Nottingham Forest Fan CONFRONTS Stefan Borson Over Comments Surrounding Their Points Deduction 😳
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- Nottingham Forest fan, John, confront's talkSPORT and Stefan Borson over comments made about the club's points deduction.
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These rules are not designed for a level playing field ....that sentence has just summed the league up....
Nice that people are starting to admit it. The rules are anti- competitive rules that benefit a few while hampering the rest.
@@lee-nufc894 yet the clubs voted to bring them in. Not just the prem but the efl and every league in europe.
I've been in these comment sections all along saying the same thing. Also in every random comment on any football post that needlessly go on about Citys 115 charges.
Glad people are starting to see it. The rules do not protect clubs financially. They protect the positions of legacy of the top clubs. It's possible to stay in the rules and go bankrupt.
@@lee-nufc894financial doping is cheating.
@@outofthetrash5925clearly a biased and delusional viewpoint.
What Simon Jordan fails to mention is that the £50 million losses in the championship Promotion season were down to Promotion Bonuses being paid - the Premier league refused them being included in the first PL season. He makes it sound like Forest were reckless in the championship, they weren't and stuck to the rules.
They signed 40 players in one go, why you surprised you have run into issues
@Youafool500 we sign 30 as we only had about 8 Senior players and you need a 25 man squad like rest of the teams
@@AndrewClemo91 8 senior players + 30 signings =/= 25 man squad
Forest signed more and more because they kept finding a better player available and wanted them added to the team. I remember early in the first window you made a point of going for O'Brien from Huddersfield for 8mil, he ended up not getting a look in with Mangala, Freuler, Kouyate joining too, and then plus Danilo & Jonjo Shelvey in Jan window.
Not included in squad for 2nd half of season, total waste of money.
@@Tez321 and the 8 we came up with only one as stayed that yates rest gone
@Tez321 and we got rid 10 players in January
"These rules are not designed to create a level playing field".
There it is folks. Football competition will soon be dead.
The playing field has never been level. What these rules do is stop any other clubs paying to play if a wealthy benefactor was to come along. It currently is very much a closed shop. They don't want another city.
Soon?
It's to stop the pollution of the league as a product.
It's like someone buying doctors qualifications and being allowed to practice..it's counter productive.
Jim, are you a reporter who reports the facts or a populist who asks inane and foolish questions to get views?
Never changed from his days at SKY remember the SKY sources! Yea he's a child licking his lips sitting in between debates very childish.
He plays devils advocate.
That way it stimulates interesting conversation.
Jims a radio host for a commercial station that makes money off of the attention he attracts.
He has a City mouthpiece pointing his finger at others.
We are way past asking for integrity.
You know the answer and if you say it's not the very reason you watch this show instead of alternatives, you're lying to yourself.
good luck to forrest from a newcasle fan "
The EPL is corrupt
Couldn’t say it any better. 12 million squad price for Forest when we came up. 151 mil for Bournemouth and 190 mil for fulham… yeah we definitely got a sporting advantage…
wasn't that largely due to most of your Championship tea being loanees - hence the clubs argument for the high spending?
@@andrewharrison7767 which makes perfect sense.
As a Forest supporter, i think we got off lightly! We broke the rules due to bad management! Brought way too many average to bad players and the league table doesn`t lie!
gotta wonder if without lingard if they would have been okay for FFP....
Sheep snagger, division 3 sounds good !
The issue is why can't our owner spend what he wants? He obviously can afford it. Why be dictated from the premier league????
@@anonymousone6075 £10m they paid Lingaard. they should be deducted further points just for that idiocy.
😂👏👏@@creepingbrain
Jordon yet again demonstrating he hasn't a clue what hes talking about by saying Forest bought Lingard when they got him on a free.
Agree, Simon lost his fortune at Palace!
120,000 a week?😂😂
he had the biggest wages at the club?
He didn't play for free though
Well the wages were ridiculous
Toon fan here and i hope Forrest get sorted out fairly,its about time a team took the premier league to court to fight against the corruption being played out right infront of our eyes,Man city and Chelsea are taking the piss out of all of us
Forest will bounce back.. Breached the rules but they will be fine. COYR
How can Man City break 115 rules and not be punished but teams like Everton or Notts Forest get points deducted immediately 🤔🤷
They'll probably fine Man City too,when there is no point because they can afford to pay it . Not saying other Prem teams cant afford fines but Man City have spent well over a billion pounds so a fine is pointless!!
