6:00, the sound of defeat, from the Nimonic that is. Yes, TITAN Academy would use 200, 000 horsepower 22 axis machine, and machine away 39 kg of material 🌟 Great vlog thanks for sharing.
They use it a lot in the nuclear industry. It is strange stuff, contains Cobalt, Chromium, Titanium, Iron, Aluminium, Nickel. I used to machine it with cutting oil in the 70s making tie bars 42 foot long.
MMMM Beer Good! I have watched you do this a number of times David, oddly enough I don't seem to tire of it. I especially like the way you use the Bridgey to it's full potential. You might not be ale to take huge cuts or work all that fast at times, However they really are a versatile machine with a bit of imagination. Cheers
That poor Huron mill. I spent 11 of the past 12 years using one. Such a waste. Good call with the John Smiths though. As aways David great video thanks for sharing.
Love these vids, used to be an engineer, and did some trepanning back in the day, nothing as big as you do tho. Great dig at Titan, made me laugh, BOOM.
Great one again Dave . Chugging down a couple of coldies myself . It's been 43 deg C all the time here up north of Western Australia , just doing a bit of work in an iron ore mine extension ! Cheers .
Jesus H... how do you guys survive in that.. 🙄😟 I'm an irish ginger living on the west coast of Ireland & when our summer temps get to 20°c upwards I am under severe pressure... 🙄🥵🥵 😎👍☘🍺
Well Mr. Wilks, that was very interesting to say the least. Amazing your friend gave up so quick. This video came at the perfect time to help with giving us something positive to focus on. A lot of us here are in need of something good happening, as you probably heard we elected a scoundrel and a socialist to lead our country. Thank you for brightening up my day. I'm sure there are other who needed it too.🍻
Don't throw in the towel yet sir... Let SCOTUS do its work and let the "rightful heir to the throne" be crowned... and let him start ripping through the swamp... The fraud has been self-evident from the start... But.. enough politics... 🤫 Great job as always Dave !! From the Emerald Isle.. 😎👍☘🍺
@@charlessimmons7825 Oh, them's fighting words, insulting another man's favorite beer. I don't drink, but even I know that you don't insult another man's favorite beer that keeps him going all week.
I’m gonna guess that most of these are specialist parts for military use ( they are the only ones who can afford this sorta stuff ) but they may also be used in nuclear or massive marine engines.
Cool! Had to look up the alloy lol. I've heard of it but never knew the properties. Yeah that would be some seriously tough stuff 😀. At 6hrs a piece you may need another box-o-beer! 🤣 Thanks for sharing! Cheers 👍😊👍
I really wish David would upload again, I hope he is in good health. Maybe a space rocket company finally got ahold of him and stuffed him in a back room with a Craven lathe and nothing but Nimonic alloy then covered the door with a massive nda and gave him unlimited John Smiths beer and thats why we dont get videos anymore. just a theory
Dave, I noticed that the 4 jaw chuck has two painted jaws, can you please tell me the story about them? I suspect that it is for when you are swapping over or around the jobs. You keep the two painted jaws fixed and only open and close up the other two. A quick check with your dial indicator and then you are away. Yes?
I mark my jaws. When the work piece weighs many tons, it becomes very difficult to make adjustments at the chuck. If you only move two jaws, it's quicker and easier to dial in again.
Great video as always Dave, I'm a toolmaker myself but enjoy watching your videos. Were you cutting at slightly higher rpm hen your mate? It sounded like it was dragging a bit on his machine. I've machined nickel based alloys for a few years, up to 60 Rockwell 🙂
Mister Wilks, it's a really great job you do! If I may ask a technical question, is the asymmetry between the tools a concern to you? I would think that since the one is cutting the outside diameter it must be under greater torque than the other which cuts the inside diameter. Do you compensate for that bij using a slightly shorter cutting edge on the outside cutting tool? Kind regards, W.
Oh my - that sound!! Something is tortured and dying LOL. Seems the Wilks treatment is needed... dang that is hard stuff! Amazing how the insert lasted. Great job... take care Dave. Only one case of beer ?
