that it makes zero sense.
@@loodlebop A lot of the time travel aspect didn't make sense. 🤷♂️
I was wondering when the Last Jedi references were going to show up
I honestly don’t give a shit about the hyperspace ramming. I mean who cares?It’s Star Wars. It’s supposed to be fun not logically consistent
I honestly hope that Ryan Johnson never lives down the BS he pulled in The Last Jedi.
They began with you in my comment section.
He Who Battles I wish Johnson had written/directed the entire trilogy. TLJ is one of my favourite movies
@@hewhobattles8869 Take that same Attitude with JJ Abrams. The Force Retconed destroyed Star Wars.
I absolutely love this film. Miss watching Looper. Well done, Nyait.🙌🏼🔥
Excellent film, definitely shows where Rian's strengths are with filmmaking.
He's just a kid and now he has a mum for a longer period of time jeez
Rian Johnson is a good director when he is not carrying on a franchise. He is better doing his on thing. He needs to work on plot holes also.
Honestly I dont really see holes in the script as you said time travel movies are extremely difficult but in my mind I think looper did a good job of not convoluting it too much
The biggest issue I found this movie was that the point of sending people to the past was that it was impossible to get rid of a body in the future but then they show so much crime and murders in the future timeline so obviously sending them to the past was not needed.
Looper really did throw me for a loop 😂😂😂@FilmComicsExplained
There is a theory that you cannot go back in time before the point that the time machine was created. So if someone does create a time machine, or works out the equation then all of a sudden they will pop up everywhere around us
i laughed when nyat said "Lazy Writing.." on explaining about time traveling
Question, in the movie, when a guy runs off they torture the younger version of the guy and cut pieces off in order to get the older version to turn himself in. By the time he gets to where they want him he is missing limbs all over the place. Why bother with that? Why not just kill the younger version and the older one disappears? Why make the older version come to you? Either I missed something or they poorly explained that part?
If I had to guess, that serves as a means to establish the way Young Joe contacts his older self to lure him to the diner.
@@ravifennec it works in that sense as a means of making contact and passing messages, but if you are just trying to get the older version to turn himself in in order to kill him, why not save yourself the trouble and just kill the younger version and the older one just disappears? It makes the scene where they torture that one guy who ran make no sense. It’s a cool scene but logically it makes no sense.
@@trevordelepine7708 They may not be sure that he will dissapear and are trying to avoid paradoxes. But who knows time travel is confusing and nobody really understands how it would work.
This need to be a Netflix series. It's has potential to be something more. I would even be happy with it in animation.
8:50, Jesus that's rough!
Another big temporal paradox/plot hole is Old Seth/Young Seth. If Young Seth is captured and has most of his limbs cut off, that completely alters his future self, including the thirty years he lived afterward, and his arrival back in the past, confronted by Young Seth. I don't think we would have been treated to the scene of him stumbling toward the address, with his limbs disappearing. If he had those body parts removed from his young self, his older self could never have run away in the first place. It wouldn't happen the way it was depicted and...Oh my god, I just went cross-eyed.
I thought this was a pretty good movie. I avoided the new trilogy because I didn't want my childhood memories trashed. I understand the hate for Rian Johnson but he deserves some credit for this movie.
Caveat: any time travel movie shouldn't focus on the mechanics of time travel - focusing on the characters and story, like Looper did, is the only way to make sense out of nonsense.
where can i watch the trilogy , is it the continuation of looper ?
@@lucabrasi8453 I think he meant the new Star Wars trilogy. A lot of ppl hate him for it.
When left to his own ideas he is amazing.... when handling other people's IP he kind of sucks.
Wasn’t Joe’s friend shot with a gat instead of a blunderbust? The guy that shoots him doesn’t use a blunderbust and I think it makes it pretty clear what weapon is used to kill him and it’s a gat.
Lord since finding your channel and binge watching, all my recommends are from your channel... And i love It!!!😊
Thanks Jessica! Glad you are enjoying the content :)
As much as I enjoyed parts of the movie, the paradoxes were more obvious in this than in most time travel movies to the point I couldn't ignore it.
