As an ISTJ who works in information technology, I am not afraid of new things. I am however; cautious of new things. It is that idea of whether or not the new thing is reliable. Never assume always confirm.
i hear a lot of inflection that serves to portray the meaning he wants to very effectively. it's just more subtle, but that's because he's being so careful about expressing himself precisely.
There is a warm, fuzzy passionate part of our hearts. But like i always say, If you don't know of it, or believe it, its because i don't think your worth showing it too. xD i care for my loved ones deeply and will give advice, a brief hug if dealing with an F type, and i will always have there back... even if I end up flattened on the floor (trust exercise). If your not a loved one... you will never see this in your lifetime.
Thank you for making these. I'm an INTJ female married to an ISTJ male, and when the vid reached the part with the kitten on the dashboard screaming "SLOW DOWN! YOU'RE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!" I had to laugh out loud. Summed up my marriage in a nutshell. He is the Watson to my Holmes, but I often have to stop to explain my masterplan to him...it's endearing.
Lisa Yahtzee That would once again mean that the ISTJ is inferior (or at least of lesser importance) than the INTJ. Sigh, can't the two ever be seen as equal in value, with the ISTJ more than just a 'henchman'?
Scorponizer Funny thing is, even though my INTJ brother is younger than me, I usually go with his ideas, and follow his master plan. Same with my baby ENFP brother, who is the one who ventures out and finds new experiences, with me helping him get where he wants to go.
Scorponizer Well, I was just thinking just because we are not the ones coming up with all the ideas and leading the way, doesn't mean we are less important or inferior. Without me, my brothers would struggle so much more to get to their goals, and would probably fall apart before they got where they wanted to go, or drift astray. We may not be the driving force, but we are the base that supports every driving force.
fould13 That's more like it :) That reminds me of me (INTJ) and my mother (ISFJ) actually. I come up with all kinds of plans to achieve certain things, but she slices through all of them mercilessly. I tend to lose track of reality in my ambitions and she is the one who keeps me from going too far.
Short but nice and direct explanation. :-) My favorite MBTI sources are Michael Pierce on youtube and personality junkie website, the most informative by far. What about a video series on comparing and contrasting seemingly similar types? Like INTP vs INTJ, INFP vs ISFP, ENTJ vs ESTJ, INFJ vs INFP, etc. Your watchers would love it.
00:58 I didn't know that the majority of ISTJ's don't relate to the stereotypical description. I questioned the validity of the mbti because I never related any ISTJ description. This video is really spot on.
A close family member of mine, who is an ISTJ, made his living on the ocean. I feel that your photo themes are so appropriate for this personality type, speaking from my own experience.Thanks! Enjoying and learning from your videos. :)
The ISTJ I know at least is quite open to new experience - I view it as him having to see for himself if some newfangled thing really works or not, so he ends up trying things out a lot. Given that there are three main methods of dealing with the inferior - denying, indulging and integration, might the grognard ISTJ stereotype be born in a similar way to the INFJ ascetic - they deny their repressed Ne, that unconscious drive to adventure, and as a result don't have a balance to Si, which then develops a hidebound nature? While if they have a positive relationship with Ne, they see their "little kid" come up with all sorts of ideas that seem like fun, so might as well? Not forgetting prudence, of course.
Michael Pierce I came up with it seeing ESFJ and ISTJ friends really love trying new things out and answering all the Ti dom / INFP questions from the Fe/Fi and Te/Ti revisits. Thought the same principle might be at work here. Progress! :O
Komatik i am willing to try things once, i have a "why not" attitude toward new things.Yes the new experience will be judged meticulously and likely not be repeated if i did not find a great deal of merit or enjoyment. For me Ne is mostly used for contingency planning, thinking of things that could go wrong. Murphy's Law.
This is true. Perhaps that's why I married an ENFP. He inspires me to get out of my comfort zone and try those new things. But only if they're not competely bonkers. 🙂
Yes, the stereotypes made me vehemently oppose being typed as ISTJ for a long time. However, I do enjoy math and science, especially physics, which is mostly math.
Hum well in my old RUclips videos my auxiliary is very Te and Si guides me. I have made a lot of guitar demos and amp and pedal demos and Si guides the sound and Te describes the process. Fi is used in my later videos in regards to talking about my views on things
I am an ENFP psychic astrologer, my dad was an ISTJ accountant (CPA). We never got along or understood each other, but we could have learned a lot from each other. Ah, to do it all over again now that I know.