I have worked with the big sweaturn and TOS mills ... and Turn ..! Love it mate. U are good. A true GB Craftman... Stay cool.. Remember to shift them inserts and drive vice cutting meters. ( how many you run in this material? ) 35mm/min ? v= 318* 35 / ( 25.4*7inch? rit ? ;-)
That wealthy business owner should spend a few pounds on a VFD drive and see how much better the lathe cuts , lower / raise the RPM to find the absolute optimal conditions. Geared head stock won't lose any torc , less vibration & harmonics = better tool life and chip control all that have added this to there equipment have been very happy with the results . Hours of listening for the failure point must be nerve racking as hell.
Its the UK. Wealthy business owners do not stay wealthy business owners by spending money on new high tech equipment when they can just kick the operator in the balls to make the job run faster.
Nickel alloys are just a bitch. But you can make it happen with the right tools, speed and feed. Lets not forget about the coolant too. Nice work with Nickel Dave, too. VF
Dave try a softer cheaper wcmx. You know Rob from MB try the cheapest lamina they do. They wear but stay in shape so you get to use all 3 edges. Sanvick are good but for some stuff just to hard an start to crack.
Sounds like we needed some John Smith's for the American election! Of course I don't think even one of your trepanning bars could have cut thru all the bullshit that went down with that! lol You got it done well mate top job!
Prefer Magnet, but heyho each yo his own. Just a question tho, how do you set your steady rollers to the right diameter, I had a row with Joe Pye when I told him I turned a piece of scrap to the correct diameter and set the steady of that.
He was doing the 31" long bar first. On shorter jobs you can support all the weight with the chuck jaws, true up at the chuck and hammer (soft/copper mallet) the end of the bar true...doing so requires moving back and forth (from chuck end to steady end) until both are true..then set the steady to the diameter of the bar which is now running concentric to the machine...if the bars at 41" are the same diameter as the 31" long bars then the steady is already set and doesn't have to be touched.. As for his longer jobs (50"+) he shows you in one of his other videos, marks the centre of the bar and uses his revolving centre as a guide to set the rollers of the steady. When I set a steady I usually run the machine for 5 minutes (without cutting) to make sure the job isn't walking. Especially when your working on a ø36" x 40" long. The weight is close to 2.2T and when removing the centre it drop .010"-.015" in the steady. If your scrap bar has been turned and is still in the machine then it'll be running concentric and the steady can be set the same as above.
David, this is not chatter, This is a choir of devil's having their tails shredded! The few teeth left in my maw would have shattered and fallen [even faster] had I had to listen to this awful concert. You are either brave, deaf, or both ;-)
Very interesting idea. In fact EDM or ECM might be possible and I imagine a very thin 'cutter' could be used. But I think these are usually graphite? Will have to explore.Thanks for the tip.
He was doing the 31" long bar first. On shorter jobs you can support all the weight with the chuck jaws, true up at the chuck and hammer (soft/copper mallet) the end of the bar true...doing so requires moving back and forth (from chuck end to steady end) until both are true..then set the steady to the diameter of the bar which is now running concentric to the machine...if the bars at 41" are the same diameter as the 31" long bars then the steady is already set and doesn't have to be touched.. As for his longer jobs (50"+) he shows you in one of his other videos, marks the centre of the bar and uses his revolving centre as a guide to set the rollers of the steady. When I set a steady I usually run the machine for 5 minutes (without cutting) to make sure the job isn't walking. Especially when your working on a ø36" x 40" long. The weight is close to 2.2T and when removing the centre it drop .010"-.015" in the steady.
@@seanb9818 when I do marine bearings weighing tons, I'll measure the diameter where the steady runs, run the tailstock center over the rollers and use math and ID mics to run the steady rollers up to the radius of the measured work diameter. With no center in the end of the work, you can drop a steady on and adjust rollers with the work piece still on the floor. Doesn't hurt to run the rollers up a couple extra thou. I aslo run the machine a few minutes to watch for it walking, usually working up to the rpm I'll machine at. If you have trouble with a couple ton of material, the chuck clutches are adjusted so they can't slow it down that quickly at 80rpm, it can become big trouble.. so it's best to play it safe be careful
@sma11 i know what you mean, I often have the revolving centre (with jammer) around .050" away from the face and start the machine up. If it walks it'll start spinning the centre but won't walk to far as if have the centre locked off. The machine I'm talking about is a Herbert 14/36. We don't have a saddle on it so we can swing 35.5". Mainly used for trepanning.
