Should you do FACE PULLS like Jeff Cavaliere or Mike Israetel? (Who is Correct?)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I love me some face pulls. But how to do them? Should you do them with more of an external rotation focus like our favorite family friendly fake weights flinging fiend Jeff Cavaliere of Athlean-x fame, or with more of a laid back, straight back internally rotated rear and side delts approach like Mike Israetel of Renaissance Periodization?
Oh, this is gonna be a hell of a showdown.
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Copyright claim by Athlean-X from the automated system, which is fair enough, I left in some of those clips a bit long. Enjoy a piece of carrot cake on me, Jeff. :) This is why I don't monetize my channel, as I don't have to rely on ads to support myself!
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You should put longer clips from multiple creators and let them fight over who copyright claims it...
This is so ridiculous that someone can take money from a whole video because of a minuscule part of it. This is outright theft.
@@kwastek Well, it didn't take money from me as I never monetize anything. Often when I make dope edits I get a claim from some big Hollywood conglomerate.
I think it's fair. There has to be some way to protect content creators. It's not perfect but it's not a copyright strike so doesn't impact my channel at all, at least. I recommend this vid by Tom Scott on copyright RUclips issues, it's actually pretty interesting:
ruclips.net/video/1Jwo5qc78QU/видео.html
@@kwastek The worst part is that it falls under FairUse. He's not stealing intellectual material. In fact he's directly referencing the source material and its owner, and making comments about it. Claiming content under those circumstances is not only immoral, its illegal I'm pretty sure.
But its sad the state RUclips is in. Where you can't even review or leave an opinion about something without being punished in some way. Its like being a child all over again.
@@helphowdoinputusername3571 yes, it's fair use. But big channels or large companies have the upper hand here. Just how it be.
@@GVS if you want to know how long is safe. Emp Lemon said under 20 seconds uninterupted is most often safe and that 25+ is already risky
When you said that ROM Boys - Rhomboids joke I compulsively internally rotated my shoulder and pressed the like button so hard I almost tore my rotator cuff
10/10 would do again
I guess that makes this an "oof, the cuff" comment.
@@GVS Are you proud of that one? Because you should be.
I feel like the Jeff way always makes my joints feel sooo much better in the shoulders. I do it for a therapy/stretch standpoint more than a strength/hypertrophic one
@@fasterhigherlonger8389 Check again 😂
Yeah, his way is much more shoulder-friendly and ever since I have been doing it that way, I have noticed way better shoulder health.
me too
He actually always said "it is a corrective exercise"
I don't understand the amount of hate here
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I personally prefer using Jeff’s form. Feels pretty damn good on the shoulders
I use it that way too as I use more for therapeutic reasons
Yeah, it feels much better, and tbh my shoulder hurts when doing upright rows, so Im defo more on Jeff's side here
Same for me.
Even dr. mike sais that you shouldnt do upright row if it hurt. So you are kind of a way following their boths advise
I been doing it Jeff x way but will try using MI way as well.
When I first started training, I worked with a rehab focused coach. He introduced me to face pulls for fixing rounded shoulders and whatnot. Being the meathead that I am, I started progressively loading them until I was doing the whole stack for sets of 6-8. The thing is, my traps EXPLODED. Like to the point people would ask me what I did for my traps. Of course it was heavy deadlifts and ohp that helped, but the only thing I did that might be out of the ordinary were those heavy ass face pulls. Face pulls will get you scary traps AND no shoulder issues, it's a win-win. 10/10 highly recommend.
You were doing it with overhand grip or with externally rotated shoulder like jeff?
@@mugtaba9370 Overhand, pulling straight back. Right in line with your eyes or nose.
@@gofityourself1WHAAT THE FAAACK?! FACEPULLS FOR GODLY TRAAPS?!?
Idk man, but doing face pulls fixed my failing marriage, AND my missing dog came back home!! Best exercise ever if you ask me!
LOL I am became superman after one year of doing face pulls
😂
So you're saying it gets you a country music song that is played in reverse?
I can hear Dr Mike's voice when reading this comment 😂
I noticed your beard asymmetry and I can't unsee it
Dont worry it's gonna be pretty symmetric in the next video😂
@@GVS 😱
His beard here lacks cheek growth its very chin strap esque@@dicrurusparadiseus
Mike actually points out in his video that the low bar setting is just one of many possible settings. He explains that the principles of the exercise he advocates for can be applied with almost any rope height, resulting in distinct upper back activation patterns.
