I'd forgotten all about 4483. I live near the area and my dad used to take me to see it all the time as a kid. Kind of crazy that the youtube algorithm sent me this video. Man, if I had a few million dollars I'd restore it to working condition.
*Exactly... With all of the millionaires and billionaires in this country, NOT ONE of these clowns is into railroads and vintage railroad equipment??? I'm with you on that*
@@chooch1764 That describes the track, or whatever is left of it. The ties are non-existent and the ones that are there are rotted. Moving it will probably spread the rails like it's done for the BCK 43 diesel which has derailed in place.
for those wondering why it is just rotting in hamburg: it is owned by WNYRHS and they have museum facilities in Buffalo, about 20 miles north of where this locomotive is stored on the Buffalo Southern (ex Erie Buffalo and southwestern branch). in order to get it into the city, the locomotive would have to be moved on NS right of way. currently, 4483 still has friction bearings as opposed to more modern roller bearings and is the main reason NS refuses to handle it. this is the sole reason it hasnt been moved to the city to be put on display as the cost to convert this old beast to roller bearings is immense. especially for a locomotive that will likely only ever be a static display additionally you mentioned in the video that the tender appeared to be small for the size of 4483. you would be correct, as most of its service life this locomotive had pennsy long-haul trailing behind. that tender was traded to the T1 trust for this one as part of their T1 project.
Hey mate. I know the WNYRHS. And your assessment of 4483 having to be moved onto the CSX right of way is wrong. It has to be moved to NS trackage from the Buffalo Southern. So, fact check.
Great video! I live right down the street from this beauty and have always loved driving by and seeing it, but also sad to see it sit and get eaten up by the elements. The paint has been kept up on at least so it stillb looks good. I know it will never be running again it would cost millions to restore; but The western New York railroad historical society is trying to move it to downtown Buffalo in a museum. It does seem weird that a Pennsylvania locomotive is in Hamburg New York but 4483 was actually last operated on the Ebenezer branch not far from where is sits for years before retired in the 50s.
Surprised the RR Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg (across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road) isn't/hasn't been all over this. The majority of their collection seems specifically intended to showcase PRR steam locomotives.
The railroad museum of Pennsylvania has. What was the historical collection of the Pennsylvania Railroad itself. For some reason that I do not know. The pennsylvania did not keep an example of an I1sa. 4483 Had been on display outside of a Westinghouse facility. But they could no longer keep it and offered it for free to any railway historical society that could move it off their property. I do know from what I've read that. The railroad museum of pennsylvania did look into acquiring her but we're not able to.
@@thetankcommander3838if it's their Crown Jewel then they should do something with it. Another comment said that NS refuses to touch it because of friction bearings, well why doesn't steam friendly Norfolk Southern move it onto a flatcar and haul it? What is the word I'm looking for, they get some positive publicity out of it. Why does it HAVE TO ONLY BE A DISPLAY locomotive? Of course there's dozens of excursion engines with flue time and nowhere to go. ORHF in Oregon, with the 700 and the 4449, the huge just finished ex Santa Fe Northern in New Mexico, all dressed up and nowhere to go. But it sure would be neat to have it pull everything out of the yard but the dirt, like it was designed. I know exactly what you people are going to reply and before you do, get over yourselves.
@ so, you may not be aware of the situation, but I will lay down the factors for you: 1) NS has moved their headquarters from Roanoke down to Atlanta. The increased distance hampers communication. 2) NS changed CEO’s recently, so the company is having a shuffle within the higher-ups. This again hampers communications 3) When you say “steam friendly”, that has changed over the past ten years. NS only wishes to work with larger non-profits such as Fort Wayne. 4) 4483 cannot just be moved. It has to be discussed between Buffalo Southern and Norfolk Southern. They have to use both company’s trackage to get there. 5) The weight of 4483 is a bit of a challenge. Even with its empty weight, 4483 weighs over 200 tons. That’s more than a full AC44-9. 6) Because of having to go through NS, the WNYRHS has been dealing with issues as NS keeps directing us to people that either don’t know what they’re doing or just don’t care. 8) Regarding starting 4483 back up, the issue is its firebox. The firebox is a rare “belpaire” design, which only one other locomotive project in the country has, and that is Pennsylvania Railroad K-4 1361. We will not have answers on whether or not it is possible until we hear the progress of 1361. There is a lot that goes into this. But fear not, with the project that I have insights into that the WNYRHS is working on, these issues will be rectified.
The Western New York Railway Historical Society owns this beauty. I see her when I visit Artcraft Trains. As a railfan and a Pennsylvania Railroad fan it saddens me seeing her sit there. There have been plans to move 4483 to the Discovery Center in Buffalo, NY what seems like forever. As time rolls by it seems less and less likely that will ever happen. I personally believe as the last I1SA that 4483 belongs at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg, PA.
Awesome video of this beautiful soul surviver! It's great that there is a Hippo still around, and you can tell she's starting to rust a little bit. They should have her indoors somewhere instead of leaving her out in the elements.
