The thing with asm2 is that it doesn't do one thing perfect but it does everything well enough. Its the most balanced and polished simrace experience I found to date. Even things like motion telemetry for motionrigs are far better than any other of the major simrace titles (For instance AC has terrible motion imo). Everything just works every time unlike most other simrace games where there is always that one thing that never works right. The one annoyance I had with ams2 before this patch was the menu on triple screens having to go to outer edges to click "ok" but even that is fixed now 👌
No, the multiplayer server is just not good enough without a dedicated server. I want to use AMS2 as the main sim for our league, its FFB and sim features are better, but so far our hopes are in ACEvo, because a league is by definition, multiplayer.
@NicolayGiraldo to be fair the p2p system 'should' be fixed in 1.6. I'll get a good test tonight with GTL here in Oz. They have run dedi servers for the most part sure to the instability of p2p. Let's just see if what reiza has promised will be delivered🤷
@@NicolayGiraldo Yeah not to be a jerk but I personally don't care about leagues and competitive racing. I'm whats called the immersive simracer. And from what I gather about ACEvo its more focused on the driving experience than anything else so i'm happy. 😅
Yep, they've done a great job with this update. One thing not mentioned, and which unfortunately this video doesn't show, is just how well it performs (this video looks like it's running at 30fps). I've just done a test: 48 car grid Nordschleife Time x20, Variable Weather 3440*1440 Resolution, 2 frame buffer All settings on Ultra (or High if there's no Ultra option) except Motion Blur which is Off. With V-Sync Off, it hovers around 180 to 200 FPS most of the time, dropping briefly (a second or two to ~110fps) at sunset/sunrise when the shadows are extremely long, and as it enters the Heavy Rain weather setting. Put V-Sync on and it just sits at 165fps, you still get the drops mentioned, but I had to just watch the frame counter to notice them. Doing as close a comparison as I can, ACC delivers 70 to 110fps (though you can turn DLSS on to crank up the famerate if you don't mind the blur), iRacing 90 to 180fps, in both any frame drops are longer, and more noticeable. I can't do the same test in Raceroom (no night racing or weather), but that thing will sit at 200+fps during World War 3, so it wouldn't be fair anyway. My two biggest gripes with AMS2 were the the vague handling and the cartoony shaders that made it look like a Nintendo game. Both have been dramatically improved with this patch. I think the new UI is shockingly bad, it looks like a bad website from the 90s, but I can live with that. If more people played Raceroom, it'd be my go-to sim, but they don't. Now, if AMS2 takes off on LFM, I might finally ditch that iRacing sub... Tested on: 165Hz 21:9 Monitor i7-14700KF @3.4GHz 64GB DDR5 RAM RTX 4080 Super Games installed on NVME M.2 SSD
@@happilyaverageracer A lot of star citizen youtubers already have their videos in ultrawide as a lot of people playing star citizen have 34" ultrawides. 49" super ultrawide is still a rare bread unfortunately..
When 1.6 released i was like "hm, I think its the same bad but I will give it a try anuway" And I was SHOCKED how good it is now!! For me it feels like a babily of iR and AC1 and I like everything so much) Reiza just made a super giant step in my opinion! Only con for me, there is still no ferrari
The one thing that has always won me over in AMS2 is that it just works out of the box. Pick a car, track, racing type, weather, time and race. Dont have to worry about mods, shaders, ai driving lines. Ive been on the journey with AMS2 for awhile now. Felt the pain at times, but the support and determination but Reiza was always there, which is lacking in other sims. Your video sums up my exact thoughts. Its 95% there, and it works out of the box. Best sim ever made.
I listened many reviews in french (french canadian here 😬) and English of course about version 1.6, and I can say , yours is the more accurate and the closent to my opinion, thank you 👍🏼 100% agreed with you
I speak both language but i have the impression that French reviews are not very accurate and deep when it's about sim racing. I prefer sticking with english reviews for more accurate insight.
for anyone who wants to improve feel, increase the ffb feel of the specific car you're driving to 115 percent, cars do not feel floaty as much, can properly feel them now.
