@@qeditz1547 Well, dude also has the divine protection of frying, boiling, streaming and overall cooking mastery. Can Arcueid even cook? I think not. She needs to wait for Shiki to cook
The one thing I feel like everyone tends to forget about Reinhard is that he doesn't even need his Blessings, and he'd be just as strong without them. They're referred to as little tricks, and the only ones he really needs in order to not lose to "cheaters" are the Blessing of the Phoenix, and the unnamed Blessing that protects his soul. That said, Reinhard is more like a "no one can beat me" character than an "I can beat anyone" character, he's effectively invincible, immortal, and all powerful, but that's not enough to beat characters that don't rely on strength to win. His ancestor, Reid Astrea, is far more suited to defying the world's logic, seeing as he can cut black holes, dimensions, and concepts with a regular pair of wooden chopsticks.
@@cielararagi3195 Reid isn't way weaker, he's the 3rd strongest character in his verse (behind Reinhard and Satella), and would be an extremely challenging opponent for Reinhard. Although Reinhard is mostly stronger than Reid, who is stronger supposedly "depends" according to the Author, and if Reinhard and Reid fought a battle only wielding chopsticks, Reinhard would win. Reid is simply more skilled, which is why he can slash down dimensions or concepts, or easily behead Regulus who exists outside of causality. While Reinhard is essentially undefeatable for most characters, he lacks Reid offensive ability to cut down anything he pleases, making Reid seem "stronger" from a cross-verse perspective. Essentially Reid can defeat more characters than Reinhard, but more characters can defeat Reid than Reinhard. Ultimately the questions surrounding Re:Zero's top tiers will be answered when the story finishes, we're still only half-way. Maybe in 5 years Reinhard will solo WoU and A:E lol
Even without that her true ancestor peak form is already a cheat power anyway. Her Marble Phantasm consist specifically as a way to alter reality itself in her favor.
Honestly. When it comes to scaling characters that goes this deep into abstract abilities. The biggest factor for me is how well executed the ability integrated in the story is
Tooru and WoU are independent of eachother, it doesn't matter what Arcrueid does to Tooru because WoU acts on its own will, Tooru just gives WoU a physical presence, but WoU is still there, in theory if either Reinhard or Arcrueid were to kill Tooru they'd give themselves a major disadvantage as they no longer have anything to attack but they still have to defend themselves from it and WoU low diffs Reinhard, he just can't permanantly kill him, but he'll have little difficulty killing him
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 Reminder WoU 's attacks are increasingly powerful, a simple cigarette tha truck drove over did a large amount of damage, and simple rain would pierce right through a human's skin, and it keeps increasing with time
@@hyjjjkyikk3158Resistence is the last thing it matters against Wonder Of U, if you pose a treat against Tooru the calamity it prepares for you will fuck you up no matter how large of a punch you can get, a leaf becomes a blade that cuts your fingers off, bumping into a umbrella will fuck your legs beyond recognition and there is the rain drops thing I don't know if the calamities could kill the guy, but hurting him wouldn't be impossible
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 We dont know the implications that this statemant have. Because, Reinhard could kill Od Laguna, just by telling Od to literally die. He has no chance of beating Od Laguna realistically.
One thing you didnt mention in your video is that its not as simple as using a conceptual weapon against arcueid as her body is natually tailored to gain resistance from conceptial weapons used against her in the past to the point nothing can even scratch her unless its something in south america. So even if she was trapped in another world totally unrelated to the solar system, if she survives her encounters with enemies who have conceptual powers to bypass her physical defense, she will eventually build up enough resistance to their attacks
@@BUR404 cuz she hasn't been there yet. She talked about South America and the absolute most ancient Shinto weapons and magics of Japan as something that could in theory get passed her auto immunity in her non weakened form base(without backup) But again just cause she is vulnerable against them doesn't mean she would be beaten by them even in such a scenario. Since ciels calvaria star ultimate attack had all the weaknesses arcueid should naturally be opposed to like magecraft created specifically by modern humanity disconnected to the age of gods and not gained from the earth being a weakness of hers, being used in Arcueids Blindspot when she wasn't expecting it which is also a weakness and with a supposed mystery level equal to excalibur. And yet it's made clear it would not have even seriously wounded her even at point blank range had she not been in such a disturbed state of mind. But because she was in such a rampage state she warped reality so much the mass of the world around her became the same as her body(in event storage) that is the mass of the planet. And so when calvaria star hit her her body was not crushed by the attack but by the ground as she was being crushed into it. It was basically like she enacted the mass of everything right on top of herself which destroyed her body.
@@MrInuhanyou123 Coincidentally, iirc, ORT lives there, though, it does create its own reality there. It's probably one of the only things in fate that can match her Archetype Earth form simply because its an actual Ultimate One.
@@Urd-Vidan It doesn’t need to match her, she literally gets negged hard by it, also I really can’t call Crystal Valley a Reality Marble as its more of ORT writing its laws, physics and rules over Earth’s, and it also cuts off Arc from using her marble phantasm but hey there’s nothing else to call Crystal Valley. ORT basically screws everyone over as the rules of anything don’t matter to it.
As seen in Ciel's True route during the Retrograde Cannal/Celestial Conception scene Arcueid is basically a sentient universe, a universe that dwarfs human observation with laws beyond human understanding. It's explicitly stated by Roa that 'the fact she always restricts her power to be a level above her opponent is not a expression of omnipotence, it is a mere shackle'.
Arcuied wins. Both of Reinhard and WoU have nothing that can kill her as Arcuied literally come back after being killed by MEODP that can destroy concept that exist outside the Root such as Roa. Not to mention, Arcuied Marble Phantasm counter WoU.
@@OneDragon-ps2pm We haven't seen it in action much; he was able to transform an expanding tundra that was going to destroy the world into a field of flowers with the same swing he used to kill the guy who was causing it. He wasn't in melee range either, so it's planet-scale reality manipulation at the very least. We do see another person with the same ability; the guy who made the sword gets resurrected, and he uses a weaker version of it to counter the MC's ability that operates off of the concept of connection. When asked how he did it, he said (paraphrased) "weapons, magic, weird powers, it doesn't matter. I can cut it all.". He was using a single chopstick as his weapon at the time, to make fights more interesting.
@@thermophile1695 So basically like Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (MEODP) which also destroy concept by manifesting it in a form of lined that can be cut by the user.
In WoU vs Arcuied if Arcuied wins then only Tooru will die, WoU continues existing cause it controls the concept of logic/calamity. Then again like at the end of part 8, WoU went his own path when Tooru died because WoU no longer had a stand user thus not being controlled and WoU really didn't give a damn about fighting.
You might also add that the planet itself have a lot of Texture this said Texture houses myths, pantheons, and have their own primordial chaos like Greece Chaos and Hindus Shakti So basically a texture can houses a universe that has gods and every mythology and this said texture have their own multiple timelines And Arc has authority over this texture
I love how you describe WOU as only bad luck, like it can't just walk away at a reasonable pace and suddenly stubbing your toe becomes as damaging as your leg being torn off.
If I recall, Arcuied is considered synonymous with the planet itself. And nasuverse earth is a lot different than normal earth in that it's so expansive it's true form is infinitely times more expansive making up countless alternate world dimensions and worlds created specifically by faith of humanity itself called textures. Arcueid in her full form has the power to utilize all of this at her beck and call in her true form. And the only reason she isn't officially considered the Type of Earth yet is because she has to settle the battle with the one closest in the running to her for that spot which is altrouge. She will inevitably do it though.
The Nasuverse is a broken power house so I’m not surprised that Arcueid/Archetype Earth won. Tho you should also mention the root of Akasha it’s the main source of all existence.
@@davidarvingumazon5024 basically she's always superior in terms of "stats" for example let's take as a videogame and the characters have stats like strength, endurance, agility, speed, etc, Arcueid will always have higher stats than her opponent, ironically this makes tooru have "a little advantage" like gilgamesh, since themself's aren't that strong but their abilities makes them beasts
@@davidarvingumazon5024 Then Arcuid would be [Saitama Stats] + 1 And that would scale continuously even if he somehow grows stronger in the middle of the fight. Physical superiority is the worst way to fight Arcuied as she woukd always be stronger then her enemy
assuming that WoU's calamity will do anything to neutralize the pursuers then he wins no diff as WoU can just trigger universal threat disaster such as vacuum decay that can obliterate anything at almost the speed of light, the only thing that can stop WoU is an ability that breaks the law of physics such as traveling faster than the speed of light, reality warping, etc, as the MC from Jojolion that defeated WoU breaks the law of physic by creating something infinitely small to bypass WoU's calamity, from that fact we can conclude that WoU's calamity only work inside the law of physic
I knew Arcueid was gonna win, she's so much stronger than Reinhard and Wonder of U by default, they'd only have a real chance if she was in her extremely nerfed state during Tsukihime and if her connection to Gaia was severed, if Tohno's Mystic Eyes couldn't kill her for good I don't see any way Reinhard and Wonder of U could even scratch her
Debating Wonder of U vs. Reinhard is essentially the same as debating if Reid could permanently kill Reinhard. If Reinhard is really the strongest wouldn't he be immune to conceptual abilities like that? We know Satella is.
I don't think Reinhard would exist above the worlds flow of logic since he himself hasn't shown any feats to support that. I heard about Reid cutting concepts but i'm not sure if that has any correlation to defeating Reinhard, unless Divine Protections are considered conceptual. At the very least we know he's not immune to other universal abilities like Return by Death. Realistically, Reihard would still struggle with Wonder of U
@crimsonshifter5338 Reid doesn't simply cut concepts he manifests the very concept of a blade in the same way wou manifests calamity. It's the ability to cut anything because that is what a blade does. Space, time, light, energy, black holes, concepts, matter, souls, things that don't even exist, and acausal beings are all cut by the Heavenly Sword. Rbd is a bad example because it's also above this power.
@@vortechstg4091Damn, So Reid is basically if the mystic eyes of death perception was a person. I can see Reid easily beating Wonder of U temporarily, but just like Reinhard both would just revive themselves eventually, unless Reid outright destroys logic and reason from the universe
@crimsonshifter5338 You are definitely not the first person I have seen make that comparison. As far as we've seen so far, the extent of his erasure is within the area that he slashes. To be fair, that can be as large as continents, but it certainly isn't _everything_ . My point was more about the fact that Reinhard can supposedly beat him despite actually being a weaker swordsman. If that's the case, can he just resist that type of ability like Satella can?
