Spotting the Dark Triad Traits in Faces | Psychopathy, Narcissism, & Machiavellianism
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2019
- This video answers the question: Can the dark triad traits be detected in someone's face?
The dark triad comprises three traits that can appear together and they're usually subclinical, meaning they don't have anything to do with mental health treatment or psychopathology. the three traits are psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism. With all three of these traits we see manipulation of different types and then specifically with psychopathy, we see traits like being callous/unemotional, pathological lying, and having a lack of empathy, remorse, or guilt. Narcissism has arrogance, a sense of entitlement, being envious, having fantasies of success and power, feeling special or unique, and it also has a lack of empathy component. With Machiavellianism, we see someone who's ruthless, has a cynical view, and disregards conventional morality. There's quite a bit of overlap between these dark triad traits.
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Most narcissist I know never pay attention during a conversation. They usually just seem to be waiting until it's their turn to talk about themselves again.
And always change the subject
And use what they have now learned against you later.
@@1111Annie They say "Not to change the subject, but..." blah blah blah.
My mother always interrupts me, when I am, for once, talking about something out of my life. She doesn't even realize how rude that is. She is "the mother", I am the son (mind you, I'm 40 years old) and her matters are much more important than mine.
sorry, what was that?
:)
I manage a lower-end hotel. I regularly meet everyone from the most upstanding citizen to the most manipulative. I can say the "trust you gut" method holds true, mostly. "Good" people will make you feel at ease. "Not Good" people will give you the creeps. But *really* manipulative people will also make you feel at ease - it is their skill - and right there is the danger zone.
My mum had a "test" in the hallway of her bizz in the 1980s. In a window ahelf above her desk she had a rainbow row of beautiful different colored glass items. She had good instincts about human character already but she said that if the person's eyes didn't flicker to the glass once, she knew something was off.
"They make me feel at ease" is how I recently started describing the narcissists I get conned by, so thank you for posting that. Of course I'm not falling for their tactics anymore. The last guy I was with gave me a full education. I love just being an observer now when these jerks -- who are single for a reason -- start trying to use the same BS that previous guys did (just reminded myself of Olivia de Havilland in The Heiress when I wrote that 😁).
Some of my favorite ways of knowing a guy isn't worth investing in can happen very early-on: 1) If there is something that's undeniably off-putting about a guy even though I'm not trying to find anything wrong with him, there's probably a damn good reason for it ("trust your gut" as people say). 2) He avoids talking about anything truly compelling/interesting to hide who he is for as long as he can. If we're in a group setting and there's a compelling conversation taking place, he either won't join in or he'll do something erratic to distract people, effectively ending the conversation. He'll essentially speak "gibberish" and/or will ramble on about odd personal philosophies when he's alone with me for the same reason, which is to keep me from finding out real things about him. The way people communicate from the start can say so much about them. 3) He will dangle anything in front of me that he thinks I need and definitely expects something of me in return right away. #2 & #3 are manipulation tactics so... 4) Manipulation is deceitful/devious no matter how harmless it may seem initially. It's a preview of more harmful, toxic forms of manipulation that will be used in the future, so any sign of it is dangerous. Of course all of these things may apply to toxic, manipulative females, as well.
Edited to add: 5) They do or say things to get the point across that they're "superior" to others. 6) They use passive-aggressive comments or behaviors that can seem subtle. They may do that out of insecurity and/or to test you to see how much crap you'll put up with.
As previously stated good people will make you feel at ease and as long as they don't use manipulation tactics, they're genuinely caring, respectful and reliable for more than a few months, then they're probably good people to be around long-term.
@Saphyr S. Good call. I should add that one to my list. It definitely rings a bell!
I used to be a hotel manager, like you, and had to deal with creepy people regularly too. You get to see all kinds, in the raw because you might see them any time of day or night once they check in ... and all the people they bring with them into the room and environs. Who can sometimes be way creepier than THEY are! In fact some creeps find their most presentable person to rent a room or an apartment, and then here comes the garbage and menacing people. You never see the "nice girl" again.
As to the *really* manipulative people, their smoothness can be almost a give-away, I find. Most people, for instance, feel no need to walk around holding a bible to their chest. Most ordinary people will never ask you to trust them, especially when it's out of context to any situation at hand. Most people don't need to lay out a "smooth vibe" and charm you. A lot of sleazeballs think they're smarter than everyone else in the room, when it's so very often not the case. And of course it's not usually the case that someone should assume they're smarter than everyone they meet; geniuses aside, that's dumb, not smart. But lots of people seem to want to be "slick." And they wear their inside corruption on the outside, in plain sight for everyone to see.
@Saphyr S. I think that's true. As if to whisper in your ear, "Confidentially ...." and then you're hooked. Anyone who tries to get unearned trust very early in a relationship is angling in one way or another. Maybe not even for now, but to set you up for a future attack.
Everyone saying if a person has a “dead look” in their eyes is evil but have no idea if that person has gone through trauma and pain to shape them into that emotional, lifeless state.
Yea they can be depressed
How do you think serial killers got that way? Happy, carefree childhoods?
While what you say is certainly true, and compassionate, there are traumatized people that subject everyone they meet to their trauma. That is EVIL. It is not others' responsibilities to be another's punching bag or other type of receptacle for pain. It is the individual's responsibility to accept what occurred, change what they can, and attempt to live an authentic life. It is exactly that empathy that you possess that can make you a victim of the schemes of that evil individual, who has identified themselves as such by their BEHAVIOR. One becomes what they do over time. I am not saying that you need to be unempathetic. I am just saying that you need to be discerning and set boundaries. Whether the issue is abject evil or not.
@@MARLA116 Well said, I agree. There are times where I become aware of such schemes in my own mind and I have to change my mindset for a positive outlook on life or else it's just chaos.
@Spencer C
Very true. This self-awareness is the beginning of wisdom. This self-awareness is called conscience. This leads to self-control. Anything less leads to entitlement, resentment, irresponsibility, envy, and anti-social tendencies. We have a responsibility to God, ourselves, and one another to come from an attitude of love and authenticity.
I've always found the old classic of see how they treat the waiter/waitress, teller at the bank, the postman or any other everyday, working person when they are spending money or receiving a person is a good indicator of the type of egocentricity you're getting with that person.
The one I was involved with tipped 50% and often bragged about it.
@@Mili-bedili exactly.. that old troupe regarding public displays of rudeness to “ underlings “ seems equally obvious and of even deeper significance to people who are reliant on others approval and admiration , or desirous of manipulating others for personal gain
Most people only judge others by the way they treats them, that can be a fatal mistake, if they treat others badly it's only a matter of time before they come for you.
I'm 55yrs young, I know of what I speak, I've got the scars to prove it, the best thing to do is get away from them asap.
True. I took a friend to breakfast years ago at diner. Cheap but good. Waitress had obviously been doing that 40 years. Iconic. Paid and asked friend to leave tip. He left a nickel saying she was no good. We walked outside.
I thought wtf did he just do. I walked back in, put 1.50 on tablr and walked out. I was boiling on the inside but held it in. Later, i EXPLODED at him.
I hated him for years. Eventually we spoke again years later but just in passing.
Later I realized he was just a user. Havent seen him in years now and he's probably passed.
This is a good indicator and information but just remember the triad traits can come off as charming! Experienced it with ex narcissist.
When I first meet someone I make it a habit of letting them talk a lot because depending on what they say and how they said it that tells a lot about them. Let people talk they will show and tell you who they are. It has been very helpful for me.
Right. When people show you who they are.. believe them.
Right on Ms. Maddie I do that too and have never found it fail me. Wise you are x
As a Gemini that’s hard for me! But I also love to ask questions rather talk about myself. Love information!
A good way to see how much of a liar a person is. Just let them talk, uninterrupted.
I do that too! That is very helpful indeed. But also be mindful that that doesn’t make you an observer, because I don’t think it’s always fair to study someone beforehand. It’s a calculative move and if someone did that to me it would make me feel a bit uneasy like I’m their study subject. Just be sure to engage in conversation too and give them the chance to observe you too as you observe them. But you’re right it’s a good way to see how someone is built!
You'll never truly know someone until you get in a fight with them
Which takes about three days.
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What kind of fight? I don't get it
@@JD-mz1rl they don't either
@You can't leave this empty maybe if you feel entitled to an apology, you're the one having an issue...
Since when is it ok to ask for an apology ?
Trust your gut, don’t let the mind talk you out of what you feel. Intuition never lies.
Honestly the very best way to determine who someone really is. Great advice.