One thing I don't like is how sensitive the breaks are on formula cars that have no ABS.... they need to fix this... I mean trail breaking in a modern formula car without locking is absolutely impossible so you pretty much opt to just engine break and lose time because otherwise you're destroying your tyres which makes no sense... Overall great update... for GT3s you still need to go to ACC which feels better (which makes sense since it's a niche game about GT3 specifically) but overall this is what you need to be playing at least until AC Evo comes out. Great job by the devs at Reiza... and to those that say that cars slide too much in AMS 2, you should go watch a professional high level driver and watch how they throw the car into every turn like maniacs and that the car doesn't spin just cause you throw it into the turn aggressively... AMS2 is a realistic sim racing title and a very good at that... only one kind of car I would race elsewhere is GT3... although GT3s are also massively improved with 1.6 and if you don't have ACC AMS2 is still a fantastic race with GT3s, just 3-5% less realistic than ACC in my opinion... even though AMS2 setups are way more realistic than ACC's because if you put an ACC setup on a real car you'll be going ONLY to the barriers and certainly not reaching the end of the race...
Good review John. I gravitate towards AMS2 because I do a fair bit of offline as well as online as when I just want to burn a few laps and have a giggle its quick to setup, the AI is decent and on my aging GTX1650 it still holds a steady 60 FPS with all options to high (not ultra). Do I wish it felt like Raceroom or rFactor2? Definitely, but the latest incarnation has got rid of my biggest gripe of pre 1.6, where you can just chuck it at a corner and gather it up by magic in the middle. I don't race a ton online but when I do its quick and easy and the peer to peer hosting is a simple "just works" solution. If online stability has improved like they hope then will be a big win. I'm there are tons of "game changing" physics going on, but I really only feel a huge different in corner entry which I think it what was largely broken before. Thanks for the heads up on the AI strength changes. I missed this in the change log and was trying to figure out how the AI had become OP when on same settings :)
I basically agree. My favourite is still AC. I've been in computers all my long life and I actually enjoy experimenting with CSP and Pure. Also, let's not forget Content Manager which will never be beaten by anyone as the best UI, record keeper etc. etc. What I love about AMS2 is that the developers are a great bunch. They listen, they observe reactions and they keep working towards perfection with the tools at their disposal. The AI is really good, which is very important to people like me who don't like online racing. Out of the box graphics are the best, we expect AC EVO to be better but we will have to wait and see. Their range of tracks is excellent. All in all the best all round out of the box racing sim.
Thing I love about AMS2 I'd just how easily it runs on potatoes. Especially with VR. Very well optimised. I noticed that things like distant trees still looked great, but they were simply sprites. I heard they've updated visual things like that, so yet to try it after all the updates. But even on low settings, it still looked better than what I can get AC to do. Runs 100x better than ACC for VR 😅
Great review - I like your take on the sim its not perfect - but no simulator is but its got a lot of good stuff PS love the odd socks - Your feet match AMS2 - a product of of parts
TBH it's not the best ... but none of the games are , and after 1.6 many problems have been sorted. I will say the audio when watching a replay trackside is pretty amazing! As for gamermuscle only AC is any good lol ... he's very opinionated and no ones elses matters ... still i go on what is fun/immersive . I enjoy LMU AMS2 ... the original AMS with the right car/track combo is still fantastic .. Raceroom is ok but for me there is something missing in the 'feel' , but i do like it. rF2 not played in a long time ... always felt incomplete ... still these are my opinions and other people choices are not wrong !
I haven't driven the update yet, been enjoying all the unlocked content on raceroom that they're currently doing. I loved ams1. So much I spent the $100 pre-ordering ams2 fully expanded when it was announced. But, it has glass tires, it never feels like you can really attack corners like raceroom, ams1, or pc2 allows for. Also, ams2 is pc2 based, but pc2 has better environments. The tracks are much more alive with spectators and banners and the heat effects coming off the pavement. Jump into Bathurst across the 2 games and you'll immediately see the difference. Speaking of pc2, way better sounds than ams2. And I'll argue all day that no sim has touched pc2's dirt physics which are criminally overlooked. Weird how bad ams2's rallycross cars are since it's based on pc2. I want ams2 to be good. It's ffb is some of the best. There's such a good core game there, but I find the glassy tires, poor sounds, and lackluster environments that I just don't feel immersed and enjoy driving it. I enjoy those other titles more, even though ams2 should beat them on paper. Time to check out 1.6 and see if they moved the needle.