The "structural matrix" mentioned is the problem here.... it wreaks of men in suits deciding who they want in and out of the EPL and who's faces fit....
Yes Bournemouth and Fulham had a bigger wage bill with better players because of parachute payments? ButForest had to start from scratch, Fulham kept a world class centre forward who scored for fun back in the premiership? We had nothing we had to try to compete! Respect! but what are you talking about guys? Give teams a chance to compete! For goodness sake?
"Rules are the rules " is just a cop out!
Arrogantly suggesting that you somehow have the right to ignore the rules is childishly pathetic and just shows you have no feasible defence. Grow up
@@stoneagepig3768 Good name pal.
The caller is spot on and Stefan and Simon simply don’t care about Forest, hence why they take this “you’re very naughty boys” position.
Forest had no sporting advantage over other clubs whatsoever, they had a massive sporting disadvantage.
And …..it was a temporary 1 month breach. We should’ve not co-operated, kept Johnson and kicked the can down the road into the next season (like Everton did).
Newcastle should throw a billion at it in the summer and take the points penalty.
System is shite.
well the PSR rules could be replaced this summer anyway and you can say spend say 70 or 80 per cent on [layers wages transfers and players agents but the problem with that say your liverpool you can spend say 500 million on this but what about a smaller club say luton if they stay in the Pl there 70 or 80 per cent they spend is say 80 million that makes it just as bad the rich clubs already in control makes it virtually impossible for the smaller clubs to compete its already bad now
No we wasn't. Clueless more like..
haha there's no "naughty boys" mentality. Borson is giving you a solicitors viewpoint of the FACTS. It isn't his role to say whether it's fair nor is he here to chastise the club and tell the fans to get on with it. The entire video he sticks to facts and explains WHY this deduction has occurred. That's it. It shows a distinct lack of intelligence on your part to take FACTS as a personal attack. If you want to listen to uninformed radio presenters moaning about it being unfair, go and listen to Alan Brazil moan about how the games gone mad. If you want to actually learn something and avail yourself of the facts without prejudice, then pay more attention when listening to Borson and you'll learn a thing or two. Accept the reality that he knows more about the subject than you do.
Forest should build gradually like all teams that come up. Brighton are doing this and are respected and will keep getting better. Forest went down the chequebook route and it backfired. Stop playing the victim card. You break the rules suck up the deduction. If Newcastle spent a billion, the points deduction could be huge spanning years and could even see them relegated and banned from coming back for a period. You can't break the rules and expect to get away with it
@@TrFjAcOr ohhh I get what you did there. Forest should GROW... like as in grow like trees LOL u r such a vibe
Should be a structured matrix of penalties.
Simon Jordan is hindsight man personified, Lingard had just come of an excellent season with West Ham and I don’t recall him at the time saying it was a terrible decision but please link me the said video.
He sat on the United's bench when he's contract ran down and turned down West Ham.. He's half season at West Ham was the season before then went back to united under the promise from ole that he will play but ended up on the bench likewise with Forest
If Fulham and Bournemouth have a wage problem according to Jordan, then according to the rules Forest had to aider to is sell their best players because of finances? Double standards! Come on? It’s a shambles!
Man City have also broken the rules with 115 charges dating back several years but, as yet, escape penalty for there breaches of the rules. Why have other, newer, breaches been heard before them?
Fulham & Bournemouth had to pay higher wages because they had squads capable of competing in the Premier League. Forest did not, so again.....HOW DID FOREST GAIN A SPORTING ADVANTAGE? They were at a HUGE disadvantage due to massively lower loss allowances & no team to speak of.
When you argument is “the rules are the rules” you are losing an argument. Mitigation is massive in any case.
Not really. he isn't making an argument about whether the rules are right or wrong, only that Forest broke them.
Which is considered in the punishment. Mitigation doesn't make you innocent. You still broke the rules.
Nottingham forest should be relegated for buying lingard as that was criminal lol
he was FREE agent signing on a five-figure salary
Lingard came on a free. His wages came to £5M. Pretty cheap really.
12 mil squad worth coming up in 2022. We had to spend. Does the league not want promoted clubs to challenge. It’s farcical
Don’t want them getting into massive debt been relegated and sold by the owner
@@mattysmith3708Manchester united are 700 million plus in debt 🤷 every country on the planet is in debt 🤷
They have revenue to pay it back no matter what
Have I missed something? ...........Is the fact that 2/3s of your squad left or was out of contract anyone's fault but your club's?
