'They bottled it' - Nottingham Forest penalty claims go unheard against Everton | Analysis | MOTD2
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- Match of the Day 2's Danny Murphy, Phil Jagielka and Mark Chapman discuss the three Nottingham Forest penalty appeals that were turned down during their 2-0 Premier League defeat at Everton.
Murphy says that the VAR "bottled" challenging the referee's on-field decision to deny Forest a penalty for a "stonewall" foul on winger Callum Hudson-Odoi.
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'They bottled it' - Nottingham Forest penalty claims go unheard against Everton | Analysis | MOTD2 
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Mate. What is this going to achieve? What has being professional before achieved. Something has to change and I'm glad Forest have said something. We can't just keep ignoring incompetence
It's not incompetence it's corruption and bias
@@jeffbezos2570 More chance of you being the real Jeff Bezos than finding any evidence of that.
The only place that I can see this ending is in court, two by Young and the Grealish one were nailed on pens. Add to that the mystery of the offside line being drawn over the Man U player's foot that made the Coventry player look offside then its no wonder people are openly making accusations.
Embarrassing from Pgmol and media personalities to support these idiotic decisions. Utter disgrace.
Not supporting the decisions. They are against claims of corruption that provide no evidence and are highly toxic for the game.
Not shocking at all these shills get paid to hold up the corruption, every single fan agrees with Forest but every media personality disagrees. Says it all
@@futurememories1660 No evidence? Crackhead
How bad do decisions have to be and how frequent before it looks corrupt? This season has sunk to new depths of officiating.
@futurememories1660 the corruption and bias is in plain sight for all to see.
Yet it is the accusations you call "toxic for the game".
I’m an Everton fan and I admire what Forest have just done. They are right, no matter what, they warned the PGMOL that the VAR was a Luton fan and as such, they should never be appointed for this game. It’s disgraceful.
Big up Forest it was time someone started taking action against these idiots
There is no action they can take . The only action that will now come from this is Forrest being investigated for taking to social media like a 13 year old little girl. No class which is a shame for a club like Forrest
Why can’t Forest imply a fix? How long can the pundits keep blaming this on incompetence? The third penalty claim cannot be incompetence!
Forest have made a strong stand and it makes sense.
That was cheating and they have the right to complain. We are not in the colonial era where people should be afraid to complain for fear of retaliation
"Colonial Era" has zero to do with any of this.
Yeah but we arent in a comm country either.
X offered total freedom of speech. Why should the pundits have the right to say Forest should be penalised, amongst other heavy penalities for calling out clear bias and cheating.
Outlawing the outlaws 👊
*STOP PROTECTING THESE MATCH FIXING REFS*
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 FROM W.X.M
well said... the money and influence behind the scenes is so big they are at present untouchable
You think it's only the refs who are match fixing?
This happened to Leeds a couple of weeks ago, two clear penalty’s denied and yet what happened ? The ref got promoted to the Premiership the following week. WTF is going on.
There all mates, they don’t care about the game
Some of the refs have made horrible decisions & it is time they are called on it the better.Lets fast forward this year's winner of the EPL isl team x who have ten letters of Apology from the FA .😢
old pals act!
betting syndicates from the richest and most powerful people in the world who own the PGMOL, that is what is going on. Don't be surprised if these refs are microchipped and privately bought and mind-controlled, we have the tech to do it these days
Refs are so inconsistent knowing that the Pgmol are scared to realise the decisions were incorrect. Forest had the right to call them out.
"They" didnt bottle it, the refs did
🤣
“I don’t understand what VAR did”. They simply ensured that Forest would lose the match. That’s what they did. This is not complicated. Forrest is duty bound to point out this level of officiating incompetence in the game.
WHY???
3 penalties not given is definitely not a coincidence. This clear & obvious error rule is stupid as it can be interpreted in so many different ways. An error is an error plain & simple, why complicate things.
Exactly if it’s a pen it’s a fuckign pen no clear and obvious about it 😂😂
Forest were cheated. Let's say it as it is. Even a five year old kid could have got those decisions right
*Might* be a Luton fan? Do your research he IS a Luton fan, Pundits my arse.
