I appreciate the insight into potential deletion of tiles on the ship sides to permit catch hardware installation. Nobody else seems to have mentioned this. 🤗
Why fix booster 12 chime? If it’s going on display I’d have thought it would be better displayed “as flown”. The only reason they’d fix it is to re-fly, but I can’t see any reason to re-fly.
As usual, amazing update, thanks Chris, you manage to update on so many things so clearly and in short time without rushing in the video. Hats off to your presentation skills. also, inspite of being so windy, the video was so clear of any wind noise, so great job to the editing team too!!! Keep up the amazing work :)
I don't think they will dig as deep as the height of the OLM as the base of the tower is about the same level as the first tower, that should mean that the booster sit roughly at the same level, don't you think ? So part of the flame diverter will be above ground level i suppose
First cryo test with partial fill may have been to test / prove the drain nad recovery systems - ship and pad. Important to be able to drain a full ship properly !
I wonder if Pad B's first Launch test goes well and doesn't get torched or otherwise need repair if they will shut pad A down and upgrade it with Pad B style flame trench what do yall think?
You said that it would make operations sense to have a different set of subcoolers and pumps for Pad West, but I don't understand why. Could you clarify? Is it so that they could simultaneously fuel both pads, cause I doubt that they'll do that for quite some time.
There's a long stretch of land to get to pad B from the storage tanks, if the pumps and subcoolers can be closer to pad B that means they don't warm up as much before going into the vehicle and allows for independent operations
Since Musk moved the official HQ of SpaceX to Starbase, my guess is the new office building is combination of administrative for Starbase, the eventually replacement of the STARGATE building (b/c, let's face it, both it and High Bay are goners a year from now), and the new SpaceX HQ from Hawthorne. It would explain the changes being made seemingly correlated to when Musk made his announcement. My guess is once that building is complete, STARGATE comes down.
Wow, there really is a lot going on at Starbase. Iterative design changes everywhere you look. The future of this place is amazing. There's nothing like it on the planet even from just iterative design adaption. The amount of talented management is wild. Starbase will be capable of launching and catching booster plus starship simultaneously and over and over again. Imagine having 100's of starships loaded with humans and payloads heading to Mars all at one time. Mars could be a viable colony with many surprizes that stretch the imagination. Space X could turn Mars into a blue planet with oceans; earths twin. Stock it with our plants and animals, humans. Build a moon. And much more.
Good video on upcoming changes at starbase. I also think Jack needs to cut back on his coffee at least if he is doing a video. 🙄 Turning the speed down to 75% makes his speech sound normal and not pressured.
Every Falcon9 second stage uses a single vacuum engine. When the 2nd stage has completed its burns it is deorbited and burns up doing reentry. Therefore there are no previously flown engines to reuse.
Ship not having burned up on reentry turns out to be a real problem now because they are in the awkward position to have to strip tiles away to make it fail on the next flight to see how much mass they can save
@@cjking7728 I have not seen a single official source claiming that this will be the case so I'd hold off from saying "confirmed". But that's just my take
@@ale131296 That's valid. WAI is not an official source so it's a claim not confirmed. LOTS of people are prone to passing off what they heard as facts though.
I'm excited for all the upgrades and updates, but 10 RINGS BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL?? How big is too big? The first full stack was already the biggest rocket launched from earth, I'm worried we might be going too big
16:30 "...if they could get rid of all the tiles...": If they could reduce the speed of return they could get rid of the heat. What's the hurry? Why can't they gradually reduce that speed beginning with their entering the atmosphere? If there's enough atmosphere to cause that heat, there's enough atmosphere to "lift" and thus reduce the orbit at a slower rate (i.e. descend).