.........Perhaps being over-reliant upon loan players means you shouldn't have got promoted in the first place?
We didn't do anything wrong 4 points is a joke should of just been a fine. First season in the prem at the start we had 7 players we had to spend it's a joke..
Plus 2 of the 3 seasons were in the championship that shouldnt count either
Hope we appeal and win..
‘We didn’t do anything wrong’ hahahahaha
You knew you were going to fail PSR. Instead of selling player(s) in January 2023 you CHOSE not to. You decided that failing PSR and getting deducted points in the following season was preferable to possibly being relegated in that season.
yes you did you broke the rules stop saying you didn't do anything wrong you breached PSR by 34,5 Million pounds i don't enjoy seeing clubs suffer but how the heck will fines be a Deterrent to owners even to the not so stronger clubs who earn so much money in the Pl Forrest got 170 Million for gaining promotion to the PL in 2022
If you broke the rules, you've got to deal with consequences.
Man united have lost money every season for the last 3 years, totalling more than £250 million losses over those 3 years. This is quite easy to search on google.
How come they are allowed double the allowed losses on profit and sustainability ? Corruption at its finest.
it should be 10 points and 20 for administration. 4-6 points is 1 or 2 wins which ANY club doesn't care about. Most clubs will probably cheat now and just get a few points taken off.
What about mancity should be the same fir all clubs
Hold on, Liverpool broke this same rule in 2014 and got a fine.
Shouldn't have wasted £42.5m on Gibbs White. Could've got Scarpa and Zinckernagel for £1.8m
Jessie Lingard was a bad purchase? We got him on a free and he could have flew or flopped. It was a pretty good bet IMHO.
120k a week and millions signing on fee isn't free
@@ashwilliams4959 It's less than we would've paid for a player of the calibre we thought we were getting if we'd had to buy him from another club.............
How dare Forest spend money to try and stay in the Prem? How dare they hold on to their home grown players to sell for the most money? Scum.
They agreed to abide by the rules when they joined the prem. They broke them. They got punished.
How dare you cry over not understanding the rules.
So Simon has been telling us all along that we signed up to these rules, now your telling us they are making the fines/pts as they go along...as we have been saying.
Put a cap on the number of players each team can buy in the transfer window ie no more than 4 in the summer no more than 3 in januaey
good idea, but the clubs won't got for it because their current players will be worth less
"There is no structural matrix to tell you what the punishment needs to be" - EXACTLY!!! That's the whole point you pound shop Martin O'Neill!!
And thats what everton voted for
Everton voted for that…
As a Forest fan I think the Premier League should be broken up into a two tier system: those who break the rules and adopt dubious policies to create profit (i.e. Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc...) and those who abide by the rules (i.e. Brentford, Fulham, Brighton, etc.).
No need. The ESL will do that for you...
To be honest the ffp rules are a joke, and should be scrapped its stopping teams improving or giving them that fighting chance, they is too much politics in the game now and is apart of the reason why its ruining football altogether
Agreed. We don't want relegation or even one day league titles being decided in a courtroom. If you're going to have FFP, then do it before the season starts like they do in Spain. If you're not in budget, you can't register any more players until you are. But ultimately nothing is going to change until there's a more equal distribution of money in the first place. If that was the case, then teams would be able to challenge on talent and building a good squad, rather than having one or two decent seasons before the big clubs descend like vultures on their squad and take them all away.
FFP was introduced when a cartel of American owned clubs demanded its introduction to stifle competition and investment and to protect their position at the top.
@@robertmclellan3658 Exactly altough FFP had the best of investments. It was changed by lobbyist of the American backed teams to ultimatley provide a "golden goose" situation where they could continously move to take out revenue from the clubs without the smaller clubs being able to force to challenge them.
@@TantricBioHacker and with no ffp you'd have 2 maybe 3 teams at top permanently, or have you forgotten how you all cried when you said Chelsea were buying the league, my guess is you are all City supporters feeling hard done by because you missed out on it
@@ipfreely679 What, you mean like in the 90s when it was Man Utd and Arsenal every year? Or the 80s when it was Liverpool every time? We had a few teams dominating long before FFP came into the game (it's even worse in most other leagues in Europe), and it's because the CL money and resulting sponsorship distorts domestic competitions and makes them uncompetitive.
If you want a more level playing field, then it has to start with clubs' income. The issue now isn't that a few teams are dominating, it's that the 'wrong' teams are dominating. A certain small group of clubs have spent 40 years stacking the odds in their own favour, only for some upstarts to come along and ruin everything by having rich backers.