It does lie sometimes due to lack of insight or poor calibration, but yeah you usually want to trust it
After being the victim of my narcissistic ex's (successful) smear campaign, I have learned to trust what people DO and NOT what they say. This goes for everyone, including family members. Narcissists are master manipulators. 'Normal' people who have not experienced the evil that narcissists are capable of do not, oftentimes, even believe what was done to me because it makes no sense to them. I understand narcissism all too well, albeit too late to avoid the permanent damage it caused my reputation and my life.
You seem very well spoken. That person's opinion no longer matters. I, too, have had to deal with a smear campaign, and some of the people who believed him said that i was the abuser and i was the chaser, etc. I would smile and he would say "wtf are you smiling at?" Or i would say "good morning" and he would ignore me. I would make a joke and he would punch me in the face...stuff like that. It took me years to get over it and i am still single lol!
I had to come to terms that it was not my fault. I had to find my spiritual center in someone who loved me no matter what-my FATHER in heaven. He alone is the reason i never gave up.
I have 2 children with this man. I have to see him occasionally and it always tears up my stomach and puts me in a very bad mood but i struggle thru.
He also left me disabled so now im on disability.
Long story short- you are not defined by what he did, or who he told what, or what he said about you. (Or her) You are only defined by FATHER. Plz let every step forward from here be a step farther away from that thing who never gave you the encouragement to shine.
You are intelligent, well-spoken, intuitive, and so much more i cant see from a yT post. Do NOT let your abuser define you anymore.
Sincerely, the abused and neglected and changed, who decided to no longer be a victim. Love you!
Stfu.
My ex blah blah....
Get therapy.
@@injesusnamewepray46 I am sorry you too had had to experience dealing with a narcissist; no one should have to go through the horrors they are capable of (happily) inflicting on others. Thank you so very much for your kind words and encouragement. I truly appreciate it. May God bless and protect you always.
are you certain we are not living parallele lives I almost want to accentuate that with "lol" but then it would be sort of dark humour...however I understand way too well what yoy mean
When I'm in front of a sociopath, narcissist, psychopath I always get a sense that they see through me, they are assessing/studying me and I feel they are 'empty' as well.
I felt I was the thing under his microscope...
I get that feeling like they are empty.
Yes an empty stare or like a animal eyeing a prey.
Empty.... that’s perfect
Narcissists are too unintelligent to see through you. No, they’re only assessing you to see if you can be a victim to feed off of and inflate their ego. They’re also sizing you up because they’re jealous creatures. My mother is a narcissist, you see.
A good test is to watch them, if you can off-guard, to how they really treat an 'under-dog'. Their zero compassion says it all.
@Johnny Santi Johnny, I don't think you understand the concept of underdog. Those illustrations are *not* underdogs.
@Johnny Santi Being a Nazi and losing a world war that *you* started is not an underdog. A person waiting to mug someone is not an underdog - they're a predator. A rapist who can't get a date is still a rapist.
An underdog is someone at a disadvantage *not of their own making.*
Faith Chi great point. My narc father is terrible to service workers & has always hired druggie Mechnics/lawnkeepers instead of reliable, safe company’s just to get his narc fix. He knew the workers needed their drugs & had low standards to how they would be treated. He would treat them like trash basically and never tell them what they would get paid until after then beyond under pay them. However If he needed to hire a legitimate company he had a completely different personality, he all of a sudden became a generous, kind, funny, ‘family man’. He would never dare raise his voice or show any negative traits. He had an entire personality to fake.
The true measure of a man is how they treat their lessers, not their equals.
Not so for some types of narcissism. I’ve dismissed my husband being a narcissist for a long time because he often steps in and helps homeless people. He seems great with people who have disabilities. After 30 years of being in a relationship I’ve learned that he’s a vulnerable/covert narcissist
I’ve learned so much since this experience. Before I met my narc, my definition of a narcissist was the
classic, stereotypical one that you think in your head you’d be able to spot a mile away. And if that’s your impression of one, you can find yourself in deep pretty easily. I always thought I listened to my gut, which I do, but when my gut was screaming at me, anxiety was throwing me for a loop, I thought it was jitters because I liked him so much and because he was such a master manipulator, I was using my head over my gut because I had fallen for the whole act, and early on, I honestly couldn’t have imagined anyone could be so deceptive so of course I was giving him the benefit of the doubt repeatedly. Messed me up for years afterward, even today I find myself ruminating over it all. At least I can see it clearly and he doesn’t t have an emotional hold over me any longer. It’s a slow process to overcome
What were some early signs looking back?
@@truthandjustice7042 lying. Lots of deception. Of course I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but inside, my gut was screaming at me something is amiss. The other was sudden outbursts, Dr Jekyl, Mr Hyde moments. I guess the slip of the mask so to speak, then he’d quickly apologize and regain composure. And lastly, the familiar love bombing.
I noticed he’d use flattery and affection to distract from confusion on my part. Like if something he said was contradicting a previous conversation etc.
Sometimes, it’s just a flash of a look in someone’s eyes, immediately upon meeting them, that warns me. I’ve learned never to ignore that. It isn’t my imagination.
Very interesting.I have learned from experience that I do not have a clue about what goes on behind other people's faces.I am constantly being astonished by the unexpected behaviour of human beings.
I did child psychology as part of my teaching degree. Humans are very predictable. They have patterns of behaviour set in childhood. (Children model & copy the behaviour they see day to day ). As a rule of thumb, once is happenstance, twice is someone's usual behaviour pattern.
@@sarahholland2600 Wish I knew this important info at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. Appreciate you sharing this knowledge.
This is why it is important to keep a open mind and be observant. People do all kinds of things to convince you of all kinds of things, many of which are explicitly harmful to you and beneficial to them. We live in a world in which hostility is not uncommon, so it is important to not be paranoid but to protect ourselves. That is, you can be an open person, but that doesn't mean you need to leave your door unlocked. (Not even the door to your soul.) In fact I've read of a rapist/serial killer or two who would just walk down apartment corridors and randomly test doors to see which one might be open. You can have friends, but that doesn't mean you should provide opportunities to walk all over you, etc.
I am the exact opposite. From early childhood I noticed very quikly if someone was fishy or dangerous person to be around. It could be because I have PTSD and I have learned to notice dangerous people more easely because of my traumatic experiences from my childhood.
Margaret, I agree. You think you know someone and then you realize they have been playing games and lying. It's sad when it happens. Just know that good people are out there. More good than bad...hugs.
They have chilling stares when they are thinking about what they are going to do to you. Also, THE SMIRK they almost all have.
I've seen that more times than I care to remember.
@@catherinebirch2399 So have I and I'm not a huge social butterfly so to speak, which is why I always question the low estimates phychologists give for the amt of true psychopaths/sociopaths/Narcs etc out in society. First of all very few end up in their office unless forced or for attention for some other reason, secondly they are experts at fooling all psychologists except the most clever and experienced in psychopathy specifically, so there is no way for anyone to guess how many have it without scanning everyones brain on earth. One more open minded psychologist who was a psychopath himself said 20% of the ppl he meets have some form of psychopathy. I think from my experience as a Nurse in a Hospital environment 25yrs he is right. "As time goes on its only a matter of time before 50% of all babies born will be psychopaths" is how he put it over 10yrs ago. Any wonder the violence these days in our streets by youth led by psychopaths? You are witnessing psychopathy in control of goverments. Scary huh? They breed :o !
Yes it's that dead eye look like a shark, dark and empty like their black hearts 🖤
@@lizquinn3568 Exactly because they are predators.
The smirk
I’ve found one can see malevolence in the eyes once an evil person decides to drop their mask. It becomes painful to look at their face.
If you observe them very carefully, psychopaths rarely look truly joyful or happy, because these are emotions they can't experience. Instead, their smiles just look smug. Many people think that they smirk rather than smile.
Yes!!
Yes they smirk , my ex-husband had a smirk that I hated !~
Psychopaths don't look like an evil person, they look like a normal person. They know how to act.
The first thing I noticed about my ex-husband was his eyes. He could just sit there and stare at you without any expression on his face. It made me feel uncomfortable, but I wasn't sure why. When the judge ordered psych evals and we did MMPI'S, he was diagnosed with Vindictive narcissism and antisocial personality disorder.
Quiet and shy people, and people from abusive backgrounds (often the same thing) can do that too. Society also has an unbalanced embrace and celebration of extroverts and severe condemnation of introverts. I hope people in general don't create a further form of accepted abuse in our society by marginalizing and ostracizing the quiet, the shy, and abuse sufferers even more than they already do.