If ISTJs are introverted judges, then their primary functions must be Ti Se, rest of the functions remain the same. Si is no judging function. So you just explained the ISTP
haha, so you really think a person stays the same for all of his life? You are just trying to show off your knowledge of Caesar's life (like, him waking up and spearing bears?). lol. Poor kid. Anyway, what I was talking about was the General/Emperor Caesar. Of course being a soldier and an emperor are two very different things. Thus he should adapt to this difference in order for him to act as the Emperor of Rome. So think +Sev Sevens, THINK. And by the way, who the hell talked about INFJs?? Damn man, you're so dumb. I really wish you were just a kid or else you're hopeless
The only thing I don't agree with you on is considering XSTJs, XSTPs, XNTPs, etc "sister types". I think sister types are types who share the same dominant function.
What? I thought sensory/sensing type people are more concerned about what it is now than what the future could be? So how could you say that ISTPs are planning for the future?
+Ric Zambales They calculate the now to predict the "nows" that will come as opposed to imagining an indefinite future and never considering any of the nows? That's my impression. Pragmatic instead of visionary.
put an sj in front of something they dont know how to do. all the other types will perform better. why? because they're too busy telling themselves 'i dont know this', too busy telling themselves how wrong they are, and too busy thinking about how they would be perceived by others.
Sure; the pictures I use in the videos are not examples of that type unless I explicitly state that they are in the audio. I use the pictures only because their expression or what not conveys something helpful.
no matter were i look, istjs are always portrayed as the least diverse personality type; is it true? i'm seeing its only 7 minutes compared to the others. if that is so, would it make the enfp the most diverse/inconsistent? awesome wht you do though
Thanks! I think part of the reason the ISTJ video is shorter is not because there aren't interesting things to say (they are just as interesting as the other personalities), but because its the second one I did, and I was trying to keep the videos shorter and more concise. But as I started describing personalities I am closer to, I'm afraid that started to fall apart. I want to add a bit more depth to the ISTJ in the INTJ video as a contrast. Although, in the sense of being diverse, if you mean Ne vs. Si, the ISTJ does tend to recoil from new possibilities while the ENFP is always searching for more, and in that sense ENFP does appear more diverse.
ah, thx for that explanation, makes perfect sense. also, coming from one of your viewers, i really dont think they should be shorter, you know the more time you spend talking about them the more vast the information gets and i think people like that way. just sayin ;)
We're seen that way because we're quite reserved. We think _a lot_ before we speak. We're not all a bunch of Vulcans though. Many of us are extremely creative, philosophical, and deep in our personal lives. However, when it comes to professional settings we're extremely logical & orderly which means emotions are not typically part of the equation. We struggle with expressing our feelings, even with family. If you're not one of us, you're not going to understand how truly complex & wonderful some of us are because we're not going to express it so willingly. We are there to get the job done in a practical manner with minimal interaction that is, to us, unnecessary. After a work project we probably won't go out to celebrate with you because we want to be alone or with those we are very close to the majority of the time. But if you do get to become close with one, we're overwhelmingly intriguing. We just don't show it. We will analyze a situation & all its possible outcomes to pick the best path for success. And while we prefer to use logic over emotion we definitely take the emotions of others into account because if we upset someone, that will cause delays & doubt of our abilities. While that might seem like a selfish reason, it's actually not, it's partly for efficiency and partly because we actually do consider how people feel. We don't see any logical purpose to tell you about ourselves unless you ask, it's counterproductive, so people assume we're pretty bland. We're just like this video. Spit the facts, get to the point quickly, anything else, you're going to have to ask for it.
You wouldn't, by any chance, happen to be an ISTJ yourself, would you? And... I'm having a lot of trouble accepting the idea of an ESTJ scientist. That would be disastrous!
Abby Gton No, it is just that Michael Pierce is a very fair-minded INFJ, one of the few intuiting types out there who are humble and wise enough to admit the true values of having ISTJs in our world.
Type Tips People willing to grind out the practice needed to get actually good at something, who can keep their facts straight are valuable to have in a world? SHOKKU!!!
Heehee. Si = Expert. Well the functions are all expert in their own way, but Si is in the sense of learned experience and diligent, meticulous practice.
Well, you said that "s is for stupid" is just a negative stereotypical perception in the community, but seriously, the example you've given yourself about the ship etc: That's the most basic and accurate definition of stupidity. If he wasn't stupid, then he wouldn't be up to his neck in the water now.
Not everyone is comfortable with ISTJs intensity or fixed positions and find it intimidating or discomforting. People who say this probably relate to more ISTJs then they realize, but we're stereotyped as these rigid, ultra serious, no nonsense, stick in the mud personalities, when we're actually often just very dedicated, hospitable, practical, deeply caring, passionate, and observant people. We're not superficial and we rarely play along with societal norms of how we're supposed to behave, which makes some people uncomfortable. ISTJs are cordial and can be friendly and warm, but we're not rolling out the red carpet for everyone who knocks on the door. It may require a little effort to crack the tough exterior, but once you do, ISTJ is often a funny, dependable, sincere, objective, caring, and unconditional friend. But oh well, that's his loss.
