You're right, Seer power Analyst. In which some case roles are Situational. Example usually there's shadow wolf and the counter are paci and fc but if you pick berserk, that'd change an outcome. Remember alpha can say to vote who not letting flower child protect the specific target so you'd say paci is better for it.
A really bad thing about role cards is that if you play with your friend(s)/brother(s)/sister(s), they might know which cards you have, which cards you don't and which advanced roles you have. And this might be an unfair advantage/disadvantage for you. For example: if you have the doctor card with the ability to increase/decrease the discussion and you use this when you are playing with your friend which is a werewolf, they might know you are a doctor because they saw your action and kill you. And if they are a villager they can confirm you good and this is an unfair advantage.
Another thing is the Base role is fixed in the list, the advance role (And if anyone has the base role, it will be a rrv which makes it near Impossible to claim certain role without being called out)
For number 8, i think that it’s not that bad….. because when the update has been here for a while, many more ppl will have advanced role then new players at that time can learn faster than new players at present…
Another problem is the random roles. The advanced role always will be fixed in the setup. That means if you claim, for example, spirit seer when aura seer is fixed then you are fake (I don't know if this was changed but I bet not)
Another thing about the role card is that with the update, advanced roles like Gunner will no longer have their own talisman. This is not a problem in normal games cuz you can use the Vigilante talisman in order to get the Gunner, in custom mode, if the game only include advanced roles and no base role of it, it is impossible to get the advanced role that you want.
60 common cards per legendary 30 common cards per month is 1 legendary card in 2 months 38 advanced roles 2x38=76 months 76 months is 6 years and 4 months 6 YEARS WTH
I'm still sad that you can still get the same advanced role at the beginning of the card update. I had a veteran zombie card, tried TWICE to get sect leader, and got zombie both times. Then later they change that. I sacrificed my veteran avenger, zombie, alchemist, illusionist and bomber and failed twice (and yes they were both epic zombie cards). But I did get a bunch of veteran cards even though I don't understand. I got zombie, illusionist, avenger, spirit seer, gunner, split werewolf, nightmare werewolf, forger, grumpy grandma, werewolf pacifist, cannibal, bomber, grave robber and marksman. I have no idea how I got split werewolf instead of kitten werewolf (I played split werewolf for like 10 matches when it was first released but I have been playing kitten werewolf back in the old sandbox days), nor do I have no idea how I didn't get tough guy, sheriff, seer apprentice or headhunter. Am I mad about my veteran cards? No, because some people got like 3. Am I mad that I sacrificed my bomber, illusionist, alchemist and zombie veteran card trying to get sect leader? ABSOLUTELY. What is my opinion on the update? I have mixed feelings about the update. Sure I love the uniqueness but some of the perks are just overpowered. Oh, you don't feel like remembering info? There is a perk for that. Don't feel like remembering who that one person voted from yesterday? There is a perk for that. Someone hasn't said a word but you are trying to scroll through the chat making sure you aren't tripping? There is a perk for that. I honestly don't think most of the advanced roles are broken but more complicated. Like forger does sound extremely better than witch but you just have more resources but can't use them immediately, voodoo werewolf is literally better than nightmare werewolf because they can mute like grumpy grandma and nightmare (like wtf), trapper sounds better than beast hunter until one person attacks one of your traps and now all of them are gone (plus you have to activate all of them too), ritualist is indeed better than medium, grumpy grandma is literally just why have double votes when you can just reduce votes by one, warden can't jail a person twice and dies if the jail two werewolves and can't get a solo to kill another solo, I don't need to talk about fool and headhunter because their dynamics and play styles are obvious, mortician needs deaths to get info, spirit seer have problems with some random killers just like aura seer, ghost lady is just tough guy but reversed and is good not gonna lie, baker is just I don't feel like having double votes take my bread and do it for me, preacher encourages random voting and we all know what happens sometimes with that, analyist has the same problems aura seer does but if they check two people with the same aura they can't check the next night, gunner can shoot twice but that reveal from vigilante can help sometimes with unknown aura checks plus fake info role