I always felt Trey deserved way more credit as a guitar player. Any time I saw him w/ Bungle or SC3, I always stood in awe watching him play. ‘King For A Day’ is still my favorite FNM album largely due to his guitar work on it. Brilliant player!
That is a FANTASTIC thrash guitar album. One of my favorite guitar tones of all time. Funny, but I think Trey told me it was done on a cheap Les Paul copy.
@@CarlKingdom Damn! And that album goes through so many mood swings from track to track. I would’ve sworn Trey used a few different guitars. Now I admire him even more! 👍
@@Bungle975 Well, who knows if some other guitars were available at the studio. There's also the chance I am totally misremembering it, but I tend to remember details like that. It was kind of nutty.
As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, very happy to hear Trey talk about Church heresies and modern apocalyptic predictions. I'm glad I share the same faith as this man!
As a Christian who recently dive into symbolism ans esoteric knowledge, I started questonning the effect of SC3 on me 20 years ago. This band had such a deep effect on me I wanted to be sure he was walkng with God. I am more than happy to learn he is a Christian, and that musical spell he cast on me was (I hope) God driven.
I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian as well and I respect Trey now even more for talking about it, one of the very few who still do. It's almost like it's a "bad thing" if you're openly religious nowdays if you're a part of showbiz in any way, it's kinda sad.
@@jessecerasus9621 It's called Gnosis/Gnosticism. Read through all of Bungle's lyrics, they're almost exclusively Gnostic in nature. There are multiple paths the climb the same Mountain, and everyone is on their own path.
In relation to what you talked about, I found a couple of ways to shift from plain tonality, taking into account the cycle of natural thirds and sevenths etc. instead of being limited to the cycle of fifths from the overtone series which would give you for example Ab as a crucial note in C major. Another approach that I like is thinking of another concept than what the actual outcome is, like thinking of a different key or a chord progression and sort of flashing that behind the scenes idea occasionally. An example of that would be like focusing so much on the Dm in C that the tonality actually shifts to Dm whereas underneath you are still thinking of a C major progression. Or you might have a single chord loop but you are picking notes based on a 1625 progression without revealing it, staying in minor pentatonic. The third kind of related thing is diatonic slash chords like F5/A with open strings that seem to open up a way to appreciating the details in simple, almost medieval music. I think these sort of dichotomies make for an artful presentation.
@@CarlKingdom I'm not sure if you'll see this but I really appreciate your music theory content, it's helped me get into certain techniques as a beginner, and bands like Bungle or producers that are pretty way-ward in arrangement really inspire me. So, running into your videos was the main spark of that rabbit hole. Thank you.
@@CarlKingdom haha totally sincere! A lot of interviews crap on about 'inspiration' and 'honouring your muse' when its mostly about slaving over a mouse and keyboard til 3 in the morning before you have to go to work the next day
Also, great hearing about what you discovered dissecting Bungle's music. I'd say 90% of my musical education came from sitting hunched over the cd player with keyboard or guitar working out parts of Bungle tunes. I coulda listened to that conversation all day!
Great interview, and as a huge Trey fan, it's among the most insightful I have heard. 2nd time listening, and I'd love to hear more from you and Trey. Any chance for more?
I'd love to, but Trey is pretty reclusive and I don't run into him often. I tried to convince him he should be teaching composition and orchestration, because there is a ton of stuff to talk about there.
Always fascinating... My theory's not quite up to scratch, even after playing for three decades, but the insights here are great insomuch as I can keep up.
Great job! Dig these kinds of interviews that get into the mechanics of albums I love. I had to look up the band Stump. Not sure how they escaped me. Seems like a lot of my favorite musicians write music thats usually lush and melodic but sometimes feels like the structure tears at the seams and then comes back together just when it becomes unbearable. I guess something like Alice Coltranes "My Favorite Things" would be an extreme example. That added discord adds an element thats impossible for me to pin down. I wish more pop music would sprinkle that unpredictability in. We were probably going to the same shows in SF in the 90's before I moved to LA in 96. It felt like I was out every night in the city watching world class musicians for $5. I miss that.
I would love to but I would only do it if I could do it if I had total freedom to tell the story. I think those guys have their own strong ideas of how to tell their story. But I would, if I could. Thank you.
This is such a good conversation. I kinda don’t want to call it an interview as I felt a got a lot from listening to both of you talk. It felt more personal than a set of questions and answers.