@@vortechstg4091 I think Reinhard would basically resist and be immune to Wonder of U’s Calamity manipulation directly affecting him or damaging him. So he wouldn’t accidentally trip and break his neck or get hit by his own attack. However, knowing Reinhard, Calamity would just take control of a bunch of innocent people and force them to get in his way every time he tries to attack Wonder of U. So while Reinhard can’t directly be hurt by calamity, calamity at the same time will just use his own morals against him. So a stalemate situation Wonder of U has already fought someone who ignores and bypasses his abilities but he was still able to use his surrounding environment to slow them down and prevent them from landing a direct hit.
Considering the scale of the catastrophe required to stop Arcuied would be enormous and while i do think this would succeed she would simply regenerate from it given enough time.
Reinhardt was stated to be just as broken without his divine protections as he is with them by the author 😭 but I have to say that might be the ONLY thing that possibly brings him above wonder of U.
See, the problem with that is without his divine blessings, he becomes vulnerable to the one thing you don't want to bring in a battle of concepts - death. Surely, being immortal is not part of his skillset, is it?
Actually, Reinhardt can't actually die. It was stated that Od Laguna (the "god" of Re:Zero) would aways revive Reinhardt If he actually died.@@FrenchDinosaur
The question is whether he can erase the world as in the observable universe and not just limited to the four nations and surroundings aka the flatverse? But Satella brought Subaru from another world and as Reinhard can match her, it is still within possibilities, as long as he is brought to Earth/Earth's dimension. Basically if he swings, everything will be decided there, as the author already spoiled that Reinhard can beat Od lagna(with Reid)
Arcuied slaps. The Nasuverse planet Earth is actually a sentient ball of reality warping energy that can casually create universes. Arcuied is the will of the planet Earth 💀
@@rampagepotato4307I think I can help u explain what's the Texture of the world Planet The base structure forming around the singular root. The planet is a collection of matters and law. It is by definition [finite] because we have established that if it’s [infinite] then it is part of the Root, and if it is [indefinite] then it is part of the Imaginary Space (or maybe it’s the other way around and we define infinite and indefinite by excluding them from what we perceive as finite). The planet is the white canvas like plane we see in the LB arc when human history is removed off it. There is still laws of physics, thermodynamics, mystics, mana, and matters like breathable air. However, those matters don’t form any particular system and can’t support life. Maybe this is what [finite matters] look like in the purest form. No system, no beliefs, no life. This is supposedly what Gaia looks like without textures. Now, I’m not sure if a textureless Gaia still has its will, but I’m inclined to believe so due to the explicitly stated separation of the will of Alaya and Gaia. If this is so, then maybe we still have a chance of seeing Arcueid or other TA roaming about between LBs because even with the texture removed, everything intrinsic to Gaia should still be fine. It seems that the destruction of Gaia and Alaya need not be mutually inclusive, since in the world of Notes, the planet is dead while the texture lives (while fighting against other planets, but still lives nonetheless). Perhaps this LB arc is a look at a world where the texture is dead while the planet lives. Texture The texture is also an emanation of the Root, and while it is normally a part of the Planet, it is a separate thing from it. A Texture is a system of belief that is most prevalent on the surface of the Planet, and with which the resources of said Planet obey. In normal human history, the current texture follows the common sense of men, making it the Age of Man. Previously there wasn’t as many human, so their common sense of physics is still contended by the common sense of nature spirits and phantasmal beasts, which is mystery. After the explosion of human population, the nature spirits and phantasmal beasts are pushed to live on the other side of the texture, and consequently their mystery too. If the Texture is a piece of fabric wrapping around the ball of resources called Gaia, then the outer pattern of the fabric is that of Alaya an mankind, while the pattern on the other side is of mystery. Anchors like Rhongomyniad are used around the world to fasten the fabric and prevent ruffles from forming on this fabric and revealing the other side, or worse yet, flip the entire fabric over. It’s impossible to make a Texture without a Planet since establishing system without components is quite difficult (maybe impossible?) But it is possible for a surviving Texture to outlive the Planet as seen in the world of Notes. I’m not sure how but it looks like the Texture of that world manages to sustain itself without any resources from the Planet. Since there’s only one human left, the Alaya of that world is effectively dead and the Texture shouldn’t be made of the common sense of man anymore. So basically the planets itself holds every myth in their own separate texture and origin albeit their own primordial chaos and this primordial chaos is stated to be stronger than their own pantheons which of the likes of Shiva burning through the universe, zeus having a thunder bolt destroying universes, also Extraterrestrial beings are way beyond the comprehension of the planet so the like of sefar was able to threatened the pantheons including amaterasu
Archetype Earth wins this one. The planet is basically her home territory. She can cause just about any natural disasters with just a movement of her hands, legs and so on. She’s also the closest we have to a Type aka an Ultimate One.
@@mirzapramudya1580 Arc is the closest Earth has to a Type. Although ORT being a true Ultimate One and a Planet Eater/Starry Invader It probably isn’t aligned with the other Types, and is the strongest in Type Moon.
@@Gareth-daupsetpuppyWell, the reason why Arcuied is not Type:Earth of our planet is because her sister is also candidate. (Alterouge Brunested) This makes it that they are two Type Candidate but only one could be the true Type:Earth. This is why She mostly called ArcheType:Earth, simply because she hasn't become the true Type:Earth.
@@MrInuhanyou123 I don't think so. Because as long as Alterouge still exist and they haven't fight it out to see who can become The true Type:Earth. Arcuied still gonna be ArcheType:Earth. It isn't set in stone that Arcuied will always the Type:Earth simply because Alterouge is her equal or in someway superior to Arcuied. To give you context on how strong Alterouge is, She tames primate murder. Yeah, she tames a beast that needs 7 Counter guardian to manage all by herself and we haven't even seen her full power. But we can at least estimate that, of all Dead Apostle ancestor or True Ancestor, She is one of the person Arcuied considered a threat.
So it looks like you actually read the Tsukihime remake, really cool. Honestly, I wasn't very surprised by the end of the video, Arcueid is just too overpower😅, I have no doubt about that and are you still going to make a video of Othinus vs Arcueid? and if you want another character with some extremely strong ability, try to see a little about Yhwach from Bleach, he has one of the most absurd hax I've ever seen. In fact, Bleach in general has very strong characters, it's a shame it's very underestimated by most people.
I plan on doing Toaru universe vs Nasuverse video in the future in which Othinus vs Archtype Earth will be brought up But as you can tell, a video like this is has a lot going on and is gonna take some time And yeah, I have a video in mind for Yhwwch
@@BUR404 Wait, do you plan to make a single video just about Toaru vs Nasuverse? This would definitely be a video that would require a lot of work but it would be really cool, it would literally be my two favorite series in one video
@@BUR404If you do Toaru Vs. Type-Moon it's worth including Sefar, the White Titan, in your analysis since she has one of the most broken abilities to come out of TM's canon. Magical Energy Absorption/Civilization Corrosion is ridiculous considering Sefar does it passively and unconditionally, wiping out concepts entirely and turning it into durability. There is also a Theory according to in character statements from Titan Altera (Sefar's normal state) that she was the strongest of her species, and may be an Archetype/Ultimate One candidate.
I agree with arc winning only because she's still tied down to earth. Alot of her crazier feats rely on her having earths backing to drip feed her more power as the situation demands. If she's anywhere thats not her planet, or a space she created personally, she's able to access the full scope of her abilities, but loses what lets her come back if she dies. Rein aint beating her because he actually lacks alot of the firepower that his predecessor had access to, outside of a weaker version of it locked to his sword. He's tanky af though and arc would certainly have fun trying to beat him up. As soon as the stands user is gone, WoU dips. He doesnt even care for fighting and has no inclination to continue doing so once its reason for doing so is gone.
Remember tho that this only applies to nerfed arcueid aka base arcueid. True Arcueid aka Archetype earth can use her full power anywhere because AE does not depend on the back up phenomenon. She just uses all of Earth's power all at once without restriction. This also matters more because AE is the form arc will take when she becomes the type of earth after she beats altrouge. So just like ORT which can move from planet to planet and impose its own territory onto the world it's inhabiting so too AE should be able to impose the reality of the earth onto other planets
@MrInuhanyou123 Yeah, but those were pre-rework requirements. We don't know if defeating her sister still nets her that freedom, or if it's even guaranteed that she can defeat her anymore. Type earth isn't a form that she can take at any time under her own will, nor is it one she even wants to take, so it isn't something worth considering in the equation, it's just a possibility, and an extremely low one at that. What matters is that once she's in a neutral zone, she loses earth's restrictions and it's blessings, meaning she both at full power(theoretically) and vulnerable to actual defeat, reviving with less power notwithstanding. I still believe she beats rein simply because he doesn't have access to the power needed to permanently put her down like Reid does, aside from a weaker version tied to his sword. He can tank just as hard as she can, especially since the blessings he already has aren't restricted to earth, he simply wouldn't be able to get new ones on the fly. It's just that we KNOW arc has some damn good firepower, but we can't say the same for rein because re:zero refuses to elaborate on his potential aside from vague statements like "he can fight the sun and win", or "he can fight satella to a standstill, but can't kill her". Fucker probably uses Iframes to survive whatever she throws at him for all of the information we have about his feats.
That doesn't work.Od Laguna can only give him DP for general abilities existing within the verse.He can't get super specific DP otherwise he's be able to nullify effects of Authorities. Infact,in wrath IF his DP were temporarily cutoff by a Magic Circle which allowed Cecilus to fight him toe to toe.
She didn't turn him into mist. She used the vapor/atmosphere to turn Roa's environment into a 2-D plane/vacuum and sliced through it. Roa couldn't dodge it and he only survived because Arc was nerfed and their confrontation happened during a full moon.
@@kcold3277 yes arc was heavily weakened even prior to tsukihime but then in arc route gets killed by shiki and is like running on 5 percent of her power the whole time
@kcold3277 I meant it metaphorically as in: her vacuum blades shredded him so much that all that remained was stains on the wall hence mist. Although actually Roa regenerated from the feet left behind you get the idea
@@BUR404 jugganoth from kill six billion demons is certainly immovable object, juggernaut from DC is probably also good choice and Zeref from Fairy Tail due to his Curse
@@BUR404 Will you do stuff like The arsenals(characters with alot of powers like rimuru,medaka? And others) The Pugilist(fighters,like baki more physical and pure brute strength types)
We dont know exacly how the Dragon Sword works, but it seems to be some kind of reality manipulation/concept destruction, so dismissing his ability to kill the other people here seems a little quick. Although, the author has stated that the dragon sword cant bypass Satella's immortality, and while we don't know how that works either , the fact that something exists that can block it is a potential argument that Arcuied cant be killed, the other guy should be vulnerable; Satella's power comes from her Authorities, which are the antithesis of the world, to the point where the world cant collect your soul after you die if you have one. Hence, their abilities wouldn't be under "the world's logic".
it's fully possible that some authorities are immune to the dragon sword and reid's cutting ability, similar to how divine protections work it really seems like authorities as a whole just bypass all other effects
@@Vae1769 Most likely, any authority more powerful than Reid's authority (I'm assuming it's an authority until its true nature is revealed) is protected from it. And it's not surprising that Satella's power is stronger than his.