STJ is the most close minded, boring and drone-like people i have ever had the dishonour of encountering. Maybe its just my ENTP-personality speaking out, but isnt these people the most frustrating to discuss with of all personality types?
I agree, but you can meet a somewhat interesting and open minded ISTJ. I am an INTP and NTP's are creative & innovative, ISTJ's usually just follow data or facts that suits them. (i.e. 'But I will not approve or follow any mindless gibberish without and data or facts.'). NTP's create ideas, ISTJ's follow them. I think this might change when they try to get out their own bubble and try to adapt which is itself is difficult since most of them have low emphatic skills
Of course, that's because NTP's like people to think for themselves. We like people who can solve the puzzles /riddles. We can talk in sequence if we want (if we mastered the certain topic) but talking to creative people who can connect the dots is what inspires us to continue the conversation. hence it might be frustrating for both parties. I think all types (INTP's and J's need to relate to people to lessen their arrogance) benefit on trying to relate to other types to complement their weaknesses, it also helps them assess how to improve their problems.
***** I'm an ISTJ and I excel in abstract/creative thinking. I follow logic and order but nothing excites me more than being creative and expressing it. My only problem is actually finding someone I'm willing to _converse_ with about it. Because I'm so introverted I spend much of my personal time in a dream world, but once I am working I quickly dismiss it. It's my fantastical, philosophical, playful self that allows me to be so logical in the outside world; they balance each other out. For me, it's the ability to imagine that allows me to be so analytical. It's being able to recognize that my dreams are unrealistic therefore I cannot be absorbed by them, but I cannot be absorbed by reasoning in my own time or I will make myself crazy. I love discussing theories, they do not need to have a real point because they are _theories._ However, discussing them & believing them are two different things. It's why I have a difficult time _believing_ in religion & in scientific theories (like the big bang); you've given me no actual proof so I cannot believe *or* disbelieve. I’ll stay open minded though & will always respect what someone believes so long as they are respectable individuals. I will admit though, when someone explains something to me I often get a look of perplexity when I question what they're saying, even though I know it's meant to be fictional but I'm taking it literal. I can't help that sometimes.
fair enough, you might be in the middle when it comes to N & S. theories are made to be used. everything we know right now can be reinterpreted to theories (vice versa) and is questioned repeatedly. The main complaints on STJ's made by some NTP's is that they want/need others to prove it to them. They need others to transmute these ideas to practical use "For Them".
im sorry michael, but i feel like you speak too highly of the istj's. or sj's in general. i've had the unfortunate fate of living with them in my family and being surrounded by them my whole life. i find that the sj's are very judgmental. it seems almost as if they can't even help themselves. they are sedentary and act very sarcastic when they don't agree with something clicks with their 'si' impressions. have you heard of the 'allegory of the cave' by plato? it really appears this story was trying to send sj's a message. they can also be so sedentary that it becomes prohibitive. i think the fact that you crown them as analytical scientists and masterminds is very gracious. but i disagree. i believe a strong part of science is curiosity and creativity. sure, analysis and consistency is paramount to good research, but without curiosity or vision you have no direction. because... so what??? in fact, many of the scientists who have made scientific leaps like ramanujan have very preculiar belief systems . ramanujan in particular relied almost sheerly on his intuition to solve complex problems and contributed to greatly to mathematics. he said something like 'the goddess would visit me at night and whisper answers'. the istj's capacity for rigorous logic plays an important part in science--and i'm not saying istj's cannot be flexible-- but from what i've observed, it is the creativity and curiosity that pushes the boundaries of our understanding in science and even mathematics. plus, what if an axiom is wrong? being able to think creatively and shift perspectives is very important (intuitive love to do this). lastly, we don't even know if logic is going to be our only tool. gordel proved that there are some facts that cannot be expressible by logic; we still don't know everything, but i bet you the sj's think we do. or at least they want it to be that way, the hate change. i'm not saying intuition is necessarily better than logic; i'm just saying that the geniuses who have, in the past, made an impact in science happen to posses a rare aptitude for both logic and intuition. of course introverted sensing and logic is great too. (i'm not distinguishing between thinkers and feelers here because i believe both can have a high aptitude for logic.)
this isn't bias, it is quite a critical response to his video. michael likes to praise si and doesn't really point out it's flaws. he points out the flaws with ni with intj's and even infj's. on the flip side, he says that istj's are flawless, but si has many weaknesses as well which i believe he fails to mention. si is structured and very slow to change, it is inflexible and it is flat out ignorant some times. it's true, si users don't appear to many that many mistakes--but when they do make a mistake they will ignore it or find a reason to cover it up. i notice they are idealistic because they think they found the best way to do something when that's almost never the cause. i actually admire the sp's for this very reason. often times they come up with solutions that are practical and even more innovative than many of the n's. in fact, the sp's approach life from the opposite end, BY ACTUALLY experiencing things and not just judging other people and things based on their impressions. the sj's think they know everything; they are so conclusive about things and yet they are so quick to come up with reasons why they weren't correct to begin with. interestingly, i also notice the sj's are lazy, sure they will commit to a routine; but they consume a ton of television and entertainment, they are so sedentary. they are too busy judging others and themselves sometimes to do new things. on the other hand, sp's naturally like to explore new things, fix things, and even create things.