😂😂😂
Don’t matter if the ref didn’t give it, var would have still overturned it.
not so sure.
I dont know why pundits etc knocking Forest as they were staying facts. We heard from former refs and even Michael Oliver that if you have a affiliation with a club or family members do then you dont ref those clubs.
The ref & VAR didn't bottle it. They just followed orders
Football is corrupt on and off the pitch .
A penalty was given against wan bisaka against Coventry in the FA cup semi final for ball to hand and it’s quite clear wan bisaka tried to pull his trailing arm in. This was not the case with Everton
We hear "he got the ball" every week in football. Where is that in the laws of the game that if you get the ball, something isn't a foul? It's probably the most ridiculous phrase in the game. Getting the ball doesn't excuse a foul. Ever.
Sorry my friend but in the day of proper football if you got the ball you could legislate for taking the man - now it’s all impetus and trailing leg shite
If he wins the ball 1st then it's not a foul, unless it's dangerous eg. two footed.
Also he very clearly did not get the ball in at least one of them.
@@johncarter9658 what rule is that? You're literally claiming that someone can get the ball then go thump someone. The "get the ball first" gambit is a complete misnomer.
@TheDradge I'm litrally not claiming that at all, as i put "unless its dangerous" so let's not put made up words into the discussion. This is football, it is a contact sport. If you don't like that, then maybe netball or something is the game for you. Obviously, I'm not saying you can win the ball 1st then go and headbut someone or chop someone in half 2 footed in the knee, but if you challenge strong and fairly for the ball, win the ball 1st and your body follows through and wipes the man out, that's a good tackle in the game of FOOTBALL.
This saga just further proves how out of touch the media, pundits and organisations are from the public, who keep the whole system running.
As a Forest fan, our reaction on Twitter was a bit embarrassing, however it's quite literally week in and week out we get F'd by VAR
So do EFC USUALLY. About time we had a couple go for us. Sorry for you guys though
Was this the FA’s way of giving Everton a win for having deducted them points?????
Why there are no highlights of incident of the game against Everton. Look for it everywhere but cannot find one.
CORRUPTION AND MATCH FIXING IS WHY. Sky Sport and the sports media are obviously backing the corruption or they would not try to cover it up. Sky Sport is an American company who put money ahead of the game and are trying to maintain the glamour clubs as a money earning spectacle. They don't care about fair contests
How can they say it wasn't in Lutons best interest that forest lost?!?!😂
I was SHOCKED to hear that from the 3 clowns - except u're an idiot, u'd know that it pays Luton to see the team closest to them in the fight (Forest) not get any points.
Forest are 12 points worse than Everton. Everton are better than Forest and Luton. Clear. For this reason alone, smart Luton fans know that dragging Forest into the relegation mix is better than dragging Everton in.
Both Everton and Forrest have been unfairly treated by the league this season and would otherwise probably be safe. It seems like the more money a club has the more you can get away with braking the rules . . . Why has say the likes of Man City lost points?
Man City should lose points for their FFP crimes but until they start cooperating they should lose points until they cooperate, and if we are wrong give their points back. Premiership and FA are so corrupt, and Money speaks
A bizarre situation WTF. This was obviously going to happen sooner or later.
When you see cheating or being kind, bias, you call it out.
Are Refs and VAR above scrutiny.
Murphy talking sense!
If I’m in the bottom 3. It’s obvious I want the team 1pt above to lose! Can’t believe this ain’t understood.
17 incorrect decision this year. 8 have lead to draws and one loss. All by one goal. We get half of those decisions weee safe. On average 1 incorrect decision every 2 games for Forest.
The difference between official corporate media outlets and fans is startling and suspicious.
Football media is so bad it’s easy to see forest frustration clearly getting bad decisions to often but the handball was shown by VAR many times and didn’t give penalty it’s blatant why is this and the fouls not being taken about at all it’s a joke
If a supposedly competent referee makes what is generally agreed as 3 wrong decisions out of 3 penalty calls, one must question his integrity, as what other factor is there? Attwell & his family support Luton Town - thus denying Forest a win or a draw, assists Luton Town.