@@lehyplay6961 We haven't seen anyone else develop conceptual abilities from skill alone. We know there are at least 9 authorities, there could be more.
@@thermophile1695 There can't be more than 9 authorities since they were only 9 seven deadly sins in history. 8 initially but melancholy and vanity were mixed with sloth and pride and envy was added making the 7 we know today. Also Beatrice has never detected any witch miasma coming from him. If Reid had the divine protection of the sword saint (or any other divine protection) when he was alive, he couldn't possibly have an authority because it's impossible to get an authority if you have a divine protection. And the biggest clue as to why he can't have one is his book of the dead. Anyone with an authority is the opposite of the world and won't get their soul taken by od laguna when they die. Reid is only able to be summoned to his floor in the tower because all of his information in his book of the dead is taken to resurrect him (that's why it was empty when subaru looked at it the first time and was what caused him to be taken over by Louis).
The winner: me. Reinhard has some nifty tricks, but ultimately, all he has is invincibility. I lack the means to slay him, but restraining him indefinitely ought to be childsplay. As for the other peasant, what concern is he? Ultimately, they are but children playing with toys. No worse than pest animals.
The world of lugunica does have a power that makes the world go to ones own favour (Priscilla's incredible luck) which i dont remember if its a divine protection or not, but if it is then when Reinhardt gets it his every move will bring him out of the calamaties wonder of u brings him into
Ah I’ve waited for your return and this video definitely didn’t disappoint. A Blonde Sexy Vampire Wins as a DIO Fan I approve of this outcome. This is a type of Battle where it truly does depend on circumstances as certain scenarios lead to very different outcomes. I have to agree Unfortunately Tooru stands no chance most times she’s just on a whole other level entirely. However I do Like how most scenarios Both of them completely dog walk Reinhard tho lol it’s satisfying as so many Re Zero fans rate Their characters on levels stupidly higher than they actually are. I’ve seen Re Zero and JoJo don’t know anything about the third one might have to check it out seems to have some incredibly interesting *PLOT* 👀
@@ajharris2690she’s been literally cut up to seventeen body pieces and reformed herself back together with a different kind of concept. That was just a normal Arcueid by the way, but this one is Archetype Earth, the literal brain of the planet that can cause any form of natural disaster that has happened on Earth and can utilize it to be something more dangerous.
Nasuverse Earth is a like universe in itself which consists of record (powers) of each and every organism whether god, human, hero or vampire that has existed, exists and will exist on the planet along with records of parallel versions of the planets. Earth is like a supercomputer which has access to each and every file thay exists within it and is in network with its parallel counterparts. Different Mythological pantheons exists on same planet but on different textures at same time which accounts for different yet true creation myths of different mythologies. Arcuied is basically the antivirus firewall system in this planetary supercomputer network grid and Archetype Earth is basically the programming system. A Type is modelled after a planet's dominant species but due to planet's disdain for humans, Arcuied turned out to be vampire, hinting Type Moon's parasitic nature with the planet. Type Moon made True Ancestors on planet's behalf and tailor made Arcuied solely to be the vessel of the planet's will. WoU and Reinhard will be treated as viruses with the planet's system and planet will employ natural calamities, then A-Ray Nature Spirits, then summon Heroic Spirits from past and future then True Ancestors, then Arcuied herself will deployed against the threat. Olga Marie's Black Hole was a compressed dark matter ball with immense gravitational pull which was used to destroy a remnant of a Lostbelt, a mythological texture with conceptual weight of a galaxy, which was weathered by Wodime's Sirius Light. Same dark matter bullets were used by Gun God in Black Barrel to annihilate lesser Types such Type Mars and Type Venus in two-three shots, and Mash to destroy Lostbelt Mechanical God Zeus, Athena and Demeter in single shot.A Black Barrel Bullet should be enough for WoU and Reinhardt.
Also Gaias will/authority don't only covers the planet it also reach to other universe with multiple galaxies seeing Space Ishtar very being Spoilers for Lb7 Even without Gaia/CF intervention she is strong enough to fight an Ultimate One that don't have the same concept of death and being stand above to every pantheon of God's in the planet And that was a different version of Arc and More inferior due to no CF
Please do shiki(ryougi and/or tohno) against touma, would make for an interesting video. Imagine Breaker vs MEODP, that's been something I've been wanting to see covered for decades.
14:00 Now that I think about it, isn't Muramasa (FGO) a counter to all three of them? (Well, at least if he gets the opportunity to actually swing his sword.)
Oh you should do one with character who can revive themselves infinitely maybe include Subaru in there too along with other characters he might have a chance to beat like the dude from erased
The reason why ORT might be able to beat Arcued is due to it being an Alien deploying a Reality Marble. All Ultimate Ones can "taint" the world, as shown by NOTES, Archetype Earth should be no exeption, she could likely cut off Reinhearts blessings. As for Wonder of U, will it even work on her to begin with? King Arthur could dodge a Causality Reversing attack with High Luck and Instinct. So could Arcued just evade calamity all together?Arcueds Mystic Eyes may also work, otherwise targeting it and locking it inside a Reality Marble would be the best choice. Reality Marbles can contain an Outer God, so Arcued could very well contain it inside a system she controlls fully, removing "chance", as if it were a Laplace Demon and then destroying it.
you know what all three of them broken powers ,one has power to have all power, another has full control over earth , another has fate altering power ,them being near each other will cause an incursion (dr.strange\spider-verse type). the end
imo the most powerful ability i have seen in fiction is Severance, the power to deconstruct reality into variables (both physical and abstract) effectively able to erase all of existence and rebuild it, it's a power that dwells in the realm of metaphysics, embodying the notion of all is one and one is all
What do you think of this match up for a video some day? Between two extremely powerful main characters who make their cosmology verses tremble before their presence when their powers are fully unleashed. Here is my presentation to you. Anos Voldigoad the reincarnated Demon King from The Misfet of Demon Academy. Versus. Wang Ling the reincarnated Emperor who decided to be reborn to live a ordinary life and makes all the gods tremble before his power from The Daily Life of the Immortal King. These two reincarnated characters are known as the greatest forces of their worlds but who is truly greater then the other?
Perhaps, I haven’t watched or read The Daily Life of the Immortal king so my knowledge of it is lacking However, I do plan on covering Anos at some point
types seem to be able to corrupt planetary realities into their own with their presence. If type earth was on a different dimension or planet and wasnt stopped theirs a good chance she would simply corrupts the space around her into earth and then the same thing that would happen on earth happens anywhere that cant resist such a ability. Ie od Laguna would need to directly fight against her but since they not in this fight and they may not even be able to do so i still see type moon winning mid diff
Type Moon is personification of sentient will of the Moon and has parasitic relationship with Earth which he fulfills by manufacturing True Ancestors for the Earth. Arcuied was tailor made by Type Moon to be vessel of the Earth's will and sole candidate for Archetype Earth. Type Mars is personification of sentient will of Mars which shot down by Gun God's Black Barrel which consists of pseudo-dark matter bullets which enforces the very concept of Life, Death, Weakness and Lifespan upon the target and was then destroyed Ado Edem's Slash Emperor which can destroy the very order of natural world. Type Moon has also same type of abilities as Ado Edem but reverse and more stronger. Arcuied in terminal of Type Moon on Earth to be the planet's vessel. She can naturally control the satellite and planet simultaneously.
Arcueid: Gets stronger because the Moon is closer to Earth She's a True Ancestor, they literally came to Earth from the Moon, and her Father was Crimson Moon
If I can ask, what would your opinion on comparing Wonder of U with Fuuko Izumo, the 'Unluck' Negator? You mentioned that one of the only ways to defeat or even harm Wonder of U are attacks or abilities that negate or ignore the laws of reality itself... and Negators in Undead x Unluck specialize in that, with Fuuko negating an individual's luck. Especially considering what goes on in the manga and... well, how the power system is structured. Trying to avoid spoilers here for those who want to watch the anime.
