There is one thing I would love to see ALL camera manufacturers do. That is to improve their camera manuals so they actually explain WHY to use each feature, not just how to use it. While they're at it, they should hire some editors who can write native language versions of the manuals.
Building up more software competence is the biggest mistake of all of them. Not only quick sharing in social media but also computational photography like automatically combining a black-and-white short shutter photo with a long shutter color photo to an better night time shot like probably most smartphones do. That's why they still keep loosing more and more market share to the smartphones.
Talking about Olympus (now OM) at 9:56 ... you made a big call in this Video, that I really respect: "I don't care for sensor size, I care for results". Lately you recommended the Canon R6 as a better option to the new OM-1. You said you'll test the OM-1. I'd love to see a in depth bird fotography comparison from you both! Maybe you could include the Olympus 100-400 mm f5.0 - 6.3 Zoom Lens and the Canon RF 100-400 f/5.6-8 IS USM Zoom Lens with 2x converter for the Canon, because I think Zoom Lenses are the better option for finding birds. Same basic price, range and weight for both sets with the Canon 2x converter, good time to show the picture quality advantage of a modern FF camera, while staying at the same price and weight of the MFT competitor. Winter is over, the weather gets better by the day - grab the two cameras with these Lenses and show us the difference in real world results! Bokeh, Stabilization for stills and Video, Image Noise and loss of detail at high ISO in dim light and fog, High speed pictures of fast moving wings, Hit rate for starting birds using the pro capture option, handheld Hi Res function used on birds... show us if they are just OM marketing gags, or if they are actually usable features. Its not about winning, I wouldn't mind to see the Canon R6 to succeed. For the shooters with the big pockets you could make a third category going along as a kind of "best of industry" reference - choose whatever you want or have: The R5, the Z9, the Sony A1 with high end Zoom glass... use it as an expamle on how far off from the two budget cameras the high priced optimum actually is. Of course: Compareable distance and light conditions.
Well, I am from a software and hardware background. You'd be surprised the latest cameras are at least 5-6 generations behind the latest mobile processors like Qualcomm 8 Gen 1. These come with an 18bit ISP single camera up to 200 megapixels, can process 8k @ 30 fps and 4k @ 120 fps. It has a built-in cellular 5g modem, Wifi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2, lossless AptX audio and a host of hardware accelerators like h264, h265 etc. The chip can drive dual displays eg. EVF + monitor and costs like 70 USD in bulk. The chip also supports PCIE4 and low voltage RAM like LPDDR5. It would make an awesome camera phone (unlike a phone camera). Additional hardware accelerators can be built using FPGA which are quite widely used in signal processing. Processing 8k video is not that a large problem when compared to other domains. 45 megapixels @ 16 * 3 (RGB) bit per pixel @ 60 frames per second generates about 16.2 gigabytes of data per second. Most of the mid-range commodity FPGA can process this data with some effort like colour space conversion, de-interlacing, gamma correction, clipping, chroma resampling, synchronization-and remove temporal and spectral noise from the video using 2D Filter etc. All points to a fact that most of these companies are in Japan would need fresh startups to disrupt the market.
Maybe processing the data coming from much bigger sensors requires different processing. I'm not an engineer but I can imagine that the engineers who work for these companies know what they are doing. Also, rendering a nice image is not only about resolution or frame rate, I use a Sony a1 (50MP photo, 8K video, fast reliable af, 30fps burst etc.) and I also use a Fuji x100v (26MP apsc) and I often enjoy the Fuji images more
Tony has mentioned how Japan has a culture that sees coding as blue collar work, and that since WW2, camera companies have a craftsmanship significance. Causing the companies to drift behind in computational imaging. So i bet he 100% agrees with what you're saying.
@@kristofkollar4431 true.. the camera interface of small sensors are different to that of large mirrorless sensors. If a company want to leverage the mobile phone SOC nothing is preventing them .. mobile phone market is quite big, every sensor manufacturer has IP which can be used for larger sensors. Regarding the colours, it is actually colour management only. ISO is fake - true. All sensors has only 1 or 2 native analogue gain in the ADC stage. One can create a tri-gain or quad-gain senor (gains are in steps) but not variable gain. Hence ISO is after data acquisition in the processing pipelines. Every camera company has their fine-tuning of voltage reference to ADC, gain circuit in the circuit etc that results in better low light performance etc. ISO processed in-camera vs lightroom are different .. camera may follow a different algorithm and known parameters when processing for ISO than what lightroom will do. AI denoising and scaling is the next frontier :))
@@jonniecandito181 very true .. running a business is like keeping a fine balance between innovation and mass appeal products. It seems they should have their R&D centres elsewhere or perhaps should have collaborated with universities.
More intuitive usability, ergonomic controls and modern software functions, like filters and sharing, are the areas in need of revolutionary change. Why do the dials feel like cheese graders? Why cant I use digital zoom in photo mode? Why is transfer to phone so unintuitive? I think they need to test these cameras with people who have not been using them for thirty years. They need fresh eyes on this.
I am getting great results from my Fujifilm X-T4, X100V, X-H1, and GFX50R. I have purchased premium lenses for both the X-Mount and GF Mount. I sold my SonyA7R2, A6500, and A7II and switched to the Canon EOS 5DS, 5D Mark IV, and EOS R. And I switched from Canon to Fujifilms and I feel that I have found the best camera system for me (Fujifilm). Many photographers rely on eye detection so much that their composition is suffering. They shoot with one hand, waiting for the confirmation of eye detection. It's tough to nail composition holding the camera with one hand. :) lol, I barely turn on eye detection, I don't need it to take a great photo. For so many years as a DSLR shooter, you did not have eye detection.
Panasonic user here. I love Panasonic cameras, I think they offer the best bang-per-buck in terms of features. I also come from a background of manually pulling focus. The rumoured continued use of DFD in the GH6 makes me very sad. If we have PDAF we at least have the option of simply turning it off for filming in controlled conditions. It's sad that it's a hill they want to die on. I love my S5 and S1 but PD would be the cherry on top.
actually...I found the Lumix phone app pretty good. both for controlling the camera and for transferring pictures from camera to phone. transferring individual pics to phone works pretty easily and happens off of the camera's wifi. there are some kinks. the camera on your home network wifi never worked well for me. but directly connected to your phone by the camera's wifi has always been solid and fast.
As a sony user I feel their biggest mistake is their pricing on the CF-Type A cards, considering they are slower and the cost/MB vs CF-Type B is so ridiculously high. There nothing exciting about paying for another $1200AUD for x2 160GB to maximise the use of Sony latest camera.
It's not 'their' pricing...the market has decided the floor price...not Sony. Look at other CF cards not by Sony...same price pretty much. Buy a Pro grade CF express...about the same as Sony...or anyone else.
@@JACKnJESUS not necessarily the price as much as the decision to go with the smaller type A cards rather than find a way to go type b which are both faster and cheaper.
Tell the OP not me. He's obviously concerned about the pricing. As for speed...pretty sure 700MB/sec will get you where you want to go. If someone tells you 700MB/sec isn't fast enough...run away...they don't know what they are talking about. Fact is...with CF-A's when shooting uncompressed RAW images at 70MB resolution ...you never hit the buffer limit...ever. Just shoot away. No one shoots that way of course...no one that knows what they are doing anyway. CF-A is new...it will fall in price. I only mention price for you because at the end of comment...you mentioned it as well.
I appreciated your comments on the first roll-out of the Nikon Z cameras. I bought a Z6, thinking that it would bring all of the Nikon "goodness" that I had experienced with the DSLRs to the mirrorless world. But it was not to be. Compared to other systems that I owned (e.g., Fujifilm), the performance was atrocious. That experience combined with the extremely expensive Z mount lenses, basically soured me on Nikon. The result - in June 2021, I sold all of my Nikon equipment - equipment built over 35 years - moved over to the Sony. What Nikon did not seem to understand is that it lost customers like myself. I wish that Nikon had recognized these bad experiences and worked at retaining the early adopters of the Z mount. But, that was not to be.
It was a total shame how badly Nikon blew their initial attempts at mirrorless, and they're definitely still struggling to catch up. But on-going firmware updates and the Z9 may finally be starting to change things. After 40+ years with Nikon I came close to just jumping ship, but instead just delayed my switch to mirrorless until very recently. When making that decision I compared mirrorless lens prices since lens investment is such a huge factor. Z lenses are expensive, but as of this moment the equivalent Canon and Sony are all in the same ballpark. Some a little more than the equivalent Nikon, some a little less.
Yes me too. Was a loyal Nikon user for 28 years. Loved the system, honestly never thought I'd change. Saw how Sony was killing it by mk.iii and a9. Waited eagerly for N's response, especially after the much hyped Z-mount (Tron like imagery and hyped theoretical spec), only to be disappointed with the underwhelming z6/7. Also their lens map looked slow and lackluster. I knew that native glass was always superior to adapted so whatever else I did I knew my F glass needed to be sold asap before the market in used F glass fell too far. So sold 3 Nikon bodies and about 12 lenses and bought into Sony. Never looked back and don't ever expect to switch again as I can't see Sony just 'dropping the ball'. I did keep one F3, one F5 and a couple of manual focus lenses as a memento of Nikon's heyday - just bookshelf ornaments now.
@@gerrys6318 I admire your patience. But, even now, Nikon is "screwing" things up. Consider their release of the Z9. According to every report, this is a great camera - in some ways the equivalent of the Canon R5 and the Sony A7R IVa. Yet, to get one of these cameras, you have to be a registered Nikon pro (as pointed out in the video). For everyone else (me included - I am a professor of supply chain management), your options are either to wait until later on this year (maybe) or to go on Ebay and pay huge markups to others for a Z9 (Jared on RUclips joked about this as a strategy for making money). Just look at Sony's experiences with the Sony Playstation V. Over a year after its launch, it has yet to get its order fulfillment and supply chain strategy in order (in contrast to Microsoft). The result - it has significantly upset a large portion of its customer base. When you release a great product, after such a horrid initial release (Z6/Z7), you need to make sure that the products are there to meet demand. People want the product; give it to them. Reap the innovation tax. This was not the case. Reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld involving the soup shop owner - no Nikon Z9 for you! One more point - both Canon and Sony understood the need to release an "every person camera" in addition to their flagship. For Canon, it was the R6; for Sony, it was the A7R III/IV or the A7R IVa. Where was the "every person" camera when Nikon released the Z9? So, great points but I still have given up on Nikon.
