"Is The Mathews Hype Real?" MFJJ x Tim Connor
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2023
- "Is The Mathews Hype Real?" MFJJ x Tim Connor - Welcome to the Fireside Chat Podcast MFJJ of @podiumarcher3447 and @TimConnor13 hang out and chat all things archery, on this episode we talk about the launch of the 2024 bow lineups and the marketing involved behind it. We discuss marketing campaigns in-depth, sponsorships, and other details from the 2024 bow launch campaign #archery #podcast
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I’m calling it now - y’all’s content is about to explode. Each channel. The information is there. The trust is there and the algorithm is about to swing to your side! Keep going!
The best woman shooter in the world runs a Darton. She ran a Hoyt before a Darton, and she was/is the best with Hoyt and now Darton. The best 3D woman shooter in the world runs a Bowtech. The only point being it is mostly about the shooter, not the bow brand, most bows will outshoot the person all day long. Go with what you like!
It’s all about the archer 👍😁 all the other stuff is personal preference ,tuning the equipment to your style and budget. All the manufacturers make great bows and bows are at max efficiency & have been for at least the last decade. I think the most important thing is to get good with what you have and stick with it for at 3-5 years,not changing every 10-12 months,but that’s an unpopular opinion. Enjoy archery 🏹 and have fun with whatever style of archery you enjoy 😉👍😁🎯❤️
Great pod guys really enjoyed the discussion. I didn’t wait around and was the 2nd person at my local shop to walk out with a lift. Shot Hoyt the last 8 years, but that Mathew’s really held and shot well for me.
This is my new addiction, listing to you guys. Ive have been going down a bunch of rabbit holes because of your podcast and dan. Love the podcast and wish i lived closer!
I love your podcast, listen to it every week! Keep up the strong work and thanks for pushing the Archery manufactures and community to be better!
Look forward to every week's video. Keep them coming!
I'm not a Mathews fan but even I have to admit they did a great job this year.
Hi Toby. I’m Toby. Nice to meet ya
Unbiased truth is why I watch your channels! Keep it up, I have learned a lot watching you both!
Really enjoy all the content guys. Keep it rollin!!
Interesting discussion on who draws more sales to a company.
I’m a west coast/mountain hunter, but we forget about Midwest and east coasters and how many people they influence in these discussions.
Interesting that Seek One has 2x the number of RUclips subs as Cam, 2.5x Chris Bee, nearly 4x Dudley, and more than 10x Levi Morgan.
And Hunting Public has way more than those guys too.
I get YT numbers isn’t everything. And Seek One and Hunting Public are “teams,” but they have way more hunting impact (and likely bow sales-even if they don’t sponsor than they got credit for.
And I didn’t give any credit to LIFT until this discussion. Because of who was bought and who was not.
Man, the Bear line up is getting stronger and it's good to see. Price to performance also needs to be a goal! Thanks for the tldr 👌👌
Mathews and Hoyt are awesome bows. Can't go wrong with either. Great content.
I just upgraded from an Athens Revelation to a Hoyt VTM 34 and I’m so happy with it. I struggled choosing between a Phase 4 and a VTM but the Hoyt had the smoother draw and that was more important to me
I have the VTM 31 and you just can't beat the draw cycle. Not to mention the bow has decent speed.
Your exactly right almost if not all bow company's make great bows. It's about what's right for you
yet another great podcast, good info great conversations and topics, keep it going fella's
I appreciate what you guys do. Keep at it. Thank you. Great podcast.
great talk guys. Looking forward to more
never could get into podcasts but I listen to yours non stop keep up the great work
The reviews from bow shops is where it is at. Also local bow shop techs. Shooting every line you can if you buy or not gives you the best feedback and experience.
Josh, dude I’ve been looking everywhere for a Mathews quiver in Earth. Saw this podcast and placed my order. Thank you for keeping stuff stocked. Will be ordering some bridgelock stabs here soon. Thanks man
Awesome! Thank you!
I think I'd buy for them before my semi local pro shop as he is saying he will shim ( or whatever method that bow uses ) the cams, they acted like I was crazy....
Outstanding Podcast. Two things. One is MFJJ’s opinion on equipment is number one thing I look for before buying anything. 30+ years in the industry is good enough for me. Two Levi Morgan is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I am fortunate enough to live close by and have interacted with him on numerous times and he is a class act!
