"Penetrates Maus frontally at 2000m" Yeah this Panzer 46 thing isn't gonna work out for Germany
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Its so funny that the Germans unintentionally spured the Allies on to develop much more dangerous tanks by deploying a small number of unicorn tanks that didnt have much influence on the war as a whole for them
Always found the SU-122-54 to be an interesting case as well, the Soviets did not abandon the concept of a casemate tank destroyer for some time, and the SU-122-54 is sort of the pinnacle of that concept
I love that tonk also but I guess that some nations proved that concept with things like the weird german M113 apc with a gun to be a weird cross of stug and M113... other vehicles based on the leopard 1.... And/or the italian vespa with recoiless rifle. That thing should be added for war thunder
so, we are going with no Tiger 2has ever been penned from the front. I did find two pictures where Russian 152mm almost went through. Those were end of battle pics. We all know, the shell does not have to pen, but penetration ... U fucking virgins
All of this is very interesting for the panzer 46 series... who does not want to see an IS 3 vs an E 50 or maus.... or the different ISU assault guns.. But we need the real fluff of the panzer 46. The real "the new order" what if scenario. The absolute and definitive battle between 2 titans. The kugelpanzer Vs the Vespa with recoiless rifle
The super bazooka was fielded 5 years after the war. 275 mm penetration. Imagine a Maus trundlind around at 15mph and 2 squaddies taking it out from the sides. German high command gets sick in their Helmets as their 5 Maus Tanks use up all their Strategic Petrol reserves to drive 100 miles to their end by Ivan and GI Joe firing super bazookas.
Sure but that armor won’t help much against 500lb air dropped munitions. Or large shaped charges. Or even small shaped charges. Or mines. Or really anything but tank cannons firing kinetic ammunition
The British pattern brigades has 24, 25 pounder QF with air burst at 28 ft would kill all nme tank in engine deck. Most German tanks killed by arty, example Falaiase. By 1943, 25 pounders had the new proximity fuses. 25 pounders were given 20 rounds of antitank rounds. The guns that had those rounds can b identified by having a muzzel brake.
Still waiting to someone to confirm Tiger 2 231 in Belgium got those dents in battle or practice. from what I read, it was all 6 pounders and infantry that stopped Tiger 231. Those dents were made by a 25 pounder at 50 yards. The big dents in the fascia. There might be a Canadian 25 pounder gun crew that really stopped Tiger 231, even though there were 6 pounder shots through the sides of the turret.
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn Ur full of shit. and that is how you make ur ammonia and nitrates. Don't fucking bother my Peter. (punny) Or Canada will come down on you. Would you like me to tell where you are at?
Hey Peter is there anything out there regarding the Soviets assessing the effectiveness of HE filler in their AP shells? As far as I know they manufactured 76mm AP with and without filler during the war but never heard anything else about it beyond that. Also great video it’s always fun to do Soviet Panzer 46
76 mm solid shot was played around on an experimental basis with but the Red Army always considered HE filler to be necessary for AP shells. Not having HE filler was one of the biggest drawbacks of British tanks and not a single report on their effectiveness omits this drawback. AP shells were tested "fused inert" though so that their fragments could be studied after penetration.
I was curious about something; In 1941 I heard some bureaus and factories were working on designs for multiple high-power penetrating anti-tank and divisional guns. Usually in parallel with the KV projects and etc. Most of them were 107mm but their muzzle velocities were quite impressive. I was wondering if there were any thoughts about possibly reviving those projects in the later half of the war like with the naval gun on the T-100y that you mentioned. If it was even something that was thought of.
Hello Peter are you planning to add all this as well as other objects and projects that you described previously in your blog in a book? I would love to have everything combined in a nice manuscript. You are one of the few people that brings this cool info to the western area of military enthusiastics
14:26 according to WT calculator, the guns would have the follwoing flat pen at those super high velocities: 122mm at 1300m/s (using BR-471B): 450mm 100mm at 1500m/s (using BR-412B): 508mm 128mm at 1200m/s (using PzGr 43): 368mm EDIT: irl none of those shells would be able to go through that much armor especially at an angle due to all of them having really high velocity and a large hole for the filler since they were APHE. the shells would just break apart/shatter on impact also, can you make a video about the high power 107mm guns, like the ZiS-24?
