I used to make beats on a mpc 1000 and a triton LE (and other keyboards) and I would use the mpc seq (tracks) for both internal and keyboard sounds, then when finished I wld slave the mpc to pro tools and track the beat out, just rec each loop track by track into protools while they were synced. I would also mix in midi software instruments and live instruments. Now a days I'm trying to make the switch to a MIDI Controller and logic and for the last 2 years have been really liking it!
@@djskor hook up midi in/out cables or USB and then run a 1/4" out of mpc to interface. Go to mpc program _ midi _ set mpc to slave - then set logic to master so that logic controls playback of logic and mpc. Then mute all but one track at a time in mpc and hit rec in logic and rec your tracks/loops one at a time into tracks in logic. If u need more just search Track out beats from mpc to logic.
Sorry but this makes one MAJOR oversight: when recording the audio back you don’t set the input of the new track to the input channels from the interface because unless you will record with latency. The extremely instrument plug-in has the auto latency detection but that’s for round trip and doesn’t effect the interface inputs (which you want it to) So unless there’s an easier way what I do it just create an aux, send from the external instrument (midi) track to that in prefacer then create the audio track I want to print to and set its input as that aux this way the audio is perfectly synced up (though it may have been addressed in a later version I’m like one year behind with logic updates)
Thank you Adam S - this is exactly what I needed to learn. Solution without manual waves alignment! Logic can send external instrument sound to aux and then also record to a new audio track from that aux in real time with no delay.
Welp, yeah, I didn't really trust him as soon as he said he doesn't own any of his own external instruments or even an audio interface. I mean I appreciate that he tried to do the video but doesn't sound credible lol.
How the hell do u not own an interface or an external midi device? Lol I was like how? I know u know your stuff from watching this channel a while now, just kinda blows my mind. Did you used to own these and just sold or got rid of them? I cld def see you going deep on a triton studio or roland phantom back in the day! Both of which do just about everything I do in logic now a days, minus a screen, so wouldn't say it was better or anything.
This video has solved my problem!! Thank you Chris!! You have an open invitation to stay at my home if you ever visit Australia 🇦🇺. I learn so much from your channel. Great stuff mate!!!!
Nice & interesting video. An idea for an other video about external MIDI instruments: The MIDI sync, how to sync a old drum machine or an old "groove box"
THANK YOU Chris, just did this exact process for the first time with my rig, using a drum sequencer, a MOTU interface and an audio interface. Works flawlessly.
How to use preset sounds of any keypad Midi like say if I want to use Korg Kromes factory sound as Midi or Yamah mm6 factory sounds as Midi is it possible
Hi Chris - I couldn't find the link to the other tutorial you mentioned about a 'more complicated set-up. If I knew the title I could search on your website. Best wishes.
For those who haven't banged their head when using external synths with Logic, the reason this feature is cool is because... It used to be when recording external midi instruments (before this feature), you'd want to send the synth's audio outputs to an aux track, output that to a bus, and have an audio track get its input from the bus. The reason for that was Logic would apply audio latency compensation if you just recorded your synth directly into an audio track. Because there was no delay on the midi being sent, after the audio compensation Logic made, your hardware synth's audio would end up playing early. By recording into an aux track and outputting to a bus, Logic would not apply that latency compensation and your audio would appear as it should (which will probably be a single millisecond delay up to 20 depending on the Midi response of your external instrument). This was a serious pain-in-the-ass to figure out, was not at all intuitive, and tripped up a lot of people ( copy/paste from user "carbon" on gear space)
Hi! Don’t understand (2:50) why you don’t connect the MIDI usb directly to your Mac. Can’t you just send MIDI from the keyboard directly to the Mac through Usb and audio from keyboard-interface-Mac... The question is why you’re connecting the MIDI to the audio interface... is it at all necessary? BTW thanks for the video!
Hello! first of all thx for your very clear and helpful explanations... but the synthesizer im using is not being detected even after making sure it was properly turned on and that it was connected... can you please help me?
Here is a challenge for you. My external instrument is a Roland TD-11 electronic drum kit. It connects to Logic via USB cable and transmits and receives data. I play the drums and hear its module sounds (amazing acoustic sounds) and Logic records all midi notes to one track. I plat the one track in Logic and I hear the drums again because the midi notes in Logic trigger the sounds on the drum's brain. I arm an audio track in Logic and record the entire drums' sound to audio just like you did. The challenge is how do I record the sound of each drum to its own audio track in Logic? I want the kick on one track, the snare on its own track, the toms on another track, you get the idea, so I can EQ/Add effects to each drum separately. The drum brain only has one MIDI out, one USB (IN/OUT) and L/R 1/4 " outs.
If you want to audition (play) any keyboard sound without any midi, click the I button next to the R (record button) on your track. You don't need to setup an external midi channel this way, just an audio channel and click the R (record button)
Great video! I have a dinosaur Technics K1000 keyboard and got the same type cable (MIDI to USB) and tried using the keyboard (because it has a phenomenal - ahead-of-its-time Step Sequencer) to my Mac, trying to use that Sequencer for tracks, etc. in Logic - and . . . I get nothing. What's up with that? Is the keyboard itself just too out-of-date?