Glad you liked it. I was trying to get Trey to talk about his "Personality Type" but I didn't do a good job of it. Trey and I became friends back in 2002 - 2003 in San Francisco. He'd pick me up and drive around for hours and talk my naive ear off with esoteric philosophy. It was a lot for me to take in at the time, being young and sheltered and not belonging in San Francisco at all. He is an unusual person with some social quirks, and would be a fascinating documentary topic. Although I think he has a bit of uncomfortable relationship with the cult of personality / hero worship that surrounds him due to Mr. Bungle, etc. If he hadn't done all that music stuff, I like to think he'd still be an eccentric, unique guy I would take my friends to meet.
@@wyattcole5452 I first met him at a Mr. Bungle show on the Disco Volante tour. I sent him one of my Sir Millard Mulch cassette demos in the 90s and then we kept in touch. Interviewed him a couple of times through the years. When I moved out to SF we hung out several times. We did a deal to co-release my Sir Millard Mulch "How To Sell" album in 2005 through Mimicry. This interview was the first time we met up since then. And I guess it was also the last!
@@CarlKingdom you don’t think you two are going to see each other again? That’s a shame if that’s the case because another interview would be interesting, Ive always wanted to ask a member of the band if they have considered visiting other demo tracks that weren’t released into a new album, but it doesn’t seem that’s going to be the case. It’s disappointing because there’s more than enough songs that could fit on a whole new album. “Goddamnit I love America” has a few funky and even jazzy songs that would sound great professionally
@@wyattcole5452 I didn't mean to imply we'd never see each other again. I was only saying think this interview was the last time I saw him. It's been a while! I'd be happy to have him on the podcast again.
Haha! My goal was to get into the topic of the Big 5 Personality Traits, and to find out where Trey thinks he fits on those. I have zero interest in Jordan Peterson.
@@CarlKingdomOh thank god, for a second I thought you were a smidge of transphobic, which would suck as a trans person since I related to a lot of your statements Edit: Finished the interview, and I’m pretty stoked. Stellar job!
@@BishopShotgun awesome. I regret even mentioning him a couple of times. :) At the time I watched some of his old psychology class lectures about personality type and I had no idea he would become an insane cult leader.
I was disappointed to hear Peterson pop up on here as well. Very happy Trey had no idea who angry Kermit room cleaner is. I respect the host for using it as a springboard onto another topic. However... The host really misrepresents the situation around Peterson getting ire. He was against a Canadian bill called C-16, he was never forced to use 16 genders. Chuckling about it as if that was a real situation kind of sucks. He just had to use he/she/they and felt his free speech was being throttled if he couldn't misgender people. Which is dumb, he was just being a jerk. Hopefully that's more apparent now 5 years later. It was disappointing only for a second. The host here does a genuinely fantastic job outside of that though. I'm glad someone else found it a little odd. No ill will towards the host, but the situation Peterson was actually in was not accurately described.
I always felt Trey deserved way more credit as a guitar player. Any time I saw him w/ Bungle or SC3, I always stood in awe watching him play. ‘King For A Day’ is still my favorite FNM album largely due to his guitar work on it. Brilliant player!
That is a FANTASTIC thrash guitar album. One of my favorite guitar tones of all time. Funny, but I think Trey told me it was done on a cheap Les Paul copy.
@@CarlKingdom Damn! And that album goes through so many mood swings from track to track. I would’ve sworn Trey used a few different guitars. Now I admire him even more! 👍
@@Bungle975 Well, who knows if some other guitars were available at the studio. There's also the chance I am totally misremembering it, but I tend to remember details like that. It was kind of nutty.
@@CarlKingdomI’m a _huge_ FNM fan and I never thought of King For A Day as a “Thrash” album, but you got me thinking, It IS!!! Good call!!
Absolutely the finest guitarist I've ever seen. When I saw Trey live back in 2008 with SC3, I felt like he was in the same zone as Robert Fripp
None of them knew they were Robots is probably my favorite tune of all time. Thank you sir!!!
Thanks so much for this great conversation!! Stoked for the Bungle reunion!!!!!!
One of the best Trey interviews I've heard. Thanks for asking the right questions haha
Thank you! I have many more for him...
As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, very happy to hear Trey talk about Church heresies and modern apocalyptic predictions. I'm glad I share the same faith as this man!
