I tried a 4x4 waveform antenna a while back based on your vids. I'm in a forested canyon, and it unfortunately didn't work for me. Waveform customer service was amazing though, giving tips via text, and even extended my return window beyond Amazon's so I could do more testing before returning it directly to Waveform and getting a refund. Thanks for your videos on this.
Always great to see new products! Hope to see everyone on the livestream tonight at 7PM! So many good friendly people, great conversations and lots of laughs!
Thank you for this Andrew. Excellent video and anything with rural internet access is important for everyone who has moved to a less stressful life. Keep up the great work!
When you get fiber look into a router that you can setup a backup wan for seamless wan fail over. TP link omada and ubiquiti unifi or edge router x are a few to mention.
Your probably seeing the internet "test" station when you run a speed test. That is not where you are getting signal from, it's where you are connecting to via the internet.
Wow it looks like all those lines have Ferrite Chokes made in them!! (15:20) That typically helps with interference issues. If you don't have them on your current lines I recommend adding them to it.
Also it's always important to have multiple WANS or internet connections. if you use a PFsense box you can connect all the WANS up and do load balancing and automatic fail over for all the wan's Anyway it should prevent you being 100% out unless everything goes down at once.
I have been waiting on fiber at our property we are currently developing. The boxes were installed along the road almost 9 months ago but it still not available. We have some time yet before we will be putting a house on the property and moving but hopefully it is not too long before it is available. The cell service is terrible there too although they are putting a new cell tower up less than a mile away so that may also improve once that comes online. Fingers crossed.
@TKCL Thanks for the many helpful videos. When using a cellular based router, that is using a SIM Card with a voice and data plan attached to it, is it possible to make and receive telephone calls, the same as if the SIM was in a cell phone? Or must the SIM card be removed & installed into a cell phone to do that? If it’s possible, what additional equipment would be involved? It is my hope to find a device (or devices) that would allow connecting a land-line-style telephone to the router, allowing the router to communicate (via voice) essentially the same as a cell phone, so I wouldn’t need to swap the SIM back & forth between the two.
I will be moving to an area that has zero internet. Wish there was a way to test a service to really figure out which service to go with. I will be moving to the country in Havana FL
Thanks for the update. If I heard correctly you’re running to separate networks, home and shop. Does or can your smartphone connect to the shop network when not on the property?
Two networks is correct, although I don't technically need it. The only way I can connect to the shop when not home is through my security system or solar.
I have my country “casita” like that. You should check the specs on the tower. In my case I can get 50mbps most times. But, and a big but, I know the tower has a single 4g 10mhz bandwidth channel. So 50mbps is all it can give for the 600 users it can handle. And indeed, when there is a fair in the near town, weekends etc, the speed is crap. Starlink is the way to go.
So I went to cell map to look for closest tower and its with in 10 mile from my home but its not broadcasting in my direction ,"out side the lines", checked T mobile and Verizon , my question is will this still work? Thanks for any help, Great Video as always!
Enjoy the videos! Appreciate your indepth analysis on the Cellular boosters I'm getting ready to move to an area where I don't get any cell signal at the house using ATT (I might get a blip of service walking around outside). I can go up the hill a little ways and would start picking up the signal. A couple of questions if you might be able to answer: (1) Will boosters (either Hiboost or Waveform) pick up the signal from any carrier tower? Suppose someone comes over who has Verizon or T-Mobile....will they be able to get a boosted signal or do you have to purchase a system for your exact carrier? (2) As mentioned, I have ATT, but will also need internet service, as, like you, I work remotely. But, I was thinking of going with T-Mobile using the Netbuddy system. How would this work? How would I be able to use the booster on the ATT network for my phone but want to use T-Mobile for my internet? Thanks and again much appreciate your good quality videos.
They are two different systems and don't compliment each other. One is for cellular and it does work on all carriers. The netbuddy is for internet only. I only recommend you get the netbuddy SIM for whatever carrier has the best signal at your location. Waveform antennas will certainly help this.
All of the cell carriers are busy sunsetting the 3G & 4G equipment and installation of the 5G LTE equipment all across the country. It is a never ending process with technology.
@@TKCL I just purchased the Netbuddy 5G Outdoor Router and the Waveform Quadpro Directional 4x4 MIMO antenna. I hope to connect it up in the next few days. I will reply here when I think I have the best connection order for the cables from the antenna to the SMA connectors on the router.
The T-Mobile lower frequency (band N71) 5G service is really the best for long distances, just because of the lower frequency carrier band. The lower frequency can penetrate through foliage, some buildings and travels further than higher frequencies. The downside is that it cannot provide as much aggregate bandwidth as the higher frequencies.