I gave up recording any direct or USB audio from ext instruments due to the delay.I just use analog out of the ext instruments..seems to lock better but occasionally it works..if I lower the Logic buffer down to 64..which of course wont work if you're running a heavily loaded session
I found myself slightly baffled when you said you had plugged the audio outputs of the Korg into the optical inputs on your Symphony interface. I figured that you must have an analogue to optical converter in there but it might be worth clarifying, maybe in a subtitle.
Strange that the Mute button does not actually mute the midi going to the external instrument like it did in this video. The track is greyed out like it should be muted, but the midi is still going to my external synth.... the only way I found to actually mute it was to turn off the External Inst plugin on the track.
Correct. I found the same. Mute doesn't stop the midi from being sent. But, open the mixer in logic and you can drag the fader to zero to prevent the audio playback.
I have the same usb interface and ID like to use it to trigger my mpc 1000 drum machine to start playback. Is there a way to do this? Where Logic tells the mpc to start playing?
I have recently switched to logic pro for audio recording and currently use a midi keyboard to make tracks. But I was wondering if I could setup my midi keyboard as a soundboard for when I record podcast for FX like claps or transitions?
You can, but each synth needs to be configured for specific midi channels, else they'll all play at the same time. Ex. Synth 1 - Midi Channel 1, Synth 2 - Midi Channel 2, etc. Most synths from 1995 onward accept all midi channels 1 - 16 and support multiple 'parts' That's where multi-timbral comes from. If you record midi on a logic track and send it to an external synth, and each of those synths accepts midi on Chl 1, they'll all play the same midi. That's what you're trying to prevent, if you want different synths to play different parts. I have an eMagic mt4 USB midi multi-port device with 4 different midi outs. In this way, I can send midi 1 - 16 to 4 different synths without concern.
I'm confused - you make it seem like recording the midi data and recording the sound source are two different performances. Is there not a way to record midi data and audio at the same time so they are the identical performance?
Yeah, that part was really confusing. It seems like he's doing (educated) guess work to line up the audio track with the midi regions above to make sure it's in time. I agree though, there really should be a way to record on both tracks with the same source. I would rather just keep using software instruments to make sure I could keep everything in time or just have the option to change the way that's it's quantized than get stuck fine-tuning things every time I had an idea.
Thanks for the useful tutorial! Here comes the question: How can I set up multiple external midi tracks(loading different sounds) with just one device? Or the only to do it is to recording audios for each sound?
I don't know if this applies but I have old Roland gear.A JV1080 synth module.I just use it for basic guide pianos etc.To record Midi and audio.To do what you want , I would have to set up a Performance Patch (within the device ) with up to 16 individual sounds ( channels).And then set up the External instrument tracks with a different Midi channel assigned to each Logic track.Ensuring that device is in Performance Mode.
@@StratsRUs Oh! You mean setting up multiple MIDI channels under one External MIDI track! That's a thought! I will try it out with my new arrived Moog Minitaur later sometime and I will let you know if that works or not. Thank you so so much for your generous help~~~Have a great weekends~
@@walkinbird I'm in the middle of this at the moment. I have a JV1080, 2 x Korg O1 (All 16 part Multitimbral) and a Novation Supernova. I would like to record Multitimbrally. It used to be very easy in Cubase which I used to use about 15 years ago.Apparently in Logic you have to go into the (dreaded) 'Environment- and set up profiles for each of your synths. I'm waiting 'til I have a a long quiet weekend to do that, but would love it if Chris could do a video explaining how.
Just assign each track a different midi channel in logic and the external instrument/instruments. Some externals will have the patch feature too which I'm not too skilled with lol.
When I record midi from an external piano it plays back fine but I have no control over the volume in logic pro x? If I record it to an audio track I then have volume control for mixing but why does it not work with the midi?
Some external synths will accept midi clock sync from Logic but many do not. Based on it's vintage, the Roland Juno 6 probably does not. With my Roland XP 30, I adjust the BPM manually navigating through the menu on the keyboard to match the BPM in Logic. I can't think of why you might need this- can you elaborate?
How would I go about assigning other sound patches from the external instrument? In the vid the midi triggers a default sound. Is there anything I can do within Logic to trigger different sounds in the external device?
Yes. You need to create a Multi-Instrument in Logic from the Open MIDI Environment with the midi channels, banks and patch names that match your external synth. This might help ruclips.net/video/nbJDVFL7Lwg/видео.html
I am so frustrated. I have a Nektar keyboard plugged into my iMac using Ventura OS 13.2. I'm brand new to Logic Pro X 10.7.4 I open a new project and choose software instrument and for the instrument I choose Empty Channel Strip. I press Create. I play my MIDI keyboard, no sound. I try using the Musical Typing keyboard, I get sound, but I want my Nektar keyboard to have sound. I can't find anything to account for this, but I'm new to Logic Pro. Please help! The frustrated hours are accumulating.