Exactly. That's why I like Mike so much man, there's not only 1 way
Main point is there’s many ways to perform any given exercise, especially based on the intended goals... Unless you’re Ryan Humistone, who claims he’s not doing facepulls, while literally doing facepulls. 😂
The dude gets a ton of crap, but one thing I respect about Ryan..is he never trolls and calls people out to get click bait. Dude has almost reached 1million subs in 2 years. It took Doucette almost a decade.
@@rocketeightyseven1823 ".is he never trolls and calls people out to get click bait" True dat. Unlike our Geoffrey.
@@jackregan2899 I'm seeing more and more on these RUclips fitness channels...that if you even disagree with the topic..it gets deleted. I'm never disrespectful..or vulgar...just sharing opinions. I'm about done with all of them except Humiston and Doug Brignole. I loved Ric Drasin's channel, but he passed away. Ric's Corner is a great channel.
I'm just sick of the drama. Like this video...all I said is that I don't like either movement. I think face pulls are a waste of time. Using a cable machine..with attachments at the top..and pull in an X pattern...is safer for the rotator cuff...and it flows in the pattern of the anatomy of the muscle. Comment got deleted. Go figure.
@@rocketeightyseven1823 The single biggest thing I respect about Ryan is the incredibly rapid rate he grew his channel, as he identified a unique niche for himself & jumped on it. It’s actually incredible how fast he’s grown, & that alone has been inspiring to see how someone could go from 0-900k in basically 2.5 years, not to mention how quickly he produces his videos.
Unfortunately I don’t respect much of the content he produces anymore (his original older videos were much better quality info than this past year or so), as he now makes a lot of stuff up as he goes that’s often is less safe and/or less effective for most people. I don’t have time to get into all the specifics here, but it upsets me as a fitness professional who cares about helping people to see him spewing nonsense & advice that’s often far from ideal in much of his content.
Don’t make the mistake of correlating the amount of subscribers a channel has to the quality of information or knowledge they have and offer in their content. That’s a big misconception on social media & RUclips, & unfortunately the size of someone’s following often causes many people to watch & listen to the info the larger channels present over the smaller channels, which might actually be higher quality. VShred is a perfect example of a very large channel that does nothing but spew misinformation to prey on beginners, & sadly tons of people still follow him & buy into his nonsense every single day.
PS: I have the unique honor of being the ONLY channel Ryan has ever called out by name in any of his videos, because I used to respectfully hold him accountable in the comments of his videos whenever he presented bad or potentially dangerous info. And for the record, I actually like Ryan as a person, as I think he’s a decent guy & really like what he does to help shelter dogs…..but I lost a lot of respect for him professionally over time based on the largely bad info he’s been presenting in his content. I’m concerned he’s going to actually hurt people with some of his advice, if he hasn’t already…..
@@rocketeightyseven1823 Absolutely agree. The high quality channels gain their audience by the quality of their content not by making drama videos, natty or nots etc.
As a PT in training I side more with Jeff. I somewhat disagree with your opinion but I see and understand your Point Geoff. From my point of understanding body mechanics and the shoulder joint I see Jeff's way as the superior one. Probably not for mass but for overall shoulder health and longevity in the gym.
I know it is somewhat of a meme but I would be mindful when it comes to raising your arms paired with internal rotation. It always makes me think of impingement syndrome right away. Internal rotation makes it much more likely to suffer from impingement while external rotation does the opposite.
Jeff's way also looks much less taxing on the wrists.
I like getting the best of both worlds, I mainly go external rotation with fake weights but I still go all the way down to a hard RPE 3 set (I make sure to shake my whole body after I finish so everybody knows how hard it was).
I do incline reverse one legged kettlebell bosu ball facepulls as per Ryan Humistons advice
ROMboys joke was good, don’t mind the haters
I personally like Jeff's facepull it helps my shoulder from years of playing baseball
Which Jeff?😅
Glad you're promoting your book more it's good shit my man
Thank you geoff! I was 120kg at 6.1 no muscle whatsoever, your videos helped a lot at losing that fat also building a decent amount of muscle at the time. I'm currently 66kg 12-15 bodyfat. Feeling great :)
This guy's quickly becoming my favourite fitness RUclipsr. I personally don't have machines or strong bands in my home gym. I do facepulls with gymnastics rings.