pretenders, marksman has to wait but other than that is better than preist, cannibal is better than serial killer and we know it, illusionist and corruptor both can mix up roles and info but illusionist kills during disccusion and corruptor kill during the end on the day but illusionist with 1 verse 1 last day becuase the other person can just skip disccusion, I love alchemist and will not talk about them becuase my baises will show, I pretend evil detective doesn't exist, zombie is still super strong after the nerf but bandit has that kill power, sect leader is very hard but is super fun until you die night two (why can't sect leader talk with his members but zombies can talk with each other??!?!), night watchman can only protect twice but can seer whos being protected but is useless after they use up protection, seer apretentice is good until they die or get voted becuase people forgot they changed seer apprentice so you get voted becuase "two detectives exist even though grave robber isn't in game?", I swear to god who tf keeps picking sorcerer I DON'T CARE THAT YOU HAVE GOOD AURA AND WILL LOOK LIKE A INFO ROLE TO SEER ONCE RANDOM REGURAL VILLAGERS ARE FOUND OUT YOU ARE DEAD, instigator is better than cupid becuase they force the recruits to be more agressive (I would like instigator to be rename to godfather like I said last video and nothing will change my mind), werewolf trickster is a trickster and I like that so will not comment any further, stubborn werewolf is fun becuase they just don't feel like dying until they do feel like it but I don't have them yet :(, werewolf berserk is fun and all until you get checked night one and now shadow werewolf is looking real nice at that moment, bomber is fun until werewolf and village kills the people your bomb was on, kitten werewolf is nice until you die and your team tries to convert someone that everyone was suspious about/is obviously protected, grave robber is nice until your target was a ww and there is two of you left and random killer just deleted the other werewolf and I do not like sheriff and will not comment because I will get mad. Basically, the based role and advanced roles have their quirks, except serial killer is just bad compared to cannibal and sorcerer is garbage and you cannot tell me otherwise. I know this is long but yeah this is my opinion. Anyways, give my boy alchemist a theme.
Okay berserk and kitten combo is so op tho, heck shadow gets countered easily if unlucky that paci or fc are in game. Reason why i use berserk everytime yes.. Unless its quest
Love that he used the battlepass loading screen as background, I actually did that multiple times too with my thumbnail(although I haven't got much views anyway).
Your totally right with the veteran cards, i have been playing this game since 2018 and i only got 1 card. Even tho i played with almost every role.I just didnt play enough with them and thats quite sad. You have to be like level 1000 to get every role card of the roles you played with because of how many games you must have played with them
For number two I got upset that Forger had the same restriction as other village roles. It was a Strong Rv and wouldn't be in Sandbox if it wasn't in the role list (which iirc happened only in the first months it got released)
I actually disagree with hypo on point 3(base VS advanced). The only reasonable example(bh VS trapper I don't think is a good example) in my eyes is sk VS canni. But like other games, if a role like canni is not killing and will be able to kill multiple people at a time, people begin to search for canni, question every unknown role and prioritize voting canni over wws, it's a bit like arso. Sk VS canni is safe VS risky in my opinion, as is avenger VS loudmouth and bh VS trapper.
i updated some of my cards and i want to get a new advanced role but i dont like any of the advanced roles of the cards i have atm so i have to wait till i get a cool card, i really want warden i got nightwatchman but honestly i think it was kinda of a waste, nw is really cool with the option that you can see protection but you only can protect twice so you have to choose really wisely and i would do it that you can still see protection even if you used all your protection i honestly prefer sticking to old roles, i got gunner, tg, mm, avg, ss, illu, bomber and canni as advanced, nw is my only new role, im not a big fan of the role cards tbh, its kinda fun collecting them and unlocking new stuff but sometimes the unlocking sucks, for example mm is my favourite role and then i suddenly had to get a priest card for it
Players with advanced roles are also high level so if you are low level you can't fake claim an advanced role. If you are the last werewolf and the other alive players are low level players then you also get caught
Okay to be fair, I only bought the card starter pack bcoz of the skin. Got to love some poker cards 😔 And btw why is the advanced role of bodyguard, seer apprentice? I get tough guy but why seer apprentice..?