3 minutes in and I’m really confused. I’m trying to utilize an old Yamaha with my apogee duet. I bought the same exact cable system do you have in your hands with a mini In-N-Out 5 pin, with usb. Am I supposed to plug both 5 pin in and out into the old Yamaha, and the usb into the Apogee duet midi input (usb)? Or directly into the Mac? You seem to have said both without explaining. Also the old Yamaha psr500 only has one audio out, 1/4 inch so do I need a dongle to connect that to the apogee duets channel 1 and 2 audio in? And if so that would mean I need to have two tracks panned left and right?
sir ,thank you for the tutorial. excuse me , i have a question. when I use other preset midi instrument in logic pro, I always generate tow sounds from both the preset midi instrument and my external instrument. how can I avoid this situation.(for example, sometimes, i finished recording the pinao track then i wanted to add another drum track. but my drum track accompanied with the piano sound that literally bothered me) look forward to your response. thank you.
You might be hearing the external synth both from Logic Software monitoring and from your audio interface monitoring (or whatever you have the audio cables from your synth plugged into). You can test this by turning off Logic's software monitoring.
Great lesson, but I don’t know why you would want two tracks for same external instrument, midi and audio. I just record audio from my external keyboards.
Hi Chris, thank you so much for this (and indeed all your wonderful -succinct videos). I was hoping you'd get into addressing Multitimbral synths and Modules. I'm in the middle of this at the moment. I have a JV1080, 2 x Korg O1 (All 16 part Multitimbral) and a Novation Supernova(8 Part).....and a Motu 128. I would like to record Multitimbrally.This was the way we used to arrange back in the 90's when computer audio was only possible if you could afford the then revolutionary 'ProTools'. It used to be very easy in Cubase which I used to use about 15 years ago to assign different sounds to different Midi channels. .Apparently in Logic you have to go into the (dreaded) 'Environment- and set up profiles for each of your synths. I'm waiting 'til I have a a long quiet weekend to do that, but would love it if you could do a video explaining how to do this in the environment.
I switched from Cubase to Logic recently because Cubase does not have any USB/MIDI driver support for fMidi interfaces, it just uses the stand class compliant driver that is on Mac OS, however Logic does have a driver for Emagic Unitor 8 that works on Intel Macs, so I purchased couple of Unitor 8 for cheap and now I am sequencing all the external synths and drum machines in Midi , like we did in the 90s, the timing is tight because in Logic you have automatic Midi Delay Offset,which it calculates on each midi track, this is heaven sent, as in Cubase it is not automatic and you have to spend hours to get it to be tight. None of the Midi interfaces that have drivers provide tight timing, have spent the whole year trying out different ones. MOTU is not what it used to be in the 90s, but its driver works super tight with Digital Performer. In order for you to set up the way you want, you would create an several external midi tracks for say JV 1080 and put each track on different channel and within your JV you assign a midi channel for each sound you are using within the JV, in Multimode. Do the same with other external instruments and get couple of bars cycling and welcome back the 90s, once you happy you then print the files to audio simultaneously or track by track depending how many ins and outs you have on your audio interface, you can either monitor from a small mixing desk or through your audio interface software which should have zero latency. Hope that helps.
I'm having a big problem with MIDI feedback loops happening with my external synths. I'm using an old Unitor 8 interface so I don't know if that might be the problem. Is there a way within Logic to block the MIDI going back into the external synths? Thanks! :)
You could change the output midi channel from the inspector in Logic on the left (when you've selected the midi track). For example, if your external synth is receiving on Midi Ch 1, change the Logic midi output to midi channel 2. Then no midi is sent to your external synth. Another source for audio loops could be your Unitor 8. You might be hearing your synth through the audio interface monitoring, as well as Logic's software monitoring. If you're not sure how to control the Unitor 8 monitoring, turn off the Logic software monitoring. From the Logic menu, choose Logic | Settings | Audio | General tab - see check box for Software monitoring.
Anyone know how to find the notes of an external drum machine? I’ve recorded into Logic using ‘External MIDI Inst.’, and then opened up the Piano Roll for that channel.. The notes on the keyboard light up as each drum sounds but they don’t seem to correspond to the actual pitch of the drums.. As I change the pitch on the drum machine, the keys being triggered on the piano roll don’t change with the change of pitch on DM. This happens even before I record; the notes on piano roll get triggered but don’t correspond to DM changes. Anyone know how to link them? Would be nice to know notes of drums/perc, to tune other instruments to!
You need the manual for your external drum machine. There should be a section or appendix with the midi implementation. Then create a midi instrument within Logic | Window | Open MIDI Environment. Choose the Midi Inst layer and add a new Multi Instrument. Name it the same as your Drum Machine. Here you can control the bank and patch names. Either by typing in the names, or importing the patch names from a CVS or spreadsheet. Make this assignable and you'll be able to change the drum from the tracks within the main Logic arrange view. If this sounds a little complicated, it does take some work, but once it's setup you'll have full control of your drum machine from within Logic.