You're letting your personal experience of a few sj types cloud your perception. I too live with an ISTJ and she is the least lazy, most overworked and most consistently correct member of my family. Whether an ISTJ is lazy or not has little to do with their function stack/type and more to do with their experiences and personal history. They can and often are very stubborn and could be described as the embodiment of the motto "if it's not broken don't fix it". Doesn't mean they aren't potentially curious or inventive, just that their is a much higher threshold of acceptance of an idea or line of reasoning in an ISTJ than there would be in an intuitive type like INTP. Thus does make them very very food scientists. I hate the stereotype that every genius/brilliant thinker is an intuitive. Many of the fantastic ideas intuitives thought are only made useful or relative by sensors. It's why N types are less common, we're less useful. Ultimately the reason Michael highlights SJ positive attributes more is because people often ignore them and pretend they don't exist. This leads a lot of SJ types to mistype themselves as some kind of N type. Compare most of the SJ and NT descriptions on any test site and tell me which you would prefer? It'll likely be the NT type. ~an INTP
Long Ho i see you everywhere hating on ISTJs not because you had a bad experience with them , you're going to generalize it on all ISTJs ... remember that this is their personnality that you need to accept .
I'm an istj, and I would say I'm not very curious but I am very creative. I don't by any means think I'm a genius, and I don't have much interest in math or science, I think he means we think in an analytical way and use the scientific method to organize our thoughts and problem solve. I think my main weaknesses that come from being an istj would be an lack of willingness to experience new things, being unable to know what crosses the line and how to be more sensitive, and being overly critical of others' and my own performances.
As an ISTJ who works in information technology, I am not afraid of new things. I am however; cautious of new things. It is that idea of whether or not the new thing is reliable. Never assume always confirm.
He has such an interestingly monotone voice. And those whistling S's.
Those S's bug me a lot, unfortunately, because he's really interesting.
i hear a lot of inflection that serves to portray the meaning he wants to very effectively. it's just more subtle, but that's because he's being so careful about expressing himself precisely.
Istj aré hard on themselves no doubt
They're harder on others.
@@Dummy257Untrue. They're harder on themselves, but nobody sees that.
This is one of my favorite types. And I'm saying this as an infp.
May I ask why? In a wholly non-challenging way, I mean.
ISTJ Gang
There is a warm, fuzzy passionate part of our hearts. But like i always say, If you don't know of it, or believe it, its because i don't think your worth showing it too. xD i care for my loved ones deeply and will give advice, a brief hug if dealing with an F type, and i will always have there back... even if I end up flattened on the floor (trust exercise). If your not a loved one... you will never see this in your lifetime.
Thank you for making these. I'm an INTJ female married to an ISTJ male, and when the vid reached the part with the kitten on the dashboard screaming "SLOW DOWN! YOU'RE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!" I had to laugh out loud. Summed up my marriage in a nutshell. He is the Watson to my Holmes, but I often have to stop to explain my masterplan to him...it's endearing.
Lisa Yahtzee That would once again mean that the ISTJ is inferior (or at least of lesser importance) than the INTJ.
Sigh, can't the two ever be seen as equal in value, with the ISTJ more than just a 'henchman'?
Scorponizer Funny thing is, even though my INTJ brother is younger than me, I usually go with his ideas, and follow his master plan. Same with my baby ENFP brother, who is the one who ventures out and finds new experiences, with me helping him get where he wants to go.
fould13
Just support me on this damnit. xD
I'm trying to break these twisted stereotypes and you are not helping. :P
Scorponizer
Well, I was just thinking just because we are not the ones coming up with all the ideas and leading the way, doesn't mean we are less important or inferior. Without me, my brothers would struggle so much more to get to their goals, and would probably fall apart before they got where they wanted to go, or drift astray. We may not be the driving force, but we are the base that supports every driving force.
fould13
That's more like it :)
That reminds me of me (INTJ) and my mother (ISFJ) actually. I come up with all kinds of plans to achieve certain things, but she slices through all of them mercilessly. I tend to lose track of reality in my ambitions and she is the one who keeps me from going too far.
I knew there was a reason why Eisenhower is my favorite president.
Short but nice and direct explanation. :-) My favorite MBTI sources are Michael Pierce on youtube and personality junkie website, the most informative by far.