Hi David, hope you’re keeping well with the aid of john smiths to the rescue, the question I would like to know is how long did it take take to do the longest piece in the job? Have a great week ahead pal. Phil
Note at the end reads "John Smith's beer. Makes women better looking and men work harder" 😉🤣
Are you near Sheffield deep bore?
@@seanb9818 I was next door to them when I had my own company.
@@userwl2850 ah, my bosses brother is the manager there. Fraser Kane. I learned alot from him in my time.
6:00, the sound of defeat, from the Nimonic that is. Yes, TITAN Academy would use 200, 000 horsepower 22 axis machine, and machine away 39 kg of material 🌟
Great vlog thanks for sharing.
hahah shots fired at Titan, sandvik make some pretty insane inserts though.
Nimonic alloys were essential for jet engines. Invented in Britain during WW2.
They use it a lot in the nuclear industry. It is strange stuff, contains Cobalt, Chromium, Titanium, Iron, Aluminium, Nickel. I used to machine it with cutting oil in the 70s making tie bars 42 foot long.
Yeah, they used Nimonic 80 right up into the 1980's at least I believe.
MMMM Beer Good! I have watched you do this a number of times David, oddly enough I don't seem to tire of it. I especially like the way you use the Bridgey to it's full potential. You might not be ale to take huge cuts or work all that fast at times, However they really are a versatile machine with a bit of imagination. Cheers
Nice, in Australia it’s called the carton economy ie it will cost you a carton of ( insert preferred tipple).
Cheers
Same in Newcastle. 4 bottles of Brown Ale for a small job, 12 for a big job. Weirdly I don't do 8 bottle jobs.
Stones bitter is interchangeable.
Or in Australia it can be referred to as "The Slab Economy" for the slabs of beer.
Raymond and others that read this thread, I just call it the beer Economy.
John, Newcastle, Australia.
The king, getting it done! Well done, Dave!
Real engineering many thanks for posting. Keep it up. We still make things in the UK....
Just goes to show NOT all turners are equal! !
Great video again !👍🔩
Stay safe.
Best video yet!!!! I was at the edge of my seat. You are the man Dave!!!!
"BOOM" shots fired...
That poor Huron mill. I spent 11 of the past 12 years using one. Such a waste. Good call with the John Smiths though. As aways David great video thanks for sharing.
Love these vids, used to be an engineer, and did some trepanning back in the day, nothing as big as you do tho. Great dig at Titan, made me laugh, BOOM.
Nice work Dave! 👌 Makes you wonder how they cut stuff like this in the 40's and 50's when they were making jet turbine wheels.
Grind them
LOL...David is the coolest guy around. Cheers buddy.
Great one again Dave . Chugging down a couple of coldies myself . It's been 43 deg C all the time here up north of Western Australia , just doing a bit of work in an iron ore mine extension ! Cheers .
@Donald R. Cossitt keep sending that weather down our way in Utah Don, it's time for some winter weather. More shop time and less yard time. Craig
Max, I hope that it wasn't the extension that went through 40,000 year old Aboriginal Caves and cost the CEO of Rio Tinto his job?
Jesus H... how do you guys survive in that.. 🙄😟
I'm an irish ginger living on the west coast of Ireland & when our summer temps get to 20°c upwards I am under severe pressure... 🙄🥵🥵
😎👍☘🍺
@@markfryer9880 Different site , still Rio !!!
@Donald R. Cossitt 42 F ? THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 5 OR 6 Deg C here ! Too Cold !
Well Mr. Wilks, that was very interesting to say the least. Amazing your friend gave up so quick. This video came at the perfect time to help with giving us something positive to focus on. A lot of us here are in need of something good happening, as you probably heard we elected a scoundrel and a socialist to lead our country.
Thank you for brightening up my day. I'm sure there are other who needed it too.🍻
Don't throw in the towel yet sir...
Let SCOTUS do its work and let the "rightful heir to the throne" be crowned... and let him start ripping through the swamp...
The fraud has been self-evident from the start...