I believe my ex wife was a vindictive narcissist ... having known other types, unfortunately, such as covert malignant that were ‘brilliant’ academically and were so much worse than my ex .. among others of varying NPD characteristics .. it is difficult to describe the levels differences .. but one common thing I have noticed is how animals respond to them ... I ALL cases I have known, though I am no expert except thru personal experiences, the pets do not demonstrate a lot of joy with them .. whereas when the pets get to know someone who isn’t disordered they show joy and tail wagging or desire to be with or around me .. I have struggled with the thought that being around a narcissist for 24 years I was one but the behavior of animals around me .. they tend to confirm I am not one and they’re behavior around the disordered ones is remarkably different and much more subdued in simple joy
So I mean he must have done some stuff...?
Cynthia Guarino:
I would really like to talk to you and ask a few questions from this comment section
if you don't mind:
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560
As I understand your compassion not to bully the shy, quiet, introvert types and then met your spouse which turns out to a Covert Narcissist, I would guess after you've spent enough time behind closed doors with this type you cannot help but notice this Covert is empty of empathy and as this Covert partner of yours continues his or her evil and demeaning abuse, mental games of torture pathological lies on a daily basis for years that may force you to lose total respect for them as well as the emotional and mental abuse they inflict on you whenever they see fit and the day when you finally realize that your feelings and concerns mean nothing to them, I bet you would remove them from your list or not put them on in the first place.
When you around such a person, your insides are unsettled. Makes you feel unsure about whats next. Dont ignore that you cant calm down your “guts”. It’s a signal for the next move. That is, Move away from this type of feeling by avoiding the person, in general. These people can invade your space (and you FEEL it) without them even getting closer to you.
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This is all bs of course
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 well, we know which kind you are then dont we!
No, he’s got a point. You really can feel the tension when they walk into a room.
This is only true of empaths. Others don't have that 6th sence.
The problem is most of them don't show their ugly traits until you're already sucked in.
I find a better way to tell is how they get on with others. If they are always having trouble with someone at work, members of their family, neighbors, etc. seems to be a pretty reliable gauge. ✌️😉
I knew a woman who often had a look of amusement on her face whilst things weren't going well. I thought perhaps she was amused at me. Then I discovered she'd suffered trauma. I'm suffering trauma now and I've caught that same look on my own face on the reflection of office door windows even though I'm feeling as if I am close to dying. People aren't taking me seriously, and that is causing more suffering. I wonder if it is a genetic survival trait to appear as if we are doing ok even though inside our heads are throbbing and if anything were to go further wrong we'd step in front of a train.
Not by looks but by actions do narcissists reveal themselves.
garagedancer yes!
one of the few rational comments on this video
Nah, because if I believe that, I'm letting my guard down, I'm keeping my guard up, before they commit to any actions, fuck letting their actions off first before we determine who they are, why would we let anyone get a head start ?
@@blizzard5287 Narcissists aren't killers, keep your guard down a bit and stop judging people for their facial appearance.
@@blizzard5287 narcissists aren’t murderers. Most narcissists aren’t even bad people. Malignant narcissism is the stereotypical “evil person narcissist”. Most narcissists do care about others, they just care more about themselves. They don’t go out of their way to hurt people, they just focus on themselves and their own success rather than friendships or love
“Haha yeah sorry if I come off like a bitch, I have RDTF” (Resting Dark Triad Face)
Underrated comment 😂
Lol!!! Try to hug them. You get no feeling of empathy.
And when I laugh I have LDTF (Laughing Dark Triad Face)
🤣 love it
Right 😄
So, I have observed numerous times the lack of movement in the eyes, forehead and between the eyes when studying people who have committed murder. I have forwarded my thought on this to several people, so hopefully there will be more study. When people speak they naturally move all different parts of the face, when someone is being deceptive they have to force their face to move to fake the emotions...when someone has psychopathy there is no movement in the eyes forehead area. Pay attention to this when you observe someone speaking
Careful though. Aspies have this trait noticeably.
Is that why these antisocial people dont have forehead wrinkles, because they dont have emotions. i am a introvert and i dont interact with many people thats why i dont have lines in my forehead due to facial expressions when meeting people.
I feel this is an unreliable trait because many people get Botox in those areas.
I was frequently called a sociopath by my mother. This was based on my facial appearance. After a court case involving my mother and the school optometrist, I was pronounced legally blind. My mother was not convinced. I was in college when someone noted I had a "flat affect." I looked into this and practiced facial expressions. I am now in my 70s and by avoiding living with humans I have been successful. I can keep up the expressions of the sighted but when alone I drop back to the expressions of my youth.
There are plenty of narcs who look plain, frumpy, granola etc. They take great pride in not looking materialistic but are just as self absorbed and vain. It’s more important to discern the why and heart/head motivation of actions and appearances.
That is very true! Unique observation.
it take no pride to be materialistic, ops :D easy one
This. When I lived in a very conservative city, all the narcs I came across were extremely bland looking. I think the reason why is obvious, but I think regardless of location, most narcs and psychopaths just want to blend in and look inconspicuous.
user89076 yeah I first noticed this with a couple Church ppl and missionaries.Their nose in the air because they dressed frumpy and didn’t wear makeup or jewelry. But they were full of pride. Where other fashionable ppl were more humble and accepting of others. It’s all about the heart/mind motivation rather than the outside appearance.
Yes .. true .. knew one just like .. never would have thought it .. master of manipulation and triangulation she was
Narcissists will look right into your eyes as they swear that they're telling the truth and then lie to you. 😫
100 percent!
That's me and I have perfect dark eyebrows I'm 24 male haha
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Uh no that's just a good liar. My 6 year old niece can do that so I guess she's a narc
@@BigA678 narcs got to start somewhere
The comments highly suggest what the studies say: You can’t spot the dark triad reliably through physical appearance or mannerism. They is a lot of confirmation bias and mutually contradictory descriptions in the aggregate. It’s all emotional. That said, you have no choice but to trust your gut, but as you said, behaviour is the best predictor. I’m not sure what the tells are, but I know a sketch person right away, but this is a different type of sketchy. I don’t trust people that are grandiose in their compliments or behaviour instinctively. That doesn’t mean they are pathological narcissists. It takes a bit of conflict to figure that out.
People of the comments section. A lot of the creepy facial expressions you're describing are also shared by autistics and schizophrenics.
Unless you are neurologists, please judge people on their actions, not their appearances. Because you don't know as much about this as you think you do and autistic and schizophrenic people have enough to deal with already.
So so true..
YES, videos on this page about narcissists and psychopaths often make me sad because they never take the time to explain that there are also other disorders where the people are harmless but have outwardly similar traits. I think a lot of autistic people lose friends and get bullied because other people see them as a threat even when they're not
Amen
Said the narc🤣 I'm totally kidding, I'm sorry. It's true, you can't judge a book by it's cover. We've all had so many different experiences in life. One who has experienced trauma may look like that. I personally have rbf but a past full of trauma dealing with a narc sociopath for nine years, my ex. For all I know, I may have became one myself or adapted some of his traits
I had issues making friends as a kid. We moved a lot, I was out sick a lot, and at 30 I was diagnosed with OCD. Judging by the fact I’m a computer geek, and some other issues I had, I’m probably slightly on the autism spectrum. So, lack of socialization, and not neurotypical, lol.
So, as I didn’t have a lot of friends consistently, I would go hide in my head, and think or daydream.
One time on the school bus, 6th grade, I’m daydreaming away, not watching what I was looking at. Suddenly reality pulls me out of my mind to see a girl staring back giving me stink eye for “staring” at her, and then sticking her tongue out at me. Oops. I sighed and turned towards the window. I didn’t even know where to begin in explaining to her that I didn’t mean to stare at her. I was so freaking awkward, lol.
I’m female, btw, so my stare was probably not misconstrued as something sexual or predatory. Not that lesbians and bisexuals didn’t exist back then (very early 80’s), but it was just not something commonly thought about in 6th grade back then, lol.
These types are getting more and more common. Once you have been a victim and figure out what you are dealing with, it’s much easier to spot. Not in looks though. Words and behaviour give it away once you are aware.
Saying you're a victim is narcissistic
Chris Crook hmmm...video touch a nerve?
@@lady1668
Narcissists like to claim other people narcissists... Like u
One thing they do is lie A LOT! And make outrageous claims about themselves. They’re better and cooler than everyone and they truly fucking SUCK!!! Lol
@michelle turner: I subscribe!
Gloating and euphoria from someone's pain.
Those are called schadenfreude narcs... the scariest of the bunch. They get out of the way to make your life harder than it is already. May Santa Muerte give such horrid people a slow, painful death. 😡
Yes, other's pain or failures are a cause for absolute glee. Those who think the old slapstick "comedy" is funny are very narcissistic, I think.