What about a video series on comparing and contrasting seemingly similar types? Like INTP vs INTJ, INFP vs ISFP, ENTJ vs ESTJ, INFJ vs INFP, etc. Your watchers would love it.
Vince Yutuc Would also be good to have INFP v. INTJ, INTJ v. ISTJ at least.
Facts
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00:58 I didn't know that the majority of ISTJ's don't relate to the stereotypical description. I questioned the validity of the mbti because I never related any ISTJ description. This video is really spot on.
A close family member of mine, who is an ISTJ, made his living on the ocean. I feel that your photo themes are so appropriate for this personality type, speaking from my own experience.Thanks! Enjoying and learning from your videos. :)
Ooh ... that sounds like a great thing. Making a living on the ocean, I mean.
>tfw I'm not bothered by his "monotonous" voice
:^(
I didn't notice that it was monotonous.
The ISTJ I know at least is quite open to new experience - I view it as him having to see for himself if some newfangled thing really works or not, so he ends up trying things out a lot.
Given that there are three main methods of dealing with the inferior - denying, indulging and integration, might the grognard ISTJ stereotype be born in a similar way to the INFJ ascetic - they deny their repressed Ne, that unconscious drive to adventure, and as a result don't have a balance to Si, which then develops a hidebound nature? While if they have a positive relationship with Ne, they see their "little kid" come up with all sorts of ideas that seem like fun, so might as well? Not forgetting prudence, of course.
Komatik I think that's a very good point: I like how you divided up the experience of the inferior, and think that applies nicely.
Michael Pierce I came up with it seeing ESFJ and ISTJ friends really love trying new things out and answering all the Ti dom / INFP questions from the Fe/Fi and Te/Ti revisits. Thought the same principle might be at work here. Progress! :O
Komatik i am willing to try things once, i have a "why not" attitude toward new things.Yes the new experience will be judged meticulously and likely not be repeated if i did not find a great deal of merit or enjoyment.
For me Ne is mostly used for contingency planning, thinking of things that could go wrong. Murphy's Law.
This is true. Perhaps that's why I married an ENFP. He inspires me to get out of my comfort zone and try those new things. But only if they're not competely bonkers. 🙂
I can see that you enjoy Sherlock as well. great video.
Yes, the stereotypes made me vehemently oppose being typed as ISTJ for a long time. However, I do enjoy math and science, especially physics, which is mostly math.
ISTJ - Every German ever.
I knooow. But also ESTPs and ESFPs are so common.
***** Ok, let's say ISTJ, ISTP, ESTJ, ESTP, ENTJ, ENTP and ESFP.
Yep all the esfp in the german techno clubs lol
Guess you are doing stereoTYPING here huh?
The Germans have a lot of INTJ and ESTJ elements as well... They have some major E qualities.
Man we sound so boring but yet we keep the fires burning so I guess that’s that 🔥 .
I don't get all the whining about you sounding monotone, you get the message across and that's all that matters. Signed, an ISTJ.
2:05 I laughed when I saw this.
excellent video ISTJ here
I am still not sure of my type but I relate to Si and Fi the most.
Charles Benson yiu could either an infp in a fi-si loop or istj in a Si-fi loop.
Hum well in my old RUclips videos my auxiliary is very Te and Si guides me. I have made a lot of guitar demos and amp and pedal demos and Si guides the sound and Te describes the process. Fi is used in my later videos in regards to talking about my views on things
Learning about my dual.
Trying to figure out Rorschach from watchman's MBTI result. This seems pretty close
Hammering Hank he is antihero+genius
ISTJs are the Sherlock Holmes of the 16 personality types. They are also the biggest bane to INTJs master plans aka Professor Moriarty .
EmperorLOL moriarity was an INTJ
EmperorLOL Sherlock was an INTP, nice try.
§öphişt naah maybe only in the series.
@Mr.Smile care to explain a little more the correlation...im a bit unfamiliar w/ Sherlock story
@@ophist8399 Personality Database lists Moriarty as ENTP.
another genius explanation
I am an ENFP psychic astrologer, my dad was an ISTJ accountant (CPA). We never got along or understood each other, but we could have learned a lot from each other. Ah, to do it all over again now that I know.
You could learn a lot from each other and have a truly great relationship.
- ISTJ happily married to an ENFP
If ISTJs are introverted judges, then their primary functions must be Ti Se, rest of the functions remain the same. Si is no judging function. So you just explained the ISTP
Yo dummy, you didn't listen how he reffers to the J dichotomy? 01:30
ISTJs are lead with Ti Se, cause Ti is a judging function. So Si Te is the ISTP
Yes, tragically I am deeply love what I love 😅 #ISTJ
I am an INFJ married to an ISTJ and I am sort of at my wit's end. I need help and would love to PM/email correspondence with you.