I just want to add my 2 cents to the debate and say, that the wifi capabilities are really a big problem. Even for professionals, photojournalists often have to deliver live images from events like protests, press conferences ect. But it takes so long to transfer photos to my phone from my Nikon and everytime I import, it reimports all the previews, so if you transfer 300 images and 20 images later, you have to send another picture to your editor, then you have to import 320 previews and its just so annoying. All Im saying is, the wifi capabilities are really crucial for many peoples work and it should be one of the priorities to fix this.
yes. this. connectivity. even having qi charging would be interesting. you put a camera in your bag and it starts charging. or on a little mount on a shelf. just much more thought.
Tony; “Canon and Sony have been one and two since the 80s”. What? Sony didn’t make SLRs. They didn’t make them in the 80s or 90s and it wasn’t until Minolta decided to get out early in the digital age that Sony bought the mount and got started in DSLRs. Yes they were into DV up to professional level way back, but not stills cameras.
I think the biggest mistake ALL the manufacturers are making at the moment is thinking that, during a pandemic where incomes on all levels are negatively impacted, what photographers need is $3000 or $4000 or $6000 cameras. "Have a Z7 II." "But I can't even afford a Z50." "Oh, then maybe a Z9?"
Yet the new releases are getting sold out nonetheless, I think cameras at those prices you mentioned are definitely geared towards professionals and not hobbyists. I won’t say they’re not might expensive though because they are.
@@traviswallace Yes, people love to talk about how everything should be cheaper during the pandemic, but everything is totally sold out. You can’t buy these cameras anywhere.
@@DieHardEddieEdwards Chopz, did you read your comment before you posted? Because you are coming across as hyperbolic and condescending. I'm sure that wasn't your intention; you probably need to engage more in the editorial process. Thanks for your comment!
@@traviswallace There in lies my thinking as well, Travis. The professional is the only photographer to whom camera companies are catering. The hobbyist has been somewhat forgotten of late. We are still a legitimate market, but many of us don't want to spend pro money for our next cameras. It's not a big deal, but I thought it noteworthy...
Ah, yes. I get your perspective. The hobbyist and non pro consumers are left fishing in the outskirts of the pool. I totally understand, there’s been a ton of releases since the pandemic for sure. We are still a legitimate market, I’d go as far as to say the hobbyist are the ones actually fighting to buy the latest and greatest just to make quality content to get further in their pursuit.
Canon is sooo great, they even REMOVED SAVE SETTINGS from R6 which i had on old CHEAPER DSLRs so one has to reconfigure the entire camera from scratch if it resets! Stupidity at its brightest! Not to mention the nerfing of shooting speed on the entire R3/5/6 line if battery goes under 50% Canon prioritized BATERY LIFE over ability to shoot fast? FFS, who wants to save battery but not be able to take photos! And this is a hardcoded software 'powersaving' mode. I rather be able to shoot at full speed another 30 minutes than have a half-full battery which can't shoot at all or take single shots at 2fps! Ah well, is it a half-full battery really, or a software lie telling you u have 50% when infact u have more like 20%? If this is how they 'fix' battery life, no thanks. Now i buy 3rd party batteries because all of them become useless at 50%, so i have to change 4 batteries a day to be able to shoot normal, and i am not paying 100 bucks for Canon craplife batteries when i get the same for 20 bucks, 50% is all i need of each one!
I would add the Samsung NX1, amazing specs, phase detect autofocus and 6k downsampled to 4k before anyone else was doing it (and 10bit hdmi out)...........but no log mode despite the good BSI sensor (only had 40megabit internal codec at launch, can now shoot 180 megabit with the firmware mod), lenses where also fly by wire with no way to adapt electronic ef lenses and have them work. I think an nx to ef mount would have saved it (being able to use canon lenses with an adapter on sony made switching easier). NX1 felt so close, shame Samsung never followed up with a NX2
I am a Sony and Fuji user, love the feeling of shooting with Fuji with all the physical buttons, love colors also but the AF needs to catch up, as you said, lenses should be faster. Fuji: 1. Better and faster AF 2. Faster Lenses 4. Faster and more intuitive image transfer to smartphone! 5. Better menu 6. Fix that bizarre look of images when you zoom closer, (foliage!?) Sony are great cameras, great AF but all the brands are not there yet when the AF acquisition is in question! Between the touch of the button and the focus acquisition my EOS 5D MK III was way faster though not as accurate. It’s irritating when tou see the A7IV, A7RIV, A9II, A1?! I mean was the A9 series supposed to be the sports one? Than they hold up features as Canon does! Ok you can keep 30fps to A1 but the snappier AF should be also at the A7R series! Sony: 1. Needed better menu 2. Faster and more intuitive image transfer to smartphone! 3. Faster and snappier AF!
In fact, Olympus/OM Systems never claims that a premium 300mm f4 m43 lens offers image quality equivalent to that of a premium 600mm f4 FF lens. That is a straw man argument. Instead, Olympus claims the m43 offering is much smaller. Do people use lenses like these in similar situations? Absolutely. People have captured excellent images with both kinds of lenses.
I'm in both Sony and Canon ecosystems. By far, aside from the canon R5 overheating debacle, the biggest issue with both systems is the wifi, smartphone control, and transfer. This makes no sense at all. I can make phone calls and get internet on my $400 LTE smart watch. We're buying $4,000-$5,000 cameras that can't complete this simple task? Steal a page from the cell phone playbook. Put a sim card in these things and let us share our images....
It's true. Time for cell phones and mirrorless cameras to merge. These 1985 (1995 if I'm being generous) user interfaces, menus, connectivity, rear screen sizes/resolutions, etc need to dramatically improve, especially with Sony.
I agree with so much of this. I have a Nikon D780 and I think I'll have to go and do the equivalent of a university course to be able to use the remote shutter provided by SnapBridge. It was so much easier on my D750, I could just use a cheap remote release from Amazon. I wonder why they are making the practical things more difficult
I'm using a Nikon Z6 II and there's one feature that annoys me everytime I wanna use it. It's the wireless control of the camera. It takes me always ages to setup just the wifi connection and when it finally works I usually stumble over error messages complaining about the mode I'm in. E g. Manual mode isn't supported, but why?! Just a couple of days ago I wanted to take a photo of me and my friends. After several minutes of failure, we ended up using a 10 second timer, because we were unable to get the feature to work.
#1 gripe would be wireless connections. How hard is it to make a wireless connection between two devices and share data? I should be able to get home from a shoot, turn the camera on and have all my images sent to the home photo server (PC/Laptop/Backup drive) without removing cards or connecting cables. The connection between my D850 and my iPad is cool when I am "on location", albeit a bit clunky to get going.
It's funny how Tony talks about Olympus lens size. Some good micro 4/3 rds are much smaller for equivalent focal length. They have dimmer equiv aperture, yes. But much smaller and lighter. Example = Olympus 300mm f/4 PRO - 3.25 lb vs. Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM - 6.7 lb . You can add tele converters to BOTH.
I think I see their point though. When they first came out that was their thing. Now it’s not nearly as impressive. But you can definitely tell a difference. I tried to switch to Sony and it was way bigger and bulkier for what I wanted/need and have stayed I the Olympus space. Excited for the Om-1!!
I just want the same long lasting, thousands of shots worth, extended battery power that every Nikon DSLR gives me. I left the DSLR and embraced the Sony A6000 system many years ago. Instant Live View? I love it. Astonishingly quick and accurate autofocus? love it. Movie quality? Bloody love it, man, love it, love it, love it. But the battery power is pathetically short, way too short. Sony (and most mirrorless camera manufacturers) need to pack 5-7 times more power into these tiny batteries. I'm telling you, man, currently (sic) this lack of battery power sucks Camel Balls. "Battery exhausted" my ass - sort the bloody problem out. Sony - if you're reading this (I very much doubt it) offer a battery grip with larger batteries for the A6xxxx range. Not that I want the extra weight, but I'll take what I can get until you sort this mess out.
They all missed out on computational photography. No excuse in 2022 to pay $1000s for camera software designs dating back to the early 2000s. Particularly the inability to blend 10s of exposures in a split second yielding a single raw file with insane DR. Yeah go do bracketing and some other backward techniques from the cave era. Nope, not buying any pro camera until this issue is addressed. At least address it in the 1” sensor cameras. Can’t wait for Apple or Google to come up with a FF dedicated camera, even with a fixed focal length lens I’d be first to switch.
I suspect what Lumix is doing is perfected DFD to the point where it's actually more advantageous than PD. Then they'll have a lock (and license) on a superior tech. This may be wishful thinking, but it's the only reason I can think of as to why they've doggedly stuck with it. If it eventually outperforms PD it will catapult Panasonic to the forefront. Not just because people will buy Lumix cameras, but because of other applications where they license their DFD to other companies.
That appears to the road they're on. I worry that in typical Japanese style the will refuse to admit their wrong even if they realize it's a dead end. Detecting focus direction based on defocused images seems like very little to hang your hat on. And how do you know that fuzzy blob is the bird? But the advantage is you don't need to waste pixel sites with phase detectors.
@@tim1398 You're making it hard to tell the difference between American and Japanese styles lol. I guess time will tell all. Namely, 2 days when the GH6 is finally released 8-|
@@tim1398 Boom...official specs of GH6 are 25mp and 6K video. New processor of course, so we'll see how that impacts focusing. I think OM will have better focusing while GH6 will have decent focusing and better everything else. Will have to wait for hands on reviews.
Chelsea has just called out a feature that would be brilliant - Airdrop on every camera. No need to battle through camera manufacturers’ apps. Drop a shot on your iPhone and go from there. Yes please!
The reason why the market for medium and larger format is so small is most people don’t care that larger formats are capable of delivering superior image quality when compared with full frame. That explains why the lens and camera offerings for larger formats are so sparse. For most people other attributes are more important than absolute image quality. The same reasoning applies in explaining the preference many people have for m43 and APS-C over full frame. Bottom line is using larger format systems does not necessarily translate into being able to capture more aesthetically pleasing images.
R5. Illuminated button option, 2 sec self timer red light flashing to off, lens alignment marker should glow in the dark - same for lens caps, improve durability of lens hoods, clearly check box lens capabilities and restrictions ie 14-35 cannot take multiple exposures
I found it normal because they make it look like a TV show than a review video on RUclips. If u watch Jimmy Night, etc. their is always a main camera with the red led light to catch the attention so that people will know which camera to look at.
I shoot in RAW and edit my images (like many other photographers) so the ability to upload straight to social media isn't a concern. Saying that, the fact wifi transfer from camera to smartphone is still a very frustrating experience really needs addressing by the camera companies.
I think you are on to something with merging smart phone functions into high end cameras. I have predicted that will be the real game changer in the camera industry. It’s my hope that Canon will be the first to do it. You are right. Imagine the power of smart apps on our cameras that would allow instant social sharing. Better yet, what about more rich AI by taking multiple shots and merging into the perfect image or other treats that smart phones can do like Timelapse functions and pano stitching. It would reopen the market to average users. Alas the reason they don’t is because they limit their addressable market to professionals and enthusiasts. They need to think about the addressable market differently.