*People of the future:* On this day in 2024, corruption and double-standards were rife in Premier League football. On this day in 2024, despite some initial humiliation, Nottingham Forest became the official voice of sporting integrity. On this day in 2024, sporting fans around the world united forces to hold professional sporting organisations and pundits accountable for double-standards and corruption.
Welcome to the world of Everton this season!
Let's face it, there's definitely a possibility of corruption at play! Why would referees be immune to game rigging especially when huge bets are waged?!
How scared are TV personality’s to go against the PGMOL? What is going on genuinely. How many years of this do we have to go through. Newcastle fan here but the arsenal arteta situation, Liverpool tweet, this one.
They are all cowards, frightened of derailing the gravy train from which they slurp.
Why not just say cheating officials, one or two games is incompetent but few decisions every couple of weeks
This is the same Nottingham Forest that publicly celebrated VAR for not giving 2 stonewall penalties against them in the play off final? 🤔
Oh guess what the third one wasn’t even checked. Even though sky sports said LIVE check over.
Var didnt even check the third penalty. That's how bad it is.
In rugby the referee and video referee consult each other openly with spectators hearing . Why that doesn’t occur in football is a mystery to me. It suggests VAR and referee can collude to change the outcome of the game in favour of one team or the other!!! What else do they have to hide?
Rugby players respect the referee and don’t hound them when a decision is being made, footballers are like children and I can only imagine their language when gathered in their pack around the ref, the commentator would be apologising every couple of minutes…
2 FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley.....Chelsea no pen for a hand ball, Coventry pen for a handball a day later. Very dodgy.
VAR needs to be removed, it was supposed to fix errors but seems it creates even more with insane amounts of stoppage time going into double figures.
The other divisions manage to survive without it fine...why exactly is it needed??
Everyone should hear the audio, it's a smarter move.
They didn't bottle it. Guaranteed if pep or klopp were screaming at them it would have been given
Pep every time especially as Anthony Taylor is a Man City fan, but Liverpool have been corruptly penalised a number of times especially at Spur
I think the 14 clubs that are not with elite six, should leave the premier elite league and leave the six to play each other every week . And 14 start again in a new league called the fair play league.
What have the elite six got to do with decisions in an Everton v Notts Forest match. Even if they had separated then these decisions today would still have been made.
@@johncrawford610 haven't you figured out why the same clubs win all the same trophies year in year , it has become sterile and boring, and you surely must have worked out why . So the so called elite clubs should bugger off and play amongst themselves.
@@user-cs1dt2xw4cthis season alone liverpool and arsenal have many decision wrongly againts them, especially liverpool. If the referee a litle more competent, city would already far more behind liverpool and arsenal
Financial Fair Play rules exist to prevent small clubs from overreaching and to keep big clubs at the top.
@@karaEL19 spot on.
This is what is needed, some of the "inconsistencies" are either A. Bias or B. Incompetence, either way that means change is needed to make things fair
THREE decisions go against Forrest who warned pre-match that a Luton fan on VAR might be a problem for their survival chances, are told to apologise for stating the facts after that happened exactly. 😯😯😯
Guaranteed they'll get fined for it too. You only get away with that kind of talk if you're a top six club 🤷
Danny Murphy might not being completely honest here. When he played Howard Webb refereed. It was widely believed on the terraces that he was Fergusson's favourite referee. And strangely now heading PGMOL in a year that has been a complete disgrace. If there was no bias in the Everton v Forest game then the answer is total incompitence. VAR is not the problem, it is the officials that are the problem.