Logic doesn't seem to understand midi channels. I have an OB6 and a TR8s and it doesn't matter what I do they just play all the notes on each channel. I've tried 'Auto demix by channel' I've tried turning off the tr8s as a midi input. Its crazy.
A bunch of issues here that NO ONE will address.. first one is how to setup your synth for logic to recognize midi.. iv tried using midi studio on my Mac to create a new instrument.. but what boxes do we check ? IE.. transmits .. receives… features.. when I chose the Chanel my synth is set to it actually takes that Chanel out of logic when creating a midi track. Secondly iv been told many times my M audio air 192/14’s midi in and out will support daisy chained synths. Assigning each synths Chanel to their own number.. and setting the synth to be able to have “thru midi” so that each Chanel in logic will trigger the assigned synth.. if this is incorrect . If i absolutely need to buy a midi interface I need to know. Even with one single synth I cannot get logic or my mac to recognize my hardware synths midi.. audio no problem.. which actually brings me to my third problem. How do you stop your interface from producing sound from your synth as well as logic’s new audio Chanel from producing sound? This double sound is not accurate and when I turn “local off “ on my synth I can’t hear any sound what so ever.
Good point. These are all slightly complex issues with solutions, too long to address in a YT comment. I have a video that might get you started, or you can contact me from my YT channel ruclips.net/video/nbJDVFL7Lwg/видео.html
You can't tell me that we have to move the audio we recorded manually, that would make Logic the absolute worst DAW out there...What if I record pads? where's the transient in that? what if I have multiple drum machines and synths playing complex grooves, every millisecond counts. Can't be true, there has to be a way.
Well, you can obviously play your external synth and record it directly with logic pro. But in this case you will have only an audio track. This way makes possible to record the audio and midi both
Ventura does not have those interfaces so if you have Ventura this is obsolete. They've removed the items you are using to configure an external midi device in Ventura or they have moved it elsewhere so this video is useless unless you have the version this guy does & he hasn't said which version he's using.
Dang, you jibber jabber too much about unnecessary information. what value is it to the viewer where you got your synth and the mundane information you had to buy a interface. So wasteful of the viewers time.
There is absolutely no video on RUclips that demos how to install multi pad drum machines. I'm talking about drum machines like the DTX Multi 12. Zero. No videos. Also, there are no videos on how to map from Addictive Drums to multi drum pads. None.
For those who haven't banged their head when using external synths with Logic, the reason this feature is cool is because... It used to be when recording external midi instruments (before this feature), you'd want to send the synth's audio outputs to an aux track, output that to a bus, and have an audio track get its input from the bus. The reason for that was Logic would apply audio latency compensation if you just recorded your synth directly into an audio track. Because there was no delay on the midi being sent, after the audio compensation Logic made, your hardware synth's audio would end up playing early. By recording into an aux track and outputting to a bus, Logic would not apply that latency compensation and your audio would appear as it should (which will probably be a single millisecond delay up to 20 depending on the Midi response of your external instrument). This was a serious pain-in-the-ass to figure out, was not at all intuitive, and tripped up a lot of people ( copy/paste from user "carbon" on gear space)
oh my gosh i squealed when you used an audio recording track to record the external instrument track. exactly when i needed. THANK YOU!!
Thanks mate well taught.
I used to make beats on a mpc 1000 and a triton LE (and other keyboards) and I would use the mpc seq (tracks) for both internal and keyboard sounds, then when finished I wld slave the mpc to pro tools and track the beat out, just rec each loop track by track into protools while they were synced. I would also mix in midi software instruments and live instruments. Now a days I'm trying to make the switch to a MIDI Controller and logic and for the last 2 years have been really liking it!
How can I use the same usb interface from this video to have Logic trigger my mpc 1000 to start playing? I’m trying to track out my beats. Thanks
@@djskor hook up midi in/out cables or USB and then run a 1/4" out of mpc to interface. Go to mpc program _ midi _ set mpc to slave - then set logic to master so that logic controls playback of logic and mpc. Then mute all but one track at a time in mpc and hit rec in logic and rec your tracks/loops one at a time into tracks in logic. If u need more just search Track out beats from mpc to logic.
Perfect timing. I'm sharing a video this weekend on how you can use Bluetooth MIDI (Yamaha MD-BT01).
This is the video I was waiting for! 🙌🏼
Thanks for the info. So helpful.
Sorry but this makes one MAJOR oversight: when recording the audio back you don’t set the input of the new track to the input channels from the interface because unless you will record with latency. The extremely instrument plug-in has the auto latency detection but that’s for round trip and doesn’t effect the interface inputs (which you want it to)
So unless there’s an easier way what I do it just create an aux, send from the external instrument (midi) track to that in prefacer then create the audio track I want to print to and set its input as that aux this way the audio is perfectly synced up
(though it may have been addressed in a later version I’m like one year behind with logic updates)
Great tip. Wish you would have added it as a tip and not as critic.
Thank you Adam S - this is exactly what I needed to learn. Solution without manual waves alignment! Logic can send external instrument sound to aux and then also record to a new audio track from that aux in real time with no delay.