The WNYRHS is working on property management. Problem is dealing with NS dragging their heals everywhere. How do I know? I’m in contact with the Board of Trustees.
I, for one, didn't know of this locomotive. Thanks for the close up views of it's details, and it's environment. I've only seen old photos of these engines from back in the day, so this was a real treat. 👍👍
I actually like this better than the big boy. That's all wrapped in casing, here you can see all the rivets holding it together! Originally tinnitus was called Boilermaker ear, cuz that's the union that built them! Mine! I'm a proud retired boilermaker!
What a beauty and a beast at the same time! Great commentary and information, steamers are something I really don’t know too much about, they definitely take a whole other skill set to operate. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼😎🇺🇸
2-10-0s were universally called Decapods (ten driving wheels), or in Pennsy parlance, "decks." 3:10: Looking at the firebox, note that the outer sheet metal has been removed to allow the removal of asbestos insulation, which covered the entire boiler.
In the process of getting a model of one of these behemoths, I really do hope someone is able to get the Iron Hippo steamed up again someday. These engines were never glamorous things, but they were a backbone of infrastructure in their time.
I live in Niagara Falls NY and i collect lionel trains and I buy them from Artcraft toy trains and I get to see this engine all the time. But it is sad she the last one of her kind. She needs to be preserved
I’m fairly certain I can hear music from a Halloween decoration in the background, the same music that a decoration my neighbor of mine has plays lol. On a more pertinent note, she is a gorgeous engine, here’s hoping she makes it to a museum!
Nice to see it is in decent shape, but a shame they didn't cap the stack. They have kept her painted which helps. We probably won't see her run again, but who knows with guys like Andy at the Reading & Northern around? Stranger things have happened. Thanks for the video!
@@infaredxkingz8786 My, what a sourpuss response. I happen to not be all that fond of the PRR myself due to their poor mgmt, but I can still see the value in a PRR Decapod under steam again. We are all entitled to our opinions.
The important thing is that the corrosive asbestos lagging has been removed from the boiler. If they did that, they also probably got it off the cylinders, and replaced the jackets. Looks like it's been painted not that long ago. Thus it's not really rotting away. Looks very restorable, although the wheel treads need turning. Any idea whether there is a plan for it, possibly going to Strasburg?
Thanks for the info about the lagging; I didn't know it was corrosive and had wondered why they always seemed to remove it and leave the boiler exposed. From what I've read online, the WNYRHS is attempting to get her moved to a covered display site in Buffalo.
I wasn't aware that one survived. This is a treasure. Why hasn't this been preserved? Would love to see and hear this one in action. Too bad it doesn't have a coast to coast tender.
Used to park next to this locomotive when it was parked near the Hamburg station which is a hobby shop now and this is a big one, originally was donated to the Westinghouse factory in Pennsylvania but then it was moved to Hamburg
Honestly I think the thing about the tender is that the tender for it is in North Collins behind Sherman Avenue (I think, I don’t know the I1sa very well) and actually it’s been bought for the T1 trust since it’s like one of the only quad axle tenders left out there
I wonder why there is no stack cap on it? That would keep the rain out of the smokebox and cylinders etc. and reduce deterioration. One good thing is that the jacket is off so it isn't deteriorating under lagging.
Even if the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania (actually) ever got it, they wouldn’t work on it right away, because they are busy with cosmetic restorations for PRR 1670, then 7688, 520, 3750, and 6755.
It's not the original tender that was couple to this locomotive. It was scraped on the grounds of Bethlehem Steel before being moved. They wanted it off the property.
They had one of the Monster 8-axle tenders, and that was sold to the T-1 Trust, which saved them a lot of money to build a new tender for the T-1. All they have to do, is add the streamlining.
In the unlikely event this is ever restored to running condition, it would be nice to switch the headlight and generator back to their original positions.
Nothing beyond cosmetically to the best of my knowledge. The locomotive is owned by the Western New York railway historical society. And they intend to move it to a shelter location. They have closer to downtown buffalo, but they've had issues with being able to move it over Norfolk Southerns tracks. It has friction bearings and apparently, Norfolk Southern is balking at allowing it over their line.
That's a beautiful old work horse that should be someplace a bit more protective. I'm proud of whoever has been keeping it around. I hope someone with the money and facilities more fitting will step up and help.
That tender is correct for some of the I1sa combinations, whereas the 'coast-to-coast' or centipede type found on the M1 and J came with some of them, probably years after the I1's were put in service.
I don’t know how you would move it to Strasburg if you could move it. The railroads now take a very dim view of anything that might complicate their tight schedule largely single track operations. Maybe the Pa RR Museum at Strasburg would have enough friends in high places to pull it off but it would cost a bundle just to prepare it for a VERY low speed move to get it there.
Wow! Pennsylvania Railroad I1SA 2-10-0 #4483! Such a beautiful steam locomotive! I hope that someday we'll be able to restore her to operating condition.