You can definitely do it with your resources. I bought my bow Wednesday night at 6pm. My shop put rest Mx-2, HHA Tetra Ryz, and G5 peep in. I went there at 11am the next morning after I went to work and we paper tuned it. We had to move the top hats but within 15 minutes we were shooting bullet holes. I left there and came home and sighted it in at 20. I don’t have a place to shoot 60 (tetra site in procedure) so I went to my buddies shop and we set up a 60 yd shot. Literally by Thursday night- 24 hours later I had my new tape on and was shooting 1” dots at 20/30/40/50. You could do it in 12 hours. BTW thanks for the SCS system I bought from you.
You sure make me glad I grabbed the new lift 29.5 from my local dealer. Was able to be the first one they sold it too which is kind of cool also
I love that mentality Josh. I never order bows Im way too impatient. Im in new york and could drive to lancaster (5h) but found a lift 33 locally in earth and bought it. Would love to have a shop like yours or lancaster locally.
Great job guys love the content!
Damn, I bought a Phase 4 thinking it might be the last bow I bought for a really long time, and then I saw the LIFT on release day 3 months after my purchase. Talk about feeling like you just bought a second rate product after the ink on the check barely dried.
As for the pod, Tim you always have relevant questions, and MFJJ, I just love that you haven't sold out. You both are so correct, there are very few places left that you can get an unfiltered and honest reviews. The fact that you do it with some personality, is awesome.
That's rough there man, sorry
😂 Josh and Tim are hilarious. I understand what Tim was trying to say Cam reaches a broad spectrum of folks vs Bee/Morgan. But he’s by far the most influential out of those mentioned.
Plus he brings Joe Rogan into the mix and sets up Hoyts for him, SO they almost get 2 for 1 on that...
Still my favorite Podcast of all time. And I watch Salty Cracker and Dan Bongino religiously too. Keep up the awesome work gentlemen. 🤘🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘🏼
MFJJ on your phase 4 33 video from last year, 80 and 85% had the same speed.
It’s a completely different cam system
Very,Very good podcast.
Been here from the start. I'm not going to lie, I thought I would get bored of these after a video or two.
Now you can catch me waking up and watching MFJJ and Tim every Monday.
You two have a cool friendship, love seeing you guys interact.
Thanks for doing this for us true archery nerds... Happy Holidays ✌️
Great conversation guys! Wish I was in on this discussion, so many great topics here.
As always, awesome insights!!!
Good podcast…Lucky Shot Archery in Chehalis, WA will have just over 100 lifts by January also!!
Excellent content guys. Gives us here, living over the pond in Europe, a good picture about the market in the US. Of course having been a subscriber already before watching... 😉
This was the best pod to date. Stepping into the nitty gritty. Tim was scared but MFJJ DGAF!
lol. thats why he's called MF Josh jones
@@Ben-kt1rb yes, and for that reason alone he gets my respect.
Getting the most from a bow in stored energy - the LIFT sets a new archery standard - no carbon riser bow really can compare, ...yet. Problem with carbon is the tolerances from shrink during the baking and cooling process while trying to preserve straightness tolerances so the risers fit the limb pockets as exactly designed. Torque from an off set cable guard has been known to pull the bowstring to the side (lateral deflection) with certain models / or occasionally get crunched in a bow press by accident. Carbon riser bows have future potential (not yet ready at an affordable price) to make archery equipment next level.
We never made a carbon riser bow at CSS so I hand drilled out a riser as a prototype that we called the Swiss cheese bow and I made the top half of the riser weigh much less than below the grip for a short hunting bow. Chuck shot the bow while wearing a football helmet ... amazing to see how much bows have changed in just 20 years.
I love archery so much, I know your market is all hunting but I’d love to hear some talk on 3D/Target
I bought my Mathews after watching Chris Bee. I love his videos. And yours of course! 😊
Great episode. Subscribed.
Just bought a mathews LIFT 33 at SVA today. Michael was awesome.
My son and I currently run the following brands of bows........Bear, Prime, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech. So, we are not biased at all. All brands have pros and cons and it is a personal choice for sure. It is a crack up to watch all of the comparisons every year when the new bows are released. Great entertainment for sure.
The reality is, most people do have a bias even if they think they don't. Just human nature to argue for something you believe in. That is all good. But, if we are grounded in reality and look at facts....it can get uncomfortable. For example, this year, Hoyt made more positive changes to their bow than Mathews did. Hoyt changes this year include:
New riser (Alpha X)
New limbs
New limb pockets
New cam
75-85% let of on the cam
Different backwall settings on the cam
1/4" draw adjustment on the cam
New strings
New bow stand
Quiver can now attach closer to the riser than before
New colors/camo options
Same price as 2022
Mathews made many changes as well, but they did not make more than Hoyt. So just be honest about that. Hoyt came to the table with massive changes to their flagships. Mathews is much more strategic than Hoyt with marketing and they spend more money on marketing. Which is also just fine. Lots of great choices, and also great to see Darton and Athens starting to shake up the industry a bit too..........