And since when do you allow officials to moonlight in Qatar, picking up huge wages from a country that owns a premiership club, seriosuly? No potential conflict of interest there 🙄
Rematch
A lot of discussion about Forest and Everton having points deducted for financial reasons. No mention at all of the 12 points Forest have lost this season due to diabolical refereeing decisions, and that's before this match kicked off. Now this. Forest are 100% correct to start saying something if they have to abide by financial regulations which are unreasonable at the outset (put in place to protect the top teams who managed to build their empires before the regs were applied), the very least we as fans have a right to expect is that the refereeing structure is at least functional. My suspicions of there being political reasons behind this (everything in English culture is being broken down because we voted to leave the EU) appear to be proven correct the more I see happening every day. Simon Jordan attacking Forrest for "questioning someone's integrity" only has a point if that someone/system can respond by proving that they have sound integrity and leaving Forest with egg on their face. As it is, Forest will be attacked by PGMOL and the PL for saying what they've said, if only to act as a smokescreen for the fact that this has been, once again, a cockup of monumental proportions that they are going to try and teflon their way out of. How many unbiased amateur supporters, had they been in the VAR seat, would have let these penalties go? It is extremely fortunate that we don't have to play Luton again this year.
Everybody is just bribed
They're about to get married?
Baseless accusation
Chelsea fans has been complaining about this referee for like forever!!!
There's something going on!
Got to look after the top six!!
Every team's set of fans have been there. You wonder if the VAR guy has fallen asleep or something. I remember a midweek merseyside derby a number of years ago at Anfield when VAR should have sent off Trent, Robertson and Van Dijk. The first two should have gone for violent conduct stamping on opponents. Van Dijk was last man of defence pulled down the Eveton forward in the box. No penalty and no red card. To make such a big fuss about just two games when it happens to so many other clubs usually outside the top six baffles me. Also nobody at MOTD was prepared earlier in the season to speak out about the hate speech Rodri received from a Forrest player at the Etihad. A few penatly claims seem to be more important than calling out hate crimes on the pitch.
The problem is the "clear and obvious error" rule. The VAR is a qualified referee and should be able to make these decisions. The referee should also be able to say "I don't have a good angle on this" and let VAR decide. That would also serve to save time from the ref running to the screen every time.
I'm on Nottingham forest side
No point in declaring allegiance as a referee. You can always claim your professionalism outweighs any allegiance. However the choices you make subconsciously can’t be recognised by a person so it is a flawed argument to claim professionalism.
Leaving all that to one side, it is clear that the PGMOL like all institutions will protect its own first. Even if fellow refs agree some decisions maybe wrong, there are no consequences of any value that comes from making mistakes as a ref. You are told to forget it and move on whilst clubs and fans pay for their mistakes
Taylor and Oliver do not get questioned by their colleagues
I stand with forest
At least Phil is brave enough to say it’s a penalty.
These pundits are doing my head in saying Forrest can't complain about either blatant cheating, or monumental incompetence, of course they can.
The sooner they release rhe audio footage, the better. If they don't, it just makes them look even more guilty.
Audio shud have been available the next day, the fact it still hasn’t been released says it all.
Blatant corruption!
None of the penalty claims were as clear and obvious mistakes as the one Huddersfield were denied in the playoff final!! Don’t hear Forest banging on about that.
Mark Clattenburg: A ref who never understood the advantage rule. Palace fan.
I do not blame Nottingham forest for actual The. We’ve had this all season all the problems with the Premier League and the referee body. They’re so crop. I’ve been paid paid.
Not sure why Luton would have wanted a draw. Everton had a point more, a game in hand and an easier run in. They may even be safe by the time they play Luton.
They bottled it? Maybe they just didn't have a coping mechanism and turned directly to taking drugs, Danny?
Forrest got into the premier league because of VAR, they can get kicked out because of it 🤣
This to me was total incompetence by var operator frit to pull up pitch ref to re study film of replay - to much respect or fear of repercussion of bringing it up……..
If the game was played for no money it would be a bad decision. But the fact is football has silly amounts of money. The football authorities could apply lots of technology to make it 99% accurate. They don't. Anthony Taylor has the body language / mannerisms of someone who think he is always right.
Ashley Young throwing his hands up in the air gave away his guilt for the first. The second has been given nearly all season and changing interpretation now is not justifiable. The third tells you just how poor the VAR process is. The richest league in the world with the worst officiating.