If Everton and Forest were tasked with the same allowances i.e. 105 million versus 61 million then Forest wouldn't even be in trouble at all!
But they weren't in the PL for two years of the assessment period. You can't retrospectively give Forest extra allowance for the years they weren't in the PL. That makes no sense.
@@creepingbrainAccording to the rules, yes but according to logic, no. Why should promoted teams be held to a lesser financial standard/allowance than the big six et al who have squads many times the value of the promoted team? Teams have the same number of players, play to the same set of laws of the game but some teams can spend more than others; how is that a level playing field?
And that threshold has been the same since the regulations were introduced, if they have risen in line with inflation neither EFC nor NFFC would have breached
@@nichemphill8321 - That much I'd agree with; but it's still the same threshold everyone else had to adhere to...... Fairness, basically.
@@airfixx_8952 The thresholds have not been amended since introduction, If they had risen in-line with inflation neither Everton & NFFC Would have breached. The Premier League are making up the rules s they go along
Hello there how do you think that Nottingham forest. Would could complete in the Premier league i am not very happy at all with the Premier league from Rachel
We went into admin to get rid of an asst stripping owner. We didny buy season tickets. It worked. We became English fan owned. Then lost 30 points. Was that fair. Watch you tube luton trouble at the top. You will realise we had more bottle than any fanbase to get fid of gurney. We showed how its done. We didnt buy yelllow and green scarves!!
Well said , this lot moaning about a few points we got battered. FA treated us with contempt !!! But we are still here and fighting!!COYH 🧡
I don’t understand this argument about this being a benefit to the bigger clubs. Don’t you feel as though they would simply buy whoever they want to stay ahead? If you take FFP away from the smaller clubs, the bigger clubs can still outspend you. I’m a palace fan, I wish we spent more on players…but I can’t see how us spending money on players bridges the gap with a top 6 side. It takes years of improvement in a clubs infrastructure to truly bridge these gaps.
That's incorrect, Newcastle on paper are the richest club in the world but can't outspend the top 6 because of FFP. They already have to sell a player to buy one.
@@bluenose7984 and they have already qualified for the Champions League and had their best two seasons in a long while…so excuse me for not feeling too sorry for Newcastle.
The legacy clubs are allowed to run on higher loses due to having many economic levers. Newcastle are allegedly the richest prem club but under prem ffp rules they can’t spent it, City have alleged ,got around that by faking their off field earnings. Why people argue FFP only benefits big clubs.
@@davehudson4144 They are feeling it right now, they haven't got the big squad the top 6 have and cannot pay the same wages as them which brings in the top stars. Hence why they're currently 10th in the league.
He’s saying that the commission said parachute payments don’t create a sporting advantage, which is totally untrue. Those parachute payments went towards keeping and signing very talented players, something which Forest couldn’t do.
Only everton could spend millions over the allocated allowance and still manage to nearly get relegated
A man who's voice sounds exactly like Lee Anderson doesn't like rules - who'd have thought it!
Tell us you are a knob without saying I'm a knob.
He has a different energy talking about other teams compared to talking about man city…
So does Simon Jordan. He listens attentively when Stephen Borson speaks about Everton and Forest but becomes obnoxious when Man City gets raised. The energy will obviously be different
The PL have let City and Chelsea set a terrible precedent.
Luton got 30points , I really don’t know what you’re all moaning about. Luton did the right thing got rid of a bad owner and rebuilt COYH 🧡
I wish qpr had had a 4 point deduction instead of a 42 million pound fine. Forest think youselves lucky
Staying in the Premier League is worth way more than 42 mill.
@@MelGilbert not when you're not in the premiere league it isn't or when you're a small club
@@MelGilbertSo are the parachute payments. It's all gravy, innit.
Break the rules get punished, Deal with it!
Manchester City are facing 115 separate charges under the Fair Play criteria. This goes back years. Their smart lawyers are delaying the process. Yet "smaller" clubs have had points deducted very quickly.
That’s because they said they was guilty and admitted it that’s why it happened so fast. City have denied the charges so it takes a lot longer
Forest and Everton got off easy, Luton got minus 30?
completely different case that happened like 10+ years ago😂
EFC due to building a stadium, Luton had irregular transfer dealings along with 15 misconduct charges not to mention administration, bit different i think
@@george150799 Plus Forest were hanging on for more money which got them more income making them more sustainable.