I don’t remember much about Undead Unluck but doesn’t the protagonist need to touch a target for the unluck to be inflicted? If so, I don’t think she’d be able to close in on Tooru since his ability is passive. Go Beyond could bypass Calamity but even that struggled to beat Tooru, Josuke also almost died several times and needed a very specific stand ability in support of his own to defeat Tooru. Sure, Undead Unluck characters may be able to bypass Calamity, but it would still be tough as hell and require teamwork and maybe a couple sacrifices
@@BUR404 Fuuko's abilities evolved from the start. A lot. And this is without the question of whether or not Unluck would take priority in the flow of Calamity, be worked into it, or be overridden by it (I would assume more the first, given the nature of Negator abilities being a negation of the rules of the world). Multiple heavy spoilers below as well as lots of text, read at your own risk. Fuuko has learned how to imbue objects with Unluck if she has an emotional attachment to them. The normal means of doing so (Bad Bullet) might not be able to do much against Wonder of U but Memento Bullet would be an assured killshot. Memento Bullet works via imbuing an object that Fuuko feels a strong attatchment to with Unluck (which she can seemingly unknowingly do). Then, when someone directly touches the object, the Unluck is imparted onto them. And due to Unluck, and Negator Abilities in general, being linked to the soul (To the point where they had to escape an Unluck event by forcing someone's soul out of their body to avoid them being killed and having them return to their body after the event finished, as there was no escaping it until it concluded), it's likely that Wonder of U would be affected just as much, as stand abilities seem linked to the spirit and the user, and UMA, incarnations of the 'Rules' of the world, are just as vulnerable to Unluck as humans. In addition, Fuuko's Unluck abilities rely on circumstance and the world around them, especially as time goes on and she learns how to create unlucky incidents that have non-fatal results (like trapping Victor, Andy's previous personality, in a specialized capture container that was revealed after he was imbued with Unluck after a previous attack reduced him to a head (it's a long story)). Even before her abilities evolved, in her and Andy's fight alongside Gina, they were able to get past her Unchange barrier through said Unluck causing her to be blasted by a laser, something that ignored Unchange's protection (Unchange forcibly stops the 'change' of objects the user designates. Gina can allow light through Unchanging air, however, to allow her to see outside her barriers). And all of this is WITHOUT Andy, the Undead Negator (any possible chance of death is negated, even the smallest cuts heal up). If Andy's involved, Wonder of U's chances of victory go down significantly as Andy can tank fatal actions Wonder of U inflicts. In fact, given that his goal is to die, he'd likely be fired up even if on his own, plowing through an escalating amount of horrible events. Even atomizing his body would likely only slow him down since, as mentioned before, Negator Abilities are linked to the soul and Andy, as his previous identity as Victor, has survived the world being completely destroyed over 90 times. As we've brought up other negators in a group as well, there's also the fact that Fuuko, Andy, and the Union and Under (two organizations within the setting) went up against Uma Spring Stage 3, which has a very potent defensive ability, where attempting to attack or hurt UMA Spring will result in the victim being turned into cherry blossoms. However, it was able to be affected by attacks that hit it as a consequence instead of direct action. The only person unaffected in any way was Fuuko, as she and UMA Spring were engaged in competition (with the loser dying). If Wonder of U would follow similar rules (though I admit that Wonder of U's condition is likely more sensitive, if not immediately fatal), it's possible that negators would be able to work around Wonder of U's defensive abilities, espeically if the likes of Shen (Untruth, which inverts a person's intentions and actions, would be able to make Tooru or the Head Doctor approach) or Juiz (similar deal due to Unjustice, which inverts a person's sense of justice if they're within her line of sight and causes them to act against it, which would likely result in a similar result as with Shen or even Tooru attempting to take his own life) are involved in the scenario. Long story short, just going by the rules of Undead x Unluck's world, Wonder of U would likely end up being considered a very dangerous UMA that merged with Tooru (which has precedent, 'Ruin', a negator allied with the UMAs and their creator, merged with UMA Blood and UMA Shadow and could use their abilities, and another Negator merged with UMA Ghost and was able to do the same), most likely called UMA Calamity or UMA Disaster. Could even be considered on par with a Master Rule UMA (UMAs that are placed in a world at the start of the loop and are given far greater power as a result). In short, a very dangerous UMA and one to be avoided in normal circumstances... but also probably one they'd have to deal with if the quests called for his neutralization or capture (and in such a scenario, quests have had a range of participant amounts, ranging from 1-2 to anyone in the world being able to join, meaning combinations of Negators are possible). Couldn't tell you how easy or hard it'd be but if we're dealing with Tooru too... well, the (rock) human factor makes it all the more difficult for Wonder of U as he would likely be easier to imbue with Unluck.
Well shit, If you put it that way then Wonder of U might be screwed if he fought the Undead Unluck universe. I still think it would be very close and 1 or 2 people might die in fight with Tooru but from everything you’ve said, Negators would probably win in the end
@@BUR404 More spoilers below, warning there. It definitely depends on what artifacts they'd have access to (Artifacts being items in Undead x Unluck that can have powerful effects like changing one's age at the cost of aging someone else up or down by the same amount or replacing one's legs with ones that launch metal blades), as well as how the abilities could evolve (Unseen, for instance, could develop in a way that could allow the user to be 'Unseen' by the flow of calamity (as the entire point of the ability is that, by fulfilling the conditions of closing your eyes, no one can see you, and it's been able to grow enough to fool weight sensors, something that 'sees' your presence without using visual stimuli) and it can also be spread to others based on certain conditions). As well as what effects Unluck have on the flow of calamity and if it could disrupt Wonder of U's control over it. No matter what though, I do agree that Wonder of U would be a very dangerous foe and I could see scenarios where the Undead x Unluck universe could lose if dealt a bad hand. The thing is, the universe has conceptual beings as a common threat baked into its DNA, and its powers are based in either the rules and logic of the world (UMAs straight up represent the rules of the world and, without them, those rules do not exist. Eliminating UMA Thirst means you don't need to drink water to survive, for instance) or negating the same (Negators negate a rule of the world for themselves or others) so it'd be easier for them to adapt, ESPECIALLY if Andy was able to lead the charge and die over and over again to figure out how the ability works for the others. To note what I mean by Master Rules as well... A recent fight against a Master Rule, UMA Sick, could have very much ended with the Union losing to it. The big reason they won was due to being able to recruit Unrepair (any damage done to someone cannot be repaired or healed unless the user consciously lifts their ability's effects, given to a surgeon, of all things) and Untrust (which is used as a sort of reverse Epitath, where the user's predictions will never come to pass, to the point where, if an attack is predicted to hit, it will suddenly curve out of the way to avoid its target), who could counter UMA Sick's abilities. Without that, they would have likely lost to him as his regenerative abilities were insanely powerful, to the point of healing from a massive barrage of attacks from Negators and Artifacts in mere seconds. There's a VERY good reason I compared Wonder of U to a Master Rule UMA, they're very dangerous.
@@LordTyphi don't think it would work wonder of you It a physical manifestation of calamity itself Bad luck / fate (since luck and fate are samething in jjba) it basically owner of all bad luck and calamity which even able to change bend logic
Actually arc is not reliant on earth As shown in the extra verse Where she wasn’t even in her proper class She was stronger then both base and MMC gil is ccc Mind you base ccc gil was able to sleep through existance erasure in a place without the concept’s of time and distance and was sent to the imaginary sea a place where concept’s are rejected as part of the worlds reality gilgamesh just cameback And CCC gilgamesh with the MMC was able to beat BB and kiara who both would have atleast had a 3rd planetary threat rating would have been able to destroy earth and it’s who knows how many underworld realms and god realms and locations in the reverse like imaginary sea itself Arcueid at base not in her proper class and was not on the earth was stronger then everyone in extra except sefar and amaterasu meaning ccc gilgamesh with mmc and people stronger then him were weaker then arcueid on the moon and she dip out of the moon cell by creating a hole in its space time and just left
About Gilgamesh you are forgeting that Arcueid nerf BB reduzing 30% of her power and even whit that he still has only less than 1% of chance to beating her and only beating her due to external fatores
I don't think we really know the full extend of Reins power yet? If his sword can actually just destroy the world and recreate a new one without the foe he drew is blade for, then I don't see how anyone could win.
Reinhard has Sodium Knowledge. He can tell the different between salt and sugar with a glance. And that’s OP
reinhard wins no diff
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I like the idea that the reason he has that is he mixed it up while cooking before.
@@qeditz1547 Well, dude also has the divine protection of frying, boiling, streaming and overall cooking mastery. Can Arcueid even cook? I think not. She needs to wait for Shiki to cook
The one thing I feel like everyone tends to forget about Reinhard is that he doesn't even need his Blessings, and he'd be just as strong without them. They're referred to as little tricks, and the only ones he really needs in order to not lose to "cheaters" are the Blessing of the Phoenix, and the unnamed Blessing that protects his soul.
That said, Reinhard is more like a "no one can beat me" character than an "I can beat anyone" character, he's effectively invincible, immortal, and all powerful, but that's not enough to beat characters that don't rely on strength to win.
His ancestor, Reid Astrea, is far more suited to defying the world's logic, seeing as he can cut black holes, dimensions, and concepts with a regular pair of wooden chopsticks.
3:00PM eating rice*
3:01PM cuts IDEA*
I gotta agree that reinheardt would lose this one but reid in all his concept-erasing madness would body
If I remember well, we don't have a lot of information about Reid, and in fact I am pretty sure he is actually way weaker than Reinhard.
@@cielararagi3195 Reid isn't way weaker, he's the 3rd strongest character in his verse (behind Reinhard and Satella), and would be an extremely challenging opponent for Reinhard. Although Reinhard is mostly stronger than Reid, who is stronger supposedly "depends" according to the Author, and if Reinhard and Reid fought a battle only wielding chopsticks, Reinhard would win.
Reid is simply more skilled, which is why he can slash down dimensions or concepts, or easily behead Regulus who exists outside of causality. While Reinhard is essentially undefeatable for most characters, he lacks Reid offensive ability to cut down anything he pleases, making Reid seem "stronger" from a cross-verse perspective. Essentially Reid can defeat more characters than Reinhard, but more characters can defeat Reid than Reinhard.
Ultimately the questions surrounding Re:Zero's top tiers will be answered when the story finishes, we're still only half-way. Maybe in 5 years Reinhard will solo WoU and A:E lol
@@WoUShirius isn't they a god in re:zero that all magic,blessings, authorities and creation come from etc ? So wouldn't they be the number 1 ?
I'd agree but Tohru and Wonder of U got drip that Reinhardt and Arcueid could never touch
I see you forget something about Arcueid, with her Marble Phantasm she can convert even 4D entities into 2D entities if she wants it.
True tell'em
Really?
I am pretty sure that is from luminary arcs event storage but I may be wrong
*domain expansion intensifies*
@@PrettyDissapointedwell its canon
Arcueid can win by transforming into her neco-arc form and use the power of parody to always come out on top lmao
Even without that her true ancestor peak form is already a cheat power anyway. Her Marble Phantasm consist specifically as a way to alter reality itself in her favor.
Honestly. When it comes to scaling characters that goes this deep into abstract abilities. The biggest factor for me is how well executed the ability integrated in the story is
Tooru and WoU are independent of eachother, it doesn't matter what Arcrueid does to Tooru because WoU acts on its own will, Tooru just gives WoU a physical presence, but WoU is still there, in theory if either Reinhard or Arcrueid were to kill Tooru they'd give themselves a major disadvantage as they no longer have anything to attack but they still have to defend themselves from it and WoU low diffs Reinhard, he just can't permanantly kill him, but he'll have little difficulty killing him
I am pretty sure it will be hard to kill Reinhard as tappei said that Reinhard would win against od laguna which is the soul of the rezero universe
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 Reminder WoU 's attacks are increasingly powerful, a simple cigarette tha truck drove over did a large amount of damage, and simple rain would pierce right through a human's skin, and it keeps increasing with time
@@Kanamo4781 but Reinhard is stronger than even the universe that holds him
@@hyjjjkyikk3158Resistence is the last thing it matters against Wonder Of U, if you pose a treat against Tooru the calamity it prepares for you will fuck you up no matter how large of a punch you can get, a leaf becomes a blade that cuts your fingers off, bumping into a umbrella will fuck your legs beyond recognition and there is the rain drops thing
I don't know if the calamities could kill the guy, but hurting him wouldn't be impossible
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 We dont know the implications that this statemant have.
Because, Reinhard could kill Od Laguna, just by telling Od to literally die.
He has no chance of beating Od Laguna realistically.