6:30 is so me....technology
I enjoyed this video, but it is difficult to focus when you “whistle” during every “S” you pronouncezzz
I like his voice, it's very similar to the Eye drops commercial man's, who plays as the teacher 👨🏫 in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".
Hmmm, 10%?
I think it a lot less.
I can find no common ground with any ISTJ listed until and no further than Sean Connery. I believe he and I could have had decent conversations.
I Think istj People are fantastic
Caption please.
Hmm...a number of LDS imagery in there....Mr. Mormon(?)
Indeed
- Does anyone know what the songs are at the beginning and ending ?
- their shown in the ending 7:35
so how is your day going
Also, I see Caesar more as an INTJ than ISTJ
haha, so you really think a person stays the same for all of his life? You are just trying to show off your knowledge of Caesar's life (like, him waking up and spearing bears?). lol. Poor kid. Anyway, what I was talking about was the General/Emperor Caesar. Of course being a soldier and an emperor are two very different things. Thus he should adapt to this difference in order for him to act as the Emperor of Rome. So think +Sev Sevens, THINK. And by the way, who the hell talked about INFJs?? Damn man, you're so dumb. I really wish you were just a kid or else you're hopeless
+Ric Zambales It's Augustus (Octavian), his adopted (?) son who is an ISTJ. Caesar is an ENTJ.
The only thing I don't agree with you on is considering XSTJs, XSTPs, XNTPs, etc "sister types".
I think sister types are types who share the same dominant function.
What? I thought sensory/sensing type people are more concerned about what it is now than what the future could be? So how could you say that ISTPs are planning for the future?
+Ric Zambales They calculate the now to predict the "nows" that will come as opposed to imagining an indefinite future and never considering any of the nows? That's my impression. Pragmatic instead of visionary.
+Ric Zambales You should look into the cognitive functions.
Peregrination So that's what they say about the patterns. I see. Thanks
put an sj in front of something they dont know how to do. all the other types will perform better. why? because they're too busy telling themselves 'i dont know this', too busy telling themselves how wrong they are, and too busy thinking about how they would be perceived by others.
Long Ho ahah and .. ?
true, true
Stereotyping at its finest.
I'm an entp trying to work on my inferior Si. Sup?
*ISTJ rather
I think George Clooney is an ISTJ.
That THING has no logic in it. It is a waste of carbon. And steal O2.
So this is my first time watching a Michael pierce video on an S type and I can't lie the stereotypes hold up....
Why are you writing "S is for stupid"?
Thought House was INTJ
Sure; the pictures I use in the videos are not examples of that type unless I explicitly state that they are in the audio. I use the pictures only because their expression or what not conveys something helpful.
House is deff an entp
what are you doing these videos for?
no matter were i look, istjs are always portrayed as the least diverse personality type; is it true? i'm seeing its only 7 minutes compared to the others.
if that is so, would it make the enfp the most diverse/inconsistent?
awesome wht you do though
Thanks! I think part of the reason the ISTJ video is shorter is not because there aren't interesting things to say (they are just as interesting as the other personalities), but because its the second one I did, and I was trying to keep the videos shorter and more concise. But as I started describing personalities I am closer to, I'm afraid that started to fall apart. I want to add a bit more depth to the ISTJ in the INTJ video as a contrast. Although, in the sense of being diverse, if you mean Ne vs. Si, the ISTJ does tend to recoil from new possibilities while the ENFP is always searching for more, and in that sense ENFP does appear more diverse.
ah, thx for that explanation, makes perfect sense. also, coming from one of your viewers, i really dont think they should be shorter, you know the more time you spend talking about them the more vast the information gets and i think people like that way. just sayin ;)
We're seen that way because we're quite reserved. We think _a lot_ before we speak. We're not all a bunch of Vulcans though. Many of us are extremely creative, philosophical, and deep in our personal lives. However, when it comes to professional settings we're extremely logical & orderly which means emotions are not typically part of the equation. We struggle with expressing our feelings, even with family. If you're not one of us, you're not going to understand how truly complex & wonderful some of us are because we're not going to express it so willingly. We are there to get the job done in a practical manner with minimal interaction that is, to us, unnecessary. After a work project we probably won't go out to celebrate with you because we want to be alone or with those we are very close to the majority of the time. But if you do get to become close with one, we're overwhelmingly intriguing. We just don't show it. We will analyze a situation & all its possible outcomes to pick the best path for success. And while we prefer to use logic over emotion we definitely take the emotions of others into account because if we upset someone, that will cause delays & doubt of our abilities. While that might seem like a selfish reason, it's actually not, it's partly for efficiency and partly because we actually do consider how people feel. We don't see any logical purpose to tell you about ourselves unless you ask, it's counterproductive, so people assume we're pretty bland. We're just like this video. Spit the facts, get to the point quickly, anything else, you're going to have to ask for it.