There is a reason forest had to recruit. Only Jack Colback and Steve Cook had premier league experience at the start of last season. Over the last few windows forest have lost 40+ players too. Yes it was excessive but I'd rather be excessive than competing against Derby's 11 points that season.
Nobody was stopping them recruiting. Just stopping them from spending way beyond their means. Which would put the club in jeopardy if anything should happen to the owner.
They knew the rules. They broke them. They got punished.
Count yourself lucky... It still kept you up for a season and earned you a boat-load of cash..... Even if you get relegated this season you'll still have earned a shed-load of cash thanks to a 2 year EPL run and 3 years of parachute payments. If you've learned from your mistakes you'll simply dust yourselves down, become a better run club and go again.
115 Peep peep peep still waiting 😂
FFP is about pulling the ladder up and making sure the so called elite clubs remain at the top.
As opposed to the way it was before when there was no ladder
its to stop clubs going out of business but okay
@@hustler666100don’t start with logic here mate, fragile Forest and Everton fans are already struggling to cope.
@@hustler666100in its original format, yes; it was meant to make sure clubs didn’t go in massive debt, and if potential owners left the club they would find themselves in a hole of debt. However, the way it is now when the clubs agreed to it, is that it’s not about clubs who are getting in massive debt and being forced to pay off that debt, like what Barça has to do now, instead it’s structured around how much you can spend (and subsequently lose if applicable) in a x years period, which will obviously hurt smaller clubs far more while debt ridden clubs like Man U who were the main drivers for this rule are laughing all the way to the bank. However, clubs like Everton dugs this hole for themselves, by agreeing with the rules when they were written.
Such a childish point of view from the OP...... It takes a 14/20 votes from the composite clubs to get a rule past the EPL club committee... If it's just a 'top 6' protection scheme, then why did another 8+ clubs agree to these rules??????
So the question is will Man City be detected in points or pounds?
Simon ended it strongly
Lingz 😂
Why is it a bad thing our club want to spend? When our owner can clearly afford it? Its none of the premier league business? Being dictated what we allowed to spend?
You agreed to the rules when you came up. Crying because you've been punished for breaking them is just childish.
City, Chelsea, Newcastle....... these rules are stupid
What have newcastle done?
close to ffp thats why Arsenal and M.United have been linked to isaak @@dommilburn8756
Before the Saudis took over Newcastle’s net spend was 13 million in 14 years and they have only spent last two seasons and are well within ffp rules so this clown is clueless even mentioning newcastle
2 out of those 3 clubs now face corruption and financial 'irregularity' charges.....
@@airfixx_8952 it he said newcastle what’s newcastle got to do with anything they have spent about 400 million in 20 years
The government has said that we're can spend what we whant that comes from the government pm
As a Forest fan I don’t understand why this is being debated.
We broke the rules we have got a punishment in which the severity is the only topic for debate , and that is down to a personal interpretation based on reading the document and forming an opinion.
Marinakas took a gamble that with the spending we would be out of sight of the relegation zone , and therefore a fine or a potential other punishment would be factored into the club thinking. I’m not sure he expected a points deduction pre Everton’s case and it’s ended up making us look even more silly than we have with the absurd amount of signings. The argument of if the rules are fair is irrelevant to this at the moment. To bring about change you don’t go and break the current rules and then ask for change. You Follow them and follow the process the league has in place and it’s clear there’s an appetite to make this change. We could have done our business very differently and I think have ultimately ended up punishing ourselves due to our panicking scatter gun approach and no very real threat of relegation. I wonder if we will go up for sale if we go down??
Wow, didn’t expect to see a Forest fan with so much common sense in the comments, lovely to see
I doubt it. Marinakis enjoys being the owner of Forest and he enjoys rubbing shoulders with the other big businesspeople. Even if we go down he will pour everything into getting promoted again so he can go into those lucrative board rooms again imo.
I think everyone agrees really. We broke the rules. We deserve to be punished. But the rules meant we were going to be punished either way.
Disagree completely. The essence of the laws must be questioned to distinguish their purpose. On reflection, Forest were punished for ensuring their club was more sustainable by refusing the first few offers for BJ. By the word of the law we were wrong as this fell in another accounting period, but by the essence of the law we were in spirit of sustainability. I struggle to believe you think that Forest would be doing the right thing by taking an earlier deal which made them less sustainable financially for BJ.