@@toddmarshall7573 You're talking about generating lift to reduce the falling speed to slow down entry. That adds a ton of dead weight. The original shuttle design did not have such large wings for that reason but airforce requirements forced them on the design. Even then at those speeds to do an effective job you need to make repeat passes to keep your TPS mass low and from failing, a TPS failure on a drag surface is not always catastrophic but on a lifting body it would be and that's what wings are. There are always trade offs and spacex is aiming for high efficiency vs hardware rich and wings are hardware rich.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I'm assuming you know what you're talking about. Why was the Space Shuttle approach at such a high rate of descent (8 km/min) upon hitting the Karman line (It's velocity was 8 km/sec)? Why didn't it approach the Karman line at a very low angle of attack? Why didn't it take longer (13 min) to reduce it's velocity to (6 km/sec). Why didn't it take longer than 12 more minutes to land? If that were done TPS would not be needed? How much lift is required to compensate for drag in limiting the rate of descent (SpaceX uses variable paddles and fins) especially in sparse atmosphere at high velocity? Assume it entered orbit at the Karman Line and used the drag to bleed off the velocity rather hitting that line at such a high angle of attack and rate of descent?
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As our old buddy Confucious once said-😉, ' if man catch rocket on chopstick, man do anything.' - 😊😊
I thought I had the playback speed at 2x - Jack was speaking so fast.
I think the guy speaks as if he needs a rest room break
@@nanda6640 no, he was feeling cold from the wind
He almost sounds normal when played on 0.75 speed.
I liked the pace. I didn't have to speed it up like I do on some videos.
I told same to myself, but also it's good to practice my English 😄
How is your audio that good in that much wind? Well done.
Mic inside the neck thing and most likely some trained software that can reduce background noise effectively.
Great production. Jack's pace is perfect - all killa - no filla. Thanks!
yall absolutely HAVE to add the catch and maybe even ship reentry footage to the nsf intro
Thinking the same thing watching this outdated intro ^^ they sould rapid prototype intros at NSF now ^^
9:57 GIVE THIS MAN HIS PANCAKES NOW
With bacon 🥓
I appreciate the insight into potential deletion of tiles on the ship sides to permit catch hardware installation. Nobody else seems to have mentioned this. 🤗
"The best part is no part" E. Musk
So stoked to see the new launch pad
"It's Allll Comming up Milhouse" 😂😂
We need to have like a chart or something to see how each booster and ship is progressing. Maybe like a checklist? And also show the likely pairings
Great idea. Who is the keeper of that spreadsheet.
Wiki has this
Thank you for being a trooper and reporting in the high wind so we can see the launch towers in the background! And for being “Excellent”! 😊🚀
Deluge on top for OLM!
A proper shower this time! Not a bidet
Be excellent to each other. Yes indeed, wise words.
Great update. Thanks Jack!
Jack, your updates are always so filled with information, thank you for bringing us up to date and thanks to all the rest of the NSF staff and crew.
Wonderful Starbase Update and flyover Jack! Thank you & NSF!
Excellent comparison between V1 and V2 ships. Thank you!
Why fix booster 12 chime? If it’s going on display I’d have thought it would be better displayed “as flown”. The only reason they’d fix it is to re-fly, but I can’t see any reason to re-fly.
maybe just repair practice
As usual, amazing update, thanks Chris, you manage to update on so many things so clearly and in short time without rushing in the video. Hats off to your presentation skills.
also, inspite of being so windy, the video was so clear of any wind noise, so great job to the editing team too!!!
Keep up the amazing work :)
I don't think they will dig as deep as the height of the OLM as the base of the tower is about the same level as the first tower, that should mean that the booster sit roughly at the same level, don't you think ? So part of the flame diverter will be above ground level i suppose
Thanks Jack
This vid feels like eight cups of coffee. Is it just me?
had a hard time to stick on the content as Jack was sooooo high
Finally, confirmation that I saw a part of the qd arm going down I-10
I’m telling you, “Boca Chica West” is the best name for the new tower.
I need a map. Wouldn’t Tower two be Boca Chica East?
Still, the Two Towers …
@ the new one is on the inland side I believe.
Impressive amount of work on this report!
Had to double check that I wasn't playing this at 1.5 speed
Me too.
I think they had too much in the script so they edited the video to be ~1.3x speed
Nah just Jack OD'ing on bacon grease.
You and me both. Someone needs to tell Jack to cut down his coffee intake a little bit.
Jack „Gatling“ Beyer.
Considering I watched half this video on 2x, this is a wake up call to the level of my ADD 😂
Whenever it is, I'll be watching.
From Philippines
Same
Me too!
