Sony A7iv SUX at Real Estate Video
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Sony A7iv SUX at Real Estate Video
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Did you know that the base ISO in S-LOG 3 is 800 and 3200 and for S-Cinetone its 125 and 500? Try it out it works great. Also, for me, the crop doesn't bother me one bit. I use the Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM, so at the widest with a 1.5 crop I have 18mm, I little vignetting but its reality easy to fixed in post. Works great for photo and video for me, and never heard a complaint.
So would you just switch between 800 & 3200 for SLOG3 ?
What’s an application for s-cinetone as well ?
At this point it seems more of an issue with wanting a more video specialized camera than the a7IV not cutting it. If shooting the entire property at 60fps is a requirement for your workflow, and you're frequenting houses lit like dark age dungeons, just get the FX3 already. Makes 1000 times more sense than hanging on to the GH5s with completely different lens/accessory ecosystem. Grab the FX3 with GM 14mm, and be done with it. I've seen Brian Phelps' videos. See if he'd take a look at some of your RAW footage instead of the youtube video. Alternatively, play to the a7IV's strength. Use a mix of 30fps and 60fps, depending on the shot. Not everything needs 60fps. Keep that ISO at 3200(assuming we're talking low light). Add a few diffused LEDs with temp control to gimbal rig for fill light, to hit proper slog-3 exposure without moving over ISO 3200. Something seems off if GH5s is outperforming a properly exposed s-log 3 on a7IV that's sitting on one of it's native ISOs. This includes 4K60 crop.
A7s3? Besides the 4k 60/120 modes, it's got usable 1080.
What are your settings among the ISO, shutter speed, and aperture? Have you tried slapping on the 12-24 2.8 GM. Maybe it's the native lenses that do better
I have not tried that lens in particular, but the 10-18 is a native Sony lens specifically for the APSC system so I would assume it would be the best fit for the job and still encountered this issue. When shooting in 1080HD 60 with a full frame lens I get no vignetting and less noise, but its still there a little.
Hey Jeremy, love your content. Can you please make a video showing how to repurpose long property tour videos to RUclips shorts?
That would be great.
Hi, Jeremy. Great video. I am deciding of getting a new camera for real estate. Choosing between GH6 and Sony A7IV. Which one would you recomend? I am scared of low light perfomance. Perhaps any other model you could recomend? Thanks!
I would say it depends on what you're using it for. For photos I absolutely love this camera, it's my everyday shooter. For video it is my backup. If you are shooting big beautiful houses full of natural lights it will be great, but if you shoot a lot of darker houses with less lightning or lots of basements you might want to consider a different video rig. Like I said before , my GH5s still outperforms this camera for video unless I have talent in front of the lens and I need autofocus. That's the only time I choose the A7iv for real estate video work over the GH5s
@@jeremydeihl thanks for the reply. And what about GH6? Is there is a major difference between GH5 and GH6?😊
@@j5146 I don't have any personal experience with it so I would not feel right steering you in a direction I don't have first hand knowledge about. I know the GH6 is a great camera, but the G9ii would be my choice over those 2 personally
@@jeremydeihl Thanks! Will check it out.
I’ve heard log in low light can trip cameras up because they don’t use noise reduction-is that a thing and could that be the issue with the Sony?
I have heard that particularly from people that shoot with DJI drones trying to do night time hyperlapse because the grain is pretty bad in low light, but I can say I honestly don't know if it's true. I know one thing, shooting real estate videos with the A7sIII or FX3 looks 20x better than the A7iv and I have never had any issues shooting in low light with the VLOG from my GH5s. Great question though and if anyone else in the community knows if this is true, please let comment below this!
Yup. It's a great photo camera, and also solid in the oversampled full frame 4K modes, but that 4K60 crop mode is a bit junk.
Thats it right there, that crop mode is what kills it
I use S-Cinetone PP for low light situations on my A7iv and it works great. Anything above 3200 ISO in S-log 3 with this camera is too grainy in my opinion.
This is an interesting answer, why choose s-cinetone for low light? I am seriously interested becuase I thought that S-Cinetone had lowerew Native ISO then S-Log? but I agree either way once you start leaving those Native ISO's on the A7iv is where all the issues arrise.
@@jeremydeihl Lower 2nd native ISO, but you also aren't over exposing by ~1.3 - 2 stops like S-Log 3. Interesting take on S-cinetone though. I haven't tested myself. Forgot where I saw someone do a breakdown, but I think Standard profile has the least noise in low light / high iso situations.