Yeah, 1500 m/s from a conventional AP shell is going to be very difficult to achieve and then not just splatter the projectile onto its target. I suppose it's possible to design a whole new shell for those velocities, but at that point just go with APFSDS. I probably have enough content for a video on 107 mm guns. It would have to center on the ZIS-6 (this is Tank Archives after all) but I would make a mention of anti-tank artillery as well.
@@TankArchives IIRC there was a very realistic idea for the Object 279 to use a 85mm gun with a shell velocity of 3000 m/s (the gun was named 85mm Streal AK IIRC). from what i remember a prototype was made and it maxed out at 1500m/s but was deemed impractical (what a shock). also the ZiS-24 is the gun on the KV-4 in WoT, so i am interested in what that project archieved as to my knowledge the gun was made and tested around 1940-41
Not even realistic. Even the 152 mm could only pen the front armour of tiger 2 at 650m. But that big gun would spall the crew, even if it did not penetrate. I found a couple pics. So, I will stand by the fact no Tiger 2 was ever frontally penetrated. Tiger 231, those big dents were made by a 25 pounder at 25-50 yards. That gun was not mentioned in the battle report. I would like to know if it was testing or in battle and nobody writes about Canadians.
"Penetrates Maus frontally at 2000m" Yeah this Panzer 46 thing isn't gonna work out for Germany
Its so funny that the Germans unintentionally spured the Allies on to develop much more dangerous tanks by deploying a small number of unicorn tanks that didnt have much influence on the war as a whole for them
I love your video series on the "Panzer '46". Please keep making them
Always found the SU-122-54 to be an interesting case as well, the Soviets did not abandon the concept of a casemate tank destroyer for some time, and the SU-122-54 is sort of the pinnacle of that concept
I love that tonk also but I guess that some nations proved that concept with things like the weird german M113 apc with a gun to be a weird cross of stug and M113... other vehicles based on the leopard 1....
And/or the italian vespa with recoiless rifle.
That thing should be added for war thunder
Gaijin: "write that down, write that down"
And finally I learned where on earth did the infamous WoT IS3 BL-9 come from
What about smaller stuff? All of the giant '46 vehicles on all sides get the most attention. But smaller new vehicles would also be produced.
Definitely, you would have seen the Jagdpanzer 38D, SU-85B, Alecto, and HMC M37, on the battlefield at the very least.
So many tank nerds I can't be first anymore.
so, we are going with no Tiger 2has ever been penned from the front. I did find two pictures where Russian 152mm almost went through. Those were end of battle pics. We all know, the shell does not have to pen, but penetration ... U fucking virgins
Sorry Peter.
All of this is very interesting for the panzer 46 series... who does not want to see an IS 3 vs an E 50 or maus.... or the different ISU assault guns.. But we need the real fluff of the panzer 46.
The real "the new order" what if scenario.
The absolute and definitive battle between 2 titans.
The kugelpanzer Vs the Vespa with recoiless rifle
The super bazooka was fielded 5 years after the war. 275 mm penetration. Imagine a Maus trundlind around at 15mph and 2 squaddies taking it out from the sides. German high command gets sick in their Helmets as their 5 Maus Tanks use up all their Strategic Petrol reserves to drive 100 miles to their end by Ivan and GI Joe firing super bazookas.
It is easier to find gun capable of destroying superheavy tank then bridge capable of supporting it.
In the battle between warhead and armor, warhead always wins eventually.
Sure but that armor won’t help much against 500lb air dropped munitions. Or large shaped charges. Or even small shaped charges. Or mines. Or really anything but tank cannons firing kinetic ammunition
The British pattern brigades has 24, 25 pounder QF with air burst at 28 ft would kill all nme tank in engine deck. Most German tanks killed by arty, example Falaiase. By 1943, 25 pounders had the new proximity fuses. 25 pounders were given 20 rounds of antitank rounds. The guns that had those rounds can b identified by having a muzzel brake.