@@sdal5427 I don’t think they should have taken an early deal. But I also don’t think we need to waste money on some players moved on within 6-12 months of being at the club. We can try and paper over the cracks in the rules which I agree need to be changed and discussed . However we also had the opportunity to decide the business we did and surely you can’t believe every signing we made was out of a necessity. The argument would be different if we needed 30 players and need to buy players such as sangare at approx 30m price tag we spent. But we didn’t. As an example on that signing alone we had 3/4 players competing for that position and 2 that have played more football for us than him since he signed. Please don’t interrupt it as me agreeing with the rules as I don’t I think they are geared to keep the big 6 elite and that’s not right. But equally I believe we could have been more savvy with signings, and business such as taking a shirt sponsor. And challenged the rule in conversations with the premier league without the need to put ourselves in a position warranting punishment.
@@sdal5427 Thats a ridiculous argument. Forest didn't fall foul of the rules because they held out for an extra £17m for Johnson. They'd already LONG since painted themselves into a corner by spending circa £250m on 42 players over 3 windows. HOW can you possibly blame this all on the timing of the Johnson deal ?? I mean christ.
So just ignore the rules cheat for 3 years and lose 4 points and they are still moaning. They got away with murder.
They haven’t been in the Prem for 3 years
You clearly have no grasp of the situation.
Don’t know what your club is , but I hope you face the same over zealous punishments in future.
@@PhilMitchell. They were breaching the rules in the championship as well football does exist outside the prem you know
@@mrdan7740 it won't my club is run properly. Not by some lunatic signing 30 players a season on 300k a week.
@@jimmyc7624 Championship and Premier league completely different cooperations
The question is, did Forest come forward and admit the breach? Or did they admit to the violation when they were caught out?
So they got greedy on player A while we had to sell player R on the cheap!
Everton's mitigating circumstances were a proxy war the US/UK/NATO instigated to ensure Blackrock got a foothold in that country for resources when it was finally obliterated! Doris Johnson scuppered the peace deal, and we had to cut ties with Usmanov!
The rules were then changed regarding the interest payments for a stadium that could regenerate N Liverpool and Liverpool to approximately 15 billion pounds!
We are creating employment and opportunities! EITC could also be affected!
Forest complained that they had to ensure they could compete in the EPL because they had a late run of good form that led to success! Boo ** HOO!
So what about manc city then
Whataboutry is a terrible argument
They are exempt, the rules do not apply to the top six sides. It is stated in section 48 paragraph 22.
@@LA-fr7fx thats very true top 6 can spend and do as they please
City's charges
Failure to provide accurate and up-to-date financial information from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
(54 breaches)
Failure to provide accurate financial reports for player and manager compensation from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
(14 breaches)
Failure to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations
(5 breaches)
Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18
(7 breaches)
Failure to cooperate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present
(35 breaches)
⛳
What about your "guilty" plea.....?
Simon, you haven’t got a clue
Where’s Man City’s points reduction and Chelsea Man City have been investigated for years how come Forrest and Everton’s has taken months
It's comparing apples to oranges (and I say this as a Forest fan). Forest/Everton based on their accounts were in breach of FFP for the period being assessed and so have been dealt with accordingly. Chelsea weren't in breach of FFP for the same period, so no charge brought to them (but likely to be in breach for the next period, so if the rules don't change again, expect a points deduction for them in about a years time). Man City is a different kettle of fish. They've not breached FFP, but the accusations brought against them is years and years of accounting fraud, so those accounts which presents them as being FFP compliant, are in fact misstated. It's a far more complex case, will require a great deal of accounting forensics to determine the actual truth, and just by the sheer magnitude of the charges and amount of legal resource City will throw at it to defend themselves, no one should be expecting a resolution to their case anytime soon.
Simon Jordan is absolutely wrong at the end here.
Refer to IC written reasons:
12.97 The Commission is concerned with the trend leading up to the PSR breach in June 2023. It notes that Forest was compliant in the EFL, but then invested heavily once in the Premier League and breached the PSR. That was a negative trend.
"Compliant in the EFL" - we did not breach any EFL rules.
Don’t break the rules, don’t face the penalty. 👍
and be relegated for certain - at least Forest have given themselves a fighting chance to stay in the Prem
No one should getting nothing forest had to spend so why you getting punished its a joke
80% of clubs work within the rules. Forest didn’t… Take your medicine, 4 points is a bargain. Prem wanted 8 but let you off for quick and helpful honest cooperation.
