The Pigeon Roost Massacre

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  • Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024

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  • @donnasnorthernlights2089
    @donnasnorthernlights2089 3 года назад +4

    The section where the tree was cut is where there was a mass grave of the people killed that night.

  • @catchingphoenixfarm4708
    @catchingphoenixfarm4708 Год назад +1

    I too am a descendent of the Collins side of the families. It was the Shawnee that performed the massacre. They inflicted so much damage on the victims, they had to place all of the body parts into one mass grave. The memorial is their grave. My mother and grandparents would take us kids there every year during the Pigeon Roost massacre family reunions.

    • @malibu405
      @malibu405 4 месяца назад

      My husband is a Collins descendant as well. I'm poring through documentation that his paternal grandmother left. We are considering a trip out this summer and would lovevto time it for the reunion if possible. Do you know/ be willing to share the reunion details for this year?

  • @pamcooper5837
    @pamcooper5837 Год назад +2

    My 5th grt grandmother b 1813 was the namesake of her aunt Kesiah Payne (Mrs. Elias Payne) who is listed on the monument.
    "Elias and Kesiah (Bridgewater) Payne were killed in Pigeon Roost Massacre. This couple and their seven children died in the Pigeon Roost Indian massacre near
    Vienna, Scott County. Indiana, on 3 Sep 1812."
    THE PIGEON ROOST MASSACRE: This tragic event was an incident of the War with Great Britain, which commenced in June 1812, and tended still further to increase the hostility of the Indians, who were supplied with means of more efficient warfare by the enemy (Great Britain). Five dollars, British reward, was offered for each American Scalp. The band of Shawnee Indians that committed the outrage, left their village in what is now Lake County, Indiana, and made their way directly to the Pigeon Roost Settlement. They were led by an Indian Chief by the name of, Misselemetaw. They crossed the East Fork of the White
    River, making the crossing three at a time as not to attract too much attention.
    Then their path joined the Vallonia Trail and they crossed the Muscatatuck River and proceeded by way of present day Little York and Leota, Indiana, to the ill fated settlement, which they reached early in the afternoon of September 3, 1812.
    The first warning the settlers had of an attack by the Indians, was when cattle, belonging to Jeremiah Payne, ran bellowing toward his house, their sides full of arrows and spears. The Shawnees had been to the home of Elias Payne, brother of Jeremiah Payne, and done their deadly work. Elias's wife, Kesiah (Bridgewater) Payne and seven children had been killed and scalped and their mangled and mutilated remains cremated in the burning house. Elias Payne and Isaac Coffman were killed while hunting bee trees, Samuel and Mary Ann Bridgewater and their family, luckily escaped the massacre, being the settlers farthest North. They did however, move back to New Bardstown, Kentucky and did not return to Indiana until after the Indian Wars. Samuel and Mary Ann had fifteen (15) children.
    Another printed account of the Pigeon Roost Massacre. A great deal of mystery surrounds this massacre. According to the British-Indian plan of the campaign it would seem that this attack was aimed at Fort Vallonia. The Delaware Indians living in the vicinity of Vallonia seemed to know that the raid was being executed but claimed they did not approve of it and laid the blame on the Pottawattomies. The whites who went in pursuit of the marauders seemed to be afraid to follow them. A party from Vallonia fell in with the retreating savages but were unable to stop them. No satisfactory account of the raid has ever been written and perhaps never will be. No record seems ever to have been made by any one who knew the facts from the Indian side. Within the present limits of the county of Scott, there was, in 1812, a place that was called the "Pigeon Roost" settlement. This settlement, which was founded by a few families, in 1809, was confined to about a square mile of land, and it was separated from all other settlements by a distance of five or six miles.
    In the afternoon of the 3rd of September, 1812, Jeremiah Payne, (incorrect, it was his brother Elias Payne) and a man whose name was Coffman (Elias' brother-in-law), were hunting for "bee trees" in the woods, about two miles