When you look at the relatively compact form factor of the smartphone, there seems to be no reason that some of their GUI features and convenience cannot be incorporated in a larger mirrorless camera. Also what camera manufacturers need to emphasize is the vastly better image quality than the smartphone. That getting a mirrorless is a real investment, that you can build on which can be fun and vastly improve your understanding and skillset.
10000000000% agree about the Panasonic brand needing to fix their AF, love their cameras, but sadly for imagery we've switched to Sony. Hard to rely on a system that doesn't pull in focus when covering a live event like a wedding.
Tony :subject:Learn how to use your cellphone cameras:My Samsung S20 FE 5G : The photo app stop from taking a photo because it sensed the lens was dirty. Amazing. It was right. Yet another thing a cellphone can do better then any camera. We need smart cameras. Thoughts? Take care.
strong disagreement in regards to fujifilm. what fuji did with their medium format system is genious - shooting their medium format camera with an adapted sigma art 105mm 1.4 can create looks no other brand can, at the moment. in my view it was a big mistake of nikon, to do the same as sony and canon - they had this big mount - why not give people a bigger sensor inside? its important to have a unique selling position - there are tons of photographers using full frame today - if u are professional, u want to differentiate ure work. its not good when a beginner can buy a 600 dollar full frame body and create basically the same pictures... u want people to say "wow - these pictures look really special"
I will probably get a lot of flak for this comment, , but ( as a Canon shooter) I would like a stills based high end camera with adequate video specs as an option in their product line up, Most photographers I know seldom use their video but I also understand there are others that do, So my ideal camera would be a wow for stills with ,for example, great tethering capability, lightning fast wifi, great dynamic range and lowlight performance, fast accurate auto focus, fast shutter speeds, decent frame rates, high sync speed, and so on but then just decent 1080P capability for video, In essence it would be a whiz in the studio and outdoors , natural light and flash, macro, landscape etc and have a very basic video capability. Then the savings in cost and size for providing heat transfer and other video centric specifications could be used to provide the optimised stills capabilities. This would also assist Canon to not cannibalise their video cameras. Just my idea of the perfect camera :) !!
Selfish opinion, but I LOVE that Fuji devoted so many resources to medium format. Right now they're the main player pushing the envelope for IQ and "landscape" cameras with the gfx line. They brought the price of MF down to full frame range and modernized them (compared to what Hasselblad was doing). Hopefully in 2022 the big 3 start focusing on higher resolution cameras.
Sony just needs to improve rear LCD screen and IBIS (make it similar to Canon R5) and move to CFexpress Type B. It would be nice if Sony also improve their software by adding some computational photography modes: in camera pixel shift, focus bracketing, image stacking, HDR and lowlight multi shooting etc.
I just bought the new Sony A7IV. So far so good as it is replacing my higher megapixel camera the A7rII. I consider it improved in many ways over my previous full frame. It is a better camera than I am a photographer. I think you are right that Sony needs to bring the computational aspects of smartphones into their cameras. That is where they can outshine Cannon with nonprofessionals, especially.
I agree with everything here. It would be nice if they would add a smartphone interface to the cameras, and panasonic needs to get it together with their focus. I've owned a couple of the cameras but had to switch to Sony, due to the poor focusing in video. Also when these manufacturers make a hybrid camera that is more videocentric such as the gh series or the new Canon r5c, why not try to put some nd filters in there? Even my little sony zv1 has a single stage nd and I find it very helpful
There’s no thing such as a mistake. It’s a marketing thing where the next version is slightly better, but not overly better than the competition as well to keep you buying from them or else there will be no business. A perfect camera will mean you will stop buying from them in the future.
Hi Guys, When it comes to Fuji, one of their biggest mistakes is they did not open up their mount to third parties until too late. For example, I would love to see Sigma Art series lenses for the Fuji system, but only now is Sigma coming out lenses, and ones they already have on other systems. Basically, I feel that Fuji missed their popularity window to get third party manufactures on board. Additionally, when it comes to Fuji medium format, the lenses don't have more direct corollaries to full frame when it comes to lenses limiting system usefulness, like they don't have a equivalent lens to a 16-35 in full frame (however, i think it is on the road map). My point is in both MF and MFT the lenses they have come out with has limited Fuji's systems potential and adoptance. I think one problem Canon Mirrorless has is their lenses. No, don't get me wrong, the Canon lenses are great. However, the feeling I got from looking at the MTF charts is the lenses are made for the current system (45mp) having problems moving forward. My basis for this is in part the survey of some lenses from the various systems you(Tony) did several months ago Canon coming in (granted a close) third to Sony #1, and Nikon #2. In short, Sony and Nikon lenses (though not all Nikon lenses for the Z system) seem to be aiming for more megapixels in the future, so a better investment when it comes to lenses. Canon seems to be just good enough for the mirrorless system right now. For me, the biggest thing you mention are the apps (or lack of) supporting a given camera system. The overall lack of reliability and flexibility of apps is horrid and almost unforgivable. Apps on a smart device could add sooooooo much functionality, even to older equipment, that I feel apps will be the real thing that could change a camera system, so this is the one that that is missing. Additionally, it would be great to open an API so third parties could change/manipulate the camera to allow it to do new things lowering the cost of cameras over all, and through software teaching cameras new tricks. In my view, having Android (or whatever) on a camera is a bad idea, as just keeping it up to date is itself problematic over time. Additionally, individuals update their smart phones much more frequently basically allowing the camera to in part be upgraded along with it at a much lower price. So, strong communications is more important in my view.
Camera manufacturers don't market their gear like they used to, on magazines, or TV. Remember "Mind of Minolta" commercials? Great video. Sad you did not include Pentax. I'm a Nikon shooter but first started with Pentax.
I REALLY don't get why the camera wifi is so crappy. That should not be an issue at this point. I would love to hear what Sony has to say about that (as a Sony shooter).
Excellent video. I bought a Sony α7 IV after reaching the limits of my Canon M series cameras as I developed my RUclips channel. I am very happy with my new Sony camera, but I was totally shocked to find that a $2500 camera did not connect reliably or quickly to an app on my iPhone-and that even when it did connect, the app was clunky and not very useful for a solo content creator. I would love for a firmware update to solve this problem.
I wish people would stop saying "everyone is going mirrorless". The Nikon page I'm on constantly recommends a mirrorless for new photogs when they're looking for an intro/mid range camera. Mirrorless isn't the end all, I have no reason to replace my D5 or D500 right now and then have to get adaptors for my lenses as well.
I would like to see affordable mirrorless cameras and lenses. Not everyone can afford to drop $5000 on a new camera or $3000 on a new lens unless they are a professional photographer.
I wish they would focus a bit on lightening the weight of the gear but still allow for a top quality image. While trying to do what cell phones can't the gear is getting heavier and heavier, and I've never seen so many prime lenses coming out (it's like I missed the meeting where they said the world revolves around primes now). Sony has the A7C but only 24mp and no lightweight high quality zoom lenses to go with it. Canon has the RP but it's not a great sensor and while they make some lightweight zooms they almost went too far the other way and made them really cheap. Nikon has the 14-30mm and 24-200mm lenses, a great lightweight combo with great reviews, but no lightweight body with a good amount of megapixels. What I want is a Nikon Z7C that is the same size as the Sony A7C but with 45mp, and I'd buy the 14-30 and 24-200 in a heartbeat. Or Canon could put the R5 sensor in an RP body and I'd almost consider going back to Canon (although I swore never again, after all the feature crippling and market segmentation).
Tony and Chelsea: Camera's are build by hardware engineers and yes they have software but its really done by a hardware engineer and hence the primitive menus and interface. Android an IOS are built by massive teams of software engineers and they are not cheap and hence only two companies could afford them google and apple. Your best bet on ever getting a pro level smart camera is new pro camera startup led by a bunch of software geeks {similar to when Tesla started} and even that is long shot.
Agreed! Been there, seen that firsthand for the last 30+ years. Software gets little focus, and is generally considered to be just a necessary evil by companies that primarily develop hardware.
The start made me think of "Pulsing in the background, Panasonic auto-focus, hope no-one notices. Maybe they'll fix it in an update, made by a blind werewolf in his underwear. Pulsing in the background..."
You concerned that picture transfer via Wifi is so slow, compared to smartphones. But, what about the file size, even with RAW and full frame 45+ Megapixels. The data volume is compared to smarphones horrable. And with jpegs, ok might be better, but ther is als in most case a big difference in data volume,
Also there is one big misconception with the aperture, yes yes DOF is different between a m43 and FF, but a lens at 1.4 m43 and a lens at 1.4 FF lets in the same amount of light
I was a Canon shooter starting with the 10D, I later moved to a 6D along with a Rebel t4i spare but, I wanted more and was waiting for an upgrade and when the disappointing 5DIV came out I sold all my Canon stuff to KEH and went to a Sony A7RIII and I have been a happy Sony shooter ever since.
I was exactly the same 10D -> 20D -> 6D -> Sony A7 iii . I only moved to Sony because they blew the market away with Mirrorless on that launch, and the lenses were awesome too.
NOT everyone needs Video!!! I have yet to use Video on a DSLR.. You know why?? Because I don't shoot video for a living. I shoot stills. Why should I pay more for a feature I NEVER use?? I know I'm in a minority, but Video is NOT important to me.
@@marcus3d We are Paying for it, we are paying for R&D!! I know, I worked at a large Global Government Contractor as a Photographer in the early 90's, the client pays for the R&D in the end!!
I use the Panasonic G9. It's the GH5 with mo better auto focus and high speed action/sport shutter options. I've had it two years and still have only scratched the surface of what it can do. The EVF is ridiculously good. I actually attach mostly vintage glass to it. The digital punch in plus focus peaking allows me to nail focus easily. The Leica lenses for it are awesome but expensive. I'm looking to go full frame though and will probably pick-up a A7RII used to compliment it.
29:42 1. Automatically instantly connect with linked smartphone every time camera is turned on. 2. Implement security lock, so camera can't be used if stolen.
Nikon actually started mirrorless in 2011, before Canon but their first system was based on the small one inch sensor and it failed. Canon started in 2012 with the EOS M. It struggled for years until the M50 in 2018. Now canon is prisoner of the success of the M-series with two mounts. Nikon failed with the Nikon 1 so it could start with a clean table. I have criticism of auto white balance on Canon. Before they introduced the AWB-W option in 2018 they made orange on artificial light. That was for the mood. Their compact cameras always produced neutral.