The fact that you took time out of your life to type this novel. Shows how offended you are that they aren’t, talking about Hoyt. Mathews is tops in the archery industry. Your reality is just an opinion. And we all have one. Mine is that hoyts are clunky and ugly. Owned a couple, never again. Athens and Darton aren’t shaking up anything. They have came and gone before, they will go again.
@@jasonbarnes3188 the fact that you keep commenting on everyone’s post says that you keep getting offended by every post that says anything negative about Mathews.
@jasonbarnes3188 doesn't Darton own the compound bow patent? I'm gonna look it up... cause I feel like they've been around for a lifetime and then some. And if longevity is the factor in quality than I suppose Hoyt, PSE and Bear are the best? I guess you're on to something!
Your reality is just an opinion. @@jasonbarnes3188
Exactly. This Jason Barnes guy is a real clown. Darton owns most of the patents that other bow companies and they get a huge royalty every day, all day, when other companies sell bows. @@TheArrowsEdge
Hunting success. Lee and tiff
43:17 I love the conversation about Mathews vs other company GTM strategy and sales teams. That's a challenge I'd love to help a company in this space solve to free up capital for reinvestment while still taking care of customers (shops). It's absolutely solveable and comes down to willingness to focus on the company's long term upside. I envy whoever takes this on.
Thank you for this. I was hoping you would scan the wall so we could all see the bows that had Joel so enamored. I've been watching a ton of videos with Joel and love his advice. I didn't know about his on line class so I will be checking it out along with that new release. I definitely need the help to break my habits of punching the release.. Thanks again and I can't wait to get back over to your shop in Spokane and shoot your course. I was able to visit for a few minutes a few weeks ago. I had your team make me some arrows. They turned out great.
Sensitive and Spicy Feelings.
Where's the online appointment set up to have MFJJ level, time, tune a bow I bring from Canada and drive 8hr for the magical bow blessings? Take my money.
Nicely done
I'll be in this week to upgrade, as long as you have the quantity.
I picked up a used trx38 G2 this past spring - I thought this was the most honest back walled bow but expected it because it's a target bow. I then pick up my lift 33 last week and I think the wall and draw keeps me even more honest than the TRX. The lifts riser is longer than the TRX and at release, the Lift feels like more of a surprise shot. Might be offloading the TRX 38 and getting a 2nd lift exclusively for 3D and indoor. As stated, the hype is real.
Mathew could have the market if they could get rid of shimms/spacers and make a move on bowtech direction
Interesting listen
You should do a review on the Apa black mamba.
I came in to see ya the other day but you were out hunting.😢 lol but did shoot the Mathew’s and Hoyt . And with my bad wing the Hoyt was smoother but was 65lbs compared to the Mathew’s at 70. Need to come back in and see ya brother man and just sit down and chit chat and maybe throw some more arrows
Great podcast guys
Compared to other hobbies I follow on YT, I’m new here and surprised the archery channels have relatively small numbers of followers. Very few have been close to or over 100,000 subscribers. In comparison, speedcubing has tons in the 300,000 to 1 million+. Same with running, jeeping, mountain biking, road cycling, triathlon, etc. it’s a much smaller hobby.
I thought this was goin to be the 1 were the glass in the stove door would get broken forsure 🤣
I have shot Mathews for years. Latest Being the Phase 4 33. The zebra strings are so bad for peep twist. MFJJ convinced me to put gas strings on earlier this year and I haven’t had peep twist since.
I’m looking for a place to settle with the wife and have some kids. I want to move wherever these guys have their shop so I can get product and have this level of expertise. This video is awesome. Keep it up.
Agreed 💯 when the person you watching is paid.
Would really like to see a review of the new Athens Lineup!
nice dog, i think she wants out. great info too.
It does look like a solid bow. I am curious what the riser stiffness looks like on all of these bows.
My dad is going to SVA next week and I'm mad jealous about it.
Hey Josh and Tim, just went over your point that not every archery shop knows what they are doing, as an employee of a shop that could update their strategies on tuning and set up, how could a lower level employee try and bring some insight to their set up. Love the content, I've learned a lot from Josh and I want to make a difference in my small community of archers
Learn as much as you can from everyone. Buy a bow press and start tuning bows for cash on the side. When you build up a client list then start your own bow shop
Def Levi!
Just asking but have you all looked at APA bows? I was just wondering how good they are and they are very light and fast.