@happilyaverageracer drove the update. Agreed on your video, probably the best balanced sim out there now. The tire model used to feel... Greasy? Like how fresh racing tires that haven't been scrubbed in feel, where initial bite and mid corner grip felt too slippy. The cars feel like you can put them into the corner with confidence now. I've always lamented how some driving sims make the top tier cars incredibly difficult to drive, when a competitive car is going to employ good settings to maximize grip and stability... In some sims, like raceroom, the Porsches can really feel too light in the front, despite big splitters. The update here really has cars feeling really good across the board. I still think raceroom beats it for sounds. As a touring car fanatic I also prefer raceroom content over the heavy open wheel content in ams2, would love to see the old fwd Brazilian stock cars make an appearance. Also, ams2 really benefits from applying an Nvidia post effect filter (alt+f3) to warm up and saturate the tones and sharpen details, but it is a really good looking game and the ffb is one of the best and now tires/physics to match. AI is fun to race too. I'll be splitting my time between raceroom, ams2, and wrc generations (with physics mod) now.
I totally get your argument tbh. RF2 will always be my fave, but even I have to admit it is dying, you increasingly can’t find a good race online anymore. I’m surprised how much I’ve enjoyed Raceroom races online the past couple of weeks (having never tried it before!) but it’s an old sim & it shows. ACC races are fun online, but only if you like GT2/3/4 cars. AC is fun but also showing its age, yes even with mods. AMS2 handling has improved so much, to me it doesn’t feel so different to AC or RF2 anymore, and I think it still has promise to improve further. I don’t think any other game is better for F1 (especially with skin mods!)
#1 easy to jump into driving sim goes to ams2. #1 low-budget/high-reward driving sim is AC. #1 racing sim is RaceRoom. Annnd #1 friend/fraternity simulator goes to iracing. 😆
Agree with the sound comments you make, i love older f1, the cars scared you, awesome, and i wish Reiza could get this on consle and make some real money. The sim/ simcade argument is a non starter here, its bloomin great fun to play, VR is spectacular..
I got the whole thing after feeling tired of iRacing.. i have so mixed feelings. On one hand i love how much you can drive and combos and all that.. but when i jump into my mclaren gt3 720s evo i feel soo slidy > which is confirmed by my simagic motors. ( set to rumble whem grip losing ) Lmp2 is amazing though.. I DONT KNOW
RF2 has a few cars that are ABSOLUTE GOLD STANDARD of driving pleasure, physics/FFB, but... majority of the content is all over the place, quality varies A LOT, whereas AMS2 is the most consistent in any class, FFB is almost sublime in 1.6v on default. Just MUST to turn down tyre volume to 25 and that's it.
That’s funny what you said about gamer muscle I was literally just thinking about that. Unless it’s AC he doesn’t like it. It’s too bad because he really is an entertaining guy and I would like his content if he wasn’t just an AC shill. And I like AC, and him I think he’s funny but with him it’s just blatantly biased.
I will not argue about what is the best overall, but I will say this: unless sim racers are willing to pay more than a few bucks for their sim racing software, none of the other sims will ever have the budget to get proper rain or damage simulation like in iRacing. You see the same development starting with LMU using subscription, simply to survive.
Can somebody explain how on the same high speed turn at Nord & spa my wheel will clip no matter what in ACC but in AMS2 I'm able to turn the gain up to my liking without any clipping?
Driving still floaty and I heard many others have complaint that's still the case as well. This game isn't ease of use to setup either as it wasn't recognizing wheels, pedals off the bat on first boot up.