Latency, Latency, Latency? . . . . . . . A ping rate of less than 100ms is considered acceptable, but for optimal performance, latency in the range of 30-40ms is desirable. Using ethernet cable gives you a faster and more reliable internet connection. This is because a wireless connection relies on radio waves, and speed is lost when data is converted every time it’s sent and received. With an ethernet cable, data is transferred in an instant via the wired connection. Most all the difference you're observing is 100% from the internal AP Not the router. You're injecting a 50% LOSS in speed via the Orbi, what are you not seeing 🤔 ???
Absolutely not getting a 50 percent loss. The phone ALWAYS has slower speeds than my computer for some reason. I can run a speed test upstairs connected to the cellular router and then connect to the Orbi and there is usually very little to any speed difference. Outside over the phone and a satellite I do expect some drop. Don't forget in this same video I got 120ish down on the computer upstairs and over 100 outside via phone. Yes one speed test netted 274, but it changes all the time when testing for various reasons you are aware of.
I tried a 4x4 waveform antenna a while back based on your vids. I'm in a forested canyon, and it unfortunately didn't work for me. Waveform customer service was amazing though, giving tips via text, and even extended my return window beyond Amazon's so I could do more testing before returning it directly to Waveform and getting a refund. Thanks for your videos on this.
That's great to hear about the support. Sadly there are still areas that are out if cell range and sometimes this doesn't work.
Always great to see new products! Hope to see everyone on the livestream tonight at 7PM! So many good friendly people, great conversations and lots of laughs!
See you then, take care!
Thank you for this Andrew. Excellent video and anything with rural internet access is important for everyone who has moved to a less stressful life. Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it
would love to see a test of the old 4x4 panel vs the new one shown at the end of the video and a couple of tests of the mini portable antenna
When you get fiber look into a router that you can setup a backup wan for seamless wan fail over. TP link omada and ubiquiti unifi or edge router x are a few to mention.
Thanks
I like both of those new ones! very sleek, thanks Andrew! I actually referred someone to your channel again for solar the other day
Thank you very much
Thanks for the video...please do more like this. Especially the updates on your fiber internet implementation.
You got it!
Mines picking up signal from georgia and im in tennessee and it's the best signal I get I good download and 50/50 good upload
Your probably seeing the internet "test" station when you run a speed test. That is not where you are getting signal from, it's where you are connecting to via the internet.
Wow it looks like all those lines have Ferrite Chokes made in them!! (15:20) That typically helps with interference issues. If you don't have them on your current lines I recommend adding them to it.
Also it's always important to have multiple WANS or internet connections. if you use a PFsense box you can connect all the WANS up and do load balancing and automatic fail over for all the wan's Anyway it should prevent you being 100% out unless everything goes down at once.
Thank you
very cool! gotta keep up with the new tech to keep your speeds up!
Shocking results
@@TKCL its a supprise what the latest technology will do for us!
Hi, Andrew! As always you did a stellar demonstration! See you at 7:00.
Thanks again!
Great review of new equipment and lots of info....thank you once again.
My pleasure!
Very nice new equipment. We are super happy with our fiber. Never thought it would come out here. Hope you like yours too
Can't wait
Nice review and incredible download speed there.
I have been waiting on fiber at our property we are currently developing. The boxes were installed along the road almost 9 months ago but it still not available. We have some time yet before we will be putting a house on the property and moving but hopefully it is not too long before it is available. The cell service is terrible there too although they are putting a new cell tower up less than a mile away so that may also improve once that comes online. Fingers crossed.
Best of luck
oh damn i missed this video, keeps the series going
Made alot of videos
@@TKCL yeah I must've overlooked it :(
@TKCL Thanks for the many helpful videos. When using a cellular based router, that is using a SIM Card with a voice and data plan attached to it, is it possible to make and receive telephone calls, the same as if the SIM was in a cell phone? Or must the SIM card be removed & installed into a cell phone to do that? If it’s possible, what additional equipment would be involved? It is my hope to find a device (or devices) that would allow connecting a land-line-style telephone to the router, allowing the router to communicate (via voice) essentially the same as a cell phone, so I wouldn’t need to swap the SIM back & forth between the two.
I will be moving to an area that has zero internet. Wish there was a way to test a service to really figure out which service to go with. I will be moving to the country in Havana FL
Try a cell phone or use a service like T mobile that takes returns. I believe Netbuddy also has a 10 day return period.
Thats some nice equipment! 💪
It sure is!
Hi Andrew, interesting information, Thankyou !! 👍👍❤️❤️🇨🇦
Thank you for watching
Awesome video. 😊
Thanks for the update. If I heard correctly you’re running to separate networks, home and shop. Does or can your smartphone connect to the shop network when not on the property?