Whilst I agree that Forest should stick within the rules, it’s very difficult to make the step up to the PL if you get promoted without the benefit of parachute payments. A few clubs can do it but they’re forced to sell their best players eventually.
95% of the PL clubs had different rules (Forests unique threshold at £61m was less than every other club in the Premier League)
@@CSWillis Leeds did it, Brentford did it, Brighton did it, Burnley did it, palace did it, Stoke did it, Bournemouth did it (first time) , Swansea did it etc etc. all without the aid of parachute payments and all stayed up without breaking the rules
@@Jiminy_Bob because on the projected business plan objective model each club has to submit yearly even though FFP checks are 3 seasons. Their projected business model showed they were well over their plan and got pulled early. They did thinks like paying up front where as Chelsea and other clubs spread player payments over 3-5 years with buying clubs. That’s why. Everton got pulled up as far as 2021 and didn’t cooperate and lied on their paperwork. Hence why they’re getting done for 2 years in a row because they didn’t stick to the proposals of signing players as agreed and took the biscuit
@@soapboxparishrecordings5287 a fair assessment, my point was the rules were somewhat harsher for us being the value of the Forest squad compared to the other newly promoted teams. £12m v £151m - didn’t really stand a chance.
43 players signed. £300million blown. Nottingham Forest lost the plot and they want sympathy after accepting that they breached FFP/PSR.
😂 didn't spend anywhere near that
Need to research the facts my friend your figures r way off so invalidates your point
@@user-sd7nx7vu6m how much did they spend over the 3 years. In asia at the moment and transfermarkt isn't working properly. So can't check myself.
So sick of listening to crybaby fans phone up and complain about rules that were agreed by their own club.
Wat about man city. Chelsea etc...
Are people really brain dead? Are you going to keep asking this question when you already know the answer?
The answer is - Chelsea and City are too big to punish!
City's charges
Failure to provide accurate and up-to-date financial information from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
(54 breaches)
Failure to provide accurate financial reports for player and manager compensation from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
(14 breaches)
Failure to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations
(5 breaches)
Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18
(7 breaches)
Failure to cooperate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present
(35 breaches)
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Whataboutism?
@@lilbaz8073 you don't say..
If you cheat expect to be punished.
115 charges has entered the chat.
@@rLxJake You do know that nonsense is being thrown out?
Is there anyone who is clearer after the financial expert has explained the rules? Whatever the rules are, they make no sense. There is no structural matrix for breaches? How are there rules then? What nonsense are you talking about? The rules say no structured policy. So there are no rules for the expert to enlighten on. Nonsense. Sophistry. We can see the ranges. Google God.
Forest Til I Die!
4 points isn't enough. They broke the rules, they've known this was coming for years and years before they got into the prem and they wouldn't have been in the prem if they didn't break the rule..
Its not going to help sustainability if championship clubs are encouraged to cheat and spend too much to try and get in the league and beat the points deduction
Double the 4 points they broke the rules
and put man city in the pub leagues
These punishments won't deter anything. 4 points is merely a couple of bad results. It's worth the risk.... Just ask Everton(*) who avoided relegation 2 years in a row thanks to/despite their breaches.... Potentially 3 if they survive this season too.
(*Not their short-sighted crybaby fans tho obv.)
@@anonymousone6075 - Yeh; that too. 👍
4 points is massive to a club thats sitting in the bottom 6 or so in the league and expects to win very few games it's like fining a top 6 team 12ponts @@airfixx_8952
Forest deserved this ! I mean they bought players loan them to Greece
What a comment! The rules are not designed to create a level playing field! Bingo f****** Bango!
Oh, wait! NSS!
It's not the gotcha you'd so dearly like it to be.
@@airfixx_8952 I am not interested in the Gotcha!
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Should get another few points deducted for defrauding spurs of £50m for Johnson
😅😅😅😅
Iam a forest fan but I agree with you iam right in to ffp to have more points taken iav thinking about 60 points taken and to make sure that we're can't buy anymore players for 10 years iav just found out that the owner has got a onother club as well you can only have 1 club not 2
Stefan Borson did not say rules are the rules when he was talking about man city ....
Diff rules... Diff charges.......Different plea......