@Adam S What the heck means "prefacer" in this context?
Welp, yeah, I didn't really trust him as soon as he said he doesn't own any of his own external instruments or even an audio interface. I mean I appreciate that he tried to do the video but doesn't sound credible lol.
How the hell do u not own an interface or an external midi device? Lol I was like how? I know u know your stuff from watching this channel a while now, just kinda blows my mind. Did you used to own these and just sold or got rid of them? I cld def see you going deep on a triton studio or roland phantom back in the day! Both of which do just about everything I do in logic now a days, minus a screen, so wouldn't say it was better or anything.
This video has solved my problem!! Thank you Chris!! You have an open invitation to stay at my home if you ever visit Australia 🇦🇺. I learn so much from your channel.
Great stuff mate!!!!
Hi Chris this topic is great, can you talk about syncing hardware gear, exist very few information about syncing and send clock via midi, thanks
Clearly explained this. Thanks for this Mista Silver mustache!
Thanks Chris. I'm digging out my Pro 2 and putting it to work!
That was fantastic!!! Thank You I will revisit my Korg minilogue now and have fun.
Thank you. Actually explained it in much better detail than the other videos I watched.
Nice & interesting video.
An idea for an other video about external MIDI instruments: The MIDI sync, how to sync a old drum machine or an old "groove box"
Or a new Akai MPC groovebox
THANK YOU Chris, just did this exact process for the first time with my rig, using a drum sequencer, a MOTU interface and an audio interface. Works flawlessly.
Love you, mate. ❤
Perfect very helpful 🎧🎹
Excellent video, detailed and concise.
Nice teaching sir..
Muchas gracias, me ayudo mucho.
How to use preset sounds of any keypad Midi like say if I want to use Korg Kromes factory sound as Midi or Yamah mm6 factory sounds as Midi is it possible
Great video like always
Hi Chris - I couldn't find the link to the other tutorial you mentioned about a 'more complicated set-up. If I knew the title I could search on your website. Best wishes.
For those who haven't banged their head when using external synths with Logic, the reason this feature is cool is because...
It used to be when recording external midi instruments (before this feature), you'd want to send the synth's audio outputs to an aux track, output that to a bus, and have an audio track get its input from the bus.
The reason for that was Logic would apply audio latency compensation if you just recorded your synth directly into an audio track. Because there was no delay on the midi being sent, after the audio compensation Logic made, your hardware synth's audio would end up playing early.
By recording into an aux track and outputting to a bus, Logic would not apply that latency compensation and your audio would appear as it should (which will probably be a single millisecond delay up to 20 depending on the Midi response of your external instrument).
This was a serious pain-in-the-ass to figure out, was not at all intuitive, and tripped up a lot of people ( copy/paste from user "carbon" on gear space)
Amazing! Thank you so much.
Great video ! You did not talk about what you would do if your audio interface doesn’t have midi ports. My audio interface doesn’t have midi ports
He did. He showed the Mio connector which takes the MIDI from the external instrument into a USB port on your Mac or hub. It is what I use.
Hi! Don’t understand (2:50) why you don’t connect the MIDI usb directly to your Mac. Can’t you just send MIDI from the keyboard directly to the Mac through Usb and audio from keyboard-interface-Mac... The question is why you’re connecting the MIDI to the audio interface... is it at all necessary?
BTW thanks for the video!
Hello! first of all thx for your very clear and helpful explanations... but the synthesizer im using is not being detected even after making sure it was properly turned on and that it was connected... can you please help me?
Here is a challenge for you. My external instrument is a Roland TD-11 electronic drum kit. It connects to Logic via USB cable and transmits and receives data. I play the drums and hear its module sounds (amazing acoustic sounds) and Logic records all midi notes to one track. I plat the one track in Logic and I hear the drums again because the midi notes in Logic trigger the sounds on the drum's brain. I arm an audio track in Logic and record the entire drums' sound to audio just like you did.
The challenge is how do I record the sound of each drum to its own audio track in Logic? I want the kick on one track, the snare on its own track, the toms on another track, you get the idea, so I can EQ/Add effects to each drum separately. The drum brain only has one MIDI out, one USB (IN/OUT) and L/R 1/4 " outs.
If you want to audition (play) any keyboard sound without any midi, click the I button next to the R (record button) on your track. You don't need to setup an external midi channel this way, just an audio channel and click the R (record button)
Great video! I have a dinosaur Technics K1000 keyboard and got the same type cable (MIDI to USB) and tried using the keyboard (because it has a phenomenal - ahead-of-its-time Step Sequencer) to my Mac, trying to use that Sequencer for tracks, etc. in Logic - and . . . I get nothing. What's up with that? Is the keyboard itself just too out-of-date?
I gave up recording any direct or USB audio from ext instruments due to the delay.I just use analog out of the ext instruments..seems to lock better but occasionally it works..if I lower the Logic buffer down to 64..which of course wont work if you're running a heavily loaded session
The mustache really adds a certain je ne sais quoi to the tutorials
Could you show us how to use the ERM multi clock plugin to send an audio pulse the way they indicate on their lame website
MAn!!!! thank you!!! great information!!