Canon is not prisoner of the EOS-M system as it is the best sold mirrorless system. The problem of Nikon 1 system prove the biggest Achilles heel of Nikon, out of touch with consumers and dynamics of the market. Panasonic and Olympus introduced m43 and where very succesful, Fujifilm, Sony and Canon also went for a bigger sensor size. Nikon was so convinced of the superiority of DSLR that they even care to develop phase detect on their sensor as Canon did with the Dual Pixel AF. At the time of D850, their AF was solely based on dedicated AF sensor under the mirror where Canon cameras where better using their OSPDAF called Dual Pixel AF then their dedicated AF sensors under the mirror. This proved that Canon saw the rise of mirrorless. Canon first FF mirrorless used the same sensors as their DSLR as they had their Dual Pixel AF. Nikon needed to develop a sensor with OSPDAF as they were the only manufacturer without one.
Concerning your last critique, Sony, well same for all the brands integration of better software. Just got a interesting device that may fix most of this. The new Arsenal 2 Pro plugs into the camera, allows control via smartphone, quick uploads to social media and super creative new features only smartphones could do . But image quality of full frame! Still learning all the features but can’t wait to put it through its paces on a desert shoot.
I've been a Nikon shooter since 2003 when I bought my D-100. I never changed to another platform because I couldn't see myself investing in new lenses. I went through the progression D850 to Z7 and now Z9. I'm a wedding photographer and have a few Z6 and Z7. I absolutely HATE the snap bridge software. Please tell them to fix this nonsense. Maybe start from scratch. IT hurts my head to get this to work.
I’ve got both APSC (Fuji) and full frame (Pentax) and was doing some studio art work photography last week using both cameras with fast lenses and in the end it was the full frame photos that were the most pleasing because of the out of focus areas being smoother due mainly to the larger format sensor. I really enjoy the experience of shooting the Fuji but if I really want pop by separating subject from background (and I often do) then I’m grabbing the Pentax due the bigger sensor. The option to open up wide with a bigger sensor is so great to have
Which lenses were you using? The only thing that has changed with APSC about depth of field isolation is the number associated with it. So a Fuji X f1.4 or f1.2 or f1.0 lens will give you the equivalent or even more isolation than a full frame f2.0 lens.
@@IcarusLime I think most experienced photographers are very aware of the sensor dimension / aperture relationship. I remember it well from when I was shooting 6x6 medium formal and SLRs in the 90s. I’ve got multiple fast-ish primes for both systems. On this shoot I was using the 35mm f/2 on Fuji APS-C at f/2 and 55mm f/1.4 on Pentax FF at f/2. Image called for subject isolation and both did it but the Pentax I could stop down one stop (and it’s edge to edge is average at f/1.4) and still give a slightly smoother background. Wasn’t a lot in it but it was the more pleasing image. If just waking about - say on family holiday with the kids - I can use a slow zoom (f/3.5 - 5.6 range) on full frame and still get some background isolation at mid-long focal lengths than I can on APS-C unless I’m using one of the primes. I’ve also got Olympus M43 camera and that really demands f/1.4 lenses to get background isolation. On full frame the ability is there all the time. But then the reverse is true when looking for big DOF say in a landscape. You really have to stop down an extra stop for the same AOV. Horses for courses.
I actually remember around 2014/2015(?) I was selling cameras at Best Buy and they had a couple of cameras from Samsung that operated just like a Samsung smart phone. I hated it, but maybe with more modern tech a smartphone powered ILC could be workable? There was also a lens that housed its own camera sensor at the time which would snap onto the back of your phone and operate via NFC/BT if I recall. My biggest criticism of Canon(and the reason I shoot Nikon instead) comes down to their read noise and shadow banding. As a night scape and Astro photographer, shadows are my bread and butter and pushing shadows in post is important to me. Canon’s issues with shadows have been a turn off even though I feel like everything else would be better. For reference I shoot a Nikon D750 which I am 85% happy with. I wish the articulating screen wasn’t on a single axis, but multiaxis like the t5i or the d5x00
Fuji just needs to keep improving their autofocus on their gfx medium format cameras.it’s actually great for medium format lol. But if they could get it closer to full frame quality they would just crush FF completely. Especially since the prices are getting so close to each other anyways
Hey Chelsea & Tony! I have been binge watching tens of your videos throughout time in the past week, and have to say both of you have aged beautifully. You are informative, kind, honest and pretty handsome. Keep up the great work!
Hey guys, Nikon D850 is a great camera, but what about D700? Maybe you have one by any chance? It's kinda hard to find in my country in reasonable price range 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
Nice video guys, my complaint is why the R5 & R6 can record while live streaming when the Sony A73 which years older can... So when you guess get your hands on the R5C test that please cause the Sony A74 can do it. Thanks.
Do Tony or Chelsea ever participate in the comments. This is the first time I’ve become aware of them. Their work is fantastic. And I found this video incredibly timely and valuable for me. So I wanted to ask a question here in the comments. However, looking through the comments on this video, I’ve been unable to locate even a single response from them. To those of you who are regulars… what gives?
I love Olympus - size, quality, retro,ease of use, so much to love etc but what could they do better? - Give us better lens choice at the quality level that is not the ridiculous pricing of pro lens range. There needs to be a wider choice of f2 - f3 in zoom at reasonable pricing.
I have an old Canon DSLR. Because I also own a couple of L lenses, every couple of years I look into buying one of their new models. Every time I decide against it because - incredibly, in my opinion - they don’t have GPS/geotagging, and I cannot easily transfer my photos to the web or to my phone. It’s a huge, massive mistake on their part.
I don´t think Fujis "BIGGEST" mistake is sensor size. Sure, it does have some effect, but it gives them a very well reserved niche in the mirrorless world. What I struggle more with, with Fuji, is their AF and "full package". Don´t get me wrong, the X-T4 made a lot of things work really well, but it´s video AF was sometimes worse than the AF on my X-T3. But while the X-T4 got IBIS, Fuji in general lacks a camera that is geared towards "pro work" and has it all. Fast and reliable AF, greater battery life than the X-T4, deeper grip, full video quality options and much more are already there - even in the Fuji line - but never in the same camera. There´s no offers for higher MP cameras aside from the GFX line, no true "low budget line" either. Buying used Fuji gear often ends up being so much more worth than what you´d otherwise get right from them. For most work I still shoot my Sony for that reason - it delivers all of what I need (especially serial images with good AF). This is not to say that I think Sony does everything better. Not by a long shot. But Fuji is still what I have most fun with and get the most interesting, though not best, results from, so I use them both. I also have a Lumix flying around, which is desperately waiting for another use than taking it on a walk because I feel like it. Olympus, Nikon and Canon are mostly left to really own, but having a working Sony System at the moment I don´t feel the need to switch. I used Canon and Nikon before and while their newer systems really impressed me when i tried them out, I just didn´t have the need for it right now. All in all, yes, all those manufactures have their flaws and everyone sees their biggest flaws in different spots, but if we had "the perfect camera", what would be left?
DfD is supposed to know which way to go, unlike just CDAF. But it seems difficult to get it right. However the advantage is you don't need to pepper you're pixels with PD sites, there has been several articles done about the banding those missing pixels can cause.
INTERNAL STORAGE!!! There is no reason why in 2022 every camera doesn’t have at least 500GB-1TB of internal storage. Computers left behind removable storage over a decade ago, why are cameras so far behind?
Ok, I agree with you as far as Olympus marketing is concerned. But then you also have to be honest now and admit that it's also nonsense to compare the great weatherproof and not focus point limited 300mm4.0 with the cheap 800mm 11.0, otherwise your argument is no better than Olympus itself
Funny how in the USA many youtubers struggle to get cameras. Here in Shanghai you can find Z9’s in stores easily. All brands are great, and the most important thing is you can get the job done with all of them! Great video!!
I still have panasonic G1 that i got late 2008 and i still use it often, i also have Mercedes A 160 from 1999 among other vehicles, it needs some welding from time to time and it´s fun to do so. Same with G1, love it still, it is the camera i fell in love with photography, i suppose new things are great, but there is nothing preventing you taking a 100mpix picture with G1 if you do the work. love to you all from Finland:)
I am surprised that you did not bring up security, this is not only something that can be copied from smartphones but should go beyond that to include lenses. This is also something all camera manufacturers failed at and since Nikon and Canon were late to the mirrorless party they could have made security part of their new mounts. Speaking of Nikon and Canon, they still fail to see the big success Sony has by opening the E-Mount to 3rd party lens makers.
So, I went back in time and watch your Olympus OM-D E-M10 Review you told us to see - and Tony, I have only one question for you. The watch!? I simply have to ask about the watch.
There have been some attempts at combining smart phones and cameras but for some reason they got discontinued i.e. the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom and the Sony QX1 & QX30 (which were lens systems that mounted to the back of your phone and paired via WI-FI)
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There is one thing I would love to see ALL camera manufacturers do. That is to improve their camera manuals so they actually explain WHY to use each feature, not just how to use it. While they're at it, they should hire some editors who can write native language versions of the manuals.
There is someone that actually read the manual?😳🤯😱
Olympus manuals usually have something like this.
my R6 manul is 8 0r 900 hundred pagers ..i just google what i want to know its way faster..and i can do it in the field
Good point ,I actual bought a book [500 pages] on my pacific camera whish has been great for learning
Yep. About 22% of Americans read manuals, provided they are written well. The others learn by screw-up.
Building up more software competence is the biggest mistake of all of them. Not only quick sharing in social media but also computational photography like automatically combining a black-and-white short shutter photo with a long shutter color photo to an better night time shot like probably most smartphones do. That's why they still keep loosing more and more market share to the smartphones.
Well, that's ironic...considering cellphone performance is all about the software.
this is true
Photographers want decent prints.
Talking about Olympus (now OM) at 9:56 ... you made a big call in this Video, that I really respect: "I don't care for sensor size, I care for results". Lately you recommended the Canon R6 as a better option to the new OM-1. You said you'll test the OM-1. I'd love to see a in depth bird fotography comparison from you both! Maybe you could include the Olympus 100-400 mm f5.0 - 6.3 Zoom Lens and the Canon RF 100-400 f/5.6-8 IS USM Zoom Lens with 2x converter for the Canon, because I think Zoom Lenses are the better option for finding birds. Same basic price, range and weight for both sets with the Canon 2x converter, good time to show the picture quality advantage of a modern FF camera, while staying at the same price and weight of the MFT competitor.
Winter is over, the weather gets better by the day - grab the two cameras with these Lenses and show us the difference in real world results! Bokeh, Stabilization for stills and Video, Image Noise and loss of detail at high ISO in dim light and fog, High speed pictures of fast moving wings, Hit rate for starting birds using the pro capture option, handheld Hi Res function used on birds... show us if they are just OM marketing gags, or if they are actually usable features. Its not about winning, I wouldn't mind to see the Canon R6 to succeed.