What makes a great sim it is certainly subjective. AMS2 will just never appeal to me due to how the cars handle and react. For a pure jump on and drive I would pick LMU over any other sim. It’s better looking, better car/track details and handles substantially better and more connected driving experience when you compare apples to apples of GTE/LMDh/LMH content
@ tbh I probably won’t bother reinstalling it. Just from what I’ve seen of people driving it the cars still have the same behaviour and this excessive grip and floatiness. Let alone being able to run TC0 in the LMDh is just nonsense to me. From a driving point of view it doesn’t interest me but that’s just my opinion so it only has value to myself ☺️
@ I have no desire to when the cars can sail round sunset and not be disturbed by the significant bumps and still have excessive grip. I would stick to driving better LMDh/LMH/GT3 cars on LMU as my preference to racing is WEC cars
@@DavidJohnGibbons In other words, I can't prove I'm right. There's no evidence whatsoever that I'm right. However, even though I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm going to keep insisting that I'm right, even though I speak of things that I know nothing about and refuse to try. Because reasons
For me, the main problem with AMS2 is that the grip doesn't exist. If you do just one single race on Raceroom and then move do AMS2 you'll see the huge difference. All cars are loose and have massive understeer, there's some slides that happens out of nowhere in the middle of a corner... So, today for me, the best driving experience and feeling of the car on the track comes from Raceroom and Le Mans Ultimate. iRacing is the best on ovals... But AMS2 definitely has the best group of different cars.
@ I want to race the other cars, not just the new one. It doesn’t matter if the new car is good, the old Formulas are still awful.Also the new Audi GT3 is horrible…
@@BrunoMansano You say " the old Formulas are still awful." These are possibly the best cars to drive in all sim racing. Lets be honest here you don't even own AMS2 and if you do you have never driven most of the cars and certainly not the vintage or retro F1 cars.
It doesn't even remotely feel like driving a car. I'm really shocked by how many people call it great etc. Do you even feel tires being connected to the road? Maybe I'm doing something wrong?! It sucks, come on! 🤦
I can relate, it feels like you have to be extra cautious and careful with your inputs, and now even more so in the opening lap or two while tyres heat up. I feel tense driving the car throughout the race. Always afraid to push and drive hard. I am however going to give it time and try to master it and then draw a new conclusion. BTW i am using Moza R12 base and Fanatec Elite V2 pedals.
@happilyaverageracer the vase is DD PRO, I see you also use fanatec. I really don't get how someone can say it's even remotely good since 10 years old AC feels years ahead in terms of feel and physics.
Funny enough some simcades like PCars 3 and even Grid Legends are better in simulating a car as an actual physical object in space. I'd say even Grid Autosport on the Switch sometimes makes more intuitive sense compared to AMS2. AMS2 is really good at explaining through FFB what is happening and why, even when what's happening is pure nonsense.
Gamer Muscle probably still doesn't drive & he's trying oh so hard to attract the young crowd with his 'fanboy' obsession every time someone disagrees with him...his channel is tired & repetitive so I guess he's trying to come across as some kind of technical expert, which he demonstrably isn't. Your content is logical & based on your perceptions actually playing the sim, that's rare these days with all the inflated egos around :)
The build up of the tyre marbles during a race sold me.. hands down the best
The thing with asm2 is that it doesn't do one thing perfect but it does everything well enough. Its the most balanced and polished simrace experience I found to date. Even things like motion telemetry for motionrigs are far better than any other of the major simrace titles (For instance AC has terrible motion imo). Everything just works every time unlike most other simrace games where there is always that one thing that never works right.
The one annoyance I had with ams2 before this patch was the menu on triple screens having to go to outer edges to click "ok" but even that is fixed now 👌
Yes even on a single screen it was annoying to have to move the mouse all the way to the edge, glad they fixed that
No, the multiplayer server is just not good enough without a dedicated server.
I want to use AMS2 as the main sim for our league, its FFB and sim features are better, but so far our hopes are in ACEvo, because a league is by definition, multiplayer.
@NicolayGiraldo to be fair the p2p system 'should' be fixed in 1.6.
I'll get a good test tonight with GTL here in Oz. They have run dedi servers for the most part sure to the instability of p2p.
Let's just see if what reiza has promised will be delivered🤷
@@NicolayGiraldo Yeah not to be a jerk but I personally don't care about leagues and competitive racing. I'm whats called the immersive simracer. And from what I gather about ACEvo its more focused on the driving experience than anything else so i'm happy. 😅
Motion in AMS 2 is indeed very good out of the box. Made me enjoy this game again.
Yep, they've done a great job with this update. One thing not mentioned, and which unfortunately this video doesn't show, is just how well it performs (this video looks like it's running at 30fps).
I've just done a test:
48 car grid
Nordschleife
Time x20, Variable Weather
3440*1440 Resolution, 2 frame buffer
All settings on Ultra (or High if there's no Ultra option) except Motion Blur which is Off.