Because body guard protects seer for information And seer apprentice waits for seer to die for information That's what a trial mod said on the wwo discord
If protector roles died that will make seer apprentice vulnerable since you need a few days before seer dies, by then you're probably already dead by wolf or solo killer. And really isn't the best for some informers like detective and aura seer, I'd rather have bodyguard, ofc my opinion though lol
So basically grave robber but with seers lol what's weird is it would be like mayor's advanced roles having like 3 roles, so it'd be hard to get the role you actually wanted. For me i love grave robber 👍 Mayor - Preacher, Grumpy Grandma, Baker Cursed - Werewolf Fan, Grave Robber, Seer Apprentice
I think that advanced role doesn’t always have to be stronger than base role…. They just have to be more complicated…
You're right, Seer power Analyst. In which some case roles are Situational.
Example usually there's shadow wolf and the counter are paci and fc but if you pick berserk, that'd change an outcome.
Remember alpha can say to vote who not letting flower child protect the specific target so you'd say paci is better for it.
I also had few veteran cards. The epic cards should let you choose what advanced roles you want imo, not randomly.
I really wanted gambler when i got epic aura card
But i got violinist..
Idea: A perk that changes the name back to Werewolf Online.
hahah I think that would be too complicated and where would you use it?
Aaaah 😂 I remember how triggered I was when they changed name in "Wolvesville"
A really bad thing about role cards is that if you play with your friend(s)/brother(s)/sister(s), they might know which cards you have, which cards you don't and which advanced roles you have. And this might be an unfair advantage/disadvantage for you. For example: if you have the doctor card with the ability to increase/decrease the discussion and you use this when you are playing with your friend which is a werewolf, they might know you are a doctor because they saw your action and kill you. And if they are a villager they can confirm you good and this is an unfair advantage.
Very minor case, but indeed it's true
Another thing is the Base role is fixed in the list, the advance role (And if anyone has the base role, it will be a rrv which makes it near Impossible to claim certain role without being called out)
For number 8, i think that it’s not that bad….. because when the update has been here for a while, many more ppl will have advanced role then new players at that time can learn faster than new players at present…
Another problem is the random roles. The advanced role always will be fixed in the setup. That means if you claim, for example, spirit seer when aura seer is fixed then you are fake (I don't know if this was changed but I bet not)
It hasn't yet ;-;
One year after 🤣 It has finally changed today
Another thing about the role card is that with the update, advanced roles like Gunner will no longer have their own talisman. This is not a problem in normal games cuz you can use the Vigilante talisman in order to get the Gunner, in custom mode, if the game only include advanced roles and no base role of it, it is impossible to get the advanced role that you want.
Interesting point!
60 common cards per legendary
30 common cards per month is
1 legendary card in 2 months
38 advanced roles
2x38=76 months
76 months is 6 years and 4 months
6 YEARS WTH
You can also get them in other ways
You get like 1 per week and one in 20 days thats still like 6 years
You dont need to have the legendary card but the epic one to unlock the adv roles.
I'm still sad that you can still get the same advanced role at the beginning of the card update. I had a veteran zombie card, tried TWICE to get sect leader, and got zombie both times. Then later they change that. I sacrificed my veteran avenger, zombie, alchemist, illusionist and bomber and failed twice (and yes they were both epic zombie cards). But I did get a bunch of veteran cards even though I don't understand. I got zombie, illusionist, avenger, spirit seer, gunner, split werewolf, nightmare werewolf, forger, grumpy grandma, werewolf pacifist, cannibal, bomber, grave robber and marksman. I have no idea how I got split werewolf instead of kitten werewolf (I played split werewolf for like 10 matches when it was first released but I have been playing kitten werewolf back in the old sandbox days), nor do I have no idea how I didn't get tough guy, sheriff, seer apprentice or headhunter.
Am I mad about my veteran cards?
No, because some people got like 3.
Am I mad that I sacrificed my bomber, illusionist, alchemist and zombie veteran card trying to get sect leader?
ABSOLUTELY.
What is my opinion on the update?