For the shooters with the big pockets you could make a third category going along as a kind of "best of industry" reference - choose whatever you want or have: The R5, the Z9, the Sony A1 with high end Zoom glass... use it as an expamle on how far off from the two budget cameras the high priced optimum actually is. Of course: Compareable distance and light conditions.
Well, I am from a software and hardware background. You'd be surprised the latest cameras are at least 5-6 generations behind the latest mobile processors like Qualcomm 8 Gen 1. These come with an 18bit ISP single camera up to 200 megapixels, can process 8k @ 30 fps and 4k @ 120 fps. It has a built-in cellular 5g modem, Wifi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2, lossless AptX audio and a host of hardware accelerators like h264, h265 etc. The chip can drive dual displays eg. EVF + monitor and costs like 70 USD in bulk. The chip also supports PCIE4 and low voltage RAM like LPDDR5. It would make an awesome camera phone (unlike a phone camera). Additional hardware accelerators can be built using FPGA which are quite widely used in signal processing. Processing 8k video is not that a large problem when compared to other domains. 45 megapixels @ 16 * 3 (RGB) bit per pixel @ 60 frames per second generates about 16.2 gigabytes of data per second. Most of the mid-range commodity FPGA can process this data with some effort like colour space conversion, de-interlacing, gamma correction, clipping, chroma resampling, synchronization-and remove temporal and spectral noise from the video using 2D Filter etc. All points to a fact that most of these companies are in Japan would need fresh startups to disrupt the market.
Maybe processing the data coming from much bigger sensors requires different processing. I'm not an engineer but I can imagine that the engineers who work for these companies know what they are doing. Also, rendering a nice image is not only about resolution or frame rate, I use a Sony a1 (50MP photo, 8K video, fast reliable af, 30fps burst etc.) and I also use a Fuji x100v (26MP apsc) and I often enjoy the Fuji images more
Tony has mentioned how Japan has a culture that sees coding as blue collar work, and that since WW2, camera companies have a craftsmanship significance. Causing the companies to drift behind in computational imaging. So i bet he 100% agrees with what you're saying.
@@kristofkollar4431 true.. the camera interface of small sensors are different to that of large mirrorless sensors. If a company want to leverage the mobile phone SOC nothing is preventing them .. mobile phone market is quite big, every sensor manufacturer has IP which can be used for larger sensors. Regarding the colours, it is actually colour management only. ISO is fake - true. All sensors has only 1 or 2 native analogue gain in the ADC stage. One can create a tri-gain or quad-gain senor (gains are in steps) but not variable gain. Hence ISO is after data acquisition in the processing pipelines. Every camera company has their fine-tuning of voltage reference to ADC, gain circuit in the circuit etc that results in better low light performance etc. ISO processed in-camera vs lightroom are different .. camera may follow a different algorithm and known parameters when processing for ISO than what lightroom will do. AI denoising and scaling is the next frontier :))
@@jonniecandito181 very true .. running a business is like keeping a fine balance between innovation and mass appeal products. It seems they should have their R&D centres elsewhere or perhaps should have collaborated with universities.
"I did not take part in the math."
Chelsea is my favorite person, ever.
More intuitive usability, ergonomic controls and modern software functions, like filters and sharing, are the areas in need of revolutionary change. Why do the dials feel like cheese graders? Why cant I use digital zoom in photo mode? Why is transfer to phone so unintuitive? I think they need to test these cameras with people who have not been using them for thirty years. They need fresh eyes on this.
I am getting great results from my Fujifilm X-T4, X100V, X-H1, and GFX50R. I have purchased premium lenses for both the X-Mount and GF Mount. I sold my SonyA7R2, A6500, and A7II and switched to the Canon EOS 5DS, 5D Mark IV, and EOS R. And I switched from Canon to Fujifilms and I feel that I have found the best camera system for me (Fujifilm). Many photographers rely on eye detection so much that their composition is suffering. They shoot with one hand, waiting for the confirmation of eye detection. It's tough to nail composition holding the camera with one hand. :) lol, I barely turn on eye detection, I don't need it to take a great photo. For so many years as a DSLR shooter, you did not have eye detection.
Panasonic user here. I love Panasonic cameras, I think they offer the best bang-per-buck in terms of features. I also come from a background of manually pulling focus. The rumoured continued use of DFD in the GH6 makes me very sad. If we have PDAF we at least have the option of simply turning it off for filming in controlled conditions. It's sad that it's a hill they want to die on. I love my S5 and S1 but PD would be the cherry on top.
I own 12 Lumix cameras. Nothing can beat Panasonic as far as quality matters.
actually...I found the Lumix phone app pretty good. both for controlling the camera and for transferring pictures from camera to phone. transferring individual pics to phone works pretty easily and happens off of the camera's wifi. there are some kinks. the camera on your home network wifi never worked well for me. but directly connected to your phone by the camera's wifi has always been solid and fast.
As a sony user I feel their biggest mistake is their pricing on the CF-Type A cards, considering they are slower and the cost/MB vs CF-Type B is so ridiculously high. There nothing exciting about paying for another $1200AUD for x2 160GB to maximise the use of Sony latest camera.
It's not 'their' pricing...the market has decided the floor price...not Sony. Look at other CF cards not by Sony...same price pretty much. Buy a Pro grade CF express...about the same as Sony...or anyone else.
@@JACKnJESUS not necessarily the price as much as the decision to go with the smaller type A cards rather than find a way to go type b which are both faster and cheaper.
Tell the OP not me. He's obviously concerned about the pricing. As for speed...pretty sure 700MB/sec will get you where you want to go. If someone tells you 700MB/sec isn't fast enough...run away...they don't know what they are talking about. Fact is...with CF-A's when shooting uncompressed RAW images at 70MB resolution ...you never hit the buffer limit...ever. Just shoot away. No one shoots that way of course...no one that knows what they are doing anyway. CF-A is new...it will fall in price. I only mention price for you because at the end of comment...you mentioned it as well.
I appreciated your comments on the first roll-out of the Nikon Z cameras. I bought a Z6, thinking that it would bring all of the Nikon "goodness" that I had experienced with the DSLRs to the mirrorless world. But it was not to be. Compared to other systems that I owned (e.g., Fujifilm), the performance was atrocious. That experience combined with the extremely expensive Z mount lenses, basically soured me on Nikon. The result - in June 2021, I sold all of my Nikon equipment - equipment built over 35 years - moved over to the Sony. What Nikon did not seem to understand is that it lost customers like myself. I wish that Nikon had recognized these bad experiences and worked at retaining the early adopters of the Z mount. But, that was not to be.
It was a total shame how badly Nikon blew their initial attempts at mirrorless, and they're definitely still struggling to catch up. But on-going firmware updates and the Z9 may finally be starting to change things. After 40+ years with Nikon I came close to just jumping ship, but instead just delayed my switch to mirrorless until very recently. When making that decision I compared mirrorless lens prices since lens investment is such a huge factor. Z lenses are expensive, but as of this moment the equivalent Canon and Sony are all in the same ballpark. Some a little more than the equivalent Nikon, some a little less.
Yes me too. Was a loyal Nikon user for 28 years. Loved the system, honestly never thought I'd change. Saw how Sony was killing it by mk.iii and a9. Waited eagerly for N's response, especially after the much hyped Z-mount (Tron like imagery and hyped theoretical spec), only to be disappointed with the underwhelming z6/7. Also their lens map looked slow and lackluster. I knew that native glass was always superior to adapted so whatever else I did I knew my F glass needed to be sold asap before the market in used F glass fell too far. So sold 3 Nikon bodies and about 12 lenses and bought into Sony. Never looked back and don't ever expect to switch again as I can't see Sony just 'dropping the ball'.
I did keep one F3, one F5 and a couple of manual focus lenses as a memento of Nikon's heyday - just bookshelf ornaments now.
@@gerrys6318 I admire your patience. But, even now, Nikon is "screwing" things up. Consider their release of the Z9. According to every report, this is a great camera - in some ways the equivalent of the Canon R5 and the Sony A7R IVa. Yet, to get one of these cameras, you have to be a registered Nikon pro (as pointed out in the video). For everyone else (me included - I am a professor of supply chain management), your options are either to wait until later on this year (maybe) or to go on Ebay and pay huge markups to others for a Z9 (Jared on RUclips joked about this as a strategy for making money). Just look at Sony's experiences with the Sony Playstation V. Over a year after its launch, it has yet to get its order fulfillment and supply chain strategy in order (in contrast to Microsoft). The result - it has significantly upset a large portion of its customer base. When you release a great product, after such a horrid initial release (Z6/Z7), you need to make sure that the products are there to meet demand. People want the product; give it to them. Reap the innovation tax. This was not the case. Reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld involving the soup shop owner - no Nikon Z9 for you! One more point - both Canon and Sony understood the need to release an "every person camera" in addition to their flagship. For Canon, it was the R6; for Sony, it was the A7R III/IV or the A7R IVa. Where was the "every person" camera when Nikon released the Z9? So, great points but I still have given up on Nikon.
I just want to add my 2 cents to the debate and say, that the wifi capabilities are really a big problem. Even for professionals, photojournalists often have to deliver live images from events like protests, press conferences ect. But it takes so long to transfer photos to my phone from my Nikon and everytime I import, it reimports all the previews, so if you transfer 300 images and 20 images later, you have to send another picture to your editor, then you have to import 320 previews and its just so annoying. All Im saying is, the wifi capabilities are really crucial for many peoples work and it should be one of the priorities to fix this.
yes. this. connectivity. even having qi charging would be interesting. you put a camera in your bag and it starts charging. or on a little mount on a shelf. just much more thought.
Yes!
Tony; “Canon and Sony have been one and two since the 80s”. What? Sony didn’t make SLRs. They didn’t make them in the 80s or 90s and it wasn’t until Minolta decided to get out early in the digital age that Sony bought the mount and got started in DSLRs. Yes they were into DV up to professional level way back, but not stills cameras.
Sony bought Konica-Minolta. So earlier Sony-cameras were just Minolta Alpha's rebranded.
I think the biggest mistake ALL the manufacturers are making at the moment is thinking that, during a pandemic where incomes on all levels are negatively impacted, what photographers need is $3000 or $4000 or $6000 cameras. "Have a Z7 II." "But I can't even afford a Z50." "Oh, then maybe a Z9?"
Yet the new releases are getting sold out nonetheless, I think cameras at those prices you mentioned are definitely geared towards professionals and not hobbyists.
I won’t say they’re not might expensive though because they are.