One thing you didnt mention in your video is that its not as simple as using a conceptual weapon against arcueid as her body is natually tailored to gain resistance from conceptial weapons used against her in the past to the point nothing can even scratch her unless its something in south america. So even if she was trapped in another world totally unrelated to the solar system, if she survives her encounters with enemies who have conceptual powers to bypass her physical defense, she will eventually build up enough resistance to their attacks
Thanks, didn’t know that
Wait, why would Arcueid be vulnerable to conceptual weapons from Brazil
@@BUR404 cuz she hasn't been there yet. She talked about South America and the absolute most ancient Shinto weapons and magics of Japan as something that could in theory get passed her auto immunity in her non weakened form base(without backup)
But again just cause she is vulnerable against them doesn't mean she would be beaten by them even in such a scenario. Since ciels calvaria star ultimate attack had all the weaknesses arcueid should naturally be opposed to like magecraft created specifically by modern humanity disconnected to the age of gods and not gained from the earth being a weakness of hers, being used in Arcueids Blindspot when she wasn't expecting it which is also a weakness and with a supposed mystery level equal to excalibur.
And yet it's made clear it would not have even seriously wounded her even at point blank range had she not been in such a disturbed state of mind.
But because she was in such a rampage state she warped reality so much the mass of the world around her became the same as her body(in event storage) that is the mass of the planet. And so when calvaria star hit her her body was not crushed by the attack but by the ground as she was being crushed into it. It was basically like she enacted the mass of everything right on top of herself which destroyed her body.
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Coincidentally, iirc, ORT lives there, though, it does create its own reality there. It's probably one of the only things in fate that can match her Archetype Earth form simply because its an actual Ultimate One.
@@Urd-Vidan It doesn’t need to match her, she literally gets negged hard by it, also I really can’t call Crystal Valley a Reality Marble as its more of ORT writing its laws, physics and rules over Earth’s, and it also cuts off Arc from using her marble phantasm but hey there’s nothing else to call Crystal Valley. ORT basically screws everyone over as the rules of anything don’t matter to it.
@@BUR404in Brazil a being in the Nasuverse Called ORT exists who is an order above Arcuied in Verse
As seen in Ciel's True route during the Retrograde Cannal/Celestial Conception scene Arcueid is basically a sentient universe, a universe that dwarfs human observation with laws beyond human understanding.
It's explicitly stated by Roa that 'the fact she always restricts her power to be a level above her opponent is not a expression of omnipotence, it is a mere shackle'.
I forgot that she's been temporarily nerfed but +1 above their level at all times.... damn.
Arcuied wins. Both of Reinhard and WoU have nothing that can kill her as Arcuied literally come back after being killed by MEODP that can destroy concept that exist outside the Root such as Roa. Not to mention, Arcuied Marble Phantasm counter WoU.
Let’s not mention that if it’s at night arc thinks that even the MEODP wouldn’t be able to see likes on her
Not familiar with the character, but can he come back from being erased from existence by the dragon sword?
@@thermophile1695 How potent is the existence erasure?
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We haven't seen it in action much; he was able to transform an expanding tundra that was going to destroy the world into a field of flowers with the same swing he used to kill the guy who was causing it. He wasn't in melee range either, so it's planet-scale reality manipulation at the very least.
We do see another person with the same ability; the guy who made the sword gets resurrected, and he uses a weaker version of it to counter the MC's ability that operates off of the concept of connection. When asked how he did it, he said (paraphrased) "weapons, magic, weird powers, it doesn't matter. I can cut it all.". He was using a single chopstick as his weapon at the time, to make fights more interesting.
@@thermophile1695 So basically like Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (MEODP) which also destroy concept by manifesting it in a form of lined that can be cut by the user.
You forgor Arcueid's most cursed power, inspiring Neco-Arc.
In WoU vs Arcuied if Arcuied wins then only Tooru will die, WoU continues existing cause it controls the concept of logic/calamity. Then again like at the end of part 8, WoU went his own path when Tooru died because WoU no longer had a stand user thus not being controlled and WoU really didn't give a damn about fighting.
Arcuied simply outscales
@@yaboiplank6764 But you cant outscale logic itself?
@@lfo-dk1ggyes she can,she survived the mystich eyes of death perception wich gives "death" to the person and she lived it
Reinhard is the character who was glitched by an exploit and buff stacking abuse
You might also add that the planet itself have a lot of Texture this said Texture houses myths, pantheons, and have their own primordial chaos like Greece Chaos and Hindus Shakti
So basically a texture can houses a universe that has gods and every mythology and this said texture have their own multiple timelines
And Arc has authority over this texture
I love the fact Arcueid and Reinhard are OP 'cause they have too much powers/blessings
Meanwhile, Wonder of U only bring bad luck and that's it
Well luck and fate is same thing in jjba
To be more accurate that is fate manip based negative flow or bad luck
and not forget the feat they just hurt normal human body lol
Now that Nasuverse is in this video, I wanna E-rank luck + WoU together so bad lol.
@@grimbruce154calamity negate durability
I love how you describe WOU as only bad luck, like it can't just walk away at a reasonable pace and suddenly stubbing your toe becomes as damaging as your leg being torn off.
You deserve way more subs, all of these characters are the earth playing favourites
If I recall, Arcuied is considered synonymous with the planet itself. And nasuverse earth is a lot different than normal earth in that it's so expansive it's true form is infinitely times more expansive making up countless alternate world dimensions and worlds created specifically by faith of humanity itself called textures.
Arcueid in her full form has the power to utilize all of this at her beck and call in her true form. And the only reason she isn't officially considered the Type of Earth yet is because she has to settle the battle with the one closest in the running to her for that spot which is altrouge. She will inevitably do it though.
Can she control textures? I wonder
@@lorekeeper685 yes. That's part of remake. She has dominion over the entire world and that includes conceptual spaces created by the human order
@@MrInuhanyou123 oh nice nice
Man I don’t even blame pride if Subaru for hating Reinhard because of how broken he is
The Nasuverse is a broken power house so I’m not surprised that Arcueid/Archetype Earth won. Tho you should also mention the root of Akasha it’s the main source of all existence.
This is the most insane matchup I've ever seen.
Arcueid doesn't go to the persons level, as stated by ciel the vessel is always a level above the person she faces.
What does it even mean?
@@davidarvingumazon5024 basically she's always superior in terms of "stats" for example let's take as a videogame and the characters have stats like strength, endurance, agility, speed, etc, Arcueid will always have higher stats than her opponent, ironically this makes tooru have "a little advantage" like gilgamesh, since themself's aren't that strong but their abilities makes them beasts
@@RudeusFM What if she fights Saitama, in terms of stats?
@@davidarvingumazon5024 Then Arcuid would be [Saitama Stats] + 1
And that would scale continuously even if he somehow grows stronger in the middle of the fight. Physical superiority is the worst way to fight Arcuied as she woukd always be stronger then her enemy
@@doctoc684 But Saitama fought someone who did the same thing.
Graph shown Garou did [Garou stats = Saitama stats] + Growth
I'll be honest. I am loving these types of videos.
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assuming that WoU's calamity will do anything to neutralize the pursuers then he wins no diff as WoU can just trigger universal threat disaster such as vacuum decay that can obliterate anything at almost the speed of light, the only thing that can stop WoU is an ability that breaks the law of physics such as traveling faster than the speed
of light, reality warping, etc, as the MC from Jojolion that defeated WoU breaks the law of physic by creating something infinitely small to bypass WoU's calamity, from that fact we can conclude that WoU's calamity only work inside the law of physic
I knew Arcueid was gonna win, she's so much stronger than Reinhard and Wonder of U by default, they'd only have a real chance if she was in her extremely nerfed state during Tsukihime and if her connection to Gaia was severed, if Tohno's Mystic Eyes couldn't kill her for good I don't see any way Reinhard and Wonder of U could even scratch her
Debating Wonder of U vs. Reinhard is essentially the same as debating if Reid could permanently kill Reinhard. If Reinhard is really the strongest wouldn't he be immune to conceptual abilities like that? We know Satella is.
I don't think Reinhard would exist above the worlds flow of logic since he himself hasn't shown any feats to support that. I heard about Reid cutting concepts but i'm not sure if that has any correlation to defeating Reinhard, unless Divine Protections are considered conceptual. At the very least we know he's not immune to other universal abilities like Return by Death.
Realistically, Reihard would still struggle with Wonder of U
@crimsonshifter5338 Reid doesn't simply cut concepts he manifests the very concept of a blade in the same way wou manifests calamity. It's the ability to cut anything because that is what a blade does. Space, time, light, energy, black holes, concepts, matter, souls, things that don't even exist, and acausal beings are all cut by the Heavenly Sword.
Rbd is a bad example because it's also above this power.
@@vortechstg4091Damn, So Reid is basically if the mystic eyes of death perception was a person. I can see Reid easily beating Wonder of U temporarily, but just like Reinhard both would just revive themselves eventually, unless Reid outright destroys logic and reason from the universe
@crimsonshifter5338 You are definitely not the first person I have seen make that comparison.
As far as we've seen so far, the extent of his erasure is within the area that he slashes. To be fair, that can be as large as continents, but it certainly isn't _everything_ . My point was more about the fact that Reinhard can supposedly beat him despite actually being a weaker swordsman. If that's the case, can he just resist that type of ability like Satella can?
@@vortechstg4091 I think Reinhard would basically resist and be immune to Wonder of U’s Calamity manipulation directly affecting him or damaging him. So he wouldn’t accidentally trip and break his neck or get hit by his own attack. However, knowing Reinhard, Calamity would just take control of a bunch of innocent people and force them to get in his way every time he tries to attack Wonder of U. So while Reinhard can’t directly be hurt by calamity, calamity at the same time will just use his own morals against him. So a stalemate situation
Wonder of U has already fought someone who ignores and bypasses his abilities but he was still able to use his surrounding environment to slow them down and prevent them from landing a direct hit.
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Considering the scale of the catastrophe required to stop Arcuied would be enormous and while i do think this would succeed she would simply regenerate from it given enough time.
Reinhardt was stated to be just as broken without his divine protections as he is with them by the author 😭 but I have to say that might be the ONLY thing that possibly brings him above wonder of U.
See, the problem with that is without his divine blessings, he becomes vulnerable to the one thing you don't want to bring in a battle of concepts - death.
Surely, being immortal is not part of his skillset, is it?