I found myself slightly baffled when you said you had plugged the audio outputs of the Korg into the optical inputs on your Symphony interface. I figured that you must have an analogue to optical converter in there but it might be worth clarifying, maybe in a subtitle.
Strange that the Mute button does not actually mute the midi going to the external instrument like it did in this video. The track is greyed out like it should be muted, but the midi is still going to my external synth.... the only way I found to actually mute it was to turn off the External Inst plugin on the track.
Correct. I found the same. Mute doesn't stop the midi from being sent. But, open the mixer in logic and you can drag the fader to zero to prevent the audio playback.
I have the same usb interface and ID like to use it to trigger my mpc 1000 drum machine to start playback. Is there a way to do this? Where Logic tells the mpc to start playing?
Say I want to change the patch on the external synth ? How is this done within Logic so you can experiment with the onboard sounds, banks etc.
THANK YOU 😀
How did you know 5-6 were the optimal inputs for your device?
The audio input field shown at time 3:50 is greyed out and has "no input". Any tips?
I have recently switched to logic pro for audio recording and currently use a midi keyboard to make tracks. But I was wondering if I could setup my midi keyboard as a soundboard for when I record podcast for FX like claps or transitions?
Why cant you daisy chain multiple synths via midi?
You can, but each synth needs to be configured for specific midi channels, else they'll all play at the same time. Ex. Synth 1 - Midi Channel 1, Synth 2 - Midi Channel 2, etc. Most synths from 1995 onward accept all midi channels 1 - 16 and support multiple 'parts' That's where multi-timbral comes from. If you record midi on a logic track and send it to an external synth, and each of those synths accepts midi on Chl 1, they'll all play the same midi. That's what you're trying to prevent, if you want different synths to play different parts. I have an eMagic mt4 USB midi multi-port device with 4 different midi outs. In this way, I can send midi 1 - 16 to 4 different synths without concern.
How do I route a MIDI to audio track?
In the midi destination why would you select all? This is what confuses me about midi. Why not select a channel like 1,2 or 3 etc?
I'm confused - you make it seem like recording the midi data and recording the sound source are two different performances. Is there not a way to record midi data and audio at the same time so they are the identical performance?
Yeah, that part was really confusing. It seems like he's doing (educated) guess work to line up the audio track with the midi regions above to make sure it's in time. I agree though, there really should be a way to record on both tracks with the same source. I would rather just keep using software instruments to make sure I could keep everything in time or just have the option to change the way that's it's quantized than get stuck fine-tuning things every time I had an idea.
Thanks for the useful tutorial! Here comes the question: How can I set up multiple external midi tracks(loading different sounds) with just one device? Or the only to do it is to recording audios for each sound?
I don't know if this applies but I have old Roland gear.A JV1080 synth module.I just use it for basic guide pianos etc.To record Midi and audio.To do what you want , I would have to set up a Performance Patch (within the device ) with up to 16 individual sounds ( channels).And then set up the External instrument tracks with a different Midi channel assigned to each Logic track.Ensuring that device is in Performance Mode.
@@StratsRUs Oh! You mean setting up multiple MIDI channels under one External MIDI track! That's a thought! I will try it out with my new arrived Moog Minitaur later sometime and I will let you know if that works or not. Thank you so so much for your generous help~~~Have a great weekends~
@@walkinbird That's a bass synth.I think it's best you look at the manual.It has USB as well as MIDI.I was thinking you meant a Multi-Timbral device.
@@walkinbird I'm in the middle of this at the moment. I have a JV1080, 2 x Korg O1 (All 16 part Multitimbral) and a Novation Supernova. I would like to record Multitimbrally. It used to be very easy in Cubase which I used to use about 15 years ago.Apparently in Logic you have to go into the (dreaded) 'Environment- and set up profiles for each of your synths. I'm waiting 'til I have a a long quiet weekend to do that, but would love it if Chris could do a video explaining how.
Just assign each track a different midi channel in logic and the external instrument/instruments. Some externals will have the patch feature too which I'm not too skilled with lol.
Thank you.
When I record midi from an external piano it plays back fine but I have no control over the volume in logic pro x? If I record it to an audio track I then have volume control for mixing but why does it not work with the midi?
hey i need some help!
what if i have some wav files that i want to use as patches.
is that compatible with these midi tracks?
But how do you sync a NON MIDI keyboard (e.g Juno-6) to the beat of the composition using the audio interface (Scarlett)?
Some external synths will accept midi clock sync from Logic but many do not. Based on it's vintage, the Roland Juno 6 probably does not. With my Roland XP 30, I adjust the BPM manually navigating through the menu on the keyboard to match the BPM in Logic. I can't think of why you might need this- can you elaborate?
why cant i bounce the audio when using my ipad as an external instrument in logic?
How would I go about assigning other sound patches from the external instrument? In the vid the midi triggers a default sound. Is there anything I can do within Logic to trigger different sounds in the external device?