    north of the Pigeon Roost settlement, and were surprised and killed by a party of Indians. This party of Indians, which consisted of ten or twelve warriors, nearly, all of whom were Shawnees, then attacked the Pigeon Roost settlement, about sunset, on the evening of September 3rd; and, in the space of about one hour, killed one man, five women, and sixteen children. The bodies of some of
    these victims of savage warfare were burned in the fires that consumed the cabins in which the murders were perpetrated. The persons who were massacred at this settlement were Henry Collings and his wife, Mrs. Payne, wife of Jeremiah Payne (incorrect, it was Elias Payne, brother to Jeremiah), and eight (supposedly they had seven) of her children, Mrs. Richard Collings, and seven of her children, Mrs. John Morris, and her only child, and Mrs. Morris, the mother of John Morris. Mrs. Jane Biggs, with her three small children, escaped from the settlement, eluded the vigilance of the Indians, and, about an hour before daylight, on the next morning, arrived at the house of her brother, Zebulon Collings, who lived about six miles from the scene of the carnage. "William Collings, who had passed the age of sixty years, defended his house, for the
    space of three-quarters of an hour, against the attacks of the Indians. In this defense, he was assisted by Captain John Morris. There were two children in the house. As soon as it began to grow dark, Mr. Collings and Captain Morris escaped with the two children (John Collings and Lydia Collings), from the house, eluded the pursuit of the Indians, and, on the morning of the next day, reached the
    house of Zebulon Collings.
    A number of the militia of Clark County immediately proceeded to the scene of the Pigeon Roost massacre, where they found several of the mangled bodies of the dead, surrounded by the smoking ruins of the houses. These remains of the murdered persons were brought together, and buried in one grave.
    On the afternoon of the September 4th, about one hundred and fifty mounted riflemen, under the command of Major John McCoy, followed the trail of the Indians about twenty miles, when "the darkness of the night" compelled them to
    give up the pursuit. A small scouting party under the command of Captain Devault discovered and made an attack upon the retreating Indians, who, after killing one of Captain Devault’s men, continued their flight through the woods, and eluded the pursuit of the scouting party. On the 6th of September, the militia of Clark county were reinforced by sixty mounted volunteers from Jefferson
    county, under the command of Colonel William McFarland; and, on the evening of the 7th, about three hundred and fifty volunteers from Kentucky were ready to unite with the Indiana militia of Clark and Jefferson counties, for the purpose of making an attack on the Delaware Indians - some of whom were suspected of having been engaged in the destruction of the Pigeon Roost settlement.
    It seems, however, that a spirit of jealousy, which prevailed among some of the officers, defeated the intentions of those who, at that time, proposed to destroy the towns of the friendly Delawares, who lived on the western branch of White river. After the time of the Pigeon Roost massacre, many of the settlers on the northern and western frontiers of Clark, Jefferson, Harrison, and Knox
    counties, lived in a state of alarm until the close of the war, in 1815.
    Mr. Zebulon Collings, who lived within six miles of the Pigeon Roost settlement, says: "The manner in which I used to work, in those perilous times, was as follows: On all occasions I carried my rifle, tomahawk, and butcher-knife, with a loaded pistol in my belt. When I went to plow, I laid my gun on the plowed ground, and stuck up a stick by it, for a mark, so I could get it quickly in case it was wanted. I had two good dogs. I took one into the house, leaving the other out. The one outside was expected to give the alarm, which would cause the one inside to bark, by which I would be awakened, having my guns always loaded.
    I kept my horses in a stable, close to the house, having a porthole so that I could shoot to the stable door. During the two years I never went from home with any certainty of returning - not knowing the minute I might receive a ball from an unknown hand; but in the midst of all these dangers, that God who never sleeps nor slumbers, has kept me.”
    Source: From A History of Indiana, by John Dillon [1858] pp 492-494