@@traviswallace Yes, people love to talk about how everything should be cheaper during the pandemic, but everything is totally sold out. You can’t buy these cameras anywhere.
@@DieHardEddieEdwards Chopz, did you read your comment before you posted? Because you are coming across as hyperbolic and condescending. I'm sure that wasn't your intention; you probably need to engage more in the editorial process. Thanks for your comment!
@@traviswallace There in lies my thinking as well, Travis. The professional is the only photographer to whom camera companies are catering. The hobbyist has been somewhat forgotten of late. We are still a legitimate market, but many of us don't want to spend pro money for our next cameras. It's not a big deal, but I thought it noteworthy...
Ah, yes. I get your perspective. The hobbyist and non pro consumers are left fishing in the outskirts of the pool. I totally understand, there’s been a ton of releases since the pandemic for sure.
We are still a legitimate market, I’d go as far as to say the hobbyist are the ones actually fighting to buy the latest and greatest just to make quality content to get further in their pursuit.
Canon is sooo great, they even REMOVED SAVE SETTINGS from R6 which i had on old CHEAPER DSLRs so one has to reconfigure the entire camera from scratch if it resets! Stupidity at its brightest! Not to mention the nerfing of shooting speed on the entire R3/5/6 line if battery goes under 50% Canon prioritized BATERY LIFE over ability to shoot fast? FFS, who wants to save battery but not be able to take photos! And this is a hardcoded software 'powersaving' mode. I rather be able to shoot at full speed another 30 minutes than have a half-full battery which can't shoot at all or take single shots at 2fps! Ah well, is it a half-full battery really, or a software lie telling you u have 50% when infact u have more like 20%? If this is how they 'fix' battery life, no thanks. Now i buy 3rd party batteries because all of them become useless at 50%, so i have to change 4 batteries a day to be able to shoot normal, and i am not paying 100 bucks for Canon craplife batteries when i get the same for 20 bucks, 50% is all i need of each one!
I would add the Samsung NX1, amazing specs, phase detect autofocus and 6k downsampled to 4k before anyone else was doing it (and 10bit hdmi out)...........but no log mode despite the good BSI sensor (only had 40megabit internal codec at launch, can now shoot 180 megabit with the firmware mod), lenses where also fly by wire with no way to adapt electronic ef lenses and have them work. I think an nx to ef mount would have saved it (being able to use canon lenses with an adapter on sony made switching easier). NX1 felt so close, shame Samsung never followed up with a NX2
Yeah
Agreed
@@RiceCake-ep9gu Sony makes the sensors in a lot of Samsungs tho... and software is 85% of a phone's camera quality
I got my Z9 two weeks ago, although I'm not a pro or NPS member.
I am a Sony and Fuji user, love the feeling of shooting with Fuji with all the physical buttons, love colors also but the AF needs to catch up, as you said, lenses should be faster.
Fuji:
1. Better and faster AF
2. Faster Lenses
4. Faster and more intuitive image transfer to smartphone!
5. Better menu
6. Fix that bizarre look of images when you zoom closer, (foliage!?)
Sony are great cameras, great AF but all the brands are not there yet when the AF acquisition is in question! Between the touch of the button and the focus acquisition my EOS 5D MK III was way faster though not as accurate.
It’s irritating when tou see the A7IV, A7RIV, A9II, A1?! I mean was the A9 series supposed to be the sports one? Than they hold up features as Canon does!
Ok you can keep 30fps to A1 but the snappier AF should be also at the A7R series!
Sony:
1. Needed better menu
2. Faster and more intuitive image transfer to smartphone!
3. Faster and snappier AF!
In fact, Olympus/OM Systems never claims that a premium 300mm f4 m43 lens offers image quality equivalent to that of a premium 600mm f4 FF lens. That is a straw man argument. Instead, Olympus claims the m43 offering is much smaller. Do people use lenses like these in similar situations? Absolutely. People have captured excellent images with both kinds of lenses.
I'm in both Sony and Canon ecosystems. By far, aside from the canon R5 overheating debacle, the biggest issue with both systems is the wifi, smartphone control, and transfer. This makes no sense at all. I can make phone calls and get internet on my $400 LTE smart watch. We're buying $4,000-$5,000 cameras that can't complete this simple task? Steal a page from the cell phone playbook. Put a sim card in these things and let us share our images....
Exactly.
It's true. Time for cell phones and mirrorless cameras to merge. These 1985 (1995 if I'm being generous) user interfaces, menus, connectivity, rear screen sizes/resolutions, etc need to dramatically improve, especially with Sony.
I agree with so much of this. I have a Nikon D780 and I think I'll have to go and do the equivalent of a university course to be able to use the remote shutter provided by SnapBridge. It was so much easier on my D750, I could just use a cheap remote release from Amazon. I wonder why they are making the practical things more difficult
I'm using a Nikon Z6 II and there's one feature that annoys me everytime I wanna use it. It's the wireless control of the camera. It takes me always ages to setup just the wifi connection and when it finally works I usually stumble over error messages complaining about the mode I'm in. E g. Manual mode isn't supported, but why?!
Just a couple of days ago I wanted to take a photo of me and my friends. After several minutes of failure, we ended up using a 10 second timer, because we were unable to get the feature to work.
#1 gripe would be wireless connections. How hard is it to make a wireless connection between two devices and share data? I should be able to get home from a shoot, turn the camera on and have all my images sent to the home photo server (PC/Laptop/Backup drive) without removing cards or connecting cables.
The connection between my D850 and my iPad is cool when I am "on location", albeit a bit clunky to get going.
It's funny how Tony talks about Olympus lens size. Some good micro 4/3 rds are much smaller for equivalent focal length. They have dimmer equiv aperture, yes. But much smaller and lighter. Example = Olympus 300mm f/4 PRO - 3.25 lb vs. Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM - 6.7 lb . You can add tele converters to BOTH.
Sony does not make a 600mm f/5.6 or f/8 which would be equivalent aperture.
I think I see their point though. When they first came out that was their thing. Now it’s not nearly as impressive. But you can definitely tell a difference. I tried to switch to Sony and it was way bigger and bulkier for what I wanted/need and have stayed I the Olympus space. Excited for the Om-1!!
I just want the same long lasting, thousands of shots worth, extended battery power that every Nikon DSLR gives me. I left the DSLR and embraced the Sony A6000 system many years ago. Instant Live View? I love it. Astonishingly quick and accurate autofocus? love it. Movie quality? Bloody love it, man, love it, love it, love it. But the battery power is pathetically short, way too short. Sony (and most mirrorless camera manufacturers) need to pack 5-7 times more power into these tiny batteries. I'm telling you, man, currently (sic) this lack of battery power sucks Camel Balls. "Battery exhausted" my ass - sort the bloody problem out. Sony - if you're reading this (I very much doubt it) offer a battery grip with larger batteries for the A6xxxx range. Not that I want the extra weight, but I'll take what I can get until you sort this mess out.
They all missed out on computational photography. No excuse in 2022 to pay $1000s for camera software designs dating back to the early 2000s. Particularly the inability to blend 10s of exposures in a split second yielding a single raw file with insane DR. Yeah go do bracketing and some other backward techniques from the cave era. Nope, not buying any pro camera until this issue is addressed. At least address it in the 1” sensor cameras. Can’t wait for Apple or Google to come up with a FF dedicated camera, even with a fixed focal length lens I’d be first to switch.
I suspect what Lumix is doing is perfected DFD to the point where it's actually more advantageous than PD. Then they'll have a lock (and license) on a superior tech. This may be wishful thinking, but it's the only reason I can think of as to why they've doggedly stuck with it. If it eventually outperforms PD it will catapult Panasonic to the forefront. Not just because people will buy Lumix cameras, but because of other applications where they license their DFD to other companies.
I agree. Sensor reading speed will go up, focusing speed will go up and when they’re high enough they’ll be competitive at least.
That appears to the road they're on. I worry that in typical Japanese style the will refuse to admit their wrong even if they realize it's a dead end. Detecting focus direction based on defocused images seems like very little to hang your hat on. And how do you know that fuzzy blob is the bird? But the advantage is you don't need to waste pixel sites with phase detectors.
@@tim1398 You're making it hard to tell the difference between American and Japanese styles lol. I guess time will tell all. Namely, 2 days when the GH6 is finally released 8-|
@@tim1398 Boom...official specs of GH6 are 25mp and 6K video. New processor of course, so we'll see how that impacts focusing. I think OM will have better focusing while GH6 will have decent focusing and better everything else. Will have to wait for hands on reviews.
Chelsea has just called out a feature that would be brilliant - Airdrop on every camera. No need to battle through camera manufacturers’ apps. Drop a shot on your iPhone and go from there. Yes please!
The reason why the market for medium and larger format is so small is most people don’t care that larger formats are capable of delivering superior image quality when compared with full frame. That explains why the lens and camera offerings for larger formats are so sparse. For most people other attributes are more important than absolute image quality. The same reasoning applies in explaining the preference many people have for m43 and APS-C over full frame. Bottom line is using larger format systems does not necessarily translate into being able to capture more aesthetically pleasing images.
Nah, its small because its significantly more expensive to get in to.
R5. Illuminated button option, 2 sec self timer red light flashing to off, lens alignment marker should glow in the dark - same for lens caps, improve durability of lens hoods, clearly check box lens capabilities and restrictions ie 14-35 cannot take multiple exposures
It looks a bit weird when you look into another camera than that you're cutting to.
I found it normal because they make it look like a TV show than a review video on RUclips.
If u watch Jimmy Night, etc. their is always a main camera with the red led light to catch the attention so that people will know which camera to look at.
The biggest complaint would be limited and non existent transfer of photos to social media.👍😊
I shoot in RAW and edit my images (like many other photographers) so the ability to upload straight to social media isn't a concern. Saying that, the fact wifi transfer from camera to smartphone is still a very frustrating experience really needs addressing by the camera companies.
I think you are on to something with merging smart phone functions into high end cameras. I have predicted that will be the real game changer in the camera industry. It’s my hope that Canon will be the first to do it. You are right. Imagine the power of smart apps on our cameras that would allow instant social sharing. Better yet, what about more rich AI by taking multiple shots and merging into the perfect image or other treats that smart phones can do like Timelapse functions and pano stitching. It would reopen the market to average users. Alas the reason they don’t is because they limit their addressable market to professionals and enthusiasts. They need to think about the addressable market differently.
“You nerd it up, people love it”
It’s why I’m here. The non-nerdy, too. Great balance.
"Johanna Zamora" ...what a rock star name. Love it
Sony should have further developed the RGBE sensor in the F828 camera. It’s the only camera with the 4-color filter…. I made a whole vid about it
Wow I never knew that camera existed…
The Sony F828 is such a unique camera… your video mentions the Raw conversion. How do i get the old Sony software?