The a7siii works great for real estate… photos and video obviously
I use the 12mm laowa zero-d and Sony 16-35 pz lens and I personally havent noticed the vignette problems or terrible low light, but could just be cause I wasn’t looking for it. I came from the a7iii so the 10bit and slog3 dual native iso has been a game changer for me
If I'm not mistaken the 12mm Zero D is a full frame lens right(I have that same lens for full frame Sony but don't know if they make an APSC version)? Do you shoot 4k60 on the A7iv or 1080HD60? The problem I encounter is when I try and shoot wide angle in APSC mode. The HD mode has less noise above 3500iso, but still in comparison to the GH5s there is really no comparison. It's not that the A7iv is horrible, it's that it's worse than every other cinema devoted camera. If you compare it to other hybrid shooters(like the a7iii you came from) it is def better, but compare it to an A7siii or fx3 it's complete trash in low light. I absolutely love this camera and use it ALL the time, the photos it takes are amazing, the video it creates when used at a native ISO is amazing, but once you start having to crank that ISO it's much harder to correct in post. Like I said, the GH5s is almost 5 years older than this camera and the video it produces is much much cleaner. So much so I had agents asking me why my videos looked so different(they were really asking me why my videos looked worse in as nice a way as possible), so luckily I did not sell me entire M4/3 system like I was about to. I switched back after 3 months of using the A7iv for my RE videos and I started getting messages from those same agents saying things like "I don't know what you did, but this video looks so much better than the last one you did for me!"
Once I started getting messages like that from multiple clients I knew I would never go back to using the A7iv for that kind of video work.
Yes, I use the 12mm with the 1.5 crop. That’s interesting to hear that agents could tell a difference. I thought about going the fx3 route, but it was hard to justify the extra $1000+ when all the videos about the a7iv release talked so highly about it’s low light performance.
I understand that totally! check out the response I wrote out for Brian's comment on this thread because I go into a little more detail about it all
It's also funny to me how every influencer just happened to mention that it is decent in low light in full frame mode but the APSC crop destroys it. the APSC crop makes the image 4x worse than it looks in HD 1080
@@jeremydeihl sad to say it, but I guess there is no benefit for influencers to be pointing out the negatives when they can profit off people buying the camera using their affiliate links. I bought mine from the wonderful people at southeastern camera.
a7s3 is cleaner at high iso's. But i got to say, i never run into noise issues with the homes i have shot so far with the A74, and ive pushed it pretty high. I do a mix of 4k30 and 60. Feel free to watch some of my videos i have on my channel, I'd love to hear your opinion. But i will say your 100% on with the vignette. I have it dialed in now in premiere and its an easy fix with my Laowa 9mm. Yes its just another step to do in editing but its not a big deal. I would love to see some of your a74 videos and see how much noise your getting with it.
I have a few videos I did with the A7iv on here (I used it exclusively for about 3 months for my real estate video work) so I have a few examples. Shooting in 4k30 is not near as bad as the noise in 4k60, but with my workflow for real estate in particular I prefer to shoot everything other than talking heads in 60fps. It's not as though the noise makes the camera unusable; it just requires more postproduction time, more noise reduction and sharpening, more vignetting issues all ending up with a video less sharp than it should be. I just find it way easier to use a camera designed for the purpose that I don’t have to do any of that extra postproduction work to. Sometimes I shoot 3 videos a day and have to turn all of them around by the next morning, why waste all that extra time and increase the rendering time of my videos, when I can just use the GH5s and not have to do any of that. It’s just not conducive to a good workflow for me personally, and when my clients notice that’s when I must really sit down and decide, should I keep shooting with this camera because it’s the newest one I own? Or do I continue using a camera that is almost 5 years old but does the job PERFECTLY with less work on my end. That’s where it became an easy choice. When shooting in light and bright rooms (like the majority of the shots from your two videos I watched: Real Estate Video Tour - Sony A7IV & Real Estate Video-Agent Walkthrough) the camera performs perfectly fine, but when I noticed it most on my end is when I started shooting properties with wine cellars and windowless basements with safe rooms. Rooms with no exterior lighting at all, just the house lights. That’s where I really put the A7iv through the tests and its where I discovered just how much better my old reliable GH5s was… And to think I almost sold my entire M4/3 system like 5 days before I discovered how bad the A7iv was performing in those low light rooms. I’m not trying to be a super Debby-Downer about it all and I’m not saying you should not use this camera because I still use it for lots of video work, especially stuff for autofocus or people on screen, I just make sure its something I can stick to one of those native ISO’s to do. I just think using something more suited for the purpose makes the shooting and editing experience much more enjoyable and less time consuming for me.