Привет из России! Я был лично знаком с Гарри, основателем фирмы Файн Арт Модел. Он мне говорил, что содержит в штате Мичиган 12 паровозов на средства фирмы. Светлая память, достойный был человек.
@thetankcommander3838 Thank you, actually, I received a bronze medal at the Model Engineer exhibition, and a member of the Gauge one association, my number is 8374.
It’s the PRR Tittie engine !!!Railroad Museum of Pa should have traded NKP Berk believe it was 757 for this engine, this is the only missing engine from the PRR historical collection not in Strasburg. The reason RRMoPa doesn’t have it is because PRR had it on display at Westinghouse. When that plant closed the engine when to these chaps in NY and they haven’t done an extremely bad job of keeping after her. She’s been painted a few times over the years and they removed the Asbestos and jacketing to preserve the boiler shell. I was disappointed they donated her coast to coast tender to be modified for the T1 project but it’s not really needed anyway and these short tenders were the original tenders for the I1s.
Tipping over on the eroding track/rail bed....never to be moved, again. 😪 #4483 Should be at the PRR Museum, for all interested fans to see, not hidden away in Hamburg, NY.
FYI, that track is the Buffalo Southerns, NOT the WNYRRHS ! The ties have deteriorated so much that BCK diesel switcher (which is operational) derailed in place due to the rails spreading.
It’s not PRR Museum, it’s the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. The museum is busy with other projects right now including the cosmetic restoration PRR 1670, then 7688, 520, 3750, and 6755.
Strasburg railroad has similar 2-10-0 that still might be in their shop for inspection service, but I think this one you have here is a much wider boiler type locomotive.
It's a sad shame that this old girl hasn't been restored and put into service as an excursion train at least by now because sometimes everything old can be new again !
I just got back from the Pennsylvania Railtoad museum on 11-2-2024 and had a very good conversation with a person who knows the story behind this locomotive. It was on its way to the museum. Made a stop in New York and somehow stayed there ? The group who claims this locomotive is NOT rightfully theirs ! They were approached by the museum and nothing came of it. I was tolded it is worth a million dollars as it sits.I asked why there wasn't a lawsuit started but he doesn't know the answer. So let it sit and rot away because this place can't afford proper rails for it to sit on let alone a pipe dream to rebuild it. Sad, let it go where it belongs and get the experience proper attention it deserves !
Maybe the railroad museum in Altoona would display this indoors. They have few steam engines…..and if the museum in Strasburg doesn’t want this…..they might. Beautiful locomotive
There Were A Total 598 OF These Built IN The Juniata Shops IN Altoona Pennsylvania The I1sa Class 2-10-0 Decapods Were Pennsylvania Railroad's Primary Freight Haulers Orders OF These Locomotives Were Submitted Between 1916 And 1923
Mr Miz, my fine fellow. If you plan on showing up to the Hamburg Train & Toy Show at the Hamburg Fairgrounds in three weeks, you just might find something out about 4483 that you did not know before. 😏 😏 😏
Awesome video, thanks! That engine demands one of those doghouse tenders. Since there's no driver rods, does it get moved around and possibly put indoors? It looks cosmetically restored.
Interesting seeing the flangeless drive wheel. Will this ever be restored? Or too much internal damage and co$to restore? Why the problem with friction bearings? Can't be lubed and moved slowly and watched? Thank you.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no plan to restore this locomotive to operating condition. The Western New York railway historical society wants to move it to a site in downtown Buffalo. That would be covered but I haven't seen any definitive plan on when that would happen.
Do US Class I railroads have the same ban on flangeless driving wheels as here in the UK? Here, survivors of arguably the best steam locos ever built in Britain, the British Railways 2-10-0 9F (designed by Robin Riddles) have been prohibited for years from 'the big railway' due to check rail clearances.
I think 4483 should be restored for operation in the near future and maybe good place for her to run would the ex Allegheny Portrage railroad and also in New Jersey on the BR&W
This old girl needs a home. Any chance it's going to go into the Pennsylvania railroad museum or even be restored.? Such a shame she has to sit out in the weather and slowly rust away 🥺
The plan is to somehow move this to Lee St in Buffalo to the HDC (Heritage Discovery Center) along with most of the cars in storage in Hamburg and on the South Buffalo RR property if they can get funds.
They need to get their crap together and get it under a roof, or sell it to someone who will. So tired of these preservation societies that don't preserve anything.
Agreed... in oregon recently we had a "historical society" have a alco fa and the last of the origonal american freedom cars get scrapped... the cars may have been land locked but they never requested for help nor did they try to sell the equipment. All of its gone now / : They also had two s4s get scrapped a few years prior @princessofthecape2078
I hope that they restore this magnificent 2-10-0 before it becomes so far gone that it has to be scrapped. I’d love to see what it can do with a 90 car train of hoppers!