@@ReginaldEsque I have the original disc that came with the camera… It maintains the color setting same as in camera
When you look at the relatively compact form factor of the smartphone, there seems to be no reason that some of their GUI features and convenience cannot be incorporated in a larger mirrorless camera. Also what camera manufacturers need to emphasize is the vastly better image quality than the smartphone. That getting a mirrorless is a real investment, that you can build on which can be fun and vastly improve your understanding and skillset.
7:52 - Chelsea said out loud what we were all thinking when Tony said that line.
10000000000% agree about the Panasonic brand needing to fix their AF, love their cameras, but sadly for imagery we've switched to Sony. Hard to rely on a system that doesn't pull in focus when covering a live event like a wedding.
Tony :subject:Learn how to use your cellphone cameras:My Samsung S20 FE 5G : The photo app stop from taking a photo because it sensed the lens was dirty. Amazing. It was right. Yet another thing a cellphone can do better then any camera. We need smart cameras. Thoughts? Take care.
strong disagreement in regards to fujifilm. what fuji did with their medium format system is genious - shooting their medium format camera with an adapted sigma art 105mm 1.4 can create looks no other brand can, at the moment. in my view it was a big mistake of nikon, to do the same as sony and canon - they had this big mount - why not give people a bigger sensor inside? its important to have a unique selling position - there are tons of photographers using full frame today - if u are professional, u want to differentiate ure work. its not good when a beginner can buy a 600 dollar full frame body and create basically the same pictures... u want people to say "wow - these pictures look really special"
What the heck, it's 1080p. Why do I need 4k monitor if the video is low res?
I will probably get a lot of flak for this comment, , but ( as a Canon shooter) I would like a stills based high end camera with adequate video specs as an option in their product line up, Most photographers I know seldom use their video but I also understand there are others that do,
So my ideal camera would be a wow for stills with ,for example, great tethering capability, lightning fast wifi, great dynamic range and lowlight performance, fast accurate auto focus, fast shutter speeds, decent frame rates, high sync speed, and so on but then just decent 1080P capability for video, In essence it would be a whiz in the studio and outdoors , natural light and flash, macro, landscape etc and have a very basic video capability.
Then the savings in cost and size for providing heat transfer and other video centric specifications could be used to provide the optimised stills capabilities. This would also assist Canon to not cannibalise their video cameras.
Just my idea of the perfect camera :) !!
Selfish opinion, but I LOVE that Fuji devoted so many resources to medium format. Right now they're the main player pushing the envelope for IQ and "landscape" cameras with the gfx line. They brought the price of MF down to full frame range and modernized them (compared to what Hasselblad was doing). Hopefully in 2022 the big 3 start focusing on higher resolution cameras.
Sony just needs to improve rear LCD screen and IBIS (make it similar to Canon R5) and move to CFexpress Type B. It would be nice if Sony also improve their software by adding some computational photography modes: in camera pixel shift, focus bracketing, image stacking, HDR and lowlight multi shooting etc.
Good, objective vid! I was looking for a Nikon D850 last fall, no where to be found. Then, in January, back on the shelves.
I just bought the new Sony A7IV. So far so good as it is replacing my higher megapixel camera the A7rII. I consider it improved in many ways over my previous full frame. It is a better camera than I am a photographer. I think you are right that Sony needs to bring the computational aspects of smartphones into their cameras. That is where they can outshine Cannon with nonprofessionals, especially.
I agree with everything here. It would be nice if they would add a smartphone interface to the cameras, and panasonic needs to get it together with their focus. I've owned a couple of the cameras but had to switch to Sony, due to the poor focusing in video. Also when these manufacturers make a hybrid camera that is more videocentric such as the gh series or the new Canon r5c, why not try to put some nd filters in there? Even my little sony zv1 has a single stage nd and I find it very helpful
I'm with you on the software, esp. the picture transfer / publish situation. Maybe you want to check out the Zeiss ZX-1 in that regard.
There’s no thing such as a mistake. It’s a marketing thing where the next version is slightly better, but not overly better than the competition as well to keep you buying from them or else there will be no business. A perfect camera will mean you will stop buying from them in the future.
Hi Guys, When it comes to Fuji, one of their biggest mistakes is they did not open up their mount to third parties until too late. For example, I would love to see Sigma Art series lenses for the Fuji system, but only now is Sigma coming out lenses, and ones they already have on other systems. Basically, I feel that Fuji missed their popularity window to get third party manufactures on board.
Additionally, when it comes to Fuji medium format, the lenses don't have more direct corollaries to full frame when it comes to lenses limiting system usefulness, like they don't have a equivalent lens to a 16-35 in full frame (however, i think it is on the road map). My point is in both MF and MFT the lenses they have come out with has limited Fuji's systems potential and adoptance.
I think one problem Canon Mirrorless has is their lenses. No, don't get me wrong, the Canon lenses are great. However, the feeling I got from looking at the MTF charts is the lenses are made for the current system (45mp) having problems moving forward. My basis for this is in part the survey of some lenses from the various systems you(Tony) did several months ago Canon coming in (granted a close) third to Sony #1, and Nikon #2. In short, Sony and Nikon lenses (though not all Nikon lenses for the Z system) seem to be aiming for more megapixels in the future, so a better investment when it comes to lenses. Canon seems to be just good enough for the mirrorless system right now.
For me, the biggest thing you mention are the apps (or lack of) supporting a given camera system. The overall lack of reliability and flexibility of apps is horrid and almost unforgivable. Apps on a smart device could add sooooooo much functionality, even to older equipment, that I feel apps will be the real thing that could change a camera system, so this is the one that that is missing. Additionally, it would be great to open an API so third parties could change/manipulate the camera to allow it to do new things lowering the cost of cameras over all, and through software teaching cameras new tricks.
In my view, having Android (or whatever) on a camera is a bad idea, as just keeping it up to date is itself problematic over time. Additionally, individuals update their smart phones much more frequently basically allowing the camera to in part be upgraded along with it at a much lower price. So, strong communications is more important in my view.
Camera manufacturers don't market their gear like they used to, on magazines, or TV. Remember "Mind of Minolta" commercials? Great video. Sad you did not include Pentax. I'm a Nikon shooter but first started with Pentax.
9:23pm here in the UK and and I'm just about to go to work and start the night shift.
And now I get to start it the right way watching you guys first!
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I REALLY don't get why the camera wifi is so crappy. That should not be an issue at this point. I would love to hear what Sony has to say about that (as a Sony shooter).
Excellent video. I bought a Sony α7 IV after reaching the limits of my Canon M series cameras as I developed my RUclips channel. I am very happy with my new Sony camera, but I was totally shocked to find that a $2500 camera did not connect reliably or quickly to an app on my iPhone-and that even when it did connect, the app was clunky and not very useful for a solo content creator. I would love for a firmware update to solve this problem.
I use camrote on an ipad and it's quite good. Give it a try!
@@markeverett3917 Thanks! Will do.
Fuji XT-4 is not good enough for all purpose? 🤐 I'm going for the XE-4. I need the best balance of features/price and performance!
I wish people would stop saying "everyone is going mirrorless". The Nikon page I'm on constantly recommends a mirrorless for new photogs when they're looking for an intro/mid range camera. Mirrorless isn't the end all, I have no reason to replace my D5 or D500 right now and then have to get adaptors for my lenses as well.
I would like to see affordable mirrorless cameras and lenses. Not everyone can afford to drop $5000 on a new camera or $3000 on a new lens unless they are a professional photographer.
I wish they would focus a bit on lightening the weight of the gear but still allow for a top quality image. While trying to do what cell phones can't the gear is getting heavier and heavier, and I've never seen so many prime lenses coming out (it's like I missed the meeting where they said the world revolves around primes now).
Sony has the A7C but only 24mp and no lightweight high quality zoom lenses to go with it. Canon has the RP but it's not a great sensor and while they make some lightweight zooms they almost went too far the other way and made them really cheap. Nikon has the 14-30mm and 24-200mm lenses, a great lightweight combo with great reviews, but no lightweight body with a good amount of megapixels.
What I want is a Nikon Z7C that is the same size as the Sony A7C but with 45mp, and I'd buy the 14-30 and 24-200 in a heartbeat. Or Canon could put the R5 sensor in an RP body and I'd almost consider going back to Canon (although I swore never again, after all the feature crippling and market segmentation).
Tony and Chelsea: Camera's are build by hardware engineers and yes they have software but its really done by a hardware engineer and hence the primitive menus and interface. Android an IOS are built by massive teams of software engineers and they are not cheap and hence only two companies could afford them google and apple.
Your best bet on ever getting a pro level smart camera is new pro camera startup led by a bunch of software geeks {similar to when Tesla started} and even that is long shot.
Agreed! Been there, seen that firsthand for the last 30+ years. Software gets little focus, and is generally considered to be just a necessary evil by companies that primarily develop hardware.
Taking a pictures of the back of my camera screen to post on social media.
The start made me think of "Pulsing in the background, Panasonic auto-focus, hope no-one notices. Maybe they'll fix it in an update, made by a blind werewolf in his underwear. Pulsing in the background..."
You concerned that picture transfer via Wifi is so slow, compared to smartphones. But, what about the file size, even with RAW and full frame 45+ Megapixels.
The data volume is compared to smarphones horrable. And with jpegs, ok might be better, but ther is als in most case a big difference in data volume,
Also there is one big misconception with the aperture, yes yes DOF is different between a m43 and FF, but a lens at 1.4 m43 and a lens at 1.4 FF lets in the same amount of light
I was a Canon shooter starting with the 10D, I later moved to a 6D along with a Rebel t4i spare but, I wanted more and was waiting for an upgrade and when the disappointing 5DIV came out I sold all my Canon stuff to KEH and went to a Sony A7RIII and I have been a happy Sony shooter ever since.
I was exactly the same 10D -> 20D -> 6D -> Sony A7 iii . I only moved to Sony because they blew the market away with Mirrorless on that launch, and the lenses were awesome too.
NOT everyone needs Video!!! I have yet to use Video on a DSLR.. You know why?? Because I don't shoot video for a living. I shoot stills. Why should I pay more for a feature I NEVER use?? I know I'm in a minority, but Video is NOT important to me.
You're not paying for it. Were they to have 2 different models they would cost more because they would sell less.
@@marcus3d We are Paying for it, we are paying for R&D!! I know, I worked at a large Global Government Contractor as a Photographer in the early 90's, the client pays for the R&D in the end!!