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The content is interesting but please add subtitles. The way of talking is throwing me off.
Seriously though, I couldn't make it till the end.
He sounds like Alan Rickman and he sounds kinda like asmr (:
This guys whistling S's drive me nuts! Wtf
You wouldn't, by any chance, happen to be an ISTJ yourself, would you? And... I'm having a lot of trouble accepting the idea of an ESTJ scientist. That would be disastrous!
Abby Gton No, as I understand it I don't have ISTJ preferences, though some people say I sound like it. :)
Abby Gton No, it is just that Michael Pierce is a very fair-minded INFJ, one of the few intuiting types out there who are humble and wise enough to admit the true values of having ISTJs in our world.
Typism detected.
Type Tips People willing to grind out the practice needed to get actually good at something, who can keep their facts straight are valuable to have in a world? SHOKKU!!!
Heehee. Si = Expert. Well the functions are all expert in their own way, but Si is in the sense of learned experience and diligent, meticulous practice.
Well, you said that "s is for stupid" is just a negative stereotypical perception in the community, but seriously, the example you've given yourself about the ship etc: That's the most basic and accurate definition of stupidity. If he wasn't stupid, then he wouldn't be up to his neck in the water now.
TheDistortion93 hey dude, stop "encouraging N-bias".
heres an ISTJ: this singer
ruclips.net/video/UoIpx1ZxFeM/видео.html
ISTJ - "Headupassyndrome"
I wouldn't be able to get along with an ISTJ of my life depended on it.
How come?
I'd also like know. Why w/couldn't you?
Not everyone is comfortable with ISTJs intensity or fixed positions and find it intimidating or discomforting. People who say this probably relate to more ISTJs then they realize, but we're stereotyped as these rigid, ultra serious, no nonsense, stick in the mud personalities, when we're actually often just very dedicated, hospitable, practical, deeply caring, passionate, and observant people. We're not superficial and we rarely play along with societal norms of how we're supposed to behave, which makes some people uncomfortable. ISTJs are cordial and can be friendly and warm, but we're not rolling out the red carpet for everyone who knocks on the door. It may require a little effort to crack the tough exterior, but once you do, ISTJ is often a funny, dependable, sincere, objective, caring, and unconditional friend. But oh well, that's his loss.
Jonathan Weber probably because they'd be correcting your poor grammer (*if, not 'of') the whole time ...
STJ is the most close minded, boring and drone-like people i have ever had the dishonour of encountering.
Maybe its just my ENTP-personality speaking out, but isnt these people the most frustrating to discuss with of all personality types?
ISTJ and ENTP has the most complicated relationship.
I agree, but you can meet a somewhat interesting and open minded ISTJ.
I am an INTP and NTP's are creative & innovative, ISTJ's usually just follow data or facts that suits them.
(i.e. 'But I will not approve or follow any mindless gibberish without and data or facts.').
NTP's create ideas, ISTJ's follow them. I think this might change when they try to get out their own bubble and try to adapt which is itself is difficult since most of them have low emphatic skills
Of course, that's because NTP's like people to think for themselves. We like people who can solve the puzzles /riddles. We can talk in sequence if we want (if we mastered the certain topic) but talking to creative people who can connect the dots is what inspires us to continue the conversation. hence it might be frustrating for both parties.
I think all types (INTP's and J's need to relate to people to lessen their arrogance) benefit on trying to relate to other types to complement their weaknesses, it also helps them assess how to improve their problems.
***** I'm an ISTJ and I excel in abstract/creative thinking. I follow logic and order but nothing excites me more than being creative and expressing it. My only problem is actually finding someone I'm willing to _converse_ with about it. Because I'm so introverted I spend much of my personal time in a dream world, but once I am working I quickly dismiss it. It's my fantastical, philosophical, playful self that allows me to be so logical in the outside world; they balance each other out. For me, it's the ability to imagine that allows me to be so analytical. It's being able to recognize that my dreams are unrealistic therefore I cannot be absorbed by them, but I cannot be absorbed by reasoning in my own time or I will make myself crazy. I love discussing theories, they do not need to have a real point because they are _theories._ However, discussing them & believing them are two different things. It's why I have a difficult time _believing_ in religion & in scientific theories (like the big bang); you've given me no actual proof so I cannot believe *or* disbelieve. I’ll stay open minded though & will always respect what someone believes so long as they are respectable individuals. I will admit though, when someone explains something to me I often get a look of perplexity when I question what they're saying, even though I know it's meant to be fictional but I'm taking it literal. I can't help that sometimes.