Im not sure which preservation groups are nearby but im sure someone like fort Wayne railroad historical society or even steam railroading instute would be over the moon if they could find this locomotive even if they couldn't restore it right away im sure they would be able to eventually from what ive seen there are plenty of prr steamers in preservation but not many of them run right now i know someone is trying to get one of the k4s back on the rails and honestly it would be nice if someone could get this running too
As others have noted, so sad to see it just sitting out in the open. If it can't be moved to Buffalo on its own wheels due to the friction bearings, how about lifting it up on a very heavy-duty flatcar and moving it that way? Sure, it would cost some money, but what doesn't these days? Renting big cranes, plus the rail side. I do appreciate the difficulty the historical society must have raising funds for a project like this, though. I hope some solution can be found Long-term Pennsy loco fan.......
These are just beasts and were impressive machines and pieces of technology. It’s a shame it’s just sitting there with no roof over it exposed to the elements. The best way to preserve a steam locomotive is to have it in operational condition. She would be great to run in the tourist railroad it looks to be on, assuming the open passenger rolling stock across from it. But also as the saying goes… “They may be slow, but they have a lot of pull.” 😁
I'd forgotten all about 4483. I live near the area and my dad used to take me to see it all the time as a kid. Kind of crazy that the youtube algorithm sent me this video. Man, if I had a few million dollars I'd restore it to working condition.
@@pux0rb you and me both....
@@MrMiz1113 I'd restore that engine
*Exactly... With all of the millionaires and billionaires in this country, NOT ONE of these clowns is into railroads and vintage railroad equipment??? I'm with you on that*
@@JungleYTthe few that are don't spend money on restorations, just riding first class in passenger cars and schmoozing with other rich people.
@@BryanPhillips-tk1km *In other words, just taking up and wasting space in this mortal coil... Got it*
It's awful seeing it rot out in the weather. That locomotive is a national treasure.
Asbestos has been removed, paint doesn't look too bad. Restorable.
Rot is a strong word.
@@chooch1764 It is clearly being cared for.
@@SteamCrane I know. I just don’t like people saying “rot”, because that’s a strong word.
@@chooch1764 That describes the track, or whatever is left of it. The ties are non-existent and the ones that are there are rotted. Moving it will probably spread the rails like it's done for the BCK 43 diesel which has derailed in place.
Great job talking about the history of this locomotive she's a beauty
for those wondering why it is just rotting in hamburg: it is owned by WNYRHS and they have museum facilities in Buffalo, about 20 miles north of where this locomotive is stored on the Buffalo Southern (ex Erie Buffalo and southwestern branch). in order to get it into the city, the locomotive would have to be moved on NS right of way. currently, 4483 still has friction bearings as opposed to more modern roller bearings and is the main reason NS refuses to handle it. this is the sole reason it hasnt been moved to the city to be put on display as the cost to convert this old beast to roller bearings is immense. especially for a locomotive that will likely only ever be a static display
additionally you mentioned in the video that the tender appeared to be small for the size of 4483. you would be correct, as most of its service life this locomotive had pennsy long-haul trailing behind. that tender was traded to the T1 trust for this one as part of their T1 project.
Hey mate. I know the WNYRHS. And your assessment of 4483 having to be moved onto the CSX right of way is wrong. It has to be moved to NS trackage from the Buffalo Southern. So, fact check.
Still in surprisingly good shape, though. No real visible rust. I do see that some of the drive linkages are missing though.
@ they are sitting in the tender.
@@thetankcommander3838 you are correct I will edit
@@jackswanson1723 don’t feel bad. Many people don’t know. I know because I’ve been inside the cab of 4483.
Great video! I live right down the street from this beauty and have always loved driving by and seeing it, but also sad to see it sit and get eaten up by the elements. The paint has been kept up on at least so it stillb looks good. I know it will never be running again it would cost millions to restore; but The western New York railroad historical society is trying to move it to downtown Buffalo in a museum. It does seem weird that a Pennsylvania locomotive is in Hamburg New York but 4483 was actually last operated on the Ebenezer branch not far from where is sits for years before retired in the 50s.
These statements are true. I live along the ex-Pennsy main myself. I am hoping we can see it fully operational again.
I hope one day this fantastic and now unique locomotive will be restored!!
Why do you wanna see a engine with a pair of boobs on the rails?
Me too.
That day just might come. 😏 😏 😏
Surprised the RR Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg (across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road) isn't/hasn't been all over this. The majority of their collection seems specifically intended to showcase PRR steam locomotives.
The railroad museum of Pennsylvania has. What was the historical collection of the Pennsylvania Railroad itself. For some reason that I do not know. The pennsylvania did not keep an example of an I1sa. 4483 Had been on display outside of a Westinghouse facility. But they could no longer keep it and offered it for free to any railway historical society that could move it off their property. I do know from what I've read that. The railroad museum of pennsylvania did look into acquiring her but we're not able to.
The WNYRHS has ZERO intention of letting any other museum have their crown jewel.