@@ausept45 whoops
@@LadyCoyKoi the irony here is that you sound just like schadenfreude narc...
@@ausept45 You're right. I used to see some of that old comedy on afternoon tv when I was a kid, I never thought it was funny at all. I also thought I was probably the only one who didn't think it was funny! Example:. Three Stooges. Not funny.
Don't get too close to anyone too quickly. When someone, especially someone you barely know, starts with the questions, it's time to enforce strong boundaries. Don't answer questions, just give said person this stock reply, "I don't really know, but what about you?" Something to that degree. Turn it around on said person and ask the same question without giving a definitive answer. Use your body language and tone of voice to let said person know you don't vibe. Never get personal with dark triads. Be "flat affect" and casual with dark triads. Don't feed the beast!
Outstanding channel, you are possibly the most objective evaluator of things that I have seen in a long time. Keep up the good work.
A narcissist will pretend to listen when you talk with a bored look or with clenched jaw smile and a ‘can’t wait till you stop talking so I can talk about myself’ impatience. Never noticed the eye brow thing.
@Hash Kushum
Interesting of you to treat an innocent, clearly pained stranger like this in a video speaking about people being hardened, lacking feelings. 🧐
@Hash Kushum 99% ppl here are so boring and stupid that nobody cares about them and they think they have diagnosed a number of personality disorders around them lol
@@michaelhighlights1614 well I now know you're a Narc. Borderline Troll. 😎👍🏴
@@phoenixrising5088 a narc wouldnt watch this video
@@65tallmax why not?
This is why you cannot dwell on identifying a narcissist. Strong boundaries will drive them away.
Nailed it
100%💕
Good point.
I really appreciate how he clearly defined the difference between size effect and statistical significance. Dr grande really manages to explain a lot of somewhat difficult psychological concepts in a clear and easily understood manner. Somehow he does this while still keeping things interesting. In the wrong hands this type of thing can seem tedious or boring.
I am quite sure that one sibling was a narcissist. Even at an early age, adults were constantly praing her for being "so poised" in stressful situations. She didn't show emotions because she did not have any emotions about others opinions.
All the toxic people I've met in my life have one thing in common: they don't know how to laugh, it's always a fake laugh and it's so exagerated that it just looks like an evil grin. The zone between the eyebrows that in normal people moves upwards when they laugh, stays down in narcs even when they act like they're dying of laughter. So they may even be smiling with their eyes but their brows stay in the "serious" position.
My friend says my smirk Is evil and that I would be more attractive if I didn’t do it but I wouldn’t say I’m a bad person i do have a lot of inscruities and I rarely interact with people but I’d say my intentions are good maybe I come of as fake I’m not sure
@@Angel-gc1gn lot of people not understanding the introvert personality in these comments man you arent a freak villain. Just know the majority of people expect you to behave a certain way so you may be uncomfortable in society even when things are going good
I think you are exactly right!
Yes! This is mother! I never really thought about it like that. Thanks
Jeff Bezos.
It's kinda gnarly when I see these qualities in the "spiritual " community.
TheArcIntheAngle. Narcissism especially.
Oh yes...cult leaders!
Why my partner and I left our faith community
I find more narcissists in a church than i do in a whore house
The new age movement and so called "lightworkers" are all a fake and front for true hard spiritualism, created by the parasites to confuse, disgust and turn off spirituality for people who are not naturally very spiritual, but could've embarked on a spiritual path.
Thanks for giving the statistical aspect of this phenomena. (I notice that dark triad criminals tend to hang around each other-it took a long time to realize that. A certain rapist who was drunken could not handle, “No, you will not touch her,” and used the creepy eyes to signal that he was going cause a huge hullabaloo due to my stopping that sick psychopath from potentially destroying a young woman at a so-called religious retreat. The dark triad leaders punished the one who stopped the psychopath).
Eyes do speak volumes, I agree, Dr.
I really can't stand people who try to evaluate my brain when I meet them. It's always creepy to me! It is perceivable every time. I don't think that I'm phsyco, or narsisstic, but when I can tell that someone is trying to evaluate me, it makes me think that they are the ones trying to find my weakness, so they can manipulate me in some way. Does that make me paranoid? I don't know, I would much rather be around people who are open and honest!
I dated someone who I think might be narcissistic. I don't know that of course, but idealisatiin, devaluation, lying,lovebombing, ghosting ect was all there. I try to read people to keep myself safe 🤔 Because I'm scared to gothrough this again, because it hurt a lot.
I met a narc & machiavellianistic person and after only meeting him briefly, I left thinking how nice and charming he was. I later saw a picture of him smiling and looking straight in the camera. I literally could not look him in the eyes in that photo, whenever I did, I would get this horrible sinking feeling in my stomach forcing me to look away. I have never experienced something like that in my life. I learned the hard way. Please don't ignore your instincts.
I don't judge people by the way they look. I let people's actions speak for themselves.
What?
So you "learned the hard way" by getting creeped out at a photo of him, and that's all the evidence you need to tell you he's a Machiavellian narcissist?
This sounds like far fetched judgment and paranoia to me
Yep this is relatable I was close friends to one a narc and he has a profile picture of him on social media that looks so scary his eyes just look evil it’s unsettling
I grew up with a psycho dad I can often feel it as soon as I meet someone with narc/psycho traits.
Yes growing up with a nut will teach u a lot!! U have to stay on ur toes
Interestingly enough, believing you can immediately spot malintent is a dark triad trait he mentions in another video.
@@wolfman6489 i can't always but i grew up around my dad and his brothers and read a lot of books about codependency and also know first hand that people like that are almost always charming obviously theirs people that are charming that arent but if i want to give some 20 million chances for me thats a red flag
Same here !! Unfortunately I attract all the nutsos 😢
Same
One thing I have noticed as myself, and others around me, all get older....
You start reading the lines in people's faces and over time folks who are angry or oppositional have age lines/wrinkles that shows the expressions of a lifetime of conflict and despair. Others, you take one look and the lines etched are rooted in joy and kindness. Every one gets a fair shake and a benefit of the doubt. My social radar is a little higher around those indicators all the same. It's a crude analog way of observing, I suppose, and barely parallel to the topic Dr. Grande is discussing....but it brought the idea to the front of my mind.
Love the channel.
Thanks for your time.
Here are the signs of a complete narcissist and potential psychopath:
1) Dead look in his/her eyes
2) Neurosis, meaning he/she has a pretty tough time staying relaxed while socializing with other people
3) Being manipulative of your emotional state, for instance, raising his/her tone of voice so as to get you to believe something he/she is otherwise trying to explain to you in a rather self-defensive and quite impateint manner
4) Being way too defensive of his/her worldviews, and being way too defensive of his/her own self, meaning a relevantly high ego
5) A poor listener, meaning he/she is frequently ignorant of what you have to say to him/her in a conversation
6) Having a sudden need to make fun of you, meaning being tendentious toward striking you with some random joke, with an excuse that the joke is supposedly not meant to be a personal thing to you, in other words, being unnecessarily rude
Rude equals untrustworthy.
I think you are mixing different concepts here, narcissism and psychopathy are not the same and in another video Dr. Grande says that psychopaths actually have low neuroticism.
By your definition, anyone who's not giggly and laughing and smiling is a full-blown antisocial person? That seems far-fetched to me.
I worked in a federal penitentiary. Worked with some of the most notorious criminals in the country. And also, with inmates who had committed terrible crimes, but were not psychopaths. Some looked like what they were. But many did not. They were often quite pleasant and helpful and you wondered how they came to be there. That's how they do what they do.
yes thank you this is exactly what I have been saying here also, people like to think they will feek it or so on but i fear most of the time evil is not dirty obvious loud but charming friendly and unfortunately timings where you need someone they will sweep you of and destroy you or kill you or use you and you will not have seen it coming. can be your most trustworthy neighbour.
How many of them were sexually abused as children?
@@billofrightsamend4 💀💀💀 if I had to guess all of the sexual crimes n then physical/emotional abuse for the other crimes
@@billofrightsamend4 As someone who was sexually abused as a child it is a myth that abused ones become abusers. Most people who sexually abuse are prople with ASPD/sociopathy/psychopathy who like to have control over others and see others as objects plus lack of or have no emotional empathy.
Abused children often become shy, feel worthless, dirty, ashamed and are very! careful with sex. Because they are afraid to make the other person feel how they felt. Others who f.e. were groomed or abused by a "parent" have sex and love interwined ( english isn't my first language, sorry if this sounds weird. I don't know a better word right now ) This means they want love, but go look for sex. Because that is what they know. And they are at a high risk to be abused again.