Actually, Reinhardt can't actually die. It was stated that Od Laguna (the "god" of Re:Zero) would aways revive Reinhardt If he actually died.@@FrenchDinosaur
that literally doesnt change anything in fact the only thing keeping him breathing in these fights is pheonix blessing
The question is whether he can erase the world as in the observable universe and not just limited to the four nations and surroundings aka the flatverse? But Satella brought Subaru from another world and as Reinhard can match her, it is still within possibilities, as long as he is brought to Earth/Earth's dimension.
Basically if he swings, everything will be decided there, as the author already spoiled that Reinhard can beat Od lagna(with Reid)
Arcuied slaps. The Nasuverse planet Earth is actually a sentient ball of reality warping energy that can casually create universes.
Arcuied is the will of the planet Earth 💀
It's not universal😭💀
@@aminebachir3394 The planet? It is. The world of Olympus is literally a universe 💀
@@rampagepotato4307 right, getting destroyed by the star level Black Hole from U-Olga🤣
@@aminebachir3394 Destroyed what now? U-Olga destroyed neither the planet nor Olympus tho. Wtf are you on?
@@rampagepotato4307I think I can help u explain what's the Texture of the world
Planet
The base structure forming around the singular root. The planet is a collection of matters and law. It is by definition [finite] because we have established that if it’s [infinite] then it is part of the Root, and if it is [indefinite] then it is part of the Imaginary Space (or maybe it’s the other way around and we define infinite and indefinite by excluding them from what we perceive as finite). The planet is the white canvas like plane we see in the LB arc when human history is removed off it. There is still laws of physics, thermodynamics, mystics, mana, and matters like breathable air. However, those matters don’t form any particular system and can’t support life. Maybe this is what [finite matters] look like in the purest form. No system, no beliefs, no life.
This is supposedly what Gaia looks like without textures. Now, I’m not sure if a textureless Gaia still has its will, but I’m inclined to believe so due to the explicitly stated separation of the will of Alaya and Gaia. If this is so, then maybe we still have a chance of seeing Arcueid or other TA roaming about between LBs because even with the texture removed, everything intrinsic to Gaia should still be fine. It seems that the destruction of Gaia and Alaya need not be mutually inclusive, since in the world of Notes, the planet is dead while the texture lives (while fighting against other planets, but still lives nonetheless). Perhaps this LB arc is a look at a world where the texture is dead while the planet lives.
Texture
The texture is also an emanation of the Root, and while it is normally a part of the Planet, it is a separate thing from it. A Texture is a system of belief that is most prevalent on the surface of the Planet, and with which the resources of said Planet obey. In normal human history, the current texture follows the common sense of men, making it the Age of Man. Previously there wasn’t as many human, so their common sense of physics is still contended by the common sense of nature spirits and phantasmal beasts, which is mystery. After the explosion of human population, the nature spirits and phantasmal beasts are pushed to live on the other side of the texture, and consequently their mystery too. If the Texture is a piece of fabric wrapping around the ball of resources called Gaia, then the outer pattern of the fabric is that of Alaya an mankind, while the pattern on the other side is of mystery. Anchors like Rhongomyniad are used around the world to fasten the fabric and prevent ruffles from forming on this fabric and revealing the other side, or worse yet, flip the entire fabric over.
It’s impossible to make a Texture without a Planet since establishing system without components is quite difficult (maybe impossible?) But it is possible for a surviving Texture to outlive the Planet as seen in the world of Notes. I’m not sure how but it looks like the Texture of that world manages to sustain itself without any resources from the Planet. Since there’s only one human left, the Alaya of that world is effectively dead and the Texture shouldn’t be made of the common sense of man anymore.
So basically the planets itself holds every myth in their own separate texture and origin albeit their own primordial chaos and this primordial chaos is stated to be stronger than their own pantheons which of the likes of Shiva burning through the universe, zeus having a thunder bolt destroying universes, also Extraterrestrial beings are way beyond the comprehension of the planet so the like of sefar was able to threatened the pantheons including amaterasu
Archetype Earth wins this one. The planet is basically her home territory. She can cause just about any natural disasters with just a movement of her hands, legs and so on. She’s also the closest we have to a Type aka an Ultimate One.
What do you mean closest to a type?
ORT is right there
@@mirzapramudya1580 Arc is the closest Earth has to a Type. Although ORT being a true Ultimate One and a Planet Eater/Starry Invader It probably isn’t aligned with the other Types, and is the strongest in Type Moon.
@@Gareth-daupsetpuppyWell, the reason why Arcuied is not Type:Earth of our planet is because her sister is also candidate. (Alterouge Brunested) This makes it that they are two Type Candidate but only one could be the true Type:Earth. This is why She mostly called ArcheType:Earth, simply because she hasn't become the true Type:Earth.
@@Patrick-tg6wm not yet but it's inevitable she will become type earth in the future
@@MrInuhanyou123 I don't think so. Because as long as Alterouge still exist and they haven't fight it out to see who can become The true Type:Earth. Arcuied still gonna be ArcheType:Earth.
It isn't set in stone that Arcuied will always the Type:Earth simply because Alterouge is her equal or in someway superior to Arcuied. To give you context on how strong Alterouge is, She tames primate murder. Yeah, she tames a beast that needs 7 Counter guardian to manage all by herself and we haven't even seen her full power. But we can at least estimate that, of all Dead Apostle ancestor or True Ancestor, She is one of the person Arcuied considered a threat.
Love your videos
Love your videos can’t believe you only have 8k
What the Heck!!
Is my notifications not on or something because this vid is awesome!! 😎👍🔥🐐
So it looks like you actually read the Tsukihime remake, really cool. Honestly, I wasn't very surprised by the end of the video, Arcueid is just too overpower😅, I have no doubt about that
and are you still going to make a video of Othinus vs Arcueid? and if you want another character with some extremely strong ability, try to see a little about Yhwach from Bleach, he has one of the most absurd hax I've ever seen. In fact, Bleach in general has very strong characters, it's a shame it's very underestimated by most people.
I plan on doing Toaru universe vs Nasuverse video in the future in which Othinus vs Archtype Earth will be brought up
But as you can tell, a video like this is has a lot going on and is gonna take some time
And yeah, I have a video in mind for Yhwwch
@@BUR404 Wait, do you plan to make a single video just about Toaru vs Nasuverse? This would definitely be a video that would require a lot of work but it would be really cool, it would literally be my two favorite series in one video
@@BUR404If you do Toaru Vs. Type-Moon it's worth including Sefar, the White Titan, in your analysis since she has one of the most broken abilities to come out of TM's canon.
Magical Energy Absorption/Civilization Corrosion is ridiculous considering Sefar does it passively and unconditionally, wiping out concepts entirely and turning it into durability.
There is also a Theory according to in character statements from Titan Altera (Sefar's normal state) that she was the strongest of her species, and may be an Archetype/Ultimate One candidate.
@@godzillasuper777 It's all in one video
Please keep doing this
We need more videos about broken characters,you describe them so well
I agree with arc winning only because she's still tied down to earth. Alot of her crazier feats rely on her having earths backing to drip feed her more power as the situation demands. If she's anywhere thats not her planet, or a space she created personally, she's able to access the full scope of her abilities, but loses what lets her come back if she dies.
Rein aint beating her because he actually lacks alot of the firepower that his predecessor had access to, outside of a weaker version of it locked to his sword. He's tanky af though and arc would certainly have fun trying to beat him up.
As soon as the stands user is gone, WoU dips. He doesnt even care for fighting and has no inclination to continue doing so once its reason for doing so is gone.
Remember tho that this only applies to nerfed arcueid aka base arcueid. True Arcueid aka Archetype earth can use her full power anywhere because AE does not depend on the back up phenomenon. She just uses all of Earth's power all at once without restriction. This also matters more because AE is the form arc will take when she becomes the type of earth after she beats altrouge. So just like ORT which can move from planet to planet and impose its own territory onto the world it's inhabiting so too AE should be able to impose the reality of the earth onto other planets
@MrInuhanyou123 Yeah, but those were pre-rework requirements. We don't know if defeating her sister still nets her that freedom, or if it's even guaranteed that she can defeat her anymore. Type earth isn't a form that she can take at any time under her own will, nor is it one she even wants to take, so it isn't something worth considering in the equation, it's just a possibility, and an extremely low one at that.
What matters is that once she's in a neutral zone, she loses earth's restrictions and it's blessings, meaning she both at full power(theoretically) and vulnerable to actual defeat, reviving with less power notwithstanding. I still believe she beats rein simply because he doesn't have access to the power needed to permanently put her down like Reid does, aside from a weaker version tied to his sword.
He can tank just as hard as she can, especially since the blessings he already has aren't restricted to earth, he simply wouldn't be able to get new ones on the fly. It's just that we KNOW arc has some damn good firepower, but we can't say the same for rein because re:zero refuses to elaborate on his potential aside from vague statements like "he can fight the sun and win", or "he can fight satella to a standstill, but can't kill her". Fucker probably uses Iframes to survive whatever she throws at him for all of the information we have about his feats.
I need Reinhardt sodium blessing I can't let those two get confused again can't let it happen not again
Reinhardt can just give himself a divine protection that makes him immune to being affected by calamity, he can revive himself too
That doesn't work.Od Laguna can only give him DP for general abilities existing within the verse.He can't get super specific DP otherwise he's be able to nullify effects of Authorities.
Infact,in wrath IF his DP were temporarily cutoff by a Magic Circle which allowed Cecilus to fight him toe to toe.
The thing about base form Arcueid too is that she is supposed to be the strongest true ancestor and from the hierarchy from her world: ghoul
She didn't turn him into mist.
She used the vapor/atmosphere to turn Roa's environment into a 2-D plane/vacuum and sliced through it. Roa couldn't dodge it and he only survived because Arc was nerfed and their confrontation happened during a full moon.
@@kcold3277 yes arc was heavily weakened even prior to tsukihime but then in arc route gets killed by shiki and is like running on 5 percent of her power the whole time
@kcold3277 I meant it metaphorically as in: her vacuum blades shredded him so much that all that remained was stains on the wall hence mist. Although actually Roa regenerated from the feet left behind you get the idea
@@Silver-Arrow my bad
Video opening: "Earth, a truly remarkable specimen of space"
Somehow I don't think it'll be so remarkable by the end of this fight.
Interesting channel I'll subscribe 👍
We getting an Immovable Objects next or was that technically the first one since they all had the best defensive abilities
I have to think of more characters that fit that “immovable object” criteria but “unstoppable forces” kinda sounds cooler as a video title
@@BUR404 jugganoth from kill six billion demons is certainly immovable object, juggernaut from DC is probably also good choice and Zeref from Fairy Tail due to his Curse
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Will you do stuff like
The arsenals(characters with alot of powers like rimuru,medaka? And others)
The Pugilist(fighters,like baki more physical and pure brute strength types)
@@BUR404do immovable objects and add D4C LoveTrain. Best thing for an immovable object.