A great update as always. Thanks to the NSF team
Om location updates with Jack are just the best 🎉
Great job
"Longship" is brilliant. Make it official immediately.
Also,not to forget, be excellent to yourself 😊
Very well done Jack. That was a mouthful Brother !
You the man Jack 🤓👍🚀 Go SpaceX 🚀👍🤓
First cryo test with partial fill may have been to test / prove the drain nad recovery systems - ship and pad. Important to be able to drain a full ship properly !
As our old buddy Confucious once said-😉, ' if man catch rocket on chopstick, man do anything.' - 😊😊
Great job jack. When do we think block 3 will fly.
Great work jack.
I wonder if Pad B's first Launch test goes well and doesn't get torched or otherwise need repair if they will shut pad A down and upgrade it with Pad B style flame trench what do yall think?
You said that it would make operations sense to have a different set of subcoolers and pumps for Pad West, but I don't understand why. Could you clarify? Is it so that they could simultaneously fuel both pads, cause I doubt that they'll do that for quite some time.
Mostly redundancy, and also they don't want to run pipes from the old pumps and subcoolers all the way to Pad B
@konkam744 Fair enough, that does make sense.
There's a long stretch of land to get to pad B from the storage tanks, if the pumps and subcoolers can be closer to pad B that means they don't warm up as much before going into the vehicle and allows for independent operations
Jack on the road. Good one 👍
I be here waiting for the booster catch to make the opening titles 😂
The tower seems not centered in relation to the trench, why is that?
What's up with the low res flyover images?
The aluminum may be hollow coolant lines with coolant inside. That's lighter than epoxy
"Like some zebra arm" haha made me chuckle
10:07 mmmmmmm…. Paaaaancaaaakes 🤤🤤🤤🤤 *Homer Simpson voice
NSF's whole crew is BRILLIANT.
Since Musk moved the official HQ of SpaceX to Starbase, my guess is the new office building is combination of administrative for Starbase, the eventually replacement of the STARGATE building (b/c, let's face it, both it and High Bay are goners a year from now), and the new SpaceX HQ from Hawthorne. It would explain the changes being made seemingly correlated to when Musk made his announcement. My guess is once that building is complete, STARGATE comes down.
how is v3 booster going to get out of the mega bays? the current one is very close to the top of the door already.
They would have to build another, taller, mega bay. Call it the Giga Bay.
14:31 the private property sign😂
I think we might have gotten some hints
Starship TNG
- Make it so
Wow, there really is a lot going on at Starbase. Iterative design changes everywhere you look. The future of this place is amazing. There's nothing like it on the planet even from just iterative design adaption. The amount of talented management is wild. Starbase will be capable of launching and catching booster plus starship simultaneously and over and over again. Imagine having 100's of starships loaded with humans and payloads heading to Mars all at one time. Mars could be a viable colony with many surprizes that stretch the imagination. Space X could turn Mars into a blue planet with oceans; earths twin. Stock it with our plants and animals, humans. Build a moon. And much more.
Wow lots again...
Feed The algorithm!
I think its a few weeks away. Really no need to stress when flight 7 is many mounth away.
I wonder why everyone is so surprised about November! 😂😂
Jack, the content is awesome. But slow down a bit man!!
Nice
I love that you are talking in playback speed 1.5 in this video ha
Is this Macross or something? Really cool!
How many red bulls did he have before he recorded this? Great video guys thanks ❤
B12 is not reusable??😢
Good video on upcoming changes at starbase. I also think Jack needs to cut back on his coffee at least if he is doing a video. 🙄 Turning the speed down to 75% makes his speech sound normal and not pressured.
They better put B12 in that open space between the office and the factory.
Do you think SpaceX will replace the old launch mount?
Elon said something about retrofitting pad A. We'll see what that looks like eventually.
Does Falcon9 second stage use a new Merlin or a flight-proven booster engine with Vacuum nozzle replacing sea level one?
Every Falcon9 second stage uses a single vacuum engine. When the 2nd stage has completed its burns it is deorbited and burns up doing reentry. Therefore there are no previously flown engines to reuse.