These are actually the most likely outcomes of child abuse.
The man I’ve loved for 10 years just got out of prison 3 months ago. He seemed like a changed man when i spoke to him every night from prison. He seemed like a changed man for the first month he was out. Now for the last two months he has made my life a living hell once again! Time to be done with this shit!
I haven't seen the video but I will say YES. I can see the emptiness in the eyes, the smirk, the extra selfsteem... If someone makes you feel chills... IT'S TRUE, it's not you. Those are your internal alarms. Listen to them.
The smirk is a vommon factor.
Alright, so I have to ask. "Believing that you are unique" is a trait of psychopathy and narcissism. It begs the question, does clinical psychology operate on the assumption that everyone is identical and that there are no unique people?
It's more like "believing you're exceptional, above everyone else, just because of existing".
Yes. Believing you’re “special”
You are more controlled by your biology than you realize. Example, the sweaty tshirt study. People are attracted to people who have difference mhc genes (detectable via pheromones secreted in sweat) to confer a selective advantage to future progeny (more robust, diverse immune system receptors). Does the guy smell good & make you laugh..or does he have good genes? Does biology dictate who you might become? Perhaps. What about twin studies in genetics, how is it that twins separated at birth sometimes discover that they have the same careers, hobbies or even similar grooming habits? A coincidence perhaps..
“Thick eyebrows are an indicator of psychopathy.”
I’m a layman and even I knew immediately such a conclusion is ridiculous as well as worse than false.
As Dr. Grande points out, behavior is a far better indicator of psychopathy than appearance.
And mental health professionals wonder why the general public has a lack of trust in them.
Why worse than false? Because the main emphasis in the field today seems to be this obsessive drive to research “how to spot a _____” (fill in the blank: psychopath, narcissist, borderline, etc). Further compounding the dilemma is the obvious fact that much of the research seems to be driven by demands of the general public, rather than by academia or the medical profession.
I’d like to see more research into the causes and etiology of these disorders, rather than spurious and suspect research that is more for entertainment than serious consideration.
Mask drop
i find that narcs have dead , sad, empty-looking eyes and the smile doesnt go up to their eyes ever. no joy. some dont even know how to laugh properly, my narc mom laughs like an evil villain and she doesnt realize it.
EDIT: i understand that its not a narcissitic trait to have sad eyes at all, depressed people for example, can also look like that and they are not narcissitic at all. i also think their eyes look somewhat sad and kind of evil as well, which depressed people dont have.
i think what i meant to say is that if you have a person who already exhibits narc traits, u can also notice their dead eyes and weird laugh; i think it often goes together. does that mean they are depressed inside? maybe
My female narc has a raucus laughter that is so loud it can even hurt one's ears. It's unnatural and overbearing...as if they don't know what's normal.
not all narcs are emotionally dead. There are gaslighters in my family who can tear up watching a documentary on sad human conditions. They do not even know what they are. They believe in all of their own lies, and most of all, compartmentalize to obfuscate their self-bias and then rationalize it. That is why people fall for it until they see a most telling sign. (Some miss those signs for other reasons)
It is so amazing I find it necessary to keep tabs on my very self to see if I've been doing that too.
So you bury the reality under an endless stack of interwoven lies so deep, you cannot remember it yourself, reconstructing your memory.
Can't laugh at themselves
So true. My ex narc friend looks like she is straight possessed when she smiles. Her eyes look as if she's about to stab someone. It's evil and it creeps me out. I refuse to talk to her anymore.
There are other reasons for having sad or empty looking eyes besides narcissism. Anybody who believes that everybody with empty or sad looking eyes is a narcissist is a very ignorant person.
This is true, if you feel bad about someone in your core just by looking at them that means that you should probably just trust your gut instinct and save yourself time wasted
Sammy Stone Unless you are a employer then you have to hire them for diversity.
@@UnityFromDiversity True lol
@@UnityFromDiversity how sad that is
The heart knows before the mind figures out why.
@@UnityFromDiversity at the peril of the team.
The death stares are extremely unsettling, yet many people seem to view that as harmless and even funny nowadays. It causes anxiety for me though and find that I don't want to be around the person anymore. 🤨
Love your channel. Thank you for your work, Dr. Grande!
I've learned over a lifetime to compare a person's behaviour to what they say. If there's a conflict between the two, I trust what they do, not what they claim their values to be. The same is true of appearance: trust the behaviour, not the looks or the clothes. As Shakespeare has Duncan say in 'Macbeth', "There’s no art / To find the mind’s construction in the face."
When reading an article about a crime of which someone has been found guilty, I often find halfway through that I've assumed that the photo at the head the article is of the criminal. Quite often, it turns out to be the victim. When I know that, the 'cruel', 'untrustworthy', or 'thuggish' facial features disappear as I reinterpret the face. What you expect conditions what you see.
yes so true!!
Clothes are also a choice. As you choose what you wear, an insight can be made comparing how a person is to the choice of clothing.
I agree with you but also believe that the eyes tell more than the face when the narc isn't pretending. You have to catch them in that mode where they are being the narc and not the representative. When so there is this very dead state and sometimes smirk in their eyes.
Great comment.
When reading an article of someone murdered the face (mug shot) shown is usually of the "alleged murderer", not the victim. Never assume anything.
This reminds me of the old "science" of phrenology, debunked almost two hundred years ago. Of course, as Dr. Grande says, behavior is a much better predictor of pathology than what a person looks like.
Exactly.
Say it louder for the people in the back. Judging people by the way they look is mind boggling.
Foggy Wood,You got a lovely smile 😊
They made an AI recognize people's political orientation based on their faces as a joke, but the joke is on them - the AI learnt showed consistent good results and the scientists haven't figured how. Also for some of the body features there are explanations from biochemistry like level of hormones and etc which could also influence the behavior. I wouldn't hurry to dismiss phrenology.
Gosh as I read your comment - Dr Grande said at exactly the same time as i read .... " behaviour is a much better predictor. So weird.
Thank you for debunking the “Narcissist Eyebrow” study. I’ve seen it mentioned before and thought it was an interesting, but ultimately flawed study. Females are taught from a young age to always look their best, and as we grow older, we watch our mothers, watch makeup tutorials etc. The number one thing you learn is that eyebrows are *everything!* They frame the face and there are about a million products designed to help you fill in your brows to compensate for sparse hair follicles and give you a fuller, darker look. Also, most of us girls have been plucking/shaping our brows since we were young teens. It’s quite a time-burglar as part of one’s morning routine, and finally I got so tired of it that I opted for “micro blading,” basically tattooing on fake brows so you don’t have to mess around with makeup anymore. I certainly don’t consider myself a narcissist, just someone who is sick and tired of the daily eyebrow hassle. I’d guess many, many women feel the same - hope society doesn’t deem us all narcissists after creating an impossible standard of beauty.
I completely agree!
Same with me. Perhaps cause I'm less narcicisstic than its good for my, I try to appear to be more narc than I really am for Not being a victim of them again💜
Only someone as unscientific as Dr Ramani could take studies like this that seriously. And I also really want to know where people get the money from to make studies like this. And cancer studies don't get enought money? Well, what a wonderful world...
Unquestionably the most interesting and informative channel on YT
I had a child with a dark triad individual. He was only in her life until school age then just mostly from a distance . She’s almost 18 now and looking close to a factor 1 psychopath diagnosis. Cold callous behavior, cruelty to animals no facial expression. Always emotionally neutral unless she is pretending around someone she is wanting something from. I wish you could observe her, would find it interesting I am sure. Very high functioning, acts shy and sweet but behind closed doors oh boy.
Dang! I'm sosorry about that. How s everything now? Ha e you gotten a proper diagnosis?
I feel my daughters are all on the cusp of such a diagnoses. But what kind of adult woman is going to go to see a mental health expert and not fire them if they are given such a diagnoses. That has always shocked me that they demand that they need a diagnoses before really knowing their condition, when they are not idiots. They will not go in honestly stating the way their mind works, in fear of judgement. The only ones who get to see the REAL monster, are those that they feel comfortable enough to treat like garbage because they arent worried they are going anywhere, and they can always tell others that that person is a liar or crazy.
@@jennitalbot6785 Lift them up in constant prayer
@@jennitalbot6785 you just described a narcissist.
@@stillwaters7730 narcissists are the inflated sense of self and that egocentrical shit her daughter sounds much more like a psychopath maybe sociopath but hurting small animals is mainly a psycho thing
In my job as night manager/security at a holiday camp I have to deal with people face to face and I can often spot the trouble makers before they kick off.