The rumor about the rainmaker was that he saw his mom get shot.. which was looped in young Joe's foresight before he killed himself.
Which in itself is time travel of sort. Intentionally so? Who knows. But, the thought timeline of rumors specifically says "shot" not "killed".
Thus it's not open ended. It's looped.
What is looped?
@@gaila.9852 it's how the water turns sweet and delicious.
@@axiom.ai.obviousbattletank7139 Huh?
I thought Joseph Gordon-Levitt did a very good Bruce Willis impression in the movie.
And he's not THAT far off from looking like him. Don't know why this guy was flabbergasted that JGL was cast as young Willis.
@@FLdancer00 It's weird because we know what young Bruce Willis looked like, coupled with the fact that JGL looks like he has heaps of eye shadow on. He should have just been presented normally and let the audience suspend belief that he looks a bit different.
look at that face at 14:11 he definitely became the Rainmaker
We need a looper 2, showing the sid/rainmaker using his powers for good
Predestination was a great trippy mind bending film. Super underrated. I'll see you yesterday for the explanation.
After hearing this clear explanation, I want a part 2 to this.
💖💖Hearts for the Legendary Bruce Willis.
I was able to not think too much. It's my superpower. I saw a love story with some action and a little time traveling. I love this movie. Thank you for your review.
This channel is criminally underrated
Ooh, looking forward to Predestination, that one's a cracking movie!
Damn, great timing, I just watched this a couple of days ago.
I also thought JGL always looked like real life Max Payne in this movie
12:56 the film "stumbles" only if you think exclusively linearly. Which is neither how time nor universe work. It's just us: we work that way, our brains work that way, and that's why we perceive the film as "stumbling".
"tomorrow...or yesterday" hehe nice
Today for me!
@@ubersmash yesterday for me
Joseph looks so much like young Bruce Willis, He had all the facial expressions the mannerisms and ticks down.
Well that and the face prosthetics lol
Love this movie, and glad to see you do a video on it! Also love Predestination and will be watching that video right now!
If you can find it read 'All you zombies" by Heinlien, it's the short story the film is based on although predestination is a pretty faithful adaptation.
@@Eldritch-1 Haven't been able to find it though I'm interested. Loved the movie when it came out and told my buddy to watch it because he like RH's books
Man, I've never thought of it this way. Thanks for breaking it down for us.. Looper is one of my favorite movies, I really wish they made a sequel to this. Hopefully you can make a video about "Upgrade".
At the end of the film the kid calls Emily blunts character mom finally which infers that the whole “saw his mom die” portion was cancelled by JGL’s actions.
Yeah, I didn't think it was left up to interpretation. The final scene is created to show that events were changed by his suicide, otherwise it has no narrative effect. I think the way Blunts character was written was to make her a bit more interesting, in that she almost gave up her son. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
I can’t wrap my head around the idea that disposing of a body is more difficult than sending one back in time
Future tech makes it riskier to dispose of bodies I'm guessing
Rian Johnson not caring about world building or logic in his films while having nonsensical actions? Le GASP!
This is a underrated but great film about a concept that's has been done over dozens of times throughout history.
This comment is criminally edited
You can say this again.
@Law Dorherty Yes, but it's just hip and cool to say "criminally underrated" for some reason.
Your comment is totally underrated. Love this movie to death. One of the biggest sleeper Sci-Fi hits of all time.
I would rather say "underappreciated". Everyone I know loves it. But it is not a topic of conversation.
@@mikespearwood3914 False this was definitely criminally underrated category. I remember when this first came out nobody cared except for movie buffs. The word to mouth was very poor and not many people actually talked about this movie. I literally forced my friends to watch it they loved it but it took me some convincing to even get them to see it.
Whats funny for me about this is how much Deadpool is so parallel with it. XD
Lazy writing is not the first thought I have when thinking of why the writer decided to completely ignore the consistency paradox or anything similar with time travel but perhaps because it gives a lot more freedom to be able to write without those types of restraints as I assumed it is difficult to write coherent stories that are also logically consistent
This channels amazing for showing me new movies I should watch and movies I need to rewatch.