With V-Sync Off, it hovers around 180 to 200 FPS most of the time, dropping briefly (a second or two to ~110fps) at sunset/sunrise when the shadows are extremely long, and as it enters the Heavy Rain weather setting. Put V-Sync on and it just sits at 165fps, you still get the drops mentioned, but I had to just watch the frame counter to notice them.
Doing as close a comparison as I can, ACC delivers 70 to 110fps (though you can turn DLSS on to crank up the famerate if you don't mind the blur), iRacing 90 to 180fps, in both any frame drops are longer, and more noticeable. I can't do the same test in Raceroom (no night racing or weather), but that thing will sit at 200+fps during World War 3, so it wouldn't be fair anyway.
My two biggest gripes with AMS2 were the the vague handling and the cartoony shaders that made it look like a Nintendo game. Both have been dramatically improved with this patch. I think the new UI is shockingly bad, it looks like a bad website from the 90s, but I can live with that.
If more people played Raceroom, it'd be my go-to sim, but they don't. Now, if AMS2 takes off on LFM, I might finally ditch that iRacing sub...
Tested on:
165Hz 21:9 Monitor
i7-14700KF @3.4GHz
64GB DDR5 RAM
RTX 4080 Super
Games installed on NVME M.2 SSD
@Khumon_Matitz correct its 80-100 and I'm only capturing the "middle" part of my 49inch widescreen
@@happilyaverageracer I wish more youtubers would use ultra wide videos as i'm too have a 49" monitor 😏
Only thing with widescreen is it's hard to capture well in obs for streaming /recording
@@happilyaverageracer A lot of star citizen youtubers already have their videos in ultrawide as a lot of people playing star citizen have 34" ultrawides. 49" super ultrawide is still a rare bread unfortunately..
@HereBeDucks have fun buddy
AMS 2 is the greatest sim now
I totally agree
I'm not renewing my i racing account
I'm off to buy all AMS2 DLC
No more monthly subscription!!!
When 1.6 released i was like "hm, I think its the same bad but I will give it a try anuway"
And I was SHOCKED how good it is now!! For me it feels like a babily of iR and AC1 and I like everything so much) Reiza just made a super giant step in my opinion!
Only con for me, there is still no ferrari
@levs.7325 the alpine has a V6 at least !
I’ve always liked it because it runs well in VR, but this feels like a completely different game now.
The one thing that has always won me over in AMS2 is that it just works out of the box. Pick a car, track, racing type, weather, time and race. Dont have to worry about mods, shaders, ai driving lines. Ive been on the journey with AMS2 for awhile now. Felt the pain at times, but the support and determination but Reiza was always there, which is lacking in other sims.
Your video sums up my exact thoughts. Its 95% there, and it works out of the box. Best sim ever made.
Exactly 👆👆
yea its pretty darn good, when that career mode drops I might never leave..
Formula and prototype is stunning in AMS2
Best sim ever
I listened many reviews in french (french canadian here 😬) and English of course about version 1.6,
and I can say , yours is the more accurate and the closent to my opinion, thank you 👍🏼
100% agreed with you
Thank you 🙏🏻
I speak both language but i have the impression that French reviews are not very accurate and deep when it's about sim racing. I prefer sticking with english reviews for more accurate insight.
@ it depends on the reviewers but there are 2 or 3 very neutral and experimented ones (Franconen en autre)
@@actarusqc Yes Franconen is good.
for anyone who wants to improve feel, increase the ffb feel of the specific car you're driving to 115 percent, cars do not feel floaty as much, can properly feel them now.
One thing I don't like is how sensitive the breaks are on formula cars that have no ABS.... they need to fix this... I mean trail breaking in a modern formula car without locking is absolutely impossible so you pretty much opt to just engine break and lose time because otherwise you're destroying your tyres which makes no sense...
Overall great update... for GT3s you still need to go to ACC which feels better (which makes sense since it's a niche game about GT3 specifically) but overall this is what you need to be playing at least until AC Evo comes out.
Great job by the devs at Reiza... and to those that say that cars slide too much in AMS 2, you should go watch a professional high level driver and watch how they throw the car into every turn like maniacs and that the car doesn't spin just cause you throw it into the turn aggressively...