The eyes really tell you a lot as well! I make a point to always make eye contact with everyone I come in contact with! 👍🏾
I find there's a kind of "rush" or "quick fix" to label everything and everyone and as you said Dr. "that could be dangerous " I absolutely agree as this could so easily bring about more prejudice than there already is. No one chooses to be born with thick or thin eyebrows so that alone would be very unjust.
I appreciated your candid and frank opinion which is definitely the best identifier of anyone's caracter, their behavior. Thank you for having such a beautiful humble posture. 🌈💐💗
My best friend in elementary school said at first she was scared of me because she thought I was probably mean due to my thick, dark eyebrows. It finally comes full circle! Maybe she was picking up on that narcisism eyebrow trait and that's why she suspected I was a mean person. (We became best friend which we remain to this day, 25 years later). I also wonder.... Since this study was done in 2011 and again I'm 2018, when big thick brows have been very much in fashion, I wonder if the eyebrows don't directly signify narcisism but, the fact that a person is trying to make themselves look fashionable and attractive, which is a known behavioral indicator of narcassim. If this study was done in the 90's, when over-plucked, skinny brows were in style, I wonder if people would select the 90's fashionable, thin browed people as the narcissists.
I have often been stunned at how often serial killers are very handsome (or beautiful if women). I don't know why we generally assume that we can tell by appearance a person's character, but it's an absolutely incorrect assumption. When we meet new people, it's wise to ignore their looks and evaluate their character based on actions, words and expressions. If things seem off, be smart and hold that person at arms length.
Umm, lots of them are QUITE average in Appearance, or even homely!
Well, I've just done a Google picture search of serial killers and I must say I'm not picking up on this 'beauty' thing. Given the choice, I'd stay single. It could be a good survival strategy in this instance.
www.google.co.uk/search?q=serial+killer&sxsrf=ACYBGNRxUNBkKVYZhmSZ99_Wo4FuxXGgug:1567996051859&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSpri92MLkAhUxVRUIHXobBHIQ_AUIEygC&biw=1920&bih=967#imgrc=issx8iouzJxciM:
good looking are treated differently by others which could cause them to be more psychopathic?
@@moonboy2022 That's a great point and it has been debated and demonstrated in social studies. But yes, definitely. Maybe not psychopathic but definitely more entitled and arrogant.
The serial killers like Ted Bundy are average to ugly. Haven’t seen a handsome serial killer.
Very fascinating topic, Dr Todd!
Well said. Behavior and Patterns over time are the best way to tell if someone is toxic or not, well in my own experience at least.
The hardest thing for me to tell if someone is toxic or if IM the toxic one. I’m stuck in that hell loop. If I had to make a final answer it would the the other person B/C I notice when I get negative attention it’s because I “CANT” anymore and I start to act like Jekyll and Hyde and then I Hate myself for reacting and not responding. The person I believe is narcissistic never really feels that bad about reacting in a childish way.
Just writing this opening helped me feel a bit less crazy lol
The eyes are the windows to the soul... I have seen some seriously disturbing eyes recently. Kind of freaking me out. My ex would often avoid eye contact with people he doesn’t know, but could look me directly in the eyes, lie to my face, and not even flinch when he realizes I am reading through him.That is because he has no guilt for wrong doings. He prides himself on doing whatever he pleases. Hurting someone else is just a bonus. In fact, he finds other people suffering to be amusing... Even if it’s his kids.
So sorry to hear you go through this, I pray for you and your family :-(
Sorry to hear this, keep him at arms length your children do not need that around
The eye brow approach for spotting narcissism is like a modern day version of phenology.
Phrenology. But I agree.
I have some sociopathic tendecies, and the hyper awareness about it makes me paranoid to build trust and relationships.
I believe in friendships, but my brain keeps informing me terrible false ideas about people all the time.
Can you share a little more? I was raised by narcs, and have been thinking deeply about this subject for the last week. Like, where tf do they pull this stuff from, the stuff they make up about me? Then hurl at me with such confidence. Tell me a little more. Is it like intrusive thoughts, they just come, unbidden?
Thx in advance.
But are they false? Sometimes it's also a protective mechanism to avoid betrayal and pain. At the end of the day. One CANNOT trust anyone. Facts
I've always wondered about this. I feel we can really read what people are thinking just by looking at their eyes...so you talking about a narcissists facial expressions is so interesting! What do you think about facial expressions of these young men who have committed school shootings or workplace shootings?
I find your videos really interesting and educational, but I think it would be really helpful if you included images or videos that demonstrate the things you’re talking about. For example the different eyebrows you discuss would’ve been greatly helped by including images that demonstrate the differences. Just a suggestion.
Read a book by Timothy T Mar , face reading The Art of Chinese Physiogomy. It is a marvelous book that details the indications of every part of the face. It's a 'face-inating' study! Sorry about the pun.
@@user-gy9iw6id1n there are many features that point to people that need to be in control, features that point to self-centeredness. I love the study of face reading too
@@hairdresser1300 it takes a lot of study. The Chinese can pinpoint the age of death.
During my employment in a super max for the criminally insane I attended a lecture by a psychiatrist that used hollywood movies to show us examples of psychopaths, sociopaths, schizoids, paranoids. It was really good.
Dr Grande, your eyebrows are thick!
I have met three narcissist in my life. Each was different; two had the death stare one was pure charisma sparkling eyes. It’s in the eyes it’s a darkness from the sole from either up rearing or presence of a force. Doesn’t matter either one of will take you down hard and fast. Emotional vampires 🧛♂️
Lemme guess the death stare one was the grandiose narcissist and the sparkling eyes was the vulnerable narcissist?
Thanx Dr Grande , I appreciate the intelligent and highly informative information about psychopathic people we all should look out for .
I (for whatever reason) have always been able to intuit narcissists on their facial characteristics alone, but not the other two, so this did not surprise me. One thing you didn't mention that may be a factor, and this is juat a theory I have, is along with those theories you mentioned as reasons narcissists' faces might give them away - I think it may be possible that regardless of the face they are born with, the mental and psychological makep of narcs, and therefore, the inherent behaviors and faical expressions they make while doing these behaviors (even though often these expressions are admittedly disconnects to what might be expected of anyone else given the circumstance, it is in line with that of a narc) - these repetitive facial contortortions, over the top or sometimes purposely put on affectation are masks which, over time, begin to actually shape the muscular structure of the face itself. I am not a doctor nor do I know all the proper terminology but I know I have heard facial exercises can truly affect the overall shape and structure of one's face...think of people who have feep frown lines or smiley creases around their eyes. Or ither environemal factors wihch may be common among narcissists which play unexamined roles in their health and therefore how they actually look. (i.e. their diet, if they smoke, if they exercise regularly, etc.)
Forget about the eyebrows, the eyes tell all, they are the window to the soul.
I wish sweety!!!! My husband of 15 yrs has the most beautiful sky blue eyes !!!!! That's exactly my belief about the windows to the soul .. I freaking believed his every word for the longest time!!
I literally have to not look into his eyes because I melt and believe again... But his intentions are false and evil!!!!
He fools everyone!!! My kids are emotionally torn and I'm sick of the pain I caused by believing a compulsive liar!!!!! I had to put my foot down and just admit that everything he says is a lie!!!! No matter what!!!
Now I'm mostly right. Rather then wrong again and crying for trusting the untrustworthy malicious pig!!!!
Women tell me i have bedroom eyes it works in my favor. But i have been told it can fool people. Im not a bad person . i have a good heart. I do feel ive manipulated women tho. Anyone care to comment
A picture would help. I am intrigued lol. You sound like any other man.
no such thing as a 'soul'.
@@provethioaltum3276 it has nothing to do with the shape or colour of your eyes, it is how you look at women. that's the difference. holding a gaze, studying their face, watching their lips move - all sexy, all bedroom-ish. so long as you are not promising women something you can't deliver or mistreating them, fill your boots!
They are hard to spot because they copy everybody and everything. Also, those of us on the defense side of these bottomless pits may come across as narcissists because we have to go many extra miles to keep ourselves afloat, such as over explaining ourselves to people to make up for damage done by the narcissists.
Yes, this!!!
Chameleon.
THIS
I live in a very small town. I have been gradually isolating for 10 years. People I once had decent passing communication now sneer at me. My NARC family have been running me down to everyone. Know how much weight family Carrie's in regard to a persons reputation? Its huge.
People on the neurodivergent spectrum copy people to learn how to be. That is not a fair assessment.
I found this interesting. I had heard about the eyes giving some indication of paranoia “headlights” but had not heard about eye brows. I enjoy hearing your discussion and analysis about the complexity of prediction.
The eyebrow thing is sooo spot on Its registered pretty strongly with me for years/decades.