But.. enough politics... 🤫
Great job as always Dave !!
From the Emerald Isle..
😎👍☘🍺
Peter Fitzpatrick thanks......
I hope you wear earplugs, that sound goes right through me but I love it.
Brilliant Dave, thanks for sharing. John Smith's make's any situation a little better.👍
Boom :)) kennametal insert last forever :)) I like sandvik to. And didn't found anything better yet.
I agree with you on Sandvik, to me they are the best.
Have you ever tried John Smith’s as a coolant. Seems it may be on a par with WD40 in its adaptability. Cheers Dave.
If you had ever tried drinking John Smiths you would be drinking the WD40 instead
@@charlessimmons7825 Oh, them's fighting words, insulting another man's favorite beer. I don't drink, but even I know that you don't insult another man's favorite beer that keeps him going all week.
What a difference that wooden support makes!
You are the boss.
I find lathe videos, and running a lathe very calming.
_David, I'm fascinated by the amount of "exotic" alloy your shops machines!_
_What sort of applications are your customers using these parts on?_
I’m gonna guess that most of these are specialist parts for military use ( they are the only ones who can afford this sorta stuff ) but they may also be used in nuclear or massive marine engines.
@@jacobsharpe8219 or the oil industry. is north sea crude still a thing?
We used non stop inconel in the oil industry. Gun drilled slick joints and inconel balls.
wonderful David.....cheers from US, Florida, Paul
I DO MISS DAVE
THE DRY GIT
Great video. Wow , some insane noise/music produced from that material.
Good work David now officially top man at new work place👍🏻🇬🇧
very good working david..thanks for your time
Perfect beer ad Dave, cheers!
Cool! Had to look up the alloy lol. I've heard of it but never knew the properties. Yeah that would be some seriously tough stuff 😀. At 6hrs a piece you may need another box-o-beer! 🤣 Thanks for sharing! Cheers 👍😊👍
Is it that John Smiths coolant that makes those inserts last?
A quiet machine is a happy machine. Top work as always!
That Titans bloke really is a bell end.
I really wish David would upload again, I hope he is in good health. Maybe a space rocket company finally got ahold of him and stuffed him in a back room with a Craven lathe and nothing but Nimonic alloy then covered the door with a massive nda and gave him unlimited John Smiths beer and thats why we dont get videos anymore. just a theory
Woah! It must be "tasty stuff" if they want the swarf back!!!
Great to see the exotic alloys, but what would such a piece be used for? Military/perto chemical?
It is proven ... you are the master Dave
Dave, I noticed that the 4 jaw chuck has two painted jaws, can you please tell me the story about them? I suspect that it is for when you are swapping over or around the jobs. You keep the two painted jaws fixed and only open and close up the other two. A quick check with your dial indicator and then you are away. Yes?
That is often the case, but most of the time it still has to be trued up again so I kinda find it pointless.
I mark my jaws. When the work piece weighs many tons, it becomes very difficult to make adjustments at the chuck. If you only move two jaws, it's quicker and easier to dial in again.
Great video as always Dave, I'm a toolmaker myself but enjoy watching your videos. Were you cutting at slightly higher rpm hen your mate? It sounded like it was dragging a bit on his machine. I've machined nickel based alloys for a few years, up to 60 Rockwell 🙂
Mister Wilks, it's a really great job you do! If I may ask a technical question, is the asymmetry between the tools a concern to you? I would think that since the one is cutting the outside diameter it must be under greater torque than the other which cuts the inside diameter. Do you compensate for that bij using a slightly shorter cutting edge on the outside cutting tool?
Kind regards, W.
I could not figure out what tnis guy is trying to do other than ma,e sythensized music.
i use to love JS when I was in the Birkenhead great beer.
Coolant for the maschine and the maschinist :-)
Just fantastic so cool all the best Shaun
Where did the stock come from, India?
Do you use new pad on each piece of material or use same pad on all ?? What speed and feed did you use
Hi David, Never seen this done before, very interesting, How do you align the trappaning tool to run down the centre ??
Put a dial on the chuck and rotate about the od of the trepanning tool. Adjust the steadys to clock zero around the tool.