  • @bjobridgewater3410
    @bjobridgewater3410 2 года назад +1

    I'm a descendant of the Collins/Richey family and there's another cemetery about 10 miles down a country road where some of the survivors are buried.

    • @homer97027
      @homer97027 Год назад +1

      I am also a descendant of the Collins family and just discovered this part of the family history. We will have to make this sight a family trip and visit.

    • @malibu405
      @malibu405 4 месяца назад

      ​@@homer97027likewise, our family is considering a trip to visit. I'd like to try timing our visit with the family reunion. My husbands a Collins descendant.

  • @markkreps430
    @markkreps430 6 лет назад +2

    The Facebook group The Society of the War of 1812 in Indiana has a tremendous amount of information about the Pigeon Roost Massacre.

  • @debibliss6541
    @debibliss6541 6 лет назад +2

    What an absolutely beautiful cemetery. Beautiful area...birds just a singing. I would love to spend some time here. Thanks ever so much for sharing.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 6 лет назад

    It’s so nice you explore the history of where you film ..a lot of you tubers don’t ..and that’s why your my fav

  • @SueGirling68
    @SueGirling68 6 лет назад +13

    Hi Matt, great video, this is what I could find out - The Pigeon Roost settlement was rebuilt, but was eventually abandoned. Most of the victims were buried in a mass grave, to include members of the Collings and Richey families. Indian Ranger John Zink was buried in Salem, Indiana's Brock Cemetery. x

    • @jasoncupp1514
      @jasoncupp1514 Год назад +1

      Hello Sue. As a kid my grandfather spoke often about the Pigeon roost massacre. He had a big book called the Collins and Richey's and the massacre at pigeon roost. When my grandfather past about 15 years ago I
      thought the book was lost forever. Recently I located the book at a family members home. I have been doing some genealogy work based on the notes my grandfather (Garner Richey) had left in the book. If you have any information about the massacre that wasn't covered in this video, I would love to hear from you. Thanks so much.

    • @SueGirling68
      @SueGirling68 Год назад

      @@jasoncupp1514 I'm sorry I don't but I wish you luck. x

    • @50249895oo
      @50249895oo Год назад +2

      We are distantly related to the Collings. They were buried in a mass grave near the base of the huge sycamore tree that grew near the memorial, possibly the tree in the video cut down.

  • @Kuulei265
    @Kuulei265 6 лет назад

    The location was so peaceful. You could hear the birds singing. Sort of conflicts with the violence that happened there. Great video as always.

  • @jessicaboland2448
    @jessicaboland2448 4 года назад +1

    I'm a descent of the Collins and Ritchey family. You should find the book and read it. It was written by a descent with geological information, pictures, actual story's from that day also wills. It was an awful story. With no answers to why it happened. Ft. Harrison was attack at the same moment pidgeon roost was attached.

  • @irongeek
    @irongeek Год назад

    I was just at the site today. They completely removed that stump that you have in your video and now it was like a concrete or stone sculpture of a stump at the same location.

  • @timsimler9322
    @timsimler9322 5 лет назад +3

    My wife's family of shawnee Indians are responsible for this turn of events. I suggest you read the book on this subject. Turns out that theft of land was delt with quite harshly in those days

    • @ryanwarner6669
      @ryanwarner6669 3 года назад

      Interesting My family was the Collins side! Pretty cool that is there is both living members of both sides

    • @ryanwarner6669
      @ryanwarner6669 Год назад

      @@1973ThunderBirds typo 😢

  • @debbiehensley6219
    @debbiehensley6219 6 лет назад +3

    Lovely and peaceful final resting place for those people, Lord knows they deserve it after the tragedy they endured. All the birdsong and the way the place is upkept is just wonderful. Those big ancient trees can can add a lot of character and beauty but can pose a hugh threat to the history of a cemetery by destroying the stones. The jug of water that was left behind was possibly from someone adding it to flowers in vases. Great place, thanks for sharing and be safe, Matt.

  • @jimmyhappysmith204
    @jimmyhappysmith204 6 лет назад +4

    Thanks Matt, the first area was very nice in the way they honored these pioneers. If they came from Kentucky to Indiana they would have been aware of Indians. The second graveyard as you could tell people visited this last Memorial Day.

  • @jerettashewmaker5021
    @jerettashewmaker5021 6 лет назад +1

    A beautiful cemetary,great video. Thanks Matt.

  • @susan5301
    @susan5301 6 лет назад

    Such an interesting explore. Sad though. Looks like such a peaceful place. Thanks for sharing Matt!

  • @customscreenprinting
    @customscreenprinting 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks Matt for sharing with me this video about The Pigeon Roost Massacre I really enjoyed this video and I can't wait to see your next video on both channels and God Bless you my friend and thanks again.

  • @vevedehavilland4743
    @vevedehavilland4743 6 лет назад +1

    I felt a lot of sprit activity around the recreated cabin

  • @sandraplonka5225
    @sandraplonka5225 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you. Lots of history there.

  • @tamarawalker8973
    @tamarawalker8973 6 лет назад

    So sad. But they have a peaceful, beautiful resting place. Thanks for info & video.

  • @joshuacarter7119
    @joshuacarter7119 2 года назад

    Was nice to see this. my ggggrandma was the Collings survivor.

  • @rhondaz356
    @rhondaz356 6 лет назад +4

    The poor Collins family appears to have lost many of its members. So sad about the children......