AMS2 is a realistic sim racing title and a very good at that... only one kind of car I would race elsewhere is GT3... although GT3s are also massively improved with 1.6 and if you don't have ACC AMS2 is still a fantastic race with GT3s, just 3-5% less realistic than ACC in my opinion... even though AMS2 setups are way more realistic than ACC's because if you put an ACC setup on a real car you'll be going ONLY to the barriers and certainly not reaching the end of the race...
VR looks great, my wheel works.
Good review John. I gravitate towards AMS2 because I do a fair bit of offline as well as online as when I just want to burn a few laps and have a giggle its quick to setup, the AI is decent and on my aging GTX1650 it still holds a steady 60 FPS with all options to high (not ultra). Do I wish it felt like Raceroom or rFactor2? Definitely, but the latest incarnation has got rid of my biggest gripe of pre 1.6, where you can just chuck it at a corner and gather it up by magic in the middle. I don't race a ton online but when I do its quick and easy and the peer to peer hosting is a simple "just works" solution. If online stability has improved like they hope then will be a big win. I'm there are tons of "game changing" physics going on, but I really only feel a huge different in corner entry which I think it what was largely broken before. Thanks for the heads up on the AI strength changes. I missed this in the change log and was trying to figure out how the AI had become OP when on same settings :)
Thanks Simon, good points there mate and hope to see you on track at GTL in the next few weeks👌
@@happilyaverageracer for sure :)
I basically agree. My favourite is still AC. I've been in computers all my long life and I actually enjoy experimenting with CSP and Pure. Also, let's not forget Content Manager which will never be beaten by anyone as the best UI, record keeper etc. etc. What I love about AMS2 is that the developers are a great bunch. They listen, they observe reactions and they keep working towards perfection with the tools at their disposal. The AI is really good, which is very important to people like me who don't like online racing. Out of the box graphics are the best, we expect AC EVO to be better but we will have to wait and see. Their range of tracks is excellent. All in all the best all round out of the box racing sim.
All good points there mate 👌
Thing I love about AMS2 I'd just how easily it runs on potatoes. Especially with VR. Very well optimised. I noticed that things like distant trees still looked great, but they were simply sprites. I heard they've updated visual things like that, so yet to try it after all the updates. But even on low settings, it still looked better than what I can get AC to do. Runs 100x better than ACC for VR 😅
Absolutely, I did mean to mention that in the video but I forgot 🤣🤣
Great review - I like your take on the sim
its not perfect - but no simulator is
but its got a lot of good stuff
PS love the odd socks - Your feet match AMS2 - a product of of parts
See you back on Monday nights soon mate!
I love the FFB of AMS2 compared to other sims. RaceRoom easily has the best sound but the FFB is lacking.
TBH it's not the best ... but none of the games are , and after 1.6 many problems have been sorted.
I will say the audio when watching a replay trackside is pretty amazing!
As for gamermuscle only AC is any good lol ... he's very opinionated and no ones elses matters ... still
i go on what is fun/immersive .
I enjoy LMU AMS2 ... the original AMS with the right car/track combo is still fantastic .. Raceroom is ok
but for me there is something missing in the 'feel' , but i do like it.
rF2 not played in a long time ... always felt incomplete ... still these are my opinions and other people choices
are not wrong !
I haven't driven the update yet, been enjoying all the unlocked content on raceroom that they're currently doing.
I loved ams1. So much I spent the $100 pre-ordering ams2 fully expanded when it was announced. But, it has glass tires, it never feels like you can really attack corners like raceroom, ams1, or pc2 allows for. Also, ams2 is pc2 based, but pc2 has better environments. The tracks are much more alive with spectators and banners and the heat effects coming off the pavement. Jump into Bathurst across the 2 games and you'll immediately see the difference.
Speaking of pc2, way better sounds than ams2. And I'll argue all day that no sim has touched pc2's dirt physics which are criminally overlooked. Weird how bad ams2's rallycross cars are since it's based on pc2.
I want ams2 to be good. It's ffb is some of the best. There's such a good core game there, but I find the glassy tires, poor sounds, and lackluster environments that I just don't feel immersed and enjoy driving it. I enjoy those other titles more, even though ams2 should beat them on paper. Time to check out 1.6 and see if they moved the needle.
Will be interested in what you think !