I also change the way I pull my bodyweight inverted rows using rings when I'm fatigued to not only be able to get a few extra reps and also get a different feeling or squeeze in my back. For example, when I'm starting the set I might do the rows in a supinated way and when my biceps are fatigued I switch to an overhand to give the biceps a rest and try to flare more to be able to get some rear delt activation.
I think athlean X is just extremely risk averse. Too much if you’re a serious bodybuilder or power lifter. But he got me where I am. So I’m thankful for it. Spamming his version of face pulls have made my rear delts quite strong and full.
Absolutely love what you had to say about mixing up the type of pulls due to the upper back being so complex!Definitely the best most logical way IMO.
For me, Jeff's version is the best. That's because I've broken my right collarbone, and separated that same shoulder a couple of times. If I do it any other way it causes pain. There are so any variables that it's impossible to account for everything in a video.
Wait I’m confused, you said don’t blindly listen to you, so I didn’t, but by not listening to you, I now have taken your advice thereby listening to you, and since I listened to you, I have went against your advice to not listen to you and now I can hear colors and smell numbers
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Good nuanced opinion. Definitely started my journey with Jeff's videos and that's sort of how I find myself doing the facepulls, but I really like how they feel when I do them so I kept doing it and keep progressing. No single right way of doing it for sure.
Im gonna consider this the only cohesive video on this topic. The use of continuum was perfect or like spectrum. Every style just emphasizes differently and its honestly nice someone has affirmed what ive been thinking lmao awesome video man thanks
There is a trade-off for varying the way you pull. Benefit is that you stress a wider variety of muscles. Cost is that it becomes harder to track progress consistently. I'd recommend those going for variety choose one way for each set and record that specifically, so when you look back at it next week, you know what you're actually comparing.
I don't think anyones advocating for treating these all the same. Do you vary your exercise selection more often than every couple of Mesos? I like changing it up but you're going to spend all your time relearning the movement instead of progressing in strength if you change it all the time
Both are good as long as they don't bother your shoulders. I actually enjoy the neutral grip version. Performed with a D grip pulldown attachment.
I totally agree with the message of the video. Upright rows are not dangerous if performed with reasonable technique. A-X also has videos on why the bench press is so bad for the shoulders and you should never get the barbell anywhere near your chest. He probably thinks that the best press is the close grip pin press bouncing the bar unevenly from the pins with 315lbs on the bar :). I am sure that would be awesome for your shoulders.
One thing i have learned is that there is never a single exercise or way you have to do something in bodybuilding and fitness.
The only exercises i could see being truly 100% necessary are sport-specific exercises if you wanna compete in that sport(SBD for powerlifting, clean and jerk for olympic weightlifting, etc)
(Not saying you should only do them if you wanna compete you can certainly do them anyway non competitively,)
But in terms of just pure hypertrophy you can replace anything with alternatives
Like i dont need facepulls because i already train rotator cuffs and the rear delts and my upper back. Theres no purpose for me to do it as i already have good alternatives/even better alternatives(alteast subjectively to me) for it.
You can replace deadlifts with barbell rows for back, you can replace barbell rows with chest supported rows, you can replace benchpress with dumbell press or smith machine press( 💀) you can even replace it with incline bench or flyes(Decline benches are bad due to soggy lower chest like how front raises are bad due to already developed anterior deltoids but still you can do them as long as you balance it out with upper chest development).
I can go on and on and yes some are worse and some are better but you can just balance it out.
If front raises overdevelop your anterior delts then balance it by overdeveloping the lateral delts and rear delts, easy. Balance decline benches out with and incline bench or low to high flye. Etc
No One Beat Jeff Cavalier In Face Pulls
He's The World Record Holder For a reason
yeah he moved 500lbs as fast as the breeze
@@anandhua.b4589 500 kg *
@@whitebeard9345 oh sorry, silly mistake on my part
Lol your editing skills are just above bugenhagens and somehow it works!
Hahaha not saying much. Actually I love his edits...so basic but it just works.
Both are correct. I do the "Face Pull" variant somewhat similar to Dr. Mike Israetel as a safer substitute for an upright row/high pull in order to build my traps, rear delts, etc. This cable version feels much better on my shoulders than a dumbell/barbell upright row or high pull.
Whichever way gives the best pump, am I right, all about the pump
Earth shattering
Mind blowing
Extremely extreme.