Two networks is correct, although I don't technically need it. The only way I can connect to the shop when not home is through my security system or solar.
I have my country “casita” like that. You should check the specs on the tower. In my case I can get 50mbps most times. But, and a big but, I know the tower has a single 4g 10mhz bandwidth channel. So 50mbps is all it can give for the 600 users it can handle. And indeed, when there is a fair in the near town, weekends etc, the speed is crap. Starlink is the way to go.
So I went to cell map to look for closest tower and its with in 10 mile from my home but its not broadcasting in my direction ,"out side the lines", checked T mobile and Verizon , my question is will this still work? Thanks for any help, Great Video as always!
That's tough to say, if you have decent cell phone signal, it should work.
For the speed test and cellmapper, what would you recommend as I would be out of ping of all the towers?
Starlink satellite is your only option if you have zero towers available.
Things seem to be really improving - I still have 1.5MB DSL....something like that would be unbelievable to me!
I totally understand, for the longest time I was getting 3mbps.
Enjoy the videos! Appreciate your indepth analysis on the Cellular boosters I'm getting ready to move to an area where I don't get any cell signal at the house using ATT (I might get a blip of service walking around outside). I can go up the hill a little ways and would start picking up the signal. A couple of questions if you might be able to answer: (1) Will boosters (either Hiboost or Waveform) pick up the signal from any carrier tower? Suppose someone comes over who has Verizon or T-Mobile....will they be able to get a boosted signal or do you have to purchase a system for your exact carrier? (2) As mentioned, I have ATT, but will also need internet service, as, like you, I work remotely. But, I was thinking of going with T-Mobile using the Netbuddy system. How would this work? How would I be able to use the booster on the ATT network for my phone but want to use T-Mobile for my internet? Thanks and again much appreciate your good quality videos.
They are two different systems and don't compliment each other. One is for cellular and it does work on all carriers. The netbuddy is for internet only. I only recommend you get the netbuddy SIM for whatever carrier has the best signal at your location. Waveform antennas will certainly help this.
@@TKCL Great! Thank you so much for your reply and enjoy your videos!
All of the cell carriers are busy sunsetting the 3G & 4G equipment and installation of the 5G LTE equipment all across the country. It is a never ending process with technology.
It appears to be that way.
Thank you for this info.!!!
When will you be testing this new panel.???
It will be a few weeks, I'm not expecting much improvement but you never know.
@@TKCL I just purchased the Netbuddy 5G Outdoor Router and the Waveform Quadpro Directional 4x4 MIMO antenna. I hope to connect it up in the next few days. I will reply here when I think I have the best connection order for the cables from the antenna to the SMA connectors on the router.
You are an encyclopedia!!!
I try...
The T-Mobile lower frequency (band N71) 5G service is really the best for long distances, just because of the lower frequency carrier band. The lower frequency can penetrate through foliage, some buildings and travels further than higher frequencies. The downside is that it cannot provide as much aggregate bandwidth as the higher frequencies.
N71 is the exact band I'm locked into.
You've gotta try out MikroTik LTE/5G routers!
If you want you can combine the two internet connections via a dual wan Switch
Should have tried new antenna to see upload speeds are faster on Verizon
Have you considered Space X Starlink?
Just ordered my T-Mobile cellular internet. Tired of that 100$ cox cable bill
I guess it wouldn't be nice for me to flex my 1.5gig speeds up AND down would it? Oh and we pay 80 a month.
I got 2 gig coming soon..
@@TKCL ohhh got me lol.
Andrew, am I wrong? You keep referring to a "router", but aren't you actually talking about a modem?
It's all in one
It's a router, not a modem
Latency, Latency, Latency?
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A ping rate of less than 100ms is considered acceptable, but for optimal performance, latency in the range of 30-40ms is desirable.
Using ethernet cable gives you a faster and more reliable internet connection. This is because a wireless connection relies on radio waves, and speed is lost when data is converted every time it’s sent and received. With an ethernet cable, data is transferred in an instant via the wired connection.
Most all the difference you're observing is 100% from the internal AP Not the router.
You're injecting a 50% LOSS in speed via the Orbi, what are you not seeing 🤔
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Absolutely not getting a 50 percent loss. The phone ALWAYS has slower speeds than my computer for some reason. I can run a speed test upstairs connected to the cellular router and then connect to the Orbi and there is usually very little to any speed difference. Outside over the phone and a satellite I do expect some drop. Don't forget in this same video I got 120ish down on the computer upstairs and over 100 outside via phone. Yes one speed test netted 274, but it changes all the time when testing for various reasons you are aware of.
Orbi is absolutely garbage. Need to switch to Unifi
Been working excellent for me