@happilyaverageracer drove the update. Agreed on your video, probably the best balanced sim out there now. The tire model used to feel... Greasy? Like how fresh racing tires that haven't been scrubbed in feel, where initial bite and mid corner grip felt too slippy. The cars feel like you can put them into the corner with confidence now. I've always lamented how some driving sims make the top tier cars incredibly difficult to drive, when a competitive car is going to employ good settings to maximize grip and stability... In some sims, like raceroom, the Porsches can really feel too light in the front, despite big splitters. The update here really has cars feeling really good across the board.
I still think raceroom beats it for sounds. As a touring car fanatic I also prefer raceroom content over the heavy open wheel content in ams2, would love to see the old fwd Brazilian stock cars make an appearance.
Also, ams2 really benefits from applying an Nvidia post effect filter (alt+f3) to warm up and saturate the tones and sharpen details, but it is a really good looking game and the ffb is one of the best and now tires/physics to match. AI is fun to race too. I'll be splitting my time between raceroom, ams2, and wrc generations (with physics mod) now.
I agree with you.
I totally get your argument tbh. RF2 will always be my fave, but even I have to admit it is dying, you increasingly can’t find a good race online anymore. I’m surprised how much I’ve enjoyed Raceroom races online the past couple of weeks (having never tried it before!) but it’s an old sim & it shows. ACC races are fun online, but only if you like GT2/3/4 cars. AC is fun but also showing its age, yes even with mods. AMS2 handling has improved so much, to me it doesn’t feel so different to AC or RF2 anymore, and I think it still has promise to improve further. I don’t think any other game is better for F1 (especially with skin mods!)
Thank you.
No worries!
#1 easy to jump into driving sim goes to ams2. #1 low-budget/high-reward driving sim is AC. #1 racing sim is RaceRoom. Annnd #1 friend/fraternity simulator goes to iracing. 😆
Agree with the sound comments you make, i love older f1, the cars scared you, awesome, and i wish Reiza could get this on consle and make some real money. The sim/ simcade argument is a non starter here, its bloomin great fun to play, VR is spectacular..
What app are you using to show the fuel usage and requirement?
It’s a sim hub app, I’ll try and find the link. Think it’s called ams2 fuel calculator but it obviously works with every sim
I got the whole thing after feeling tired of iRacing.. i have so mixed feelings. On one hand i love how much you can drive and combos and all that.. but when i jump into my mclaren gt3 720s evo i feel soo slidy > which is confirmed by my simagic motors. ( set to rumble whem grip losing )
Lmp2 is amazing though..
I DONT KNOW
RF2 has a few cars that are ABSOLUTE GOLD STANDARD of driving pleasure, physics/FFB, but... majority of the content is all over the place, quality varies A LOT, whereas AMS2 is the most consistent in any class, FFB is almost sublime in 1.6v on default. Just MUST to turn down tyre volume to 25 and that's it.
Quality is all over the place if you use mods, the offical S397 content is not a problem
Have you tried karts?
That’s funny what you said about gamer muscle I was literally just thinking about that. Unless it’s AC he doesn’t like it. It’s too bad because he really is an entertaining guy and I would like his content if he wasn’t just an AC shill. And I like AC, and him I think he’s funny but with him it’s just blatantly biased.
Yeah he can be quite entertaining actually
Every body on line playing now give it a month we'll see if people are still playing
I agree
I still prefer ACC but AMS2 is now definitely a close second. This patch was incredibly well done.
LMU is better imho
I think its better for endurance racing but I don't think it runs as smoothly.
Thats it all the gt3 fan boys go on ams2 brill, lol
I will not argue about what is the best overall, but I will say this: unless sim racers are willing to pay more than a few bucks for their sim racing software, none of the other sims will ever have the budget to get proper rain or damage simulation like in iRacing. You see the same development starting with LMU using subscription, simply to survive.
Can somebody explain how on the same high speed turn at Nord & spa my wheel will clip no matter what in ACC but in AMS2 I'm able to turn the gain up to my liking without any clipping?
Driving still floaty and I heard many others have complaint that's still the case as well. This game isn't ease of use to setup either as it wasn't recognizing wheels, pedals off the bat on first boot up.