No, no you are not.
Wow, I kinda actually had this question so amazing that you just released this today!
I do face pulls for upper back and rear delts hypertrophy so I perform them using the technique that Dr. Mike recommended in the video. I think that it’s better for bodybuilding purposes. I don’t do any prehab work. I just focus on maintaining good technique on lifts, managing fatigue and gradual progressive overload. In general, I focus on improving my body’s ability to recover better to reduce the risk of injury.
Impinging my shoulders over the last year made me realize that I should have put in deliberate effort on the rotator cuff muscles. Yes, I had a push-pull workout that covered rear delts but I didn't deliberately workout out the rotator cuff muscles.
I love how objective you are
Complimenting the good stuff and critisizing the bad stuff, keep up the good work man
Dude it's fucking amazing how someone from the English community of fitness is opened to different exercises execution.
I speak Spanish and in this community (Spanish community) few people talk about Jeff Calievere and his supposed degree of strength training. Great content, greeting.
I have had pinched nerves on both sides of my neck for a couple of years. In physical therapy, they had me doing several external rotation exercises, which helped a lot. But my shoulders and arms aren't near 100%. I'll be doing the face pulls the Cavaliere way, aa well as doing some of his other exercises for the rotator cuffs. I would advise everyone to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles to avoid problems before they happen.
Awesome!!!, Been waiting for this video for a while. I really appreciate you dude👍
00:36 Small correction. Jeff cavaliere recommends a NEUTRAL grip. Dr mike uses more of a overhand grip.
What has he constantly misrepresented, exactly? This is my first video I’ve seen of Schofield.
The video I’ve been waiting for… GVS delivers!
Legend. Missed a great opportunity to drop in a Minsc quote though - when pulling the rope think:
“GO FOR THE EYES BOO!”
The fitness x CRPG niche is a small but vibrant scene (!). We need more swole nerds bruh
By no means a Jeff fanboy but in my opinion he is correct. The only right way to do it is his way. The only reason you would include this and similar rotator cuff exercises is specifically to strengthen those muscles.
If you want to build mass there are superior options for every muscle.
If you're doing a prehab/rehab type movement then do it for that purpose and with proper form. If you want mass there are tons of rows and shrug variations that let you progressively overload better for muscle development.
Liking because it is you but commenting for that Yujiro back screenshot
I think it makes more sense to use this exercise with focus on the back shoulder rather than the rotators, there are better and safer options to target the rotators
I just got a home gym and was doing this the athlean way but I just didn’t feel like it was targeting the muscles I wanted to work on. I though that it ME that was doing something wrong.
So glad I found your video because it just made it so simple. Thanks!
The rotator cuffs are gonna be engaged whether you want it or not, because of the mechanics of the movement. So might as well focus on progressive overload, cuz that area can take a lot more than people think.
Cavaliere is known for his fear mongering, black and white approach to fitness.
the reason why athlean x promotes that way to face pull is because it works as a corrective exercise for posture which is why I do it his way. A lot of people i see at the gym have bad posture and the way i fIxed mine was doing Jeff's style of face pull at the end of my workouts using light weights and sometimes a band if i was training outdoors. Like you said it depends on your goals which is why i advocate jeffs face pull because of ITS main benefit of correcting your posture because bad posture can lead to injury in the gym as well as bad technique/performance in certain exercise.
Jeff's way of doing the facepulls is not wrong. What is wrong, however is saying any other way is wrong and WILL fuck up your shoulders for everyone. That's the main problem with Jeff. He has a very restrictive and dogmatic approach to training.
I agree with what you said about Jeff's way being better for posture. All Jeff has to do in his 'Iron Graveyard' videos is say how a particular exercise/way of exercise is bad for certain reasons/goals and advocate for ways that are better for whatever reasons. But he goes the extra mile and instills this fear among his viewers for certain ways of training ( the inflammatory titles and thumbnails contribute to this ) to the point you start thinking everything you do in the gym is killing your gains.
"fake weights"
Can't break your limiter using fake weights
Yo when is One Punch Man season 3 gonna come out?
@@thechimpmonkey7786 2025
Lol why is Zhoniin here
I do facepulls high because I do upright rows on another day but after seeing this I'm going to put the focus more on my rear delts rather than rotators. I'm just centering my training around not listening to Athlean X at this point.