Yes. You need to create a Multi-Instrument in Logic from the Open MIDI Environment with the midi channels, banks and patch names that match your external synth. This might help ruclips.net/video/nbJDVFL7Lwg/видео.html
I am so frustrated. I have a Nektar keyboard plugged into my iMac using Ventura OS 13.2. I'm brand new to Logic Pro X 10.7.4 I open a new project and choose software instrument and for the instrument I choose Empty Channel Strip. I press Create. I play my MIDI keyboard, no sound. I try using the Musical Typing keyboard, I get sound, but I want my Nektar keyboard to have sound. I can't find anything to account for this, but I'm new to Logic Pro. Please help! The frustrated hours are accumulating.
3 minutes in and I’m really confused. I’m trying to utilize an old Yamaha with my apogee duet. I bought the same exact cable system do you have in your hands with a mini In-N-Out 5 pin, with usb. Am I supposed to plug both 5 pin in and out into the old Yamaha, and the usb into the Apogee duet midi input (usb)? Or directly into the Mac? You seem to have said both without explaining. Also the old Yamaha psr500 only has one audio out, 1/4 inch so do I need a dongle to connect that to the apogee duets channel 1 and 2 audio in? And if so that would mean I need to have two tracks panned left and right?
If the Yamaha has no "Midi In" port, it cannot accept midi info from Logic, unfortunately.
sir ,thank you for the tutorial. excuse me , i have a question. when I use other preset midi instrument in logic pro, I always generate tow sounds from both the preset midi instrument and my external instrument. how can I avoid this situation.(for example, sometimes, i finished recording the pinao track then i wanted to add another drum track. but my drum track accompanied with the piano sound that literally bothered me) look forward to your response. thank you.
You might be hearing the external synth both from Logic Software monitoring and from your audio interface monitoring (or whatever you have the audio cables from your synth plugged into). You can test this by turning off Logic's software monitoring.
Great lesson, but I don’t know why you would want two tracks for same external instrument, midi and audio. I just record audio from my external keyboards.
MIDI is easier to quantize or do modifications than audio
But when i bounce ..the audio not playing
Hi Chris, thank you so much for this (and indeed all your wonderful -succinct videos). I was hoping you'd get into addressing Multitimbral synths and Modules. I'm in the middle of this at the moment. I have a JV1080, 2 x Korg O1 (All 16 part Multitimbral) and a Novation Supernova(8 Part).....and a Motu 128. I would like to record Multitimbrally.This was the way we used to arrange back in the 90's when computer audio was only possible if you could afford the then revolutionary 'ProTools'. It used to be very easy in Cubase which I used to use about 15 years ago to assign different sounds to different Midi channels. .Apparently in Logic you have to go into the (dreaded) 'Environment- and set up profiles for each of your synths. I'm waiting 'til I have a a long quiet weekend to do that, but would love it if you could do a video explaining how to do this in the environment.
I switched from Cubase to Logic recently because Cubase does not have any USB/MIDI driver support for fMidi interfaces, it just uses the stand class compliant driver that is on Mac OS, however Logic does have a driver for Emagic Unitor 8 that works on Intel Macs, so I purchased couple of Unitor 8 for cheap and now I am sequencing all the external synths and drum machines in Midi , like we did in the 90s, the timing is tight because in Logic you have automatic Midi Delay Offset,which it calculates on each midi track, this is heaven sent, as in Cubase it is not automatic and you have to spend hours to get it to be tight. None of the Midi interfaces that have drivers provide tight timing, have spent the whole year trying out different ones. MOTU is not what it used to be in the 90s, but its driver works super tight with Digital Performer. In order for you to set up the way you want, you would create an several external midi tracks for say JV 1080 and put each track on different channel and within your JV you assign a midi channel for each sound you are using within the JV, in Multimode.
Do the same with other external instruments and get couple of bars cycling and welcome back the 90s, once you happy you then print the files to audio simultaneously or track by track depending how many ins and outs you have on your audio interface, you can either monitor from a small mixing desk or through your audio interface software which should have zero latency.
Hope that helps.
@@PylonRecordsdotcom Thank you so much Pylon Records. I'll give it a try.
Cheers man
I'm having a big problem with MIDI feedback loops happening with my external synths. I'm using an old Unitor 8 interface so I don't know if that might be the problem. Is there a way within Logic to block the MIDI going back into the external synths? Thanks! :)
You could change the output midi channel from the inspector in Logic on the left (when you've selected the midi track). For example, if your external synth is receiving on Midi Ch 1, change the Logic midi output to midi channel 2. Then no midi is sent to your external synth. Another source for audio loops could be your Unitor 8. You might be hearing your synth through the audio interface monitoring, as well as Logic's software monitoring. If you're not sure how to control the Unitor 8 monitoring, turn off the Logic software monitoring. From the Logic menu, choose Logic | Settings | Audio | General tab - see check box for Software monitoring.
which midi keyboard best for logic Pro x
Chris has another video on that subject. The Novation Launchkey MK3 series is very good wth Logic, as well as the NI Kontrol M32.