As a Christian who recently dive into symbolism ans esoteric knowledge, I started questonning the effect of SC3 on me 20 years ago. This band had such a deep effect on me I wanted to be sure he was walkng with God. I am more than happy to learn he is a Christian, and that musical spell he cast on me was (I hope) God driven.
I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian as well and I respect Trey now even more for talking about it, one of the very few who still do. It's almost like it's a "bad thing" if you're openly religious nowdays if you're a part of showbiz in any way, it's kinda sad.
@@jessecerasus9621 It's called Gnosis/Gnosticism. Read through all of Bungle's lyrics, they're almost exclusively Gnostic in nature. There are multiple paths the climb the same Mountain, and everyone is on their own path.
"Hey, Trey, can I interview you so I can talk about myself to your fans?"
Thank you for this. I would forward your interview request to Trey but he has blocked me. Still, I hope you are able to make it happen.
Also, your channel seems to have some good lectures. I'm going to give them a listen!
@@CarlKingdom why did Trey block you?
@@UnhappyMerchant As far as I know, he didn't. I was just making a joke in response to Effing The Ineffable. I got carried away.
In relation to what you talked about, I found a couple of ways to shift from plain tonality, taking into account the cycle of natural thirds and sevenths etc. instead of being limited to the cycle of fifths from the overtone series which would give you for example Ab as a crucial note in C major. Another approach that I like is thinking of another concept than what the actual outcome is, like thinking of a different key or a chord progression and sort of flashing that behind the scenes idea occasionally. An example of that would be like focusing so much on the Dm in C that the tonality actually shifts to Dm whereas underneath you are still thinking of a C major progression. Or you might have a single chord loop but you are picking notes based on a 1625 progression without revealing it, staying in minor pentatonic. The third kind of related thing is diatonic slash chords like F5/A with open strings that seem to open up a way to appreciating the details in simple, almost medieval music. I think these sort of dichotomies make for an artful presentation.
SC3 is great live. It's an experience
And loud! One of their shows (at Great American Music Hall), you couldn't see them. They sat cross-legged on rugs.
If Trey dropped a video course Id buy that shit in a heartbeat
Exactly! I wonder how much cash it would take.
@@CarlKingdom I'm not sure if you'll see this but I really appreciate your music theory content, it's helped me get into certain techniques as a beginner, and bands like Bungle or producers that are pretty way-ward in arrangement really inspire me. So, running into your videos was the main spark of that rabbit hole. Thank you.
@@poormanchemist That's the best thing I could hear! Thank you for letting me know. I'm glad someone got something out of it.
A legend
Intersting to hear you talk about that SMM / Mimicry period. I remember that.
Missed this comment the first time around, Witz! Hope you are doing well. What a crazy era that was.
So refreshing hearing the tedium of the creative process
Can't tell if that's sincere or sarcastic, but it made me laugh, either way!
@@CarlKingdom haha totally sincere! A lot of interviews crap on about 'inspiration' and 'honouring your muse' when its mostly about slaving over a mouse and keyboard til 3 in the morning before you have to go to work the next day
Also, great hearing about what you discovered dissecting Bungle's music. I'd say 90% of my musical education came from sitting hunched over the cd player with keyboard or guitar working out parts of Bungle tunes. I coulda listened to that conversation all day!
Great interview
Great interview, and as a huge Trey fan, it's among the most insightful I have heard. 2nd time listening, and I'd love to hear more from you and Trey. Any chance for more?
I'd love to, but Trey is pretty reclusive and I don't run into him often. I tried to convince him he should be teaching composition and orchestration, because there is a ton of stuff to talk about there.
Also thank you for listening and enjoying it! I felt like I didn't even ask good enough questions.
@@CarlKingdom you're very humble. The interview was excelent
Always fascinating... My theory's not quite up to scratch, even after playing for three decades, but the insights here are great insomuch as I can keep up.
Awesome!!!
Thank you Mira.
Listening to him makes me want to play more guitar.
Great job! Dig these kinds of interviews that get into the mechanics of albums I love. I had to look up the band Stump. Not sure how they escaped me. Seems like a lot of my favorite musicians write music thats usually lush and melodic but sometimes feels like the structure tears at the seams and then comes back together just when it becomes unbearable. I guess something like Alice Coltranes "My Favorite Things" would be an extreme example. That added discord adds an element thats impossible for me to pin down. I wish more pop music would sprinkle that unpredictability in. We were probably going to the same shows in SF in the 90's before I moved to LA in 96. It felt like I was out every night in the city watching world class musicians for $5. I miss that.