@@sma11 Yes I guessed that but Dav did that on his last video and then adjusted it by eye, seems a bit hit and miss!!
Oh my - that sound!! Something is tortured and dying LOL. Seems the Wilks treatment is needed... dang that is hard stuff! Amazing how the insert lasted. Great job... take care Dave.
Only one case of beer ?
I have worked with the big sweaturn and TOS mills ... and Turn ..! Love it mate. U are good. A true GB Craftman... Stay cool.. Remember to shift them inserts and drive vice cutting meters. ( how many you run in this material? ) 35mm/min ? v= 318* 35 / ( 25.4*7inch? rit ? ;-)
Love watching your show. Just wondering if you are okay I have not seen anything new in 8 months
I’ve worked with many exotic alloys including demonic, stinkconel, impossiblium and unobtainium.
I have worked with demonic and impossibilium. She was my second girlfriend.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@greasydot
Yeah ya got to make sure your woman are well tempered to keep your life stress relieved😉
You did well with that Dave, i've machined tons of the stuff bloody nightmare sometimes.
Thank you agin David for this video it is so impressive. What is the nearest you have come to being defeated?
ahahahahaahhaah 9:30 all you need to say is BOOOOM! and and you could easily cut another 1000 more.
5:35 You know we're gonna die deaf, right?
Pardon
Same with 5700+ and counting youtube viewers!
,,, strangely, I'm holding the tablet by hand and its curing arthritis .
John Smith's beer=premium machining fluid. The best would be Guinness!
I've always favoured Sandvik..... they are amazing.
You know the game.
What do your customers do with these tubes that you core out?
Enjoy the beers!
Cheers Dave!!
@David Wilks What are all of these cylinders of exotic alloy being used in?
That wealthy business owner should spend a few pounds on a VFD drive and see how much better the lathe cuts , lower / raise the RPM to find the absolute optimal conditions. Geared head stock won't lose any torc , less vibration & harmonics = better tool life and chip control all that have added this to there equipment have been very happy with the results . Hours of listening for the failure point must be nerve racking as hell.
Its the UK. Wealthy business owners do not stay wealthy business owners by spending money on new high tech equipment when they can just kick the operator in the balls to make the job run faster.
Вам надо сделать экспериментальную штангу с 3-мя пластинами. Распределение нагрузки на 3 точки, теоретически должно быть эффективней.
Nickel alloys are just a bitch. But you can make it happen with the right tools, speed and feed. Lets not forget about the coolant too. Nice work with Nickel Dave, too. VF
been around awhile that Alloy
great effort mate
A proper entertainment , no kidding :D . Cheers and good luck with the 'rona lockdown .
Lol! Great commentary here, keep em coming.
Dave try a softer cheaper wcmx. You know Rob from MB try the cheapest lamina they do. They wear but stay in shape so you get to use all 3 edges. Sanvick are good but for some stuff just to hard an start to crack.
You're the man!
Is it Nimonic 115?
The size of that boring bar is just insane. It barely has any clearance inside the material.
hi David can you tell me what material is for pads?
nimonic = en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimonic
John Smith’s as my old man would say “ a drop a good “ said with a Black Country accent ! What did the note say at the end of the video ?
Sounds like we needed some John Smith's for the American election! Of course I don't think even one of your trepanning bars could have cut thru all the bullshit that went down with that! lol You got it done well mate top job!
And it's not over yet.
Hahaha. Superb.
6:12 sounds like an hallali on a Hunt :-) and why the rope? holding the lunette? i dont think so :-)
There is the Master and next door the pretender. One gives J Smith's as tribute to be able to sit at the feet of the great one.😅
Prefer Magnet, but heyho each yo his own. Just a question tho, how do you set your steady rollers to the right diameter, I had a row with Joe Pye when I told him I turned a piece of scrap to the correct diameter and set the steady of that.
He was doing the 31" long bar first. On shorter jobs you can support all the weight with the chuck jaws, true up at the chuck and hammer (soft/copper mallet) the end of the bar true...doing so requires moving back and forth (from chuck end to steady end) until both are true..then set the steady to the diameter of the bar which is now running concentric to the machine...if the bars at 41" are the same diameter as the 31" long bars then the steady is already set and doesn't have to be touched..