4:58 I swear that actor is always fucking up in films when’s he’s ment to do something
I really appreciate that you made a dig at Rian's Last Jedi
If the young version of the protagonist realized that he was the one who caused the kids path to evil wouldn’t the older version of the protagonist know that instantly when the younger version realizes since they are both the same person?
That's the big issue with the movie.
It wants to have it both ways in regards to the timeline.
The younger version only realizes it at that moment. Meaning Old Joe would only get that memory right then. But then young Joe kills himself immediately afterwards, so Old Joe wouldn't have been able to change his course of action.
My head hurts... great video watching this movie is a task of paying attention to details
1 of my all time favorite films! Bruce Willis is a legend. Gordon-Levitt acquitted himself nicely. And what else can you say about Emily Blounte?! She's a treasure, natural beauty, graceful woman.
Emily’s last name is Blunt.
My man has been pumping out videos left and right. Keep up the great work
Please do The Cube, Cube Zero, and Cube 2: Hyper Cube.
When you close your loop you get gold
It's the casual loop paradox.
The protagonist does with his own mum that's why he had to kill himself in the last scene but at "the first place".
What do you mean by "does with his own mum" 😂
@6:00 "de-feeted and frightened"....... I see what you did there LOL
The complications of time travel make it one of my least favourite plot devices.
But Looper entertained me
A video on predestination? I can’t wait for that.
One of my mind fu*k films I like to watch.
Cloud Atlas is even more so.
i just found this channel a few days ago and it’s one of the best on here. keep it up bro
This is actually one of those movies where I look past the issues and just love the story
I actually had to pause this video and add it to my to-rent list.
I've heard rumors that Disney is about to close the loop on their Star Wars sequels.
They will gather all copies, place them in a landfill and wipe everyone's mind.
It doesn't really create a paradox. It just creates a new time line. If you go into the past, that is now your present and future. Old Joe's timeline still happened, but young Joe's actions simply create a new timeline for the Rainmaker. Ergo, no paradox.
The time travel was well done in this movie, from parts of characters disappearing, to Older Joe just popping into existence.
When i first saw the notification, I thought you meant the RUclips channel “Looper”
I saw this movie when I was a kid, it scared me half time death tbh, but I've been looking for it since, the ending had always stuck with me, I'm so glad I found this again
I love that call out on The Last Jedi
I honestly find it incredibly weird that so many RUclips Critics (Film or Video Game) are trying to science what essentially is magic. Most stories, in my experience, aren't constructed with the technicalities and minutia in mind, it's mostly about characters. I appreciate the in-depth deep dive nature of video essays like this, but the "it's just not logical," perspective is getting really old.
Exactly. Nobody tries to science away Thanos, for example. It's a movie. A great one. Sit back and enjoy it.
One of my favorite jokes when it comes to this movie is the fact that the main character dude grew up to become Bruce Willis.... from a humerus perspective just let that sink in
It was good up until the point a magical little boy with super powers appears for no reason. A bit like in TLJ.
Well seeing as people started getting telekinesis before time travel the super boy was a given
They called it Tk in the movie and most people had it he was just the strongest at using it
I like to believe that sid STILL becomes the rain maker. And thus, everything could still make sense
In the final scene where young Joe shoots himself thus erasing old Joe, at that very moment Cid and his mom should have been moved into their home and depicted as being happy. I think that would have maybe shown how both Joes didn't IMPAC them or the gat men.
That's correct - I think it was a pretty convoluted script and the director probably didn't realize it at the time. The characters were the important thing, not the nuances of time travel
Another great one!! 🤘 can’t wait for Predestination!
“But in truth, it’s just lazy writing.”
You channel is amazing.
Please do the hooligan virus from days gone please please please
Adding it to the list now! Thanks :)
@@filmcomicsexplained thank you so much your the best😁😁😁
@@filmcomicsexplained please do Chronicle
0:11 not an second into video im greeted with this
I was surprised
Oppressor MK2 is literally spammed everywhere.. even in a movie
Lmao now that you said it, it's all I think of
Great video ..
Maybe u could do
Jumper
Push
The Losers
Remember when we liked Rian Johnson?
Don’t think such a time existed, also you spelled his first name wrong
Underrated but yet worth your time