They're the Swiss army knife of bows. I know many people who shoot them and love them... but most of those people haven't shot anything else. Not discounting them, just stating what I've seen.
Yes. Chris Bee started with Hoyt
I would love to see Bowtech get more marketing content from the Element guys. I think they are fantastic personalities and make the best and most authentic whitetail content out there
Link to their channel? Do they use the newer SS?
youtube.com/@TheElementWild?si=G7DnIqZhix6YmCL_
They’re awesome. Check ‘em out
MFJJ, Really hope you will do your how to shoot video series soon. You've mentioned several times you will do some how tos, it is time man!!
I wish I had a shop like yours around
Anytime archery is getting talked about I'm in Josh your passion for perfecting the tune and arrow set up is on another level your guess podcast friken sweet look forward to more time gonna video these up coming hunts? I'd like to see you in action hunt/podcast/equipment review!
So many great topics… in the Mathews Lift, I don’t see the cutting edge innovation! I will take a closer look.
When Hoyt released their bows I really thought I was going to want an RX8 Ultra then Mathews came out with the Lift and made things tough.
Me too brand of the century. "Oh you shoot a Mathews? Me too" No thanks.
Love this lift bow but Dan shot his lift at 80% and 85% lettoff and they were the same speed
Hoyt built Chris bee
I went too hard on the aggressive cam in search of speed and regretted it. My Athens Revelation was speedy for sure with a 350 ibo, but it just destroyed my shoulder. The Lift is certainly not what I would consider aggressive. It’s tougher than my VTM 34 but not by a large margin.
I do have one question, Josh is talking about how much Mathew’s is ahead on there manufacturing correct? Then why can’t they get the mods built and sent out before the dealers get the bows. I don’t dislike Mathew’s but it’s pretty aggravating for me to try one when 2 dealers with in an hour of me don’t have mods for me to try. Other than that love the podcast
Just a recommendation: Track your sales this year (Draw Length, Weight & Let-off). Plug all that in a spreadsheet and next year you could be a bit more strategic on what mods and how many you buy.
I would hope the POS system he utilizes could provide just that…but if not he should invest in a better system. Nobody has time to manually re enter everything once more in a spreadsheet…
True. My point is that there must be just a handful of mods that he sells the most. Rather than buying 10 of each mod across the board, maybe be buy a bunch more of the mod that he would typically sell...rather than buying 10 mods for folks with ape arms.@@jetskiordie7976
Had an SS34 for deer/elk this year. Upgraded to a Lift for next year. It's a HUGE upgrade! I love the Mathews Lift. Wish I would have done the phase 4 instead of the SS34.
I much prefer my SS34 over my phase 4. The phase 4 is a good bow, but I don’t shoot it as good as the Bowtech.
Hopefully my lift will be here any day now. I think it’s gonna be so much better than the P4
@@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet Right on. The Bowtech grip is far superior to Mathews. The SS34 draw cycle is one of the smoothest ever in modern compound bows. Tunability obviously goes to Bowtech. I love that the Lift is offered at 55# peak weight. All that said, I’ll probably buy the Elite Ethos this year.
Remember when Cameron Hanes was a hardcore DIY public land dude?
I tested the lift a couple of days ago it’s amazing. Gonna sell my bow so I can get it. That lift is so smooth on the draw. 60lbs felt way easier than 60lbs on my PSE fortis.
What cam on your fortis? EC2 is smoother in my opinion
@@nathanmccutchen5272 the E2
Yes Chris Bee started at Hoyt
My shop is loaded
Definitely a way harder cycle. That’s why I’ve never went with Mathew’s. Also it had a lot of jump on my hand. If I was gonna accept all that I would just get the carbon pse it’s way lighter and aggressive.
APA , best bows period
Completely agree. Seems no one is talking about out it much- but that Lift is jumpy as hell. It wants to pull immediately forward after the 1/4” valley. I shot it. Just did not seem practical for elk hunting situations.
Everything else about the bow was superior to everything else I’ve shot. But I couldn’t see buying it.
I’m gonna fly from NY for my Mathew’s
Matt McPherson is mission-minded and gives credit to Jesus Christ, not only for the original design of cams but still today gives God the credit for the products he is making. The hype is holy. There is a reason Matthews has so much success.
The last pod you said how Mathew’s did all of this stuff in one year and were singing their praises but Darton built a whole new bow from axle to axle and got crickets. Stuff like that is why people think you are Mathews fan girls
Darton doesn’t have enough of the market share to even make them relevant.