    • @joshuacarter7119
      @joshuacarter7119 2 года назад +1

      Only my ggggrandmother survived on the Collings and 3 from the Richey. Is what I remember being told. One of are family members had a book made was about to start reading it when I found this.

    • @joshuacarter7119
      @joshuacarter7119 Год назад

      @@1973ThunderBirds hey looking into this

    • @joshuacarter7119
      @joshuacarter7119 Год назад

      @@1973ThunderBirds I am descendant of phoebe Collings who had a granddaughter phoebe who married my great grandfather Sherman page 79 on the first book number 78/101/102/102/103/104/105 my grandmother is 104. Mom Found Isaac Yates

  • @sharonfauber2118
    @sharonfauber2118 5 лет назад

    Thank you Matt. Great video

  • @Mrjdoxs-jp7su
    @Mrjdoxs-jp7su 5 лет назад

    I've been there many times, and have had the pleasure of meeting some of the Collins descendants,... The history of The Pigeon Roost Massacre is in some of the older "Indiana History" books, which you may still be able to get (read), from the state library,...

  • @lindafarner9755
    @lindafarner9755 6 лет назад

    Great video really enjoyed it. How strange how well maintained every part of that park and cemetery is maintained till you went into that old section. What the heck those people deserve the same respect. Was reading the comments got a chuckle out of the sunscreen comment. Love the ones where they worry about your pants or shoes. Love your videos

  • @bruceliggett8036
    @bruceliggett8036 6 лет назад

    Thanks man, ur the coolest cat on youtube!

  • @brushybillroberts2654
    @brushybillroberts2654 4 года назад

    Nice video. I have family that lives in that area, there are still many Collins living in Scott County.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 6 лет назад

    Wow good job Matt your my fav you tuber..this broke my heart ..I’m so glad you did this I never heard about it before ...thank you I enjoy history

  • @marymcguffin9370
    @marymcguffin9370 4 года назад

    Great job.

  • @yeetus4868
    @yeetus4868 2 года назад +1

    Btw Indiana doesn't get bears

  • @heartforwon
    @heartforwon 6 лет назад

    Enjoyed the video!

  • @sweetbella5664
    @sweetbella5664 6 лет назад +1

    Awesome place!

  • @pringleboi9548
    @pringleboi9548 Год назад

    crazy to think the only reason i’m alive today was because Mrs.collings survived the massacre

  • @esechucote52
    @esechucote52 6 лет назад

    very nice and koooooooooool video of the vintage cemetery

  • @paigelee6321
    @paigelee6321 6 лет назад +1

    Awesome love it. Sad about the history.

  • @50249895oo
    @50249895oo Год назад

    It was a brutal massacre; one of the victims was a woman - eight months pregnant -who was scalped, then had the fetus cut from her womb and also scalped. Another woman ran to the woods with her children to try to escape. When her baby tried to whimper, she stuffed a blanket in its mouth as the Indians passed her hidden location. She survived and escaped, but she accidentally smothered her infant. This branch of my family was almost wiped out.

  • @MichelleJune67
    @MichelleJune67 6 лет назад +2

    Matt love your videos ..Most were burnt but the remaining bodies were buried in a mass grave.sad there is no marker to tell where it is. :(

  • @andykahut9402
    @andykahut9402 4 года назад

    I am a descendent of Collings, Richey, Biggs and Crist families. Hope to make it there some day.

    • @539Productions
      @539Productions  4 года назад

      Happy to hear from someone with some connection to the story. It is a beautiful area.

  • @MrsMac3099
    @MrsMac3099 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for your video. I am related to the Paynes Coffman's/ Kaufman's and Bridgewaters. They intermarried with the Watsons.

    • @539Productions
      @539Productions  8 месяцев назад +2

      I am always surprised that this video has made it all the way to some of the decedents. Thanks for watching, I am happy you approve!

  • @cowboy6591
    @cowboy6591 6 лет назад

    THERE READABLE!!! Get a big sheet of paper and a carbon brick. Hold or tap sheet to the grave and gently rub over the paper with the carbon brick. It's called grave stone scrying. Brings the letters and numbers right out so you can see them.

  • @Figgatella
    @Figgatella 6 лет назад +2

    Great video Matt! So sad they killed all those children. Very interesting place.

    • @joycebrown1413
      @joycebrown1413 2 года назад

      Yep sad and also all those Indian children killed too.