As for his longer jobs (50"+) he shows you in one of his other videos, marks the centre of the bar and uses his revolving centre as a guide to set the rollers of the steady.
When I set a steady I usually run the machine for 5 minutes (without cutting) to make sure the job isn't walking. Especially when your working on a ø36" x 40" long. The weight is close to 2.2T and when removing the centre it drop .010"-.015" in the steady.
If your scrap bar has been turned and is still in the machine then it'll be running concentric and the steady can be set the same as above.
What brand of coolant are you using?
Far to cheap David, it should be a pallet of smooth!
Good Job David. Don't get to stoned with your very British beer.
I would have charged him a case for each one, cheap at twice that🍺🍺🍺🍺 😍👍🏴
Thats not the price for the end-customer... thats the price for taking the job from a colleague... 😎👍☘🍺
Thats not the price for the end-customer... thats the price for taking the job from a colleague...aka .. mates-rates 😎👍☘🍺
god that looks expensive.
Man alive that sounds bad
always a good vid !
Haha, class 😁
At around 6:00, machining the nimonic sounds like The Mandalorian theme tune.
David, this is not chatter, This is a choir of devil's having their tails shredded!
The few teeth left in my maw would have shattered and fallen [even faster] had I had to listen to this awful concert.
You are either brave, deaf, or both ;-)
not trying to put you out of a job but wouldn't EDM be a reasonable option for machining materials like this? Love the content, thank you for sharing
It would take weeks to edm through those chunks. Sure, it's possible. Can't beat the mmr, material removal rate of trepanning
Very interesting idea. In fact EDM or ECM might be possible and I imagine a very thin 'cutter' could be used. But I think these are usually graphite? Will have to explore.Thanks for the tip.
when you first put the workpiece in the chuck, how do you get the steady rest aligned without a center hole in the end of the work?
He was doing the 31" long bar first. On shorter jobs you can support all the weight with the chuck jaws, true up at the chuck and hammer (soft/copper mallet) the end of the bar true...doing so requires moving back and forth (from chuck end to steady end) until both are true..then set the steady to the diameter of the bar which is now running concentric to the machine...if the bars at 41" are the same diameter as the 31" long bars then the steady is already set and doesn't have to be touched..
As for his longer jobs (50"+) he shows you in one of his other videos, marks the centre of the bar and uses his revolving centre as a guide to set the rollers of the steady.
When I set a steady I usually run the machine for 5 minutes (without cutting) to make sure the job isn't walking. Especially when your working on a ø36" x 40" long. The weight is close to 2.2T and when removing the centre it drop .010"-.015" in the steady.
@@seanb9818 thanks for the detailed explanation
@@seanb9818 when I do marine bearings weighing tons, I'll measure the diameter where the steady runs, run the tailstock center over the rollers and use math and ID mics to run the steady rollers up to the radius of the measured work diameter. With no center in the end of the work, you can drop a steady on and adjust rollers with the work piece still on the floor. Doesn't hurt to run the rollers up a couple extra thou.
I aslo run the machine a few minutes to watch for it walking, usually working up to the rpm I'll machine at. If you have trouble with a couple ton of material, the chuck clutches are adjusted so they can't slow it down that quickly at 80rpm, it can become big trouble.. so it's best to play it safe be careful
@sma11 i know what you mean, I often have the revolving centre (with jammer) around .050" away from the face and start the machine up. If it walks it'll start spinning the centre but won't walk to far as if have the centre locked off. The machine I'm talking about is a Herbert 14/36. We don't have a saddle on it so we can swing 35.5". Mainly used for trepanning.
What are people doing with these cylindrical pieces of metal? I imagine it's many things.
What is the rope for around the steady rest
To hold up one or more of the splash shields that keep most of the coolant in circulation rather than on the workshop floor making a slip hazard.
Only 1 box of beer?
Hi David, hope you’re keeping well with the aid of john smiths to the rescue, the question I would like to know is how long did it take take to do the longest piece in the job? Have a great week ahead pal. Phil
Dave to the rescue.......
6:11 it's SOS signal from alien spacecraft)
Theres no friends in business. Always remember that!!
2:03 Sounds like it's dying 🥲