No, what I meant was they could re-purpose a booster engine. @@mikegardner107
The MVac engine is different design from the sea level Merlin so nope, they can't repurpose
Nice. I think flight 6 will be on 23/11/24 it’s Gwynne Shotwell birthday.
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Ship not having burned up on reentry turns out to be a real problem now because they are in the awkward position to have to strip tiles away to make it fail on the next flight to see how much mass they can save
Chill bro, Zebras are dope
Confirmed s33 will use raptor 2.5 it’s just a raptor 2 with the raptor 3 mount to mount onto the ship future vehicles maybe s35 will use raptor 3
"confirmed"
@ it’s just what wai (whataboutit) said
@@cjking7728 I have not seen a single official source claiming that this will be the case so I'd hold off from saying "confirmed". But that's just my take
@@ale131296 That's valid. WAI is not an official source so it's a claim not confirmed. LOTS of people are prone to passing off what they heard as facts though.
Just to come back here, Ship 33 is receiving engines and they're all plain Raptor 2 engines. They're so old some of them are from like a year ago.
Good thing I can turn the vid to roll at .75… it’s a tad slow then, but man, if you slowed down a bit in your presentation, that would make it better
YAK
Why isn't the roof of starfactory covered with solar panels?
They have other factories they're roofing in solar first.
It probably will be, later.
Wait… I thought I was here for a Starbase update… not the wind 👀
Longship it is then
At what point will they be named VIKING?
Will the first manned Longship sent to Mars be named VIKING ONE ?
They should have left the damaged Chine as flown. Not repaired. Historical. Cheers!
Hmmm, pancakes and bacon, sounds good to me!
I'm excited for all the upgrades and updates, but 10 RINGS BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL?? How big is too big? The first full stack was already the biggest rocket launched from earth, I'm worried we might be going too big
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why that fast. at some point I had to check if the playback speed was set to normal... slow down buddy sloww down
Rip circular OLM😔😭😢 We all love you, you ARE the GOAT
Lol zebra arms 😅😅 has a nice ring to it
👍
Why is this sped up?
🎉
ship load of scaffolding hey?
Who had "Weird Zebra Arm" on their bingo card?
Don't look down on the flame trench. It's a good flame trench. Its good enough, strong enough, and, gosh darn it, people like it!
windbase 😂
16:30 "...if they could get rid of all the tiles...": If they could reduce the speed of return they could get rid of the heat. What's the hurry? Why can't they gradually reduce that speed beginning with their entering the atmosphere? If there's enough atmosphere to cause that heat, there's enough atmosphere to "lift" and thus reduce the orbit at a slower rate (i.e. descend).
It's not as easy as you think.
@@imaginary_friend7300 What makes it harder than I think?
@@toddmarshall7573 You're talking about generating lift to reduce the falling speed to slow down entry. That adds a ton of dead weight. The original shuttle design did not have such large wings for that reason but airforce requirements forced them on the design. Even then at those speeds to do an effective job you need to make repeat passes to keep your TPS mass low and from failing, a TPS failure on a drag surface is not always catastrophic but on a lifting body it would be and that's what wings are. There are always trade offs and spacex is aiming for high efficiency vs hardware rich and wings are hardware rich.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I'm assuming you know what you're talking about. Why was the Space Shuttle approach at such a high rate of descent (8 km/min) upon hitting the Karman line (It's velocity was 8 km/sec)? Why didn't it approach the Karman line at a very low angle of attack? Why didn't it take longer (13 min) to reduce it's velocity to (6 km/sec). Why didn't it take longer than 12 more minutes to land? If that were done TPS would not be needed? How much lift is required to compensate for drag in limiting the rate of descent (SpaceX uses variable paddles and fins) especially in sparse atmosphere at high velocity? Assume it entered orbit at the Karman Line and used the drag to bleed off the velocity rather hitting that line at such a high angle of attack and rate of descent?
"Even more better" ? Really...otherwise, great video, as ever.
It’s a Jackism.
just curious, why do you normally wear that thing on your head. Does it have anything to do with starbase
Checking out on everythong with Elon Musk.
V3 ship looks so goofy
playback speed = .85
longship.
longmarch, reminds me of a340-200>A340-300>A340-600
the music is distracting