@@JeffyG I can attest to the launchkey love mine its cheap and cheerful and practical.
Anyone know how to find the notes of an external drum machine?
I’ve recorded into Logic using ‘External MIDI Inst.’, and then opened up the Piano Roll for that channel.. The notes on the keyboard light up as each drum sounds but they don’t seem to correspond to the actual pitch of the drums.. As I change the pitch on the drum machine, the keys being triggered on the piano roll don’t change with the change of pitch on DM. This happens even before I record; the notes on piano roll get triggered but don’t correspond to DM changes. Anyone know how to link them? Would be nice to know notes of drums/perc, to tune other instruments to!
You need the manual for your external drum machine. There should be a section or appendix with the midi implementation. Then create a midi instrument within Logic | Window | Open MIDI Environment. Choose the Midi Inst layer and add a new Multi Instrument. Name it the same as your Drum Machine. Here you can control the bank and patch names. Either by typing in the names, or importing the patch names from a CVS or spreadsheet. Make this assignable and you'll be able to change the drum from the tracks within the main Logic arrange view. If this sounds a little complicated, it does take some work, but once it's setup you'll have full control of your drum machine from within Logic.
im so confused, why do you need to do all that if you have a midi to usb cable... i mean you just plug it in and go!
Im wondering the same thing right now.
Logic doesn't seem to understand midi channels. I have an OB6 and a TR8s and it doesn't matter what I do they just play all the notes on each channel. I've tried 'Auto demix by channel' I've tried turning off the tr8s as a midi input. Its crazy.
A bunch of issues here that NO ONE will address.. first one is how to setup your synth for logic to recognize midi.. iv tried using midi studio on my Mac to create a new instrument.. but what boxes do we check ? IE.. transmits .. receives… features.. when I chose the Chanel my synth is set to it actually takes that Chanel out of logic when creating a midi track. Secondly iv been told many times my M audio air 192/14’s midi in and out will support daisy chained synths. Assigning each synths Chanel to their own number.. and setting the synth to be able to have “thru midi” so that each Chanel in logic will trigger the assigned synth.. if this is incorrect . If i absolutely need to buy a midi interface I need to know. Even with one single synth I cannot get logic or my mac to recognize my hardware synths midi.. audio no problem.. which actually brings me to my third problem. How do you stop your interface from producing sound from your synth as well as logic’s new audio Chanel from producing sound? This double sound is not accurate and when I turn “local off “ on my synth I can’t hear any sound what so ever.
Good point. These are all slightly complex issues with solutions, too long to address in a YT comment. I have a video that might get you started, or you can contact me from my YT channel ruclips.net/video/nbJDVFL7Lwg/видео.html
You can't tell me that we have to move the audio we recorded manually, that would make Logic the absolute worst DAW out there...What if I record pads? where's the transient in that? what if I have multiple drum machines and synths playing complex grooves, every millisecond counts. Can't be true, there has to be a way.
Did you find the way?
@@juanmanueltellechea4981 no, but qi found.out there isn't à way to be 100% accurate in audio recordings and Logic is a terrible DAW
Sadly, my Logic is just not behaving this way. I have tried this over and over. I know I followed all instructions correctly. I am at a loss. :(
me too i think its the new update or smthing
hah, I have been holding off on external gear, thinking it would require a hardware mixer 🤦♂
I can’t do it 🥵
way too complex for a simple problem.
Well, you can obviously play your external synth and record it directly with logic pro. But in this case you will have only an audio track. This way makes possible to record the audio and midi both
Ventura does not have those interfaces so if you have Ventura this is obsolete. They've removed the items you are using to configure an external midi device in Ventura or they have moved it elsewhere so this video is useless unless you have the version this guy does & he hasn't said which version he's using.
I watched the whole video so see how to set latency in setting NOT MOVE AUDIO :( WASTE OF TIME
Much too complicated
Dang, you jibber jabber too much about unnecessary information. what value is it to the viewer where you got your synth and the mundane information you had to buy a interface. So wasteful of the viewers time.
There is absolutely no video on RUclips that demos how to install multi pad drum machines. I'm talking about drum machines like the DTX Multi 12. Zero. No videos. Also, there are no videos on how to map from Addictive Drums to multi drum pads. None.
For those who haven't banged their head when using external synths with Logic, the reason this feature is cool is because...
It used to be when recording external midi instruments (before this feature), you'd want to send the synth's audio outputs to an aux track, output that to a bus, and have an audio track get its input from the bus.
The reason for that was Logic would apply audio latency compensation if you just recorded your synth directly into an audio track. Because there was no delay on the midi being sent, after the audio compensation Logic made, your hardware synth's audio would end up playing early.
By recording into an aux track and outputting to a bus, Logic would not apply that latency compensation and your audio would appear as it should (which will probably be a single millisecond delay up to 20 depending on the Midi response of your external instrument).
This was a serious pain-in-the-ass to figure out, was not at all intuitive, and tripped up a lot of people ( copy/paste from user "carbon" on gear space)
Thank you so much for this useful video!
Thank you!