I use the Panasonic G9. It's the GH5 with mo better auto focus and high speed action/sport shutter options. I've had it two years and still have only scratched the surface of what it can do. The EVF is ridiculously good. I actually attach mostly vintage glass to it. The digital punch in plus focus peaking allows me to nail focus easily. The Leica lenses for it are awesome but expensive. I'm looking to go full frame though and will probably pick-up a A7RII used to compliment it.
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1. Automatically instantly connect with linked smartphone every time camera is turned on.
2. Implement security lock, so camera can't be used if stolen.
Nikon actually started mirrorless in 2011, before Canon but their first system was based on the small one inch sensor and it failed. Canon started in 2012 with the EOS M. It struggled for years until the M50 in 2018. Now canon is prisoner of the success of the M-series with two mounts. Nikon failed with the Nikon 1 so it could start with a clean table.
I have criticism of auto white balance on Canon. Before they introduced the AWB-W option in 2018 they made orange on artificial light. That was for the mood. Their compact cameras always produced neutral.
Canon is not prisoner of the EOS-M system as it is the best sold mirrorless system. The problem of Nikon 1 system prove the biggest Achilles heel of Nikon, out of touch with consumers and dynamics of the market. Panasonic and Olympus introduced m43 and where very succesful, Fujifilm, Sony and Canon also went for a bigger sensor size. Nikon was so convinced of the superiority of DSLR that they even care to develop phase detect on their sensor as Canon did with the Dual Pixel AF. At the time of D850, their AF was solely based on dedicated AF sensor under the mirror where Canon cameras where better using their OSPDAF called Dual Pixel AF then their dedicated AF sensors under the mirror. This proved that Canon saw the rise of mirrorless. Canon first FF mirrorless used the same sensors as their DSLR as they had their Dual Pixel AF. Nikon needed to develop a sensor with OSPDAF as they were the only manufacturer without one.
Concerning your last critique, Sony, well same for all the brands integration of better software. Just got a interesting device that may fix most of this. The new Arsenal 2 Pro plugs into the camera, allows control via smartphone, quick uploads to social media and super creative new features only smartphones could do . But image quality of full frame! Still learning all the features but can’t wait to put it through its paces on a desert shoot.
Спасибо за новинку!
I've been a Nikon shooter since 2003 when I bought my D-100. I never changed to another platform because I couldn't see myself investing in new lenses. I went through the progression D850 to Z7 and now Z9. I'm a wedding photographer and have a few Z6 and Z7. I absolutely HATE the snap bridge software. Please tell them to fix this nonsense. Maybe start from scratch. IT hurts my head to get this to work.
I’ve got both APSC (Fuji) and full frame (Pentax) and was doing some studio art work photography last week using both cameras with fast lenses and in the end it was the full frame photos that were the most pleasing because of the out of focus areas being smoother due mainly to the larger format sensor. I really enjoy the experience of shooting the Fuji but if I really want pop by separating subject from background (and I often do) then I’m grabbing the Pentax due the bigger sensor. The option to open up wide with a bigger sensor is so great to have
Which lenses were you using? The only thing that has changed with APSC about depth of field isolation is the number associated with it. So a Fuji X f1.4 or f1.2 or f1.0 lens will give you the equivalent or even more isolation than a full frame f2.0 lens.
@@IcarusLime I think most experienced photographers are very aware of the sensor dimension / aperture relationship. I remember it well from when I was shooting 6x6 medium formal and SLRs in the 90s. I’ve got multiple fast-ish primes for both systems. On this shoot I was using the 35mm f/2 on Fuji APS-C at f/2 and 55mm f/1.4 on Pentax FF at f/2. Image called for subject isolation and both did it but the Pentax I could stop down one stop (and it’s edge to edge is average at f/1.4) and still give a slightly smoother background. Wasn’t a lot in it but it was the more pleasing image.
If just waking about - say on family holiday with the kids - I can use a slow zoom (f/3.5 - 5.6 range) on full frame and still get some background isolation at mid-long focal lengths than I can on APS-C unless I’m using one of the primes. I’ve also got Olympus M43 camera and that really demands f/1.4 lenses to get background isolation. On full frame the ability is there all the time. But then the reverse is true when looking for big DOF say in a landscape. You really have to stop down an extra stop for the same AOV. Horses for courses.
I actually remember around 2014/2015(?) I was selling cameras at Best Buy and they had a couple of cameras from Samsung that operated just like a Samsung smart phone. I hated it, but maybe with more modern tech a smartphone powered ILC could be workable? There was also a lens that housed its own camera sensor at the time which would snap onto the back of your phone and operate via NFC/BT if I recall.
My biggest criticism of Canon(and the reason I shoot Nikon instead) comes down to their read noise and shadow banding. As a night scape and Astro photographer, shadows are my bread and butter and pushing shadows in post is important to me. Canon’s issues with shadows have been a turn off even though I feel like everything else would be better. For reference I shoot a Nikon D750 which I am 85% happy with. I wish the articulating screen wasn’t on a single axis, but multiaxis like the t5i or the d5x00
Fuji just needs to keep improving their autofocus on their gfx medium format cameras.it’s actually great for medium format lol. But if they could get it closer to full frame quality they would just crush FF completely. Especially since the prices are getting so close to each other anyways
On another topic. I would love to hear what you have to say about Gigapixel, especially for micro 4 3 shooters.
Hey Chelsea & Tony! I have been binge watching tens of your videos throughout time in the past week, and have to say both of you have aged beautifully. You are informative, kind, honest and pretty handsome.
Keep up the great work!
Better file xfer. I'm still on a mirror box camera. Still removing the memory card to move files. :-/
Color grading on this video looks great! Would you please share how you did this? Was this shot on Sony or Canon?
Hey guys, Nikon D850 is a great camera, but what about D700? Maybe you have one by any chance? It's kinda hard to find in my country in reasonable price range 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
Nice video guys, my complaint is why the R5 & R6 can record while live streaming when the Sony A73 which years older can... So when you guess get your hands on the R5C test that please cause the Sony A74 can do it. Thanks.
Built in GPS for the Sony. For all cameras, the ability to lock your camera and unlock with PIN and finger scanner.
Do Tony or Chelsea ever participate in the comments. This is the first time I’ve become aware of them. Their work is fantastic. And I found this video incredibly timely and valuable for me. So I wanted to ask a question here in the comments. However, looking through the comments on this video, I’ve been unable to locate even a single response from them. To those of you who are regulars… what gives?
I love Olympus - size, quality, retro,ease of use, so much to love etc but what could they do better?
- Give us better lens choice at the quality level that is not the ridiculous pricing of pro lens range. There needs to be a wider choice of f2 - f3 in zoom at reasonable pricing.
Exactly...results from low light, focus, and great dof. Sensor size is secondary.
I have an old Canon DSLR. Because I also own a couple of L lenses, every couple of years I look into buying one of their new models. Every time I decide against it because - incredibly, in my opinion - they don’t have GPS/geotagging, and I cannot easily transfer my photos to the web or to my phone. It’s a huge, massive mistake on their part.
I don´t think Fujis "BIGGEST" mistake is sensor size. Sure, it does have some effect, but it gives them a very well reserved niche in the mirrorless world. What I struggle more with, with Fuji, is their AF and "full package".
Don´t get me wrong, the X-T4 made a lot of things work really well, but it´s video AF was sometimes worse than the AF on my X-T3. But while the X-T4 got IBIS, Fuji in general lacks a camera that is geared towards "pro work" and has it all. Fast and reliable AF, greater battery life than the X-T4, deeper grip, full video quality options and much more are already there - even in the Fuji line - but never in the same camera. There´s no offers for higher MP cameras aside from the GFX line, no true "low budget line" either. Buying used Fuji gear often ends up being so much more worth than what you´d otherwise get right from them.
For most work I still shoot my Sony for that reason - it delivers all of what I need (especially serial images with good AF). This is not to say that I think Sony does everything better. Not by a long shot. But Fuji is still what I have most fun with and get the most interesting, though not best, results from, so I use them both. I also have a Lumix flying around, which is desperately waiting for another use than taking it on a walk because I feel like it.
Olympus, Nikon and Canon are mostly left to really own, but having a working Sony System at the moment I don´t feel the need to switch. I used Canon and Nikon before and while their newer systems really impressed me when i tried them out, I just didn´t have the need for it right now.
All in all, yes, all those manufactures have their flaws and everyone sees their biggest flaws in different spots, but if we had "the perfect camera", what would be left?
The lighting and color in this video is top notch. You both look great.
DfD is supposed to know which way to go, unlike just CDAF. But it seems difficult to get it right. However the advantage is you don't need to pepper you're pixels with PD sites, there has been several articles done about the banding those missing pixels can cause.
INTERNAL STORAGE!!! There is no reason why in 2022 every camera doesn’t have at least 500GB-1TB of internal storage. Computers left behind removable storage over a decade ago, why are cameras so far behind?
Even Chelsea can’t believe Tony doesn’t care for sensor size 😂
Ok, I agree with you as far as Olympus marketing is concerned. But then you also have to be honest now and admit that it's also nonsense to compare the great weatherproof and not focus point limited 300mm4.0 with the cheap 800mm 11.0, otherwise your argument is no better than Olympus itself
I am sticking Nikon 850 until create my own camera 📷 🙃 👍
I own two D850's. I keep burning the shutters out, so I still have one on hand.
Funny how in the USA many youtubers struggle to get cameras. Here in Shanghai you can find Z9’s in stores easily. All brands are great, and the most important thing is you can get the job done with all of them! Great video!!
I still have panasonic G1 that i got late 2008 and i still use it often, i also have Mercedes A 160 from 1999 among other vehicles, it needs some welding from time to time and it´s fun to do so. Same with G1, love it still, it is the camera i fell in love with photography, i suppose new things are great, but there is nothing preventing you taking a 100mpix picture with G1 if you do the work. love to you all from Finland:)
I am surprised that you did not bring up security, this is not only something that can be copied from smartphones but should go beyond that to include lenses. This is also something all camera manufacturers failed at and since Nikon and Canon were late to the mirrorless party they could have made security part of their new mounts. Speaking of Nikon and Canon, they still fail to see the big success Sony has by opening the E-Mount to 3rd party lens makers.
I fully agree with the "open lens mount" issue. With Sony I have much more choice in lens (like Tamron)
So, I went back in time and watch your Olympus OM-D E-M10 Review you told us to see - and Tony, I have only one question for you.
The watch!? I simply have to ask about the watch.
thank you, it was a really interesting video… but seriously take the time to use SnapBridge you will be surprised… I think
There have been some attempts at combining smart phones and cameras but for some reason they got discontinued i.e. the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom and the Sony QX1 & QX30 (which were lens systems that mounted to the back of your phone and paired via WI-FI)
Videos like these, is the exact reason i love this couple..