@@jeremydeihl oh your not being a debbie downer about anything. All cameras have their best use cases right? I originally got the A74 for my real estate and architecture photography work. Its an amazing photo camera like you said. But so far i have not had much of a noise problem with the camera. I also never use noise reduction on it. I also came from shooting nikon, the noise on those were sooo bad. Way worse then anything i have seen on my A74. But i do more photography then i do video. My clients who hire me for video are usually in higher end homes with lots of natural light and lighting fixtures. I have shot the A74 at 12800 in some cases in slog 3 at twilight inside a home and results havent been that bad. Here is a link if you want to see it.. ruclips.net/video/kpTDYiUoNp8/видео.html
But i agree with what you said. Why use a camera in one scenario where another one performs better for you. Keep doing what you do i love the channel. Happy new year!
Completely false. Lots of videos have shown the a7IV has less noise than a7siii in almost every level. Even 12800. I had both and the a7iv is clearly much better, and on top of that, much easier to use because you don't have to think about skipping 3200-10k iso. Sold my a7siii.
Now I have a7rV though
@@JamesWilliams-in3pyThis is a common misunderstanding. A7iii and a7iv are better than some cameras at really high isos like 12k, but not at lower like 1-4k. A7s3 (and s5) every day of the week.
but 8000 iso is so much, i never go above 3200
I use the A7iv for video so very interested in your thoughts.
I use this camera for all kinds of video work when it involves using studio lighting and have no issues. Stay to the dual native ISO's and you are good but once you start entering rooms with little to no light, it really performs horrible. So when I need autofocus or have a properly lit scene, I have no problems at all, but for real estate it's probably the worst video camera I have used yet
@@jeremydeihl I would completely agree with this. Luckily I haven’t run into very many situations with low light. And where I do, I use a noise reduction software.
Your videos actually got me to look into davinci resolve so I need to play the the noise reduction in that.
Saving up for a video specific camera that can handle low light situations like the Fx3
@@gamerbryanbtw6501 Davinci has been game changing for me so I can't recommend it more. You can learn on the free version and do almost everything but use the noise reduction on the free version
Why are you filming in 4k60p though? I find it is rarely ever necessary to not go for 24p
When I shoot on a slider I do shoot 24fps, but I like my gimbal movements to look like slow slides so that's why I slow down from 60fps. Plus i have issues with my old gimbal and slowing down helps with those old worn out motors. I love the camera and video it produces, just not for real estate.
So take it you’ve changed your mind again now? Your latest videos say how much you love the a7iv shooting in 60fps 1080p!?
Nope, still don't use it for real estate unless I have to but I do use it for all kinds of other shoots. The camera is just not great at low ambient light rooms. Still prefer the old GH5s for real estate videos and so do the clients I deliver them too. Not saying I never use it for real estate. If you have a nice house full of great light the camera will perform fine, but as soon as you start trying to film a small 1,300 sq ft house with a bathroom that has no windows you're going to encounter problems with the footage back at your editing rig. Houses with big huge basements, even worse. And again it's all just my personal opinion from my experience with the camera. Don't feel like you can't use it if that's what ya got.
I can 1000000% guarantee you aren't filming right. I noticed the same thing and that's because I wasnt shooting correctly. You aren't shooting bright enough :) I can tell in your log video it should be much much brighter.
Not gonna lie, I would love to know what I should be shooting at. The footage in my video was all shot overexposed to 1.7-2.0+ with zebras set and showing. I have even tried overexposing until the majority of whites are completely red they're so blown out and encountered the same issues. When I use the camera in regular house with lots of available natural light I have no problems, it's the super dark rooms, basements, and cellars I have issues with when using this camera. I do still use this camera for all my agent interviews or anything I am setting up lighting and showing people in. Not saying it's impossible to use for RE work, just saying from my personal experience working with multiple different cameras for RE video work there are like 20 better options and one of those seems to be my super old GH5s 🤣
@@jeremydeihl Hmm, well I shoot 93+ zeebra, and always push as bright as I can and recover everything later very easy.
I don't get any noise in mine at that point. When I 1.7 looking good on the lcd, it was definitely too noisy.
I also set my camera to screen average instead of multi which has given me a more accurate reading for RE
Zv-e1 is the answer to that problem 👍🏼
I have debated this but I have a sneaking suspicion a new video centric camera is coming soon, so at this point I'm holding out for that.