@@thetankcommander3838if it's their Crown Jewel then they should do something with it. Another comment said that NS refuses to touch it because of friction bearings, well why doesn't steam friendly Norfolk Southern move it onto a flatcar and haul it? What is the word I'm looking for, they get some positive publicity out of it. Why does it HAVE TO ONLY BE A DISPLAY locomotive? Of course there's dozens of excursion engines with flue time and nowhere to go. ORHF in Oregon, with the 700 and the 4449, the huge just finished ex Santa Fe Northern in New Mexico, all dressed up and nowhere to go. But it sure would be neat to have it pull everything out of the yard but the dirt, like it was designed. I know exactly what you people are going to reply and before you do, get over yourselves.
@ so, you may not be aware of the situation, but I will lay down the factors for you:
1) NS has moved their headquarters from Roanoke down to Atlanta. The increased distance hampers communication.
2) NS changed CEO’s recently, so the company is having a shuffle within the higher-ups. This again hampers communications
3) When you say “steam friendly”, that has changed over the past ten years. NS only wishes to work with larger non-profits such as Fort Wayne.
4) 4483 cannot just be moved. It has to be discussed between Buffalo Southern and Norfolk Southern. They have to use both company’s trackage to get there.
5) The weight of 4483 is a bit of a challenge. Even with its empty weight, 4483 weighs over 200 tons. That’s more than a full AC44-9.
6) Because of having to go through NS, the WNYRHS has been dealing with issues as NS keeps directing us to people that either don’t know what they’re doing or just don’t care.
8) Regarding starting 4483 back up, the issue is its firebox. The firebox is a rare “belpaire” design, which only one other locomotive project in the country has, and that is Pennsylvania Railroad K-4 1361. We will not have answers on whether or not it is possible until we hear the progress of 1361.
There is a lot that goes into this. But fear not, with the project that I have insights into that the WNYRHS is working on, these issues will be rectified.
It's sad it can't be restored 😔.
The Western New York Railway Historical Society owns this beauty. I see her when I visit Artcraft Trains. As a railfan and a Pennsylvania Railroad fan it saddens me seeing her sit there. There have been plans to move 4483 to the Discovery Center in Buffalo, NY what seems like forever. As time rolls by it seems less and less likely that will ever happen. I personally believe as the last I1SA that 4483 belongs at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg, PA.
Definitely get this Decapod out of the Upstate New York weather. I agree with you. Bring her to Pennsylvania with the rest of the collection.
@@thomasbutler6198 The weather isn't the issue, it's the track. What, it doesn't snow in PA???
Why would the type of bearing be a problem for CSX?
WNYRHS will NEVER give up this locomotive. And I support that.
@@videobruceb8879 Sure it does, A lot. But the RRMPA is constructing another building where it would be stored indoors.
Awesome video of this beautiful soul surviver! It's great that there is a Hippo still around, and you can tell she's starting to rust a little bit. They should have her indoors somewhere instead of leaving her out in the elements.
The WNYRHS is working on property management. Problem is dealing with NS dragging their heals everywhere. How do I know? I’m in contact with the Board of Trustees.
What a magnificent piece of engineering . Incredible machine.
I, for one, didn't know of this locomotive. Thanks for the close up views of it's details, and it's environment. I've only seen old photos of these engines from back in the day, so this was a real treat. 👍👍
She’s a beauty 😍👍😎
Fantastic video, well done! Very informative.
Thanks! Given how knowledgeable you are, that's high praise!
I agree! You did a fantastic job explaining a lot about this Beauty! Excellent video!
It really belongs up on Horseshoe Curve.
I actually like this better than the big boy. That's all wrapped in casing, here you can see all the rivets holding it together! Originally tinnitus was called Boilermaker ear, cuz that's the union that built them! Mine! I'm a proud retired boilermaker!
I hope they will restore that Locomotive one day.
Lovely Steam Engine, Lovely surroundings...
What a beauty and a beast at the same time! Great commentary and information, steamers are something I really don’t know too much about, they definitely take a whole other skill set to operate. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼😎🇺🇸
2-10-0s were universally called Decapods (ten driving wheels), or in Pennsy parlance, "decks."
3:10: Looking at the firebox, note that the outer sheet metal has been removed to allow the removal of asbestos insulation, which covered the entire boiler.
In the process of getting a model of one of these behemoths, I really do hope someone is able to get the Iron Hippo steamed up again someday. These engines were never glamorous things, but they were a backbone of infrastructure in their time.
What scale are you looking at? I actually bought my father one in N scale about 5 or 6 years ago.
Yes I take it and refurbish it definitely is not that bad of shape awesome
I live in Niagara Falls NY and i collect lionel trains and I buy them from Artcraft toy trains and I get to see this engine all the time. But it is sad she the last one of her kind. She needs to be preserved
WNYRHS has a project that will hopefully help.
I’m fairly certain I can hear music from a Halloween decoration in the background, the same music that a decoration my neighbor of mine has plays lol. On a more pertinent note, she is a gorgeous engine, here’s hoping she makes it to a museum!