fair enough, you might be in the middle when it comes to N & S. theories are made to be used. everything we know right now can be reinterpreted to theories (vice versa) and is questioned repeatedly. The main complaints on STJ's made by some NTP's is that they want/need others to prove it to them. They need others to transmute these ideas to practical use "For Them".
im sorry michael, but i feel like you speak too highly of the istj's. or sj's in general. i've had the unfortunate fate of living with them in my family and being surrounded by them my whole life. i find that the sj's are very judgmental. it seems almost as if they can't even help themselves. they are sedentary and act very sarcastic when they don't agree with something clicks with their 'si' impressions. have you heard of the 'allegory of the cave' by plato? it really appears this story was trying to send sj's a message. they can also be so sedentary that it becomes prohibitive.
i think the fact that you crown them as analytical scientists and masterminds is very gracious. but i disagree. i believe a strong part of science is curiosity and creativity. sure, analysis and consistency is paramount to good research, but without curiosity or vision you have no direction. because... so what??? in fact, many of the scientists who have made scientific leaps like ramanujan have very preculiar belief systems . ramanujan in particular relied almost sheerly on his intuition to solve complex problems and contributed to greatly to mathematics. he said something like 'the goddess would visit me at night and whisper answers'. the istj's capacity for rigorous logic plays an important part in science--and i'm not saying istj's cannot be flexible-- but from what i've observed, it is the creativity and curiosity that pushes the boundaries of our understanding in science and even mathematics. plus, what if an axiom is wrong? being able to think creatively and shift perspectives is very important (intuitive love to do this). lastly, we don't even know if logic is going to be our only tool. gordel proved that there are some facts that cannot be expressible by logic; we still don't know everything, but i bet you the sj's think we do. or at least they want it to be that way, the hate change.
i'm not saying intuition is necessarily better than logic; i'm just saying that the geniuses who have, in the past, made an impact in science happen to posses a rare aptitude for both logic and intuition. of course introverted sensing and logic is great too. (i'm not distinguishing between thinkers and feelers here because i believe both can have a high aptitude for logic.)
Long Ho underrated comment. Stop adding to the apparent "N bias" man! Your destroying the community! LoL.
this isn't bias, it is quite a critical response to his video. michael likes to praise si and doesn't really point out it's flaws. he points out the flaws with ni with intj's and even infj's. on the flip side, he says that istj's are flawless, but si has many weaknesses as well which i believe he fails to mention. si is structured and very slow to change, it is inflexible and it is flat out ignorant some times. it's true, si users don't appear to many that many mistakes--but when they do make a mistake they will ignore it or find a reason to cover it up. i notice they are idealistic because they think they found the best way to do something when that's almost never the cause. i actually admire the sp's for this very reason. often times they come up with solutions that are practical and even more innovative than many of the n's. in fact, the sp's approach life from the opposite end, BY ACTUALLY experiencing things and not just judging other people and things based on their impressions. the sj's think they know everything; they are so conclusive about things and yet they are so quick to come up with reasons why they weren't correct to begin with. interestingly, i also notice the sj's are lazy, sure they will commit to a routine; but they consume a ton of television and entertainment, they are so sedentary. they are too busy judging others and themselves sometimes to do new things. on the other hand, sp's naturally like to explore new things, fix things, and even create things.
You're letting your personal experience of a few sj types cloud your perception.
I too live with an ISTJ and she is the least lazy, most overworked and most consistently correct member of my family. Whether an ISTJ is lazy or not has little to do with their function stack/type and more to do with their experiences and personal history.
They can and often are very stubborn and could be described as the embodiment of the motto "if it's not broken don't fix it". Doesn't mean they aren't potentially curious or inventive, just that their is a much higher threshold of acceptance of an idea or line of reasoning in an ISTJ than there would be in an intuitive type like INTP. Thus does make them very very food scientists. I hate the stereotype that every genius/brilliant thinker is an intuitive. Many of the fantastic ideas intuitives thought are only made useful or relative by sensors. It's why N types are less common, we're less useful.
Ultimately the reason Michael highlights SJ positive attributes more is because people often ignore them and pretend they don't exist. This leads a lot of SJ types to mistype themselves as some kind of N type. Compare most of the SJ and NT descriptions on any test site and tell me which you would prefer? It'll likely be the NT type.
~an INTP
Long Ho i see you everywhere hating on ISTJs not because you had a bad experience with them , you're going to generalize it on all ISTJs ... remember that this is their personnality that you need to accept .
I'm an istj, and I would say I'm not very curious but I am very creative. I don't by any means think I'm a genius, and I don't have much interest in math or science, I think he means we think in an analytical way and use the scientific method to organize our thoughts and problem solve. I think my main weaknesses that come from being an istj would be an lack of willingness to experience new things, being unable to know what crosses the line and how to be more sensitive, and being overly critical of others' and my own performances.
Im guessing your an ISTJ? lol