  • @ryanwarner6669
    @ryanwarner6669 3 года назад

    I’m direct related to the Collins family have some really cool historical documents of this massacre! It was a sad day no doubt

  • @nobodycares902
    @nobodycares902 6 лет назад

    A lot of the early 1800 villages didn't have stonemasons capable of making gravestone. Sometimes a rock was the only stone early settlers had.

  • @yeetus4868
    @yeetus4868 2 года назад

    Hey mat visit the next by town of scottsburg (btw I live in scottsburg) and learn about the first train robbery in us history

  • @anthonyvest170
    @anthonyvest170 3 года назад

    There are no bears in Underwood or Scottsburg Indiana.

  • @mneely4578
    @mneely4578 8 месяцев назад

    My family ❤️

  • @cjdfv
    @cjdfv 6 лет назад

    6:32 There are always bears everywhere.

  • @cjdfv
    @cjdfv 6 лет назад

    Some of the markers that are unreadable may be more legible adjusting the contrast and brightness with the camera or editing software.

  • @Misslastate2001
    @Misslastate2001 6 лет назад

    Why don’t you carry a whisk broom? I believe it would help read some of the graves. The really old one you couldn’t read near the end of video looked to me to read1819.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 6 лет назад

    Good job keeping aware of your surroundings..always be careful

  • @janetdoten4489
    @janetdoten4489 6 лет назад

    My maiden name is Austin and I wonder if the Austin that dedicated the cabin is a relative? Hmmmm! Thanks for sharing.

  • @lauraodle5816
    @lauraodle5816 6 лет назад

    So sad.

  • @indianabrandon3029
    @indianabrandon3029 4 года назад

    Idk but just incase no one else addressed the bear 🐻 situation...nope no bears here in good ol indiana... but great video though I live in Jalapa so grew up around a lot of this time frame of history!

    • @539Productions
      @539Productions  4 года назад

      Not for long apparently, I here they are slowly returning from Michigan.

  • @bigma8568
    @bigma8568 6 лет назад

    Interesting place to record EVP.

  • @ser8098
    @ser8098 4 года назад

    I think Most of the victims were buried in a mass grave, to include members of the Collings and Richey families

  • @kathleenlangner1753
    @kathleenlangner1753 3 года назад

    As sad as it is, we did many massacres to the Indian tribes and took their land.

  • @turbo1672
    @turbo1672 6 лет назад +1

    Hi Matt, you seem to be a pretty intelligent guy, but let me point out one thing to you and everyone else for that matter. The USA has never been in a Civil War, yet. I'm aware that history books and other publications as well as most people, will refer to that war as a civil war. But, no offense, you are all wrong. There is one particular qualification that MUST be met, before a war can be a civil war. It has to take place within the same country. The war in question, was fought between two separate countries, the Confederate States of America, and the Union States of America ( I don't know if United States was used at that time). Some of you may say, because it was fought on the same soil, that would make it a civil war. However, Canada and Mexico are on the same soil as the US but we know for fact that they are separate countries. Same with this war. It's referred to by most Southerners, and should be referred to by all, as The War Between the States. Not a Civil War.
    I do however love your videos, particularly the grave yard tours. I too have always been fascinated by old grave yards. Very interesting.

    • @jdawneaton
      @jdawneaton 5 лет назад

      Blah blah blah...it is referred to as the civil war whether you like it or not...water is also h2o and aqua

    • @turbo1672
      @turbo1672 5 лет назад +1

      @@jdawneaton Typical dumb ass libtard.

  • @bryanmillar8103
    @bryanmillar8103 6 лет назад +1

    Came here after discovering John Richey was my 1st cousin 7 times removed.He didn't perish,but obviously he was related to the Collings family. Thanks for this video as I live in Scotland and wouldn't get over to visit personally.

    • @539Productions
      @539Productions  5 лет назад +1

      Very cool, thanks for getting in contact!

  • @josecerqueira6053
    @josecerqueira6053 5 лет назад +2

    I liked to see memorials in honor of the Native Americans who were victims of massacres on the part of the Americans, and who were not few.

    • @MrsMac3099
      @MrsMac3099 9 месяцев назад

      The war of 1812. The English put a bounty on scalp's. They indians wanted money. They even cut a baby out for the mother's womb and scalped it.

  • @jenigeddon
    @jenigeddon 6 лет назад +1

    What a very sad story this place has in its history! But such a beautiful place!!