What makes a great sim it is certainly subjective. AMS2 will just never appeal to me due to how the cars handle and react. For a pure jump on and drive I would pick LMU over any other sim. It’s better looking, better car/track details and handles substantially better and more connected driving experience when you compare apples to apples of GTE/LMDh/LMH content
Fair enough, have you tried the 1.6 yet though?
@ tbh I probably won’t bother reinstalling it. Just from what I’ve seen of people driving it the cars still have the same behaviour and this excessive grip and floatiness. Let alone being able to run TC0 in the LMDh is just nonsense to me. From a driving point of view it doesn’t interest me but that’s just my opinion so it only has value to myself ☺️
@@DavidJohnGibbons you seriously need to try it before you judge
@ I have no desire to when the cars can sail round sunset and not be disturbed by the significant bumps and still have excessive grip. I would stick to driving better LMDh/LMH/GT3 cars on LMU as my preference to racing is WEC cars
@@DavidJohnGibbons In other words, I can't prove I'm right. There's no evidence whatsoever that I'm right. However, even though I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm going to keep insisting that I'm right, even though I speak of things that I know nothing about and refuse to try. Because reasons
it is the best
Oh man you AMS2 fanboys like to gaslight each other
For me, the main problem with AMS2 is that the grip doesn't exist. If you do just one single race on Raceroom and then move do AMS2 you'll see the huge difference. All cars are loose and have massive understeer, there's some slides that happens out of nowhere in the middle of a corner... So, today for me, the best driving experience and feeling of the car on the track comes from Raceroom and Le Mans Ultimate. iRacing is the best on ovals... But AMS2 definitely has the best group of different cars.
@@BrunoMansano try an lmp2 on the new AMS2.
Nah. Grip is just fine for all the cars and tracks I drive in AMS2. Go race with GamerMuscle if it helps.
@ I want to race the other cars, not just the new one. It doesn’t matter if the new car is good, the old Formulas are still awful.Also the new Audi GT3 is horrible…
@@BrunoMansano agree to disagree I guess
@@BrunoMansano You say " the old Formulas are still awful." These are possibly the best cars to drive in all sim racing. Lets be honest here you don't even own AMS2 and if you do you have never driven most of the cars and certainly not the vintage or retro F1 cars.
I still don't think it's as good as Assetto Corsa or Raceroom.
Don’t compare toys with a tool.
People will always debate this and people always have their own opinions. I personally think it’s better.
It doesn't even remotely feel like driving a car. I'm really shocked by how many people call it great etc. Do you even feel tires being connected to the road? Maybe I'm doing something wrong?! It sucks, come on! 🤦
What wheelbase?
The response has been overwhelmingly positive so it could be equipment specific 🤷
I can relate, it feels like you have to be extra cautious and careful with your inputs, and now even more so in the opening lap or two while tyres heat up. I feel tense driving the car throughout the race. Always afraid to push and drive hard. I am however going to give it time and try to master it and then draw a new conclusion. BTW i am using Moza R12 base and Fanatec Elite V2 pedals.
@@maxparts_racing fanatec dd pro.
@happilyaverageracer the vase is DD PRO, I see you also use fanatec. I really don't get how someone can say it's even remotely good since 10 years old AC feels years ahead in terms of feel and physics.
meh. its more of a simcade than a sim to me.
Well, that's certainly an opinion right there......
@@happilyaverageracer he wins the booby prize for first person to say "Simcade", an altogether meaningless term meant to throw shade.
Funny enough some simcades like PCars 3 and even Grid Legends are better in simulating a car as an actual physical object in space. I'd say even Grid Autosport on the Switch sometimes makes more intuitive sense compared to AMS2. AMS2 is really good at explaining through FFB what is happening and why, even when what's happening is pure nonsense.
Simcade is a design choice and Reiza didn’t make that design choice. Lazy trolling get back under your bridge .
@@Gino_567 I will never understand the two extremes of blind love and blind hate for AMS 2
Gamer Muscle probably still doesn't drive & he's trying oh so hard to attract the young crowd with his 'fanboy' obsession every time someone disagrees with him...his channel is tired & repetitive so I guess he's trying to come across as some kind of technical expert, which he demonstrably isn't. Your content is logical & based on your perceptions actually playing the sim, that's rare these days with all the inflated egos around :)