I have mixed feelings about the update. Sure I love the uniqueness but some of the perks are just overpowered. Oh, you don't feel like remembering info? There is a perk for that. Don't feel like remembering who that one person voted from yesterday? There is a perk for that. Someone hasn't said a word but you are trying to scroll through the chat making sure you aren't tripping? There is a perk for that. I honestly don't think most of the advanced roles are broken but more complicated. Like forger does sound extremely better than witch but you just have more resources but can't use them immediately, voodoo werewolf is literally better than nightmare werewolf because they can mute like grumpy grandma and nightmare (like wtf), trapper sounds better than beast hunter until one person attacks one of your traps and now all of them are gone (plus you have to activate all of them too), ritualist is indeed better than medium, grumpy grandma is literally just why have double votes when you can just reduce votes by one, warden can't jail a person twice and dies if the jail two werewolves and can't get a solo to kill another solo, I don't need to talk about fool and headhunter because their dynamics and play styles are obvious, mortician needs deaths to get info, spirit seer have problems with some random killers just like aura seer, ghost lady is just tough guy but reversed and is good not gonna lie, baker is just I don't feel like having double votes take my bread and do it for me, preacher encourages random voting and we all know what happens sometimes with that, analyist has the same problems aura seer does but if they check two people with the same aura they can't check the next night, gunner can shoot twice but that reveal from vigilante can help sometimes with unknown aura checks plus fake info role pretenders, marksman has to wait but other than that is better than preist, cannibal is better than serial killer and we know it, illusionist and corruptor both can mix up roles and info but illusionist kills during disccusion and corruptor kill during the end on the day but illusionist with 1 verse 1 last day becuase the other person can just skip disccusion, I love alchemist and will not talk about them becuase my baises will show, I pretend evil detective doesn't exist, zombie is still super strong after the nerf but bandit has that kill power, sect leader is very hard but is super fun until you die night two (why can't sect leader talk with his members but zombies can talk with each other??!?!), night watchman can only protect twice but can seer whos being protected but is useless after they use up protection, seer apretentice is good until they die or get voted becuase people forgot they changed seer apprentice so you get voted becuase "two detectives exist even though grave robber isn't in game?", I swear to god who tf keeps picking sorcerer I DON'T CARE THAT YOU HAVE GOOD AURA AND WILL LOOK LIKE A INFO ROLE TO SEER ONCE RANDOM REGURAL VILLAGERS ARE FOUND OUT YOU ARE DEAD, instigator is better than cupid becuase they force the recruits to be more agressive (I would like instigator to be rename to godfather like I said last video and nothing will change my mind), werewolf trickster is a trickster and I like that so will not comment any further, stubborn werewolf is fun becuase they just don't feel like dying until they do feel like it but I don't have them yet :(, werewolf berserk is fun and all until you get checked night one and now shadow werewolf is looking real nice at that moment, bomber is fun until werewolf and village kills the people your bomb was on, kitten werewolf is nice until you die and your team tries to convert someone that everyone was suspious about/is obviously protected, grave robber is nice until your target was a ww and there is two of you left and random killer just deleted the other werewolf and I do not like sheriff and will not comment because I will get mad. Basically, the based role and advanced roles have their quirks, except serial killer is just bad compared to cannibal and sorcerer is garbage and you cannot tell me otherwise.
I know this is long but yeah this is my opinion.
Anyways, give my boy alchemist a theme.
Eh still picking sorc xD
i picked sorc to be kept alive longer,if it was det game sorc didnt even have to claim informer
Okay berserk and kitten combo is so op tho, heck shadow gets countered easily if unlucky that paci or fc are in game. Reason why i use berserk everytime yes.. Unless its quest
i have 11 veteran cards lol (and i also sacrificed 4 of them)
Love that he used the battlepass loading screen as background, I actually did that multiple times too with my thumbnail(although I haven't got much views anyway).
Yes those backgrounds look sick!
@@hypostein I spent 4000 gold at the last day of the battle pass just to get that loading screen lol
Your totally right with the veteran cards, i have been playing this game since 2018 and i only got 1 card. Even tho i played with almost every role.I just didnt play enough with them and thats quite sad. You have to be like level 1000 to get every role card of the roles you played with because of how many games you must have played with them
Yep
For number two I got upset that Forger had the same restriction as other village roles. It was a Strong Rv and wouldn't be in Sandbox if it wasn't in the role list (which iirc happened only in the first months it got released)
Yes and the same goes for a few RRV roles that barely ever made it as fixed role
I actually disagree with hypo on point 3(base VS advanced). The only reasonable example(bh VS trapper I don't think is a good example) in my eyes is sk VS canni. But like other games, if a role like canni is not killing and will be able to kill multiple people at a time, people begin to search for canni, question every unknown role and prioritize voting canni over wws, it's a bit like arso. Sk VS canni is safe VS risky in my opinion, as is avenger VS loudmouth and bh VS trapper.