Two very interesting people, out interesting each other, for a very interesting hour.
Haha thank you.
You really have to put that note there.....with conviction!😊
Please do the Bungle doc!
I would love to but I would only do it if I could do it if I had total freedom to tell the story. I think those guys have their own strong ideas of how to tell their story. But I would, if I could. Thank you.
It's good to hear your voice skumms, I'm with Valerie in Utah...get out here sometime.
This is such a good conversation. I kinda don’t want to call it an interview as I felt a got a lot from listening to both of you talk. It felt more personal than a set of questions and answers.
Glad you liked it. I was trying to get Trey to talk about his "Personality Type" but I didn't do a good job of it. Trey and I became friends back in 2002 - 2003 in San Francisco. He'd pick me up and drive around for hours and talk my naive ear off with esoteric philosophy. It was a lot for me to take in at the time, being young and sheltered and not belonging in San Francisco at all. He is an unusual person with some social quirks, and would be a fascinating documentary topic. Although I think he has a bit of uncomfortable relationship with the cult of personality / hero worship that surrounds him due to Mr. Bungle, etc. If he hadn't done all that music stuff, I like to think he'd still be an eccentric, unique guy I would take my friends to meet.
@@CarlKingdom how did you and him meet?
@@wyattcole5452 I first met him at a Mr. Bungle show on the Disco Volante tour. I sent him one of my Sir Millard Mulch cassette demos in the 90s and then we kept in touch. Interviewed him a couple of times through the years. When I moved out to SF we hung out several times. We did a deal to co-release my Sir Millard Mulch "How To Sell" album in 2005 through Mimicry. This interview was the first time we met up since then. And I guess it was also the last!
@@CarlKingdom you don’t think you two are going to see each other again? That’s a shame if that’s the case because another interview would be interesting, Ive always wanted to ask a member of the band if they have considered visiting other demo tracks that weren’t released into a new album, but it doesn’t seem that’s going to be the case. It’s disappointing because there’s more than enough songs that could fit on a whole new album. “Goddamnit I love America” has a few funky and even jazzy songs that would sound great professionally
@@wyattcole5452 I didn't mean to imply we'd never see each other again. I was only saying think this interview was the last time I saw him. It's been a while! I'd be happy to have him on the podcast again.
"I've always found you more interesting as a person than as a musician."
Ouch. I think I would've stood up and left...
I would donate to Treys Patreon if he started one.
Me too! Would be a dream come true.
ep 13
Teachers
Way to segue from Sleepytime Gorilla Museum to Jordan Peterson ;P
Makes me like this guy even more, subbing because of that. :P
Whats with this interviewer's obsession with jordan peterson? The guy is such a little weirdo
Haha! My goal was to get into the topic of the Big 5 Personality Traits, and to find out where Trey thinks he fits on those. I have zero interest in Jordan Peterson.
@@CarlKingdomOh thank god, for a second I thought you were a smidge of transphobic, which would suck as a trans person since I related to a lot of your statements
Edit: Finished the interview, and I’m pretty stoked. Stellar job!
@@BishopShotgun awesome. I regret even mentioning him a couple of times. :) At the time I watched some of his old psychology class lectures about personality type and I had no idea he would become an insane cult leader.
What's with your guys' obsession with people bringing him up? That strikes me as a bit more weird.
I was disappointed to hear Peterson pop up on here as well. Very happy Trey had no idea who angry Kermit room cleaner is.
I respect the host for using it as a springboard onto another topic. However...
The host really misrepresents the situation around Peterson getting ire. He was against a Canadian bill called C-16, he was never forced to use 16 genders. Chuckling about it as if that was a real situation kind of sucks.
He just had to use he/she/they and felt his free speech was being throttled if he couldn't misgender people.
Which is dumb, he was just being a jerk.
Hopefully that's more apparent now 5 years later.
It was disappointing only for a second.
The host here does a genuinely fantastic job outside of that though.
I'm glad someone else found it a little odd.
No ill will towards the host, but the situation Peterson was actually in was not accurately described.
Stump bruh
Lol should have gotten into Justin Pearson instead, would love to hear Trey's thoughts about him.
The documentary about him is great
hopefully you got over your Jordan Peterson nonsense. I was enjoying listening to Trey talk about music.
Absolutely! This was before he was a cult leader and just a nerd posting his class lectures.