I’m glad one of the strongest canon stands if the the strongest is referencing the king himself
Lets go another W video
Archeid wins because fate is broken.
Anos solos fate neg-diff
@@nicolaspereira151how high does that damn sword scale?
@@nicolaspereira151nah he can't
@@nicolaspereira151lmao he can't even get pass Tohsaka 💀
@@DeadApostleAncestor10stop wanking 😂she can't get Past Meteor level
We dont know exacly how the Dragon Sword works, but it seems to be some kind of reality manipulation/concept destruction, so dismissing his ability to kill the other people here seems a little quick.
Although, the author has stated that the dragon sword cant bypass Satella's immortality, and while we don't know how that works either , the fact that something exists that can block it is a potential argument that Arcuied cant be killed, the other guy should be vulnerable; Satella's power comes from her Authorities, which are the antithesis of the world, to the point where the world cant collect your soul after you die if you have one. Hence, their abilities wouldn't be under "the world's logic".
it's fully possible that some authorities are immune to the dragon sword and reid's cutting ability, similar to how divine protections work
it really seems like authorities as a whole just bypass all other effects
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Most likely, any authority more powerful than Reid's authority (I'm assuming it's an authority until its true nature is revealed) is protected from it.
And it's not surprising that Satella's power is stronger than his.
Huh ? Reid has no authorities ? He can cut concepts simply because he is just that skilled as a swordsman. @thermophile1695
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We haven't seen anyone else develop conceptual abilities from skill alone.
We know there are at least 9 authorities, there could be more.
@@thermophile1695 There can't be more than 9 authorities since they were only 9 seven deadly sins in history. 8 initially but melancholy and vanity were mixed with sloth and pride and envy was added making the 7 we know today. Also Beatrice has never detected any witch miasma coming from him. If Reid had the divine protection of the sword saint (or any other divine protection) when he was alive, he couldn't possibly have an authority because it's impossible to get an authority if you have a divine protection. And the biggest clue as to why he can't have one is his book of the dead. Anyone with an authority is the opposite of the world and won't get their soul taken by od laguna when they die. Reid is only able to be summoned to his floor in the tower because all of his information in his book of the dead is taken to resurrect him (that's why it was empty when subaru looked at it the first time and was what caused him to be taken over by Louis).
can't believe I watch this until the end....
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- mention arcuied immortality
- video of neco arc tanking ciel last arc on the screen
i'm dead
The winner: me.
Reinhard has some nifty tricks, but ultimately, all he has is invincibility. I lack the means to slay him, but restraining him indefinitely ought to be childsplay. As for the other peasant, what concern is he?
Ultimately, they are but children playing with toys. No worse than pest animals.
_Archetype Earth stomps._
Spawn: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Archetype Earth: "So you were the one who let out that war cry that shook the worlds after you killed the ruler of the 8th sphere. How intriguing".
Spawn: "Care to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight".
ok white woman
The world of lugunica does have a power that makes the world go to ones own favour (Priscilla's incredible luck) which i dont remember if its a divine protection or not, but if it is then when Reinhardt gets it his every move will bring him out of the calamaties wonder of u brings him into
You should do more videos like this, we’re you match up people with similar powers, like you did with accelerator, gojo, and that on guy I forgot
"Regulas didn't like that"
Ah I’ve waited for your return and this video definitely didn’t disappoint.
A Blonde Sexy Vampire Wins as a DIO Fan I approve of this outcome.
This is a type of Battle where it truly does depend on circumstances as certain scenarios lead to very different outcomes.
I have to agree Unfortunately Tooru stands no chance most times she’s just on a whole other level entirely.
However I do Like how most scenarios Both of them completely dog walk Reinhard tho lol it’s satisfying as so many Re Zero fans rate Their characters on levels stupidly higher than they actually are.
I’ve seen Re Zero and JoJo don’t know anything about the third one might have to check it out seems to have some incredibly interesting *PLOT* 👀
jsyn the story starts with her getting no diffed btw
@@ajharris2690she’s been literally cut up to seventeen body pieces and reformed herself back together with a different kind of concept. That was just a normal Arcueid by the way, but this one is Archetype Earth, the literal brain of the planet that can cause any form of natural disaster that has happened on Earth and can utilize it to be something more dangerous.
@@ajharris2690 It was literally her first day outside yet a random mf cut her to pieces 😭😭
@@rampagepotato4307 17 pieces and yet she easily reformed herself like nothing happened
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Violently and sensual as well.
Arcuied stomp JJB/re:zero
By just cosmology and hax
Nasuverse Earth is a like universe in itself which consists of record (powers) of each and every organism whether god, human, hero or vampire that has existed, exists and will exist on the planet along with records of parallel versions of the planets. Earth is like a supercomputer which has access to each and every file thay exists within it and is in network with its parallel counterparts. Different Mythological pantheons exists on same planet but on different textures at same time which accounts for different yet true creation myths of different mythologies. Arcuied is basically the antivirus firewall system in this planetary supercomputer network grid and Archetype Earth is basically the programming system. A Type is modelled after a planet's dominant species but due to planet's disdain for humans, Arcuied turned out to be vampire, hinting Type Moon's parasitic nature with the planet. Type Moon made True Ancestors on planet's behalf and tailor made Arcuied solely to be the vessel of the planet's will. WoU and Reinhard will be treated as viruses with the planet's system and planet will employ natural calamities, then A-Ray Nature Spirits, then summon Heroic Spirits from past and future then True Ancestors, then Arcuied herself will deployed against the threat. Olga Marie's Black Hole was a compressed dark matter ball with immense gravitational pull which was used to destroy a remnant of a Lostbelt, a mythological texture with conceptual weight of a galaxy, which was weathered by Wodime's Sirius Light. Same dark matter bullets were used by Gun God in Black Barrel to annihilate lesser Types such Type Mars and Type Venus in two-three shots, and Mash to destroy Lostbelt Mechanical God Zeus, Athena and Demeter in single shot.A Black Barrel Bullet should be enough for WoU and Reinhardt.
Also Gaias will/authority don't only covers the planet it also reach to other universe with multiple galaxies seeing Space Ishtar very being
Spoilers for Lb7
Even without Gaia/CF intervention she is strong enough to fight an Ultimate One that don't have the same concept of death and being stand above to every pantheon of God's in the planet
And that was a different version of Arc and More inferior due to no CF
How about making a video on characters representing Death/End? Like Void Shiki(Nasu) vs Yogiri Takatou(ID) vs Death of the Endless(DC)?
Reality Buster battle between Mazinger Zero, Oma Zi-o, and whoever else you could think of?
I'd go with Mazinger Zero on this one
Please do shiki(ryougi and/or tohno) against touma, would make for an interesting video. Imagine Breaker vs MEODP, that's been something I've been wanting to see covered for decades.
Please have Yogiri Takatou (Instant Death's protagonist) be included in one of your videos.
Also please consider making a video on SCPs vs Anime Characters
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Now that I think about it, isn't Muramasa (FGO) a counter to all three of them? (Well, at least if he gets the opportunity to actually swing his sword.)
Oh you should do one with character who can revive themselves infinitely maybe include Subaru in there too along with other characters he might have a chance to beat like the dude from erased
The poor Novel Reinhardtards are on the loose. Seek shelter.
Im proud to say that i know all of them :)
The reason why ORT might be able to beat Arcued is due to it being an Alien deploying a Reality Marble. All Ultimate Ones can "taint" the world, as shown by NOTES, Archetype Earth should be no exeption, she could likely cut off Reinhearts blessings.
As for Wonder of U, will it even work on her to begin with? King Arthur could dodge a Causality Reversing attack with High Luck and Instinct. So could Arcued just evade calamity all together?Arcueds Mystic Eyes may also work, otherwise targeting it and locking it inside a Reality Marble would be the best choice. Reality Marbles can contain an Outer God, so Arcued could very well contain it inside a system she controlls fully, removing "chance", as if it were a Laplace Demon and then destroying it.
you know what all three of them broken powers ,one has power to have all power, another has full control over earth , another has fate altering power ,them being near each other will cause an incursion (dr.strange\spider-verse type).
the end
Great
Could you make another video like this but with Kumagawa Misogi?
That shiki tohno fgo jab hurt man!😢 he'll get added soon i swear!
It's be easier to list all the divine protections reinhard doesn't have.
Starting off with: the end of the list
I saw your recent community post and if you truly plan on doing a video on yogiri, all i got to say is "thats hell your walking into" 😅
imo the most powerful ability i have seen in fiction is Severance, the power to deconstruct reality into variables (both physical and abstract) effectively able to erase all of existence and rebuild it, it's a power that dwells in the realm of metaphysics, embodying the notion of all is one and one is all
In RE Zero, when Reinhardt slashed at someone he actually destroys the universe and it is rebuilt without them.
21:52 neutron star collision
Pls when ever you have the time do a video power scaling characters from fate and the nasuverse as a whole
I'd love to see Adam from Record of Ragnarok to make an appearance.
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Just throw a Quasar
Take em down with you
Can you make a video on featherine Augustos aurora or ajimu najime or make them collide
What do you think of this match up for a video some day? Between two extremely powerful main characters who make their cosmology verses tremble before their presence when their powers are fully unleashed.
Here is my presentation to you.
Anos Voldigoad the reincarnated Demon King from The Misfet of Demon Academy.
Versus.
Wang Ling the reincarnated Emperor who decided to be reborn to live a ordinary life and makes all the gods tremble before his power from The Daily Life of the Immortal King.
These two reincarnated characters are known as the greatest forces of their worlds but who is truly greater then the other?
Perhaps, I haven’t watched or read The Daily Life of the Immortal king so my knowledge of it is lacking
However, I do plan on covering Anos at some point
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Trust me I seen and read some parts about Wang Ling and he us truly powerful enough to fight or surpass Anos Voldigoad.
Can you do a video about the servants of fate/requiem ?
bro is a full fate character clairvoyance protection against arrow guts what more does he need
I think wonder of you could send both of them into space and they get hit by an asteroid
Since wou is a stand he can only really be harmed by other stands
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Lol, the Reinhard vs Arcueid situation you said was very close to what happened to Camazotz vs ORT.
Ok but reinhard is best boy soooo who relley wins here
True but Arcueid is best girl so it seems we’ve reached an impasse
Aoko >>>>>@@BUR404
TSUKIHIME MENTIONED!!!