Who needs sympathy when? Change and proper officials are what’s needed
Really crap defending by Forest, very lackadaisical, no urgency, allowed Everton far too much space. If they go down they have themselves to blame, crap management and very poor manager. By contrast, Dyche had his players well drilled, played with aggression and on balance they had a more skilled team.
"What do they expect from this?" Maybe change? Maybe better referring? Maybe listening to the fans and clubs?
VAR for goal line decisions only !! The game is being ruined !!
A club fighting relegation and one just comes out with an excuse of incompetence . Not a Forest fan but this is terrible for football. Its easy for everyone to say its shameful what Forest did but do understand one's situation with such injustice .
Not bizarre at all, is what all clubs should do if they are in the situation and end up like this but nobody talk about trying to be a world footbal league has to take everything in consideration including VAR and referee, la liga and bundeslinga are all over Premier league and they can complain about referee
VAR - is there for this reason - apology no good we want a replay - stinks of being cheated other than fact we played poorly anyway but these might of swayed game in our favour by first goal score - disgusting and these incompetents want to be made answerable -
Man City would have got 4 penalties there.
Bad for the game.. English top flight football is corrupt
It's not Nottingham forest it's a fan im football
Well done to the owners
Never mind the penalties, what about all the other poor decisions by this ref. This game had a litany of bad decisions that could have changed the outcome had they been given. Such is life, get over it.
Forest are 100% correct
Dragging Luton into this is bonkers. An Everton win is the last thing the Hatters needed as the toffees still have to go to the Kenny.
This is pure ridiculous, stop being biased. How can you protect wrong doings??
City Football group owners employ PGMOL refs in Saudi pro league, while this might not technically be “corruption” (because for some inexplicable reason it’s allowed) it’s such a conflict of interest and so disturbing that the idea that these refs are biased, paid off, intentionally fixing games seems completely possible/likely. It will all be exposed eventually.
Ex everton player comments ....ffs
Poor decision making it effing terrible. Stop towing the line and say what everyone else thinks.
Why didn't Forest make it known BEFORE the game that they had mentioned that VAR was a Luton fan. ?
Can you read?
They did !!!!!!jeez
Attwell has been VAR for forest twice this season and they never complained.
In their statement they said they warned them that VAR was a Luton fan.
He’s obviously being sarcastic guys
Young is a liability!
Get a grip Forest. Your promotion to the Premier league was through a VAR disgraceful decision that went in your favour and even at your promotion parade thing, you were all laughing and singing about John Moss and Loving VAR. Also, this season at your place, Everton should have had a penalty against you when Coleman was clearly whipped out. What about the 4 points deduction too when Everton got a 10 points deduction and you only got 4 for a much worse breach?
Clattenburg would say this he works for Nottingham Forest as an Everton fan I remain the Everton v Liverpool Derby when he sent 2 Everton players off and didn’t even care a Liverpool play for a tackle in the penalty area more akin with attempted murder than an illegal rugby tackle . . . This after spending 1:03 summer in USA and sharing a flight with the team. Having said this SKY’s X-ref Gallagher who was a much better ref than Clattenburg said only 1 out of the 3 were penaltues. If you want injustice try the fact Everton have had years upon years of being denied clear penalties. Just 2 given the whole season. Plus we had one year were had only 1 given on the last day of the season . . . It actually wasn’t a penalty but was given to cover up the facts as Everton had 9 clear penalties not given that season. Refereeing in English is a joke they do not know what they are doing and are bias more than the metropolitan police.
It's one of two things, either the PGMOL puts consistently incompetent refs in charge of decisions, which means they need to be stepped down or they are complicit in the biased decisions or lack thereof, which means they are corrupt.
The third option is the refs are the best available, but still not capable of running VAR well because football is a sport built on subjective calls looking for objective officiating.
The PGMOL coming out and apologizing does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Both the title race and relegation battle is NULL AND VOID this season. EMBARRASSING from the referees. Both Liverpool and Nottingham Forest have been absolutely shafted.
Forest got skanked
Refs are crap, I am not interested in Forrest
But as a football fan the refs are crap