@@jasonbarnes3188 Darton’s taking off since it was sold. Regardless he reviewed the sequel 33 (last week), the prelude and the veracity (last year). So what you’re saying is because Darton has less of a market they shouldn’t get any credit for making a good bow?
I got lucky and got a Lift 29.5 in Earth. It’s freaking awesome. Draws just a little little little bit stiffer than my Phase 4. Definitely faster than the phase 4. Same mods, same arrows and CBE sights. The lift is 2 sight tapes faster if that makes sense. I am getting a little peep twist with the match strings 😬
Mine twisted about an 1/8 turn after my 200-250 shots. Got it straightened back out and haven’t had any twisting yet after another 400-500 shots
@@jackthomson2773 I’m only around 150ish shots in. I hope that’s the case with mine. It’s probably around an 1/8 right now. Not much but I’ll have to get it straightened. I like to practice at 100, an 1/8 twist can make it tough at that distance. Funny thing is my phase 4 with zebras didn’t twist at all lol
I think when the smoke clears, The phase 4 is quite and has less jump and vibration.
If we are talking about solely about whose more influential as bow hunters, would we consider the THP crew in the top 5? I’d think their content has gotten a lot of folks into bow hunting let alone hunting with any mechanism.
Lee Lakosky in the hunting industry.
My only point about Mathew’s saying “a carbon bow can’t be made as well as an aluminum bow” is, “you’re not the CUSTOMER!” We WANT a carbon Mathew’s, so build us one already. Stop being so pretentious up on that mountain top, and give the consumer what they’re asking for already. Customer is ALWAYS right. And who knows? You might just advance the market place, again, and learn a few things along the way you didn’t realize you would. I know they’d rip the stinkin’ cover off the ball, and the other carbon manufacturers would be loosing sleep over their entry into the carbon bow space. Can you even imagine?!
Hey. If Tim or Josh see this is there anyway Josh knows if the SX80 limb pockets can be installed on an SS34? I want to upgrade the pockets if possible but bowtech will not let me know if they are compatible. Thanks.
I'm a Hoyt guy but really aiming to get into a LIFT 33
Update, I'm pickup my LIFT tomorrow :)
RUclips is that best source for the average joe like myself looking for reviews of product. Mathews nabbing Chris Bee was a game changer. Levi Morgan is right up there too in terms of content creation on RUclips. Throw Dudley in there too.
On another note - with you guys being out west, has anyone else noticed how many content creators are moving to Iowa to gain that coveted Iowa residency?.? And then turning around and cranking out whitetail content based on their residency due to not having to wait every five years to draw a tag? ---- Button hooks back to what moves the needle in the archery industry.... and that's hunters.
JJ has a Big Set , To put out that kind of Money in Inventory! He must have the Best Shop in the US ? The Shop I go to has very Little Inventory , No Target Bows no Target Sights or any Target Accessories so you Target Archers who Live in Washington enjoy JJ Shop !!!
The Mathew’s draw cycle. Was good. Comparing it to Hoyt. Also I didn’t feel like the Mathew’s was not as stable. And iv been a Mathew’s guy for a long time.
It was the second fastest bow tested. Both the Core SR and Mach 30 were faster.
I couldnt stand the vibration in the bowtech. Hoyt was good, loved prime rvx. Glad i went with lift
My local bow shop owner shoots professionally for mathews. Very nice guy and does a great job setting bows up right. His name is Sam Smith
Good podcast. However, I'm not buying all the hype for hunting purposes. Most people should simply spend more time and money afield. I'm glad the lift has been a huge success though: it has made the 8 limb design a moot point. Last year this time all of the influencers were saying the Phase 4 was a huge gamble with the RPD limbs. And now no one focuses on it. Regarding a more aggressive and faster cam that the lift has, nah. And for the weight savings that gets washed out when full loaded. But I get it, a lighter bow in a bow shop will be impressive. I can't wait for the true bow comparisons that the print media does for all aspects of archery. Who knows if the Lift is going to be more forgiving or accurate than the other '24 bows.
I agree, everyone was saying the 8 limb design was a mistake. Now, nobody mentions it , even though the Lift limbs are thinner and bend like CRAZY at full draw. The Lift isn't much faster than the Phase 4 and you are loosing axle to axle lenght at full draw.
Weird skip happening in the video from 38:40 - 39:06
GUESS WHAT MY 7 YEAR OLD BOW SHOOTS JUST AS WELL AS MY NEW BOW. ITS JUST AS ACCURATE. ITS AL HYPE AND MARKETING. ITS about show me the money.
Matt McPherson is a genius
And John Dudley??