Nice to see it is in decent shape, but a shame they didn't cap the stack. They have kept her painted which helps. We probably won't see her run again, but who knows with guys like Andy at the Reading & Northern around? Stranger things have happened. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Why would you want to see this sus engine on the rails? Pennsy already endorsed enough crack to build these engines and salvage one of them
@@infaredxkingz8786 rage bait lol... past your bed time?
@@infaredxkingz8786 My, what a sourpuss response. I happen to not be all that fond of the PRR myself due to their poor mgmt, but I can still see the value in a PRR Decapod under steam again. We are all entitled to our opinions.
@@infaredxkingz8786 Learn how to type first, Lamo
The important thing is that the corrosive asbestos lagging has been removed from the boiler. If they did that, they also probably got it off the cylinders, and replaced the jackets. Looks like it's been painted not that long ago. Thus it's not really rotting away. Looks very restorable, although the wheel treads need turning. Any idea whether there is a plan for it, possibly going to Strasburg?
Thanks for the info about the lagging; I didn't know it was corrosive and had wondered why they always seemed to remove it and leave the boiler exposed.
From what I've read online, the WNYRHS is attempting to get her moved to a covered display site in Buffalo.
I wasn't aware that one survived. This is a treasure. Why hasn't this been preserved? Would love to see and hear this one in action.
Too bad it doesn't have a coast to coast tender.
Its in someones private collection
Used to park next to this locomotive when it was parked near the Hamburg station which is a hobby shop now and this is a big one, originally was donated to the Westinghouse factory in Pennsylvania but then it was moved to Hamburg
You can't even buy steel and iron like that thing is made out of. Not no more.... Fantastic creation just waiting to be loved again.
Honestly I think the thing about the tender is that the tender for it is in North Collins behind Sherman Avenue (I think, I don’t know the I1sa very well) and actually it’s been bought for the T1 trust since it’s like one of the only quad axle tenders left out there
I wonder why there is no stack cap on it? That would keep the rain out of the smokebox and cylinders etc. and reduce deterioration. One good thing is that the jacket is off so it isn't deteriorating under lagging.
Somebody please get the engine and tender inside somewhere. Please !! Great video, great information.
Huh, just out there on the line too. Surprised a Pennsy museum hasn't acquired it yet.
Even if the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania (actually) ever got it, they wouldn’t work on it right away, because they are busy with cosmetic restorations for PRR 1670, then 7688, 520, 3750, and 6755.
They should restore the last Pennsylvania Railroad i1sa NOW!!!
This engine needs to be restored since it’s the last class of it’s kind
Thanks very interesting
Used to be located just down the road from me in Wilmerding PA.
It's not the original tender that was couple to this locomotive. It was scraped on the grounds of Bethlehem Steel before being moved. They wanted it off the property.
The owning group did have a larger PRR 210F75A tender that was sold to the T-1 Trust.
@maestromecanico597 thanks for that, I thought that's where the T1 project sourced the tender but couldn't remember for sure
@ Also, an excellent read is “Set Up Running” which details the life of a PRR hogger on these locomotives in this territory.
@@HistoricBF"found the tender"
There, fixed it.
I'm considering adding book reviews to the channel and Set Up Running is definitely on the list!
@ It is quite possibly the best first-person account of Great Depression/World War 2 railroading I’ve come across.
They had one of the Monster 8-axle tenders, and that was sold to the T-1 Trust, which saved them a lot of money to build a new tender for the T-1. All they have to do, is add the streamlining.
In the unlikely event this is ever restored to running condition, it would be nice to switch the headlight and generator back to their original positions.
Call me crazy or a phillistine, but I actually kinda like the way the face looks as it is.....
would 4483 get restored sometime.
Nothing beyond cosmetically to the best of my knowledge. The locomotive is owned by the Western New York railway historical society. And they intend to move it to a shelter location. They have closer to downtown buffalo, but they've had issues with being able to move it over Norfolk Southerns tracks. It has friction bearings and apparently, Norfolk Southern is balking at allowing it over their line.
That's a beautiful old work horse that should be someplace a bit more protective. I'm proud of whoever has been keeping it around. I hope someone with the money and facilities more fitting will step up and help.
WNYRHS has a project in the works to help 4483. But I can give no spoilers.
That tender is correct for some of the I1sa combinations, whereas the 'coast-to-coast' or centipede type found on the M1 and J came with some of them, probably years after the I1's were put in service.
I don’t know how you would move it to Strasburg if you could move it. The railroads now take a very dim view of anything that might complicate their tight schedule largely single track operations. Maybe the Pa RR Museum at Strasburg would have enough friends in high places to pull it off but it would cost a bundle just to prepare it for a VERY low speed move to get it there.
Wow! Pennsylvania Railroad I1SA 2-10-0 #4483! Such a beautiful steam locomotive! I hope that someday we'll be able to restore her to operating condition.
The frame and wheel base of this locomotive is pretty rigid.
WNYRHS has a project that will hopefully see that come to light.
@@thetankcommander3838 Well, that's good to know.
@ keep your ears on the airwaves. You just might find out something soon.