For me my analysis of this syndrome is what I call face cracking. It's a slight variation of what they call micro expressions. For example, a woman cleans my downstairs neighbor's apartment. I saw her one day, asked what she charged etc. She seemed personable and competent and reasonable. I took out my phone to get her info.
As I turned my head slightly away from her, her face "cracked." There was an evil that showed itself in a split second. I took her info, told her I would call her later and got the hell away from her. That's that. A friend of mines wife is the same way at his store. She's all smiles but her face "cracks" in a split second when she deals with me so I know she does NOT like me and to keep business interaction with her short and to the point.
So I think this is almost the same as mentioned here.
For me it's not the eyes, mouth I read. It's the whole face that just cracks or more precisely the mask "drops" , I see it and I know and I drop them before they'll have a chance to DROP me.
People Always give off their energy and intentions most times before they even say a word.
Thanks for the video. It's an excellent confirmation.
@Dezy blue You've missed the point and evaluation. I did not need to call the lady.
If you reread my post you'll see that I made an "in person" evaluation based on the clues she presented at the time. There was no need for further information.
I think that you may be a victim of a present day social engineering construct that demands that people keep searching for more and more "information" as opposed to trusting their inner authority.
For example; I have long disliked a certain prominent politician in spite of their seeming very good ideas and policies. Didn't know exactly why. I've never met, called and had any personal interaction with this politician.
Yesterday a video surfaced of said politician saying some VERY nasty things. Now I know why his face "cracks" when I see him speaking etc.
I love myself and I trust my inner wisdom.👳♂️🏛🕌🖼
What if her face cracking was her bodies way of identifying your "evil" spirit inside your ugly soul. How sure are you that the evilness Inside of you couldn't deceive your own mind into believing it's own plan. @123 321
Well there certainly seems to be an attraction to my comment and I will certainly address it.
First, as to the one who commented about the evilness of my soul. WRONG!!!
I believe in myself, accept myself and LOVE myself.
But, this woman was NOT responding to anything about the tramsaction---only to her narcissistic evil.
2. The guy she worked for also got rid of her. Strangely today I saw him at the mailbox. He said she stole money from him He's 82, on fixed income. She didnt care.
3. As a long time metaphysician and spiritualist, I know my paradigm.
4. As for being stinky. That's a non starter. I'm only stinky when I use the bathroom doing a #2 or after a 4k run. Otherwise I use plenty of soap and water, mennen deodorant and a splash of old spice EVERYDAY!!!
5. Sunlight in her eyes? Hah!!! We were in the basement laundry room of my building dumb dumb. More sunlight penetrates your underwear than my basement.
6. Me being a "little" off. You mean being different or unusual or thinking and knowing outside the box-the sheeple box. THEN yes youre right and I take it as a compliment.
7. All you clowns are materialists looking to rationalize evil and bad behavior. What else is new?
That's All!!!
Thanks
@@user-eu3qy8uf7f Do you mean Gavin Newsom?
@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n No. I have met him personally once and have seen him numerous times. And of course countless times in the media. He's a politician, who says and does what politicians do. Is it face cracking or dark triad with him? Absolutely not.
Are there politicians and public figures with dark triad? Of course. But I'm not naming/shaming them here.
Real creepy when they laugh harder than the joke😭😭
Lanique Washington omg. Yes!
OR when they have no sense of humor. A comedy movie, they "don't get it", or fake laugh during funny parts.
Lmao ? Haga
Some people who are autistic also do these things. They may be high functioning and you aren’t aware they’re autistic. /:
Lanique: I think you're spot on with your comment, and I believe the loud, fake, inappropriate, disproportionate laugh is a clear sign he's not only a narcissist, but also a psychopath.
The thing with narcissism is that regardless of how the person actually looks, they believe their way of being is the gold standard. I don’t believe that narcissists have any idea of what they look like to others.
Most don't realise how dumb they are.
...what I have noticed from contact with narcisstic people is that they have a very huge amount of facial mimics and eyebrow movement- it´s like a great show happening on their faces but only having place while it´s THEM SPEAKING. When they are supposed to listen the other person, the show dissapears...
For whatever it's worth, my personal experience of knowing a Dark Triad person quite well indicates that if you know, or suspect, that someone might be of that type, then you could notice quite a lot of really odd looks they have even in emotionally neutral situations. Here is a real-life example: when you come to your ostensible friend (a DT person) and you are smiling warmly, and as a reaction, you get a half-quizzical and half-disgusted look that says "you fool!". Of course, at the time you rationalize that to yourself, thinking "Oh, well, he is just tired, and I am being too insensitive to his worries", etc., but in reality you have just seen a real self of that person-only you will realize that quite a bit later...
SK I watched a biology lecture that talked about smiling. They said it can be seen as a kind of subordinate action, to appear friendly rather than hostile. Perhaps some of those who value power see it as weakness.
@@robertl5105, I can only speak from personal experience here... BUT it's also very possible that smiling can come across to "the DT person" as threatening, too. It depends on the known personality of the smiler... (for lack of better term).
Projecting a good humor in the face of adversity is often considered a highly regarded trait of leadership... AND to those who value power (like leadership organically gained over others) struggle with defining someone who consistently and simply "projects that good humor".
I've often found that retaining a smile (even dubious or disingenuous) when I know I'm in social or professional contention with someone else, disarms their ability to "read me" at the very least, something the "DT person" finds infuriating. They tend to not only "go defensive" at the presence of someone they can't read, but even tend to violently lash out.
"When I first met you, I wasn't sure if I should shake your hand or punch you in the face." Is a quote I've often related directly to someone who has some issue around the narcissistic or sociopathological territories. AND it's why I tend to cover just about anything with humor in "public view"... waiting to get home, alone, and completely private to bitch or cry about anything. ;o)
I used to get that look from my mother aaallll the time
to be honest, you look stupid if you are smiling constantly for no reason
@@Blox117, careful there... your Fraudian slip is showing... (lolz)
It would depend on the degree of smile. You'd be correct regarding a permanent goofy grin plastered blankly on one's face...
BUT projecting a reasonably positive expression, is different. Try keeping that in mind. ;o)
I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head when you said it's complex data oversimplified and drawing the wrong conclusions
You just made this video so you could say “Machiavellianism,” more then once🤣...it is a cool word❣️Thank you, I so enjoy your videos✨
I appreciate your channel so much!
The eyes never lie, and neither does energy. Thats all you need to know.
Well, Jesus had very depleted energies many a times. So there are times and circumstances that that might not be true. But yea, I agree
@@jakerojas5888 I read online that dogs can sense a bad person too
Lionel Rich-tea bullshit my first boyfriend was horrible abusive yet my foster mothers Akita loved him and be nasty to me( unless it was thundering then he’d cuddle up with me crying wanting me to comfort which I did knowing full well when the rain stopped he would return to his bully behavior)
Good point. K.I.S.S
only look at someone's doings.
anything else is easily faked
Very rapid, illogical change in apparent emotional/mental state, incongruity of words and actions, giving off very different vibes in a short amount of time, using open vague promises and commitments, not revealing intentions readily or fully, actively withholding information, trying to impose helplessness/needing help on you, trying to forcely "read you" and shove ideas, feelings onto you out of the blue, pushing too hard too soon, trying to disconnect you from your jugement, reasoning and intuition, offering help that you didn't ask for, being weirdly extra "nice" and available, asking you for data that might not be needed in the situation.. An overall sensation of being pushed towards something in a strong unexplainable hurry, and with extreme urgency and awkwardness, a sense of a bizzare see_saw highly adrenalized connection that can be addictive in a twisted way. Twisted strange ideas and "moral codes" about the world, himself and you.
The eyes of course, the stupid emotionless laugh or smile, an overall feeling of looming darkness and emptiness, hate, superficiality, awkwardness, vanity, stupid very analytical shallow "mental occupation" all the time, strong resentment, not giving a fuck, and taking pleasure in the most naturally pathetic or disgusting situations.
That's how you can spot a narc in my opinion.
TRUST YOUR GUT AND MIND, AND RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
This is the most accurate description I've ever read in my life. As I read each one, I was thinking yep, that's him ALL OVER! Literally, I woke up early this morning and once he knew I was up, he came in and offered help with something I didn't need help with. One thing led to another and he called me an ignorant bitch. He doesn't even seem bothered by the virus. He seems more excited than afraid and it's freaking me out how "happy" he seems... I've been fighting with my intuition since the day we got married not even 4 months ago and I think it's time to let it win. Thank you for the most accurate description I've ever read on narcissistic traits ❤
Perfect explanation. The relationship this person sucks your soul away. I spent three years living with the exact description above. If I had not researched her behaviors I'm positive she won't have crushed my brain.