I do agree Jeff tried a bit too hard to be a face pull fundamentalist. Face pull gave me some shoulder discomfort when I started lifting because I was pulling to my neck and internally rotating too much. Jeff has many videos to promote face pull, but he was kinda confusing sometimes about the 'right grip'. It seems true that beginners should pull from somewhere high, which usually does not hurt at least using whatever grip. Cable face pull is just a general upper back exercise, and a lifter can only feel and vaguely know about muscle activation that very rep. It is sad to see some people form police face pull and market one specific form to be superior or the most efficieny, when in reality most lifters will benefit from including more variations of horizontal pulling exercises.
I thought I was doing the Jeff way for therapeutic/rotator cuff reasons and then I realized my entire upper back musculature was one of my best body parts and the facepulls were the reason why. They light my shit up.
I feel like Jeff's point of not doing it any other way is that yes, other people might be trying to target other things, but if you are trying to target other things, then you should probably be doing a different exercise because there are probably better ones for those different purposes.
Great video Geoff! What about a video on fat distribution ? For example I noticed that even if I'm 73 kg for 180 cm i have good definition in legs , shoulders and chest but can't still see my abs and have lot of back fat . Appreciate your work since Quora man 👌
Fat distribution is basically pure genetics. Not anything you can really do except build a good overall physique to minimize the effect stubborn fat has. Good news is that shredded/diced lean bodies are more aesthetic/attractive online than IRL.
Never really considered the band face pulls lack of tension. Good shit, brother
the correct way to do it: both ways! External rotation focused for prehab on any day, in a high row fashion for pull/back day.
@@stompinstu9265 "to prevent shoulder impingement" source?
"well he watched a few YT videos" I'd trust someone who stays more up-to-date with the current state of the evidence for pain/injury science, rather than a quack who does the exact opposite
@@stompinstu9265 Credentials don't mean much when you spread misinformation, right?
@@stompinstu9265 you do realise shoulder impingement isn't a diagnosis used in evidence based practice. You could do surgery to shave off the acromial process to create space and still has no significant effect on "impingement". He's heavily outdated on his pt knowledge
@@stompinstu9265 stop appealing to his education. Papers mean nothing he's a clear example. Poor s&c coach and outdated and nocebic pt
@@stompinstu9265 Regardless of what Geoffrey's credentials are... there is no objective reason to ban a certain movement or idealize another. That's why he rightfully argued for both or rather multiple versions of face pulls to be applied.
The bigger the beard, the bigger the beard pull. Geoff’s is over 9,000 for sure.
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Just came home from gym, doing face pulls and asking myself: „What would Geoffrey think of my face pulls?“ - thanks a lot, nice timing haha!
Really, thats what you were thinking...?
@@scottf3456 No joke. There‘s no mirror at the cable rack and I started doing face pulls just recently so I‘m not quite sure if I‘m doing them the right way.
I like setting it at slightly higher than the hips. Pulling rather high and externally rotated... Hits rotators, lower traps, rear delts and serratus, so all the perhab goals, but feels nicer and can be loaded heavier than the super high setpoint
For some reason I always thought you were v shred on quora because of your profile pic... thank god i actually looked into your profile
praying daddy israetel is right
I saw a guy at my gym do face pulls with the rope but laying on the bench staring up at it..never thought about doing it that way, im gonna try it next time
My money is on athlean-x.One thing I completely trust Jeff on is face pulls.
jeff's and mike's movement are different, there are different types of facepulls. what jeff nippard doing one is a high- row type facepull. So there is basically 3 types of facepull, Rear delt and Scapular muscles(infraspinatus, subscapularis, rotator cuff etc.) dominant , Side Delt, rear delt and upper back dominant(kinda of an upright row, safer) and a midback and rdelt dominant row type facepull. No one is wrong, jeff cavalier's facepull is excellent for shoulder health and posture, Davis diley also suggest a facepull ike that. I also preffer facepulling while targeting to externally rotate my arm because i already get enough stimulation of midback, upper trap and side delt from rows, ohp , shrug and lateral raises. I just want to work my rear delt and scapular muscles. But the other variation of facepulls are also excellent choice because it can save a lot of time of someone .
I'll listen to Mike. Jeff starts off one of his face pull videos ranting on some user comment that they are not lengthened partial friendly. I don't care if you are on the lengthened partial train or not, face pull can be done as a lengthened partial and starting your video off quoting some dweeb who says they are not is just dumb.