1: Arcuied
2: WOU
3: Reinhard
types seem to be able to corrupt planetary realities into their own with their presence. If type earth was on a different dimension or planet and wasnt stopped theirs a good chance she would simply corrupts the space around her into earth and then the same thing that would happen on earth happens anywhere that cant resist such a ability. Ie od Laguna would need to directly fight against her but since they not in this fight and they may not even be able to do so i still see type moon winning mid diff
Hey you ever thinking of doing something with comic characters like say Superman or Spawn.
I plan on covering The Darkest Knight
Calamity be like: _Sends Luna and then Mars into Earth_
Type Moon is personification of sentient will of the Moon and has parasitic relationship with Earth which he fulfills by manufacturing True Ancestors for the Earth. Arcuied was tailor made by Type Moon to be vessel of the Earth's will and sole candidate for Archetype Earth. Type Mars is personification of sentient will of Mars which shot down by Gun God's Black Barrel which consists of pseudo-dark matter bullets which enforces the very concept of Life, Death, Weakness and Lifespan upon the target and was then destroyed Ado Edem's Slash Emperor which can destroy the very order of natural world. Type Moon has also same type of abilities as Ado Edem but reverse and more stronger. Arcuied in terminal of Type Moon on Earth to be the planet's vessel. She can naturally control the satellite and planet simultaneously.
Arcueid: Gets stronger because the Moon is closer to Earth
She's a True Ancestor, they literally came to Earth from the Moon, and her Father was Crimson Moon
"unstoppable forcese"
Id presume WoU would just send a meteor that completely destroys earth to billions of pieces if he realized nothing is working
If I can ask, what would your opinion on comparing Wonder of U with Fuuko Izumo, the 'Unluck' Negator? You mentioned that one of the only ways to defeat or even harm Wonder of U are attacks or abilities that negate or ignore the laws of reality itself... and Negators in Undead x Unluck specialize in that, with Fuuko negating an individual's luck. Especially considering what goes on in the manga and... well, how the power system is structured. Trying to avoid spoilers here for those who want to watch the anime.
I don’t remember much about Undead Unluck but doesn’t the protagonist need to touch a target for the unluck to be inflicted? If so, I don’t think she’d be able to close in on Tooru since his ability is passive. Go Beyond could bypass Calamity but even that struggled to beat Tooru, Josuke also almost died several times and needed a very specific stand ability in support of his own to defeat Tooru. Sure, Undead Unluck characters may be able to bypass Calamity, but it would still be tough as hell and require teamwork and maybe a couple sacrifices
@@BUR404 Fuuko's abilities evolved from the start. A lot. And this is without the question of whether or not Unluck would take priority in the flow of Calamity, be worked into it, or be overridden by it (I would assume more the first, given the nature of Negator abilities being a negation of the rules of the world).
Multiple heavy spoilers below as well as lots of text, read at your own risk.
Fuuko has learned how to imbue objects with Unluck if she has an emotional attachment to them. The normal means of doing so (Bad Bullet) might not be able to do much against Wonder of U but Memento Bullet would be an assured killshot. Memento Bullet works via imbuing an object that Fuuko feels a strong attatchment to with Unluck (which she can seemingly unknowingly do). Then, when someone directly touches the object, the Unluck is imparted onto them. And due to Unluck, and Negator Abilities in general, being linked to the soul (To the point where they had to escape an Unluck event by forcing someone's soul out of their body to avoid them being killed and having them return to their body after the event finished, as there was no escaping it until it concluded), it's likely that Wonder of U would be affected just as much, as stand abilities seem linked to the spirit and the user, and UMA, incarnations of the 'Rules' of the world, are just as vulnerable to Unluck as humans.
In addition, Fuuko's Unluck abilities rely on circumstance and the world around them, especially as time goes on and she learns how to create unlucky incidents that have non-fatal results (like trapping Victor, Andy's previous personality, in a specialized capture container that was revealed after he was imbued with Unluck after a previous attack reduced him to a head (it's a long story)). Even before her abilities evolved, in her and Andy's fight alongside Gina, they were able to get past her Unchange barrier through said Unluck causing her to be blasted by a laser, something that ignored Unchange's protection (Unchange forcibly stops the 'change' of objects the user designates. Gina can allow light through Unchanging air, however, to allow her to see outside her barriers).
And all of this is WITHOUT Andy, the Undead Negator (any possible chance of death is negated, even the smallest cuts heal up). If Andy's involved, Wonder of U's chances of victory go down significantly as Andy can tank fatal actions Wonder of U inflicts. In fact, given that his goal is to die, he'd likely be fired up even if on his own, plowing through an escalating amount of horrible events. Even atomizing his body would likely only slow him down since, as mentioned before, Negator Abilities are linked to the soul and Andy, as his previous identity as Victor, has survived the world being completely destroyed over 90 times.
As we've brought up other negators in a group as well, there's also the fact that Fuuko, Andy, and the Union and Under (two organizations within the setting) went up against Uma Spring Stage 3, which has a very potent defensive ability, where attempting to attack or hurt UMA Spring will result in the victim being turned into cherry blossoms. However, it was able to be affected by attacks that hit it as a consequence instead of direct action. The only person unaffected in any way was Fuuko, as she and UMA Spring were engaged in competition (with the loser dying). If Wonder of U would follow similar rules (though I admit that Wonder of U's condition is likely more sensitive, if not immediately fatal), it's possible that negators would be able to work around Wonder of U's defensive abilities, espeically if the likes of Shen (Untruth, which inverts a person's intentions and actions, would be able to make Tooru or the Head Doctor approach) or Juiz (similar deal due to Unjustice, which inverts a person's sense of justice if they're within her line of sight and causes them to act against it, which would likely result in a similar result as with Shen or even Tooru attempting to take his own life) are involved in the scenario.
Long story short, just going by the rules of Undead x Unluck's world, Wonder of U would likely end up being considered a very dangerous UMA that merged with Tooru (which has precedent, 'Ruin', a negator allied with the UMAs and their creator, merged with UMA Blood and UMA Shadow and could use their abilities, and another Negator merged with UMA Ghost and was able to do the same), most likely called UMA Calamity or UMA Disaster. Could even be considered on par with a Master Rule UMA (UMAs that are placed in a world at the start of the loop and are given far greater power as a result). In short, a very dangerous UMA and one to be avoided in normal circumstances... but also probably one they'd have to deal with if the quests called for his neutralization or capture (and in such a scenario, quests have had a range of participant amounts, ranging from 1-2 to anyone in the world being able to join, meaning combinations of Negators are possible). Couldn't tell you how easy or hard it'd be but if we're dealing with Tooru too... well, the (rock) human factor makes it all the more difficult for Wonder of U as he would likely be easier to imbue with Unluck.
Well shit, If you put it that way then Wonder of U might be screwed if he fought the Undead Unluck universe. I still think it would be very close and 1 or 2 people might die in fight with Tooru but from everything you’ve said, Negators would probably win in the end
@@BUR404 More spoilers below, warning there.
It definitely depends on what artifacts they'd have access to (Artifacts being items in Undead x Unluck that can have powerful effects like changing one's age at the cost of aging someone else up or down by the same amount or replacing one's legs with ones that launch metal blades), as well as how the abilities could evolve (Unseen, for instance, could develop in a way that could allow the user to be 'Unseen' by the flow of calamity (as the entire point of the ability is that, by fulfilling the conditions of closing your eyes, no one can see you, and it's been able to grow enough to fool weight sensors, something that 'sees' your presence without using visual stimuli) and it can also be spread to others based on certain conditions). As well as what effects Unluck have on the flow of calamity and if it could disrupt Wonder of U's control over it. No matter what though, I do agree that Wonder of U would be a very dangerous foe and I could see scenarios where the Undead x Unluck universe could lose if dealt a bad hand. The thing is, the universe has conceptual beings as a common threat baked into its DNA, and its powers are based in either the rules and logic of the world (UMAs straight up represent the rules of the world and, without them, those rules do not exist. Eliminating UMA Thirst means you don't need to drink water to survive, for instance) or negating the same (Negators negate a rule of the world for themselves or others) so it'd be easier for them to adapt, ESPECIALLY if Andy was able to lead the charge and die over and over again to figure out how the ability works for the others.
To note what I mean by Master Rules as well... A recent fight against a Master Rule, UMA Sick, could have very much ended with the Union losing to it. The big reason they won was due to being able to recruit Unrepair (any damage done to someone cannot be repaired or healed unless the user consciously lifts their ability's effects, given to a surgeon, of all things) and Untrust (which is used as a sort of reverse Epitath, where the user's predictions will never come to pass, to the point where, if an attack is predicted to hit, it will suddenly curve out of the way to avoid its target), who could counter UMA Sick's abilities. Without that, they would have likely lost to him as his regenerative abilities were insanely powerful, to the point of healing from a massive barrage of attacks from Negators and Artifacts in mere seconds. There's a VERY good reason I compared Wonder of U to a Master Rule UMA, they're very dangerous.
@@LordTyphi don't think it would work wonder of you
It a physical manifestation of calamity itself
Bad luck / fate (since luck and fate are samething in jjba) it basically owner of all bad luck and calamity which even able to change bend logic
Actually arc is not reliant on earth
As shown in the extra verse
Where she wasn’t even in her proper class
She was stronger then both base and MMC gil is ccc
Mind you base ccc gil was able to sleep through existance erasure in a place without the concept’s of time and distance and was sent to the imaginary sea a place where concept’s are rejected as part of the worlds reality gilgamesh just cameback
And CCC gilgamesh with the MMC was able to beat BB and kiara who both would have atleast had a 3rd planetary threat rating would have been able to destroy earth and it’s who knows how many underworld realms and god realms and locations in the reverse like imaginary sea itself
Arcueid at base not in her proper class and was not on the earth was stronger then everyone in extra except sefar and amaterasu meaning ccc gilgamesh with mmc and people stronger then him were weaker then arcueid on the moon and she dip out of the moon cell by creating a hole in its space time and just left
Before u go further in the Reverse side of the world, the Texture needs thoroughly explained
About Gilgamesh you are forgeting that Arcueid nerf BB reduzing 30% of her power and even whit that he still has only less than 1% of chance to beating her and only beating her due to external fatores
I don't think we really know the full extend of Reins power yet? If his sword can actually just destroy the world and recreate a new one without the foe he drew is blade for, then I don't see how anyone could win.
got to do another with makima
wowie!
YEEAAAAAAHHHHH
I think Reinhard vs. Arcueid will end in a draw since Reinhard can't deliever a finishing blow while od Logna will bring him back no matter what.