@ I’ve made shaped charges at home that could penetrate the roof armor
Still waiting to someone to confirm Tiger 2 231 in Belgium got those dents in battle or practice. from what I read, it was all 6 pounders and infantry that stopped Tiger 231. Those dents were made by a 25 pounder at 50 yards. The big dents in the fascia. There might be a Canadian 25 pounder gun crew that really stopped Tiger 231, even though there were 6 pounder shots through the sides of the turret.
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn Ur full of shit. and that is how you make ur ammonia and nitrates. Don't fucking bother my Peter. (punny) Or Canada will come down on you. Would you like me to tell where you are at?
You need to be banned
Hey Peter is there anything out there regarding the Soviets assessing the effectiveness of HE filler in their AP shells? As far as I know they manufactured 76mm AP with and without filler during the war but never heard anything else about it beyond that. Also great video it’s always fun to do Soviet Panzer 46
76 mm solid shot was played around on an experimental basis with but the Red Army always considered HE filler to be necessary for AP shells. Not having HE filler was one of the biggest drawbacks of British tanks and not a single report on their effectiveness omits this drawback. AP shells were tested "fused inert" though so that their fragments could be studied after penetration.
I was unsubscribed to you for some reason. Thankfully this video appeared in the recommendations.
Another excellent video. I will have to purchase your books. Is there a best place to do that in Canada? I believe you are local in that regard.
Probably Amazon, it somehow turned out that all my publishers are UK-based and ordering directly from them means paying a king's ransom in shipping.
I was curious about something;
In 1941 I heard some bureaus and factories were working on designs for multiple high-power penetrating anti-tank and divisional guns. Usually in parallel with the KV projects and etc. Most of them were 107mm but their muzzle velocities were quite impressive. I was wondering if there were any thoughts about possibly reviving those projects in the later half of the war like with the naval gun on the T-100y that you mentioned. If it was even something that was thought of.
The 107 mm gun idea came back briefly, but 107 ammo was no longer in production so there was no advantage over using a 122 or 100 mm gun.
Hello Peter are you planning to add all this as well as other objects and projects that you described previously in your blog in a book? I would love to have everything combined in a nice manuscript. You are one of the few people that brings this cool info to the western area of military enthusiastics
It would have to be more specific than "all the prototypes" but I'm not opposed to it. Maybe even more than one.
14:26
according to WT calculator, the guns would have the follwoing flat pen at those super high velocities:
122mm at 1300m/s (using BR-471B): 450mm
100mm at 1500m/s (using BR-412B): 508mm
128mm at 1200m/s (using PzGr 43): 368mm
EDIT:
irl none of those shells would be able to go through that much armor especially at an angle due to all of them having really high velocity and a large hole for the filler since they were APHE. the shells would just break apart/shatter on impact
also, can you make a video about the high power 107mm guns, like the ZiS-24?
Yeah, 1500 m/s from a conventional AP shell is going to be very difficult to achieve and then not just splatter the projectile onto its target. I suppose it's possible to design a whole new shell for those velocities, but at that point just go with APFSDS.
I probably have enough content for a video on 107 mm guns. It would have to center on the ZIS-6 (this is Tank Archives after all) but I would make a mention of anti-tank artillery as well.
@@TankArchives IIRC there was a very realistic idea for the Object 279 to use a 85mm gun with a shell velocity of 3000 m/s (the gun was named 85mm Streal AK IIRC).
from what i remember a prototype was made and it maxed out at 1500m/s but was deemed impractical (what a shock).
also the ZiS-24 is the gun on the KV-4 in WoT, so i am interested in what that project archieved as to my knowledge the gun was made and tested around 1940-41
Not even realistic. Even the 152 mm could only pen the front armour of tiger 2 at 650m. But that big gun would spall the crew, even if it did not penetrate. I found a couple pics. So, I will stand by the fact no Tiger 2 was ever frontally penetrated. Tiger 231, those big dents were made by a 25 pounder at 25-50 yards. That gun was not mentioned in the battle report. I would like to know if it was testing or in battle and nobody writes about Canadians.
Where are those pics?@@bradyelich2745
No armor could counter allied air superiority