There are many ways to perform an exercise and it will be unique to you and your goals plus your characteristics. Do both for maximal results!
It depends where you pull the rope! I get more out of Jeff because I focus on my rear dents & shoulders
Guys guys, grab a cable and pull it towards your face (hence "face pull" hehe...) and don't search for something that's not there.
It's not a rocket science..
Stopped doing face pulls a long time ago and upright rows.face pulls suck for progressive overload and destroy your wrists for weeks after
Haven't seen the video yet, but I'd say do it like Sean Nalewanyj. He has a really good video explaining the form
Exactly, I was doing face pulls like everybody else until I watched Jeff's version & started imitating him ever since. When ATHLEAN-X says he's right which is all of the time, but I don't follow every method of his because I just don't feel anything & I believe it's for beginners doing them for the first time.
If you had watched Dr.Mike's video about face pulls you would know that he recommended doing face pulls from different heights to emphasize different muscles. If you analyze someone's recommendation you should watch their video first.
I always wanted to do these but I never could know what the right form was this is the video that I needed
Lmao what the Hell was that Piccolo clip. Man oh man
I do it Jeff's way. Only difference is my weights aren't fake.
So you do it exactly like Jeff does. He only uses fake weights on video. It would be highly impractical to use fake weight while actually training.
Also AthleanX talks about how he is a physical therapist and had a lot of patients with injuries from doing related. Yes you can do based of feeling but some still get hurt, his way eliminates most injury possibilities unless your straight stupid. Doing it Mikes way hurts my shoulder and doing it Jeff way feels a lot better.
I appreciate the DBZ clips 😂😂
Great channel here 👍 especially with the DBZ 😅 lol content.
I like using Jeff's form more because it feels better on my shoulder joints. Having torn my labrum before, the upright form feels awkward on the side that got a tear
Yea I'd stick with Cavaliere's way, for sure.
killed it with that ROM BOYS joke!!
6:59 Round the upper back & internally rotated.
Crazy to think this would’ve gotten you slaughtered in the RUclips fitness community 2 years ago.
Still does by people that have no idea about science
As long the rear delts get built we good
The question is, do you want to do facepulls, or upright rows and fuck up your shoulders.
Both are fine but I think Powell raises and seated db external rotations or a similar version with cables are better as a combo
Don't sleep on ring facepulls. I like to grab the strap and use the rings the same way you'd use the balls of the rope.
Disclaimer, slacking off on form can hurt you, if you allow your shoulder blades to protract too early on the eccentric. But done correctly, it lights up the entire upper back, even the neck
I can't set up a facepull that I can overload in a home gym so I do dumbell face pulls lol
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We need a Zercher squat review video.
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Geof is turning unkockoutable with that beard and the helmet he is growing.
Not sure I want to test that!
The Dr Mike version feels best for me. Jeff Cavaliers version is a W-Fly
3:49 that was legit clever
I saw a different video with Jeff nippard suggesting staying in the 10-15 rep range and a slightly different set up. I was so overwhelmed my the variety of form. I ended up listening to Jeff nippard. It's my favorite warm up on exercise. I focus on rear Delts.
Doing facepull like Mike trains me to fight off facehuggers
Cause, yo, yo, we wanna know how many people in the flow
Would like to just let yourselves go
And do what you like
Yeah, well tonight's your night
Just eat food, try not to be crude or rude
Kill the attitude, chill the serious mood
And do what you like
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Jeff is correct and has the best approach because a face pull is literally designed for the rotator cuff involvement. Dr. Mike is just doing a row.
Would you recommend the Goku "face" pull? And what does it primarily target?
As much as I generally don’t like Athlean-Xs stuff, I have to give him the win here. I agree with other comments that they do it as a rehab thing more than a strength builder
I watched Jeff's video three years ago when I first started lifting. Even as a n00b I was put off by how categorical and narrow he was in his view. Watching the same exercise performed many different ways by others over the years has shown me how effective and varied it is. Since then I've always trained face pulls and I now have overdeveloped rear delts as a result. It's awesome. It's the only body part of mine that I look at in this early stage of my lifting career and go 'dayum, that's pretty decent'. I owe it to face pulls. I've used all variations and found them all to be awesome.
Gotta love to see demon back from Baki
Very interesting video, love this exercise