@@thetankcommander3838 Okay.
Привет из России! Я был лично знаком с Гарри, основателем фирмы Файн Арт Модел. Он мне говорил, что содержит в штате Мичиган 12 паровозов на средства фирмы. Светлая память, достойный был человек.
Fascinating to see a Russkie in these comments. I know a couple that I keep in touch with.
@thetankcommander3838 Thank you, actually, I received a bronze medal at the Model Engineer exhibition, and a member of the Gauge one association, my number is 8374.
@thetankcommander3838 ruclips.net/video/x7ljkLkXsVo/видео.html&si=T0-sKTTXThW1kBik
It’s the PRR Tittie engine !!!Railroad Museum of Pa should have traded NKP Berk believe it was 757 for this engine, this is the only missing engine from the PRR historical collection not in Strasburg. The reason RRMoPa doesn’t have it is because PRR had it on display at Westinghouse. When that plant closed the engine when to these chaps in NY and they haven’t done an extremely bad job of keeping after her. She’s been painted a few times over the years and they removed the Asbestos and jacketing to preserve the boiler shell.
I was disappointed they donated her coast to coast tender to be modified for the T1 project but it’s not really needed anyway and these short tenders were the original tenders for the I1s.
Tipping over on the eroding track/rail bed....never to be moved, again. 😪 #4483 Should be at the PRR Museum, for all interested fans to see, not hidden away in Hamburg, NY.
FYI, that track is the Buffalo Southerns, NOT the WNYRRHS ! The ties have deteriorated so much that BCK diesel switcher (which is operational) derailed in place due to the rails spreading.
It’s not PRR Museum, it’s the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. The museum is busy with other projects right now including the cosmetic restoration PRR 1670, then 7688, 520, 3750, and 6755.
Fact check: SHE IS NOT TIPPING OVER. Get that myth out of your head!
27" cylinders. The largest class of locomotives ever on any railroad - 598 built!
Strasburg railroad has similar 2-10-0 that still might be in their shop for inspection service, but I think this one you have here is a much wider boiler type locomotive.
This beautiful locomotive needs restoration just like the big boy 4014 got
It's a sad shame that this old girl hasn't been restored and put into service as an excursion train at least by now because sometimes everything old can be new again !
Wow, check out the wear on the main driver!
Why ain’t this big guy at Buffalo, NY? They were supposed to move it to the HDC!
Cool video thank you. Almost looks like a gg1 in front of
@@ricksadler797 thanks! That's actually an Alco switcher painted for the New York Central. I'll try and get that video up soon!
I just got back from the Pennsylvania Railtoad museum on 11-2-2024 and had a very good conversation with a person who knows the story behind this locomotive. It was on its way to the museum. Made a stop in New York and somehow stayed there ? The group who claims this locomotive is NOT rightfully theirs ! They were approached by the museum and nothing came of it. I was tolded it is worth a million dollars as it sits.I asked why there wasn't a lawsuit started but he doesn't know the answer. So let it sit and rot away because this place can't afford proper rails for it to sit on let alone a pipe dream to rebuild it. Sad, let it go where it belongs and get the experience proper attention it deserves !
Maybe the railroad museum in Altoona would display this indoors. They have few steam engines…..and if the museum in Strasburg doesn’t want this…..they might. Beautiful locomotive
Get her undercover...
The Railroaders Memorial Museum’s indoor spaces are full right now. Besides, they are busy restoring PRR K4s 1361 to operation.
There Were A Total 598 OF These Built IN The Juniata Shops IN Altoona Pennsylvania The I1sa Class 2-10-0 Decapods Were Pennsylvania Railroad's Primary Freight Haulers Orders OF These Locomotives Were Submitted Between 1916 And 1923
Mr Miz, my fine fellow. If you plan on showing up to the Hamburg Train & Toy Show at the Hamburg Fairgrounds in three weeks, you just might find something out about 4483 that you did not know before. 😏 😏 😏
Color me intrigued! I'm about 3 hours out so no promises but I'll keep an eye out!
@ November 23rd and 24th. Those are the dates!
Awesome video, thanks! That engine demands one of those doghouse tenders. Since there's no driver rods, does it get moved around and possibly put indoors? It looks cosmetically restored.
Interesting seeing the flangeless drive wheel. Will this ever be restored? Or too much internal damage and co$to restore?
Why the problem with friction bearings? Can't be lubed and moved slowly and watched? Thank you.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no plan to restore this locomotive to operating condition. The Western New York railway historical society wants to move it to a site in downtown Buffalo. That would be covered but I haven't seen any definitive plan on when that would happen.
This train should go to the pa train museum in lancaster pa 😊
man I wish that thing could run
It has 30x32 cylinder bore. A 32 inch stroke and 30 inch bore
30 and 1/2 inch bore cylinders
Apparently they had enough gumption that they would jerk violently from left to right with every piston stroke.
In Pennsy Power, Al Staufer talked about how the crews would wear kidney belts...