@@karishort1891 I am wishing you luck.
It took me some months to get sure this is not getting to work out no matter what.
Left an engagement and was devastated, and stayed miserable for some time.. But now I think of it all as a far away dream that I am happy I woke up from.
You'll do it in time if it's meant for you.
@@randalmcmurphy4865 there's grace that comes when day when we try our best.
Glad you're safe and sound noelw Randal.
Sociopath/psychopath/borderline/antisocial-- cluster b..they all have it. And,wow..where did you come up with this description, it is absolutely fantastic!
I like your explanation of statistical significance and effect…..
It’s that type of research that the media cling onto “spot a psychopath by their eyebrows” type of headline
Dr. Todd Grande! Thank you for this information. I always pay attention to their behavior.
The eyes more than any other feature, is so obvious from my own observation. It's a dark entity that transmutes visibly while expressing anger. It's a cold piercing expression, that the narcissists express when anger peaks. Its a bone chilling entity.
Exactly ,my husband's eyes would go black.. I remember trying to explain this to people. His eyes looked soulless..
Mannn, my brother had me traumatized growing up during his teen years and his eyes too would turn really scary and black. He did have issues that he never got professional treatment for. I really don’t know how my sister-in-law can live with him. He seems to have respect for her though. I swear she is like some volcanic rock 🪨 capable of withstanding extreme temperatures. She is amazing.
There is a YT video titled something like The demonic forces behind narcissism.
As the lord said... by their actions, ye shall know them...
By their fruits
Isn't that mostly mediated by the rumor mill, rendering it entirely unreliable?
@@lisalanden I've never been able to recognize another man by his plums.
Yes! By their actions...not facial structure.
@@lisalanden same thing actions are the fruits of a person
It takes me a lot of self-work everyday to keep my psychotic traits and tendencies in check. I still never seem normal and come across as a sitcom character most likely. I have fully embraced my semi-delusional lifestyle, within some constraints now. Hey, it’s better than dying alone at least.
what traits/tendencies would you say you repress? Do you have a diagnosis for something or are you just self-evaluating?
well... psychotic is not psychopathic... or even associated with the Dark Triad personality traits. psychotic only refers to the delusional and detached-from-reality symptoms. so if you're saying you are psychotic... then you are basically saying you are schizophrenic or have a related condition. which is clinical mental illness. that doesn't match up with the content of this video. this video refers to dark personality traits. not in the same realm at all.
This is really good thanks love your videos !!! 📹 ❤
i don't know about facial features as that i have not experienced or taken much notice of, however occasionally when i am interacting with them, for a fleeting moment they don't look familiar as if they have "shape shifted" (for lack of better explanation) and then they are back.
heather townley I know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s like a glimpse of their true face but a few seconds...slightly demonic
That’s trippy
That’s trippy
Yep, its the mask slipping for a second.
I just read your comment & it gave me chills because a few months ago, the guy I was dating kept giving me "weird vibes" sporadically. He stayed over & I woke up in the night, that feeling someone was watching me. The first thing I saw was him, sat up in bed next to me, wearing his glasses, just staring at me, his eyes completely fixated & dead. I actually screamed out, a blood curdling scream too, my brain unable to recognise him. He did't move, his facial expression did not change at all. He just very calmly said "why do you scream like that?" which just in itself seemed really strange... Who wouldn't scream waking up, with someone just sat up, staring at them as they woke up. It's wasn't lack of light either because he insisted on sleeping with a light on. I woke up to such a few times & in the end, I did not want him in my bed. It was just so creepy. Like he was studying me as I slept. On one occasion, I woke up to him pointing his phone at me, like he was videoing me sleep. Dead eyes. It was like he was possessed at times. He seemed to find my unease intriguing & amusing. I know what you mean though about momentarily seeing someone else in there place. Almost demonic. That's why I screamed. It was like he knew I could see through his mask too because from that point on, I never saw the man I initially met again. Every time I looked at him, I saw his real face. I couldn't sense his soul. It was like he was just existing, not actually living. Once you sense such, you can't ever shake it. I halted contact with him.
The Dark Triad you described = I see these traits in most CEO's of large companies.
Almost a job requirement.
Dumbass comment.
True but they have to perform or at least get others to and take the credit. Politics is the ideal home for a DT. Look at politicians and the highest level in EU empire the unelected EU commission something they made for themselves.
As if you know the names or have studied ONE CEO of ANY company!! LOL...
Thank God it's easy to spot idiots!!
@@azapp4761 "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work is a 2006 non-fiction book by industrial psychologist Paul Babiak and criminal psychologist Robert D. Hare." - Wikipedia
Thanks Dr. Grande. Your insights are appreciated.
When I notice narcissistic behavior, I test them by politely pushing back on their argument and wait for them to throw a fit and try to steamroll me. I just smile and thank them for proving my point. Time to walk away and not get sucked into their drama.
wait you mean that if you lose an argument then your opponent is narcistic xd
@@michaelhighlights1614 naw. It should not be like that. If you lose an argument, you should thank that person for the lesson, bro. It sucks, but at least you learned something new. I’m wrong many times. No reason to be ashamed of being wrong if you learn from it. But there’s some people that can’t handle being wrong and refuse to admit it.
@@michaelhighlights1614 it's often a case of you can't win an argument with an argumentative person so don't play ball
Thank you for addressing the difference between statistical significance and significant effect, and noting that this is often misconstrued in reporting of findings in news articles without any background on a study. It is a huge problem, indeed. Thank you so much for educating people about this aspect of scientific studies, statistics, and findings!
I think I can see criminality in faces. Sometimes when a group charged with the same crime is pictured, I try to choose the worst ones vs the ones that were pressured or just following along, before reading about them, and I get it right! Even with no expression, they look harder and meaner.
I don’t think you can really tell. There are people with the most gentle faces that are very bad people and also people who look mean but are very gentle.
Exactly. How one presents themselves makes a huge difference, and sometimes there are things that force someone to present themselves in limited ways, like alopecia. I had long hair, like Nic Cage in con air, but started to lose big patches on the sides and back of my head. So much that I had to either shave it all off or just keep the top, and figure out a style from there. I chose to keep the top, and kept it long. With a beard and the new haircut I look a lot more intimidating than I did with a full head of long hair just because of a medical condition. Even fully bald I think would still feel more aggressive looking.
I believe your video here is spot on Dr. Grande. I have only met one person who I absolutely identified as dark triad who I watched grow up from a child. Even at the age of seven to eight years old she was extremely Machiavellian and manipulative and she became more dysfunctional the older she grew. What gave her away as being dark triad wasn’t her face, the blank stare she had, her eyebrows, although I must say, they are extremely bushy, or anything else about her physical appearance. It was how she acted around a crowd. She was never involved with people, always along the periphery of the crowd and when something was going on, especially something that would cause a normal person any kind of concern you would find her standing off, and just watching with a completely blank stare. The worst part was that her posture was almost vulture like, bent over slightly at the mid thoracic area with her neck slightly forward, while just …watching. Totally blank face with a slight hint of superiority. Needless to say after she sat in front of me and lied, like no one has ever lied to me before when I knew she was lying, and she knew I knew she was lying, I kicked her out of my life. Pay attention to how people act, not what they actually look like, or how bushy their eyebrows are. She was scary, devoid of… everything normal human emotions would provide. I have told my family if she ever comes to their door, don’t open it to her.
Thank you for your common sense approach to this 'study'... I think it's ridiculous to be honest and if a person has thick/thin/wide/small/large eyebrows etc then it's attributed to their genes and ethnicity, it's got nothing to do with their moral compass or characteristics as a person! I can't believe people actually believe that there's a connection between narcissism and thick eyebrows.... I mean, seriously?! My eyebrows are of the thinner variety but they are very prominently raised at the moment. Does that mean I'm 6 foot tall & have high self esteem?? Honestly, this is pseudoscience as far as I'm concerned. Or just plain BS.
Moving on........
Best way checking. Have an MRI done. The amygdala will be poorly developed. There will be frontal grey cortex. Course the Richard Haired psychopathy checklist
Yet many studies have found correlations between many physical body factors & the actions or demeanor of people people, example:
The pointer finger being longer or shorter than the ring finger is generally thought to be due to how much testosterone one is getting in utero. More or less testosterone in utero Will have effects on behavior, thinking & overall demeanor of a person....yet We all have genes, as you say, that should be dictating that within ourselves as we grow in the womb.
So, I disagree, certain physical traits (not all & they're are always exceptions to the rule) can indicate things about a person's behavior or personality traits.
Anywho.....
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