So in summary, forest and everton fans say:
‘’Let us cheat, let us cheat waaaaaa’’
Iam a forest fan I was upset when we whent up to the premier league the premier league is not very nice iam right in to ffp to take more points from us
As a luton fan lisgening to the forest fan go on about spend and swuad value 😂
Cry more when your back down
@@davidb9531 no crying laughing at you
@@thorntonovski we’ll see how this ages for you
COUR 🔴⚪️ ⭐️ ⭐️ premiership need sort Man City out 115 rules broken still nothing an getting rid it for next season umm this from 2years ago why that so they can join new super league dodgy don’t care if u not top 6 brown envelopes 💰 olive oil vs Saudi oil
The optics are terrible, the big clubs, City and Chelsea are brought to task kicking and screaming whereas the smaller have their consequences applied immediately.
There’s a difference between admitting the charges and and saying your innocent
Different charges, different plea.... Just different basically.
the rules are designed to feed the big clubs
Grow up..... And learn some facts about what you pretend to know about.
Here's a helpful starting point for you: 14/20 clubs.
Forest cheats, Everton cheats. They admitted to cheating and then cry/complain when they punished. Stop your crying and stop your cheating
What if the rules are based on a corrupt and morally absurd basis?
says a Man City fan
The rules being set up to protect Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal is what is causing so much grief.
You cannot get promoted into the premier league and not spend money if you want to be competitive. I am watching our cast offs do their absolute best playing for Sheffield United but they are not good enough. Jack Robinson's a great lad but he isn't Premier League.
We had to spend money to compete and this is out punishment. If Ipswich go up next season then they will also need to heavily invest otherwise they too will not be competitive with their lack of parachute payments.
It's getting more and more difficult got teams to do "a Leicester" because the structures penalise them for trying.
FA docked Forest 4 points to keep it tight at the bottom with Luton only 1 point in front now…again no consistency or guidelines as to what and why they reach the outcome…Forest spent far more than Everton and got more points deducted!
More cheating less points deducted? City will get away Scot free!
More like Stefan bore-son
“If” *cough* when city get found guilty of at least 1 of the charges it CANNOT be anything but points reduction
But of course they won't be found guilty of anything.
@@robertmclellan3658 Because they were already found to be innocent of these same allegations by CAS which is a real court with real judges
They wouldn’t be sitting on it if they were innocent of every charge. They’ll be charges in their they are guilty of hidden amongst the innocence. Provide proof on everything and get it proven now if they are innocent of everything
@@timmoore8623 Are you just plain thick? They submitted and were found innocent by CAS. They provided evidence and were found innocent.
@@timmoore8623 Clearly you don’t understand that it’s for the accusers to prove guilt and not for the accused to prove their innocence.
The only difference is 26 points. Everton and forest have ruined this season cis they cant stick to rules
The best thing that can happen is that forest appeal the case. Narrowly avoid relegation. Then on appeal the points deduction is increased to 6 and they go down.
Borson is a joke. He finds a way to say every club has broken the rules except for city. Okayyyyyy clown!
Oh dear. You are clearly one of the ‘I hate city’ brigade as you cannot take it that they are an exceptionally well run club. You are obviously a fan of Liverpool, Arsenal or Utd.? which is it?
No he didn't he said the charges against city are very different. Do you know what the charges against city are? because no one else does.
@@Abattoirville hahahahahahahahaha um of course I know the charges and the notion that "No one else does' is an absolute joke.
@@Abattoirville a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80;
(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87;
(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12;
(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12;
(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49;
(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51; and
(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51. (1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20;
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20;
(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and
(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20. (a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6; and
(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6 a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16; and
(e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16.
@@Abattoirville There you go. Go ahead and read that.
Rules are rules and you have to abide by them, unless you are Mancheater City
This guy is all about punishing any other club aside from City.
When you throw a hint of suspicion at 115 charges he goes out of his way to defend and shout that they need to be treated fairly and given years upon ye to prepare a defence case.
Talking about a dog...a very loyal dog!
Man city should be deducted 44 pts
Typical deluded forest
You reap what you sow Forest.
Whoever the three teams are who get relegated? NO stupid Parachute Payments and NOT ALLOWED to be promoted the next season? Got to STOP these BUNGEE JUMIPING Clubs? Plus, The manager, all backroom staff and players must remain with that relegated club for a season! And it's the performance of the players and manager who have won relegation so their salaries should be reduced accordingly>
Didn’t say the rules are the rules for Man City tho what a hypocrite stefan is bias corrupt why have him on for controversy ay
The fact is they do not want any team out of the top 6/8 to struggle, you only have to look at the television rights for EFL games blanket payments whilst epl gets per game payments.
Then theres last weeks meeting about filtering money down the tiers that didnt mention it