I agree with point 2 and mostly agree with point 1
i updated some of my cards and i want to get a new advanced role but i dont like any of the advanced roles of the cards i have atm so i have to wait till i get a cool card, i really want warden
i got nightwatchman but honestly i think it was kinda of a waste, nw is really cool with the option that you can see protection but you only can protect twice so you have to choose really wisely and i would do it that you can still see protection even if you used all your protection
i honestly prefer sticking to old roles, i got gunner, tg, mm, avg, ss, illu, bomber and canni as advanced, nw is my only new role, im not a big fan of the role cards tbh, its kinda fun collecting them and unlocking new stuff but sometimes the unlocking sucks, for example mm is my favourite role and then i suddenly had to get a priest card for it
Understandably so!
Players with advanced roles are also high level so if you are low level you can't fake claim an advanced role. If you are the last werewolf and the other alive players are low level players then you also get caught
Thats called meta-gaming and is bannable, but ye, its hard to counter it and the existence of it says enough of course.
I have a question, If you upgrade epic cards for it to turn into a legendary do you lose the advanced role of sacrificed cards or just the perks?
You lose everything from sacrificed cards, but you keep the advanced role of the card you upgrade.
yes you do, i learned that the hard way
5:36 im literally here, I would love to pay 50 euros for that. So I can just spam double accounts ritu + gunner and ritu spell gunner n1 spam 😂
Okay to be fair, I only bought the card starter pack bcoz of the skin. Got to love some poker cards 😔
And btw why is the advanced role of bodyguard, seer apprentice? I get tough guy but why seer apprentice..?
Because body guard protects seer for information
And seer apprentice waits for seer to die for information
That's what a trial mod said on the wwo discord
If protector roles died that will make seer apprentice vulnerable since you need a few days before seer dies, by then you're probably already dead by wolf or solo killer. And really isn't the best for some informers like detective and aura seer, I'd rather have bodyguard, ofc my opinion though lol
i think seer app should be advanced role of cursed,and seer app will take the role of ww seer or sorc if they died before det/aura/seer/ss died
So basically grave robber but with seers lol what's weird is it would be like mayor's advanced roles having like 3 roles, so it'd be hard to get the role you actually wanted. For me i love grave robber 👍
Mayor - Preacher, Grumpy Grandma, Baker
Cursed - Werewolf Fan, Grave Robber, Seer Apprentice
What about when it tells you you have max roles cards?
Well, thats there with a reason: anti-farming.
How do you win as wws? I suck at it
Wolf Shaman or Wolf Seer, which one you mean?
Hey hypstein can u tell me what happened to Fortune teller? I haven't played wwo in 2 years
Fortune teller became custom games exclusive. Honestly if I noticed this before, I would have put it in this video.
@@hypostein why was it not in public match? Anymore
@@really_breezy8701 actually I don't know, but I suspect that they couldn't fit it with another role to make it advanced or based
@@hypostein i saw in Fandom werewolf online it was removed due to gamebreaking idrk
@@really_breezy8701 oh that could be the case. Imo it was a bad role anyways, so I am somewhat ok with it.
How do you have so many advanced roles?
Philipp gave me the cards so that I can record content on them
@@hypostein wow you're lucky!
@@hypostein did he specifically give you them, or it's a gift for players with the RUclipsr tag?
@@ido_cohen specifically me
@@hypostein and this only cost 10€! Wow!
Can u make how to play split wolf???
I really need to get the hang of that role myself first 😉
@@hypostein u can do it i believe in u
good thing they are disabled in Ranked
İ dont think legendary cards are worth it tbh
I agree, unless you have all advanced roles already anyways
Agreed
lol kinda old video by now, but some points definitely still hold up
@@hypostein yeah. What I honestly don't like about rolecard is that they completely change the setup
#noxpfarms
2:16 :v
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