Is that just abandoned in a residential neighborhood? Must be cool to have that parked in their back yard.
Very nice. She needs to be under cover though.
That locomotive needs to be restored.
Lonely locomotive.
The cylinders were 30-1/2" x 32".
Great posting Mr. Miz. do you know the manufacture or type number of the steam dynamo on the front? It doesn't look like a K 240 or an M-06, Thanks.
I never could never understand why the PRR built these massive locomotives and then equipped them with tiny tenders.
From what I've read, the tenders were designed with running the mainline at speed with access to track pans.
Restore PRR 4483!!!!!😊❤🎉
Cosmetically
@@chooch1764hahahaha NO
@@Railfan-uf9mw There is currently no plan to restore it to operation.
Do US Class I railroads have the same ban on flangeless driving wheels as here in the UK? Here, survivors of arguably the best steam locos ever built in Britain, the British Railways 2-10-0 9F (designed by Robin Riddles) have been prohibited for years from 'the big railway' due to check rail clearances.
4483 had 2 tender cars and water car most trips.
It is a shame that it is standing out in the open. BLI has a really nice model of this in h0 , also with the long range 8 axel tender.
I think 4483 should be restored for operation in the near future and maybe good place for her to run would the ex Allegheny Portrage railroad and also in New Jersey on the BR&W
I wish they would but they weren't called Hippos for nothing; they pounded the rails something awful!
nice pair. the driving wheels i mean.
Here we go☠️
Wow I didn’t know that there was a 2-10-4 left where is this at I would love to get picks of her before she’s gone
Decapod, 2-10-0 not a 2-10-4.
This old girl needs a home. Any chance it's going to go into the Pennsylvania railroad museum or even be restored.? Such a shame she has to sit out in the weather and slowly rust away 🥺
She's owned by the Western New York Railway Historical Society, they've been keeping her relatively well maintained from what I saw.
I wonder how many locos like this are just sitting around in the US?
A lot, but a there’s a growing group of which that are operating or will return to operation.
Split knuckle....don't see that to often...also looks to be in healthy condition too...or at least, healthy in relation to it's current situation...
They are maintaining at least the paint job on her, it looks.fairly recent.
The plan is to somehow move this to Lee St in Buffalo to the HDC (Heritage Discovery Center) along with most of the cars in storage in Hamburg and on the South Buffalo RR property if they can get funds.
Obviously it us watched and well looked after. No graffiti.
There’s cameras all around
They let you go up and look and take pictures, just don’t climb on
Who owns it?
The Western New York Railway Historical Society.
They need to get their crap together and get it under a roof, or sell it to someone who will. So tired of these preservation societies that don't preserve anything.
Agreed... in oregon recently we had a "historical society" have a alco fa and the last of the origonal american freedom cars get scrapped... the cars may have been land locked but they never requested for help nor did they try to sell the equipment. All of its gone now / : They also had two s4s get scrapped a few years prior @princessofthecape2078
@@princessofthecape2078 It all costs $$$, care to donate?
Why isn't this in a museum?
Are there any other locomotives that have been never seen or lost and forgotten in the US?😮❤
If no one has, I hope this thing will be purchased and kept safe for preservation.
I hope that they restore this magnificent 2-10-0 before it becomes so far gone that it has to be scrapped. I’d love to see what it can do with a 90 car train of hoppers!
This engine with boobies?
This locomotive will never be scrapped.
Is she being restored to operational condition?
I wish she would be in a museum or working condition
Im not sure which preservation groups are nearby but im sure someone like fort Wayne railroad historical society or even steam railroading instute would be over the moon if they could find this locomotive even if they couldn't restore it right away im sure they would be able to eventually from what ive seen there are plenty of prr steamers in preservation but not many of them run right now i know someone is trying to get one of the k4s back on the rails and honestly it would be nice if someone could get this running too
Who owns this engine ???
As others have noted, so sad to see it just sitting out in the open. If it can't be moved to Buffalo on its own wheels due to the friction bearings, how about lifting it up on a very heavy-duty flatcar and moving it that way? Sure, it would cost some money, but what doesn't these days? Renting big cranes, plus the rail side. I do appreciate the difficulty the historical society must have raising funds for a project like this, though. I hope some solution can be found Long-term Pennsy loco fan.......
These are just beasts and were impressive machines and pieces of technology. It’s a shame it’s just sitting there with no roof over it exposed to the elements. The best way to preserve a steam locomotive is to have it in operational condition. She would be great to run in the tourist railroad it looks to be on, assuming the open passenger rolling stock across from it.
But also as the saying goes…
“They may be slow, but they have a lot of pull.” 😁
Do the main rods still exist? Can't do much restoration without the main rods.
I don't know for sure but given the care she's received, I'm guessing yes.
Is that a “Decapod”?
@@Mike-ij5hn yep!
How long has 4483 Ben sitting there?
Rear OF the locomotive you said towards the rear locomotive as if there are 2 or more locomotives
It's in front of that Loco, diesel switchers,