@Kado1609 are you ok ? So I take it you like nasty mfers ? Gross !! But hey if that's what makes the dirty little +wa+ keep +wa++ing , +wa+ your little +wa+ away to your little +wa+s content.
You've been making so many interesting videos lately, video topics I wouldn't think of. It's very refreshing to have videos that are still lifting related that are still fresh. Love your work Bromley
Our wrestling coach was a great wrestler, he was always obsessed with training and practices were no nonsense, brutal sessions, but after the practice was done, he would laugh and joke with us, ask about our lives and basically treat us like his sons He never once had to insult us or treat us like shit
This is really true. You have walk the line between being hard and having empathy. If you are mommied all the time and quiet whenever things get hard you never win
My Master's thesis was entirely on this concept. The most successful athletes are driven by negative and extrinsic factors, even if in the beginning it was positive and intrinsic. It becomes not about winning, but evading loss, not victory, but beating the competition. No longer feelings of achievement, but of relief that the plan was executed. No joy in the win, but anguish in defeat.
@@Oogahboogah1497 oh for sure, you'll find them, and I wouldn't disagree, but from my cohort study (actively competing powerlifters within the ipf aged 18-30) there were statistically significant incidence rates within the TCA pointing to negative affect, anxiety, some potential compulsive tendencies. Most interesting was that intrinsic drivers that led people initially to the sport (enjoyment, sense of achievement, progress, personal development etc) became associated with them as they got higher level, and then became their identity to others, and so they were then competing to maintain their identity as "the athlete" not for their own desire to be. Of course this came from an angle and specific perspective but I found overwhelmingly that there was a sense of "I HAVE to train" not "I WANT to train", and a lot of language that's not dissimilar to that associated with addiction, rather than dedication.
Whats really shitty to be around is a guy with toxic winner mindset and mediocre ability. Had to train with a guy like that in Muay Thai it was a shit show.
True! I had a whole other chapter about how the majority of people with these traits actually suck and become deadbeats and criminals.... but it was running long lol. I'd say there's also a dead-zone just below 'great' where these people will light themselves on fire because they are 'this close' to closing the gap.
If they sucked that just mean they faked the toxic winner mentality . Many people are wannabe Tyson or Jordan but they just Fake it. If you don't Fake it you CANT be mediocre by definition
@@icephoenix1024 I didn't mind him lying about that... they all do. It's how he destroyed the lives of all the peope that tried to bring the truth out.
@@icephoenix1024everyone was taking PEDs AND lying about it. The biggest mistake Lance made was telling the truth. He was a champion who had one nut and still beat everyone on the level playing field and got robbed
@ognen4-dk5lnI see their train of thought. Sports are nothing more than entertainment where we pit genetic freaks against eachother. In a twisted way Tyson is a jester because he beats up and gets beat up purely for our entertainment, and we give him money to keep going
OMG - that lecture on Machiavelli by Michael Sugrue (RIP) was part of a lecture series that I used to listen to in the factory on a beat up old cassette player some 25 years ago. On my break, I used to do barbell curls using the aluminum extrusions in my department. Thanks for the call back.
@@AlexanderBromley that is awesome! Indeed they are. The full series contains as many lectures by a fella named Darren Staloff. I don’t know if you’ve gained access to those. Staloff is a nice counterpoint sugrue. Sugrue is more of a continental mind, while Staloff is more of an Anglo American logical thinker. Whoever said that you have to listen to death metal when pushing iron?
I don't know how you managed it. This is a very complex topic and you did a superb job, bringing in psychology, childhood, negative gym environments, lasting legacy of the individual and the sport etc Impressive!!!
This is a great video like always, I have seen a few people touch on this topic and props to you to be the first one to propose a case against it instead of gloryfing it as the ultimate compromise with the sport
18:30 I think it’s also important to know that just because you *CAN* endure something doesn’t mean that you *SHOULD* or that doing so will be a net positive towards your limited time on the earth.
None of us has the right to judge someone as long as it does not actually harm the other person. The family argument also falls under this principle, especially since people create relationships knowing their good and bad sides. Even when something unexpected occurs, divorces still exist So let people be people
Sports gives us a view into these types of mentalities, where they can actually be displayed since the fans have a remarkably forgiving attitude towards these traits when the person exhibiting them is a winner. The scarier part is that these types of ultra-competitive, Machiavellian and even sadist personalities are hidden in many high places in society at large
In the highest echelons of wealth and power, among the plutocrats (our modern day aristocratic "lords"), the true rulers behind the scenes of government and political theater, it is _primarily_ these types that dominate. It is learned/taught behavior and "values", it is genetics (some of these families are multi-generational over a couple of centuries, and it is now in their genetic patterns), and it is power corrupting all rolled into one. If people really knew how bad things truly were and how evil so many of these people are, most would lose it, because it is more scary and horrifying than any campy horror movie, because it is the banality of real evil but one we can't really fight and win against (at this point, unless there was mass unifying and then revolution and that is about as probable as right wingers and lefties coming together, all around the world tomorrow to hold hands and sing kumbayah). The type of evil that longs for the good old days of open slavery, while doing all it can to keep alive covert slavery.
I loved watching this video! Great job with all aspects. I’ve been licensed professional counselor for over 25 years and you hit another one out of the park!! 💪🏽💪🏽
He's generally seen positively by most in the space, but he definitely has some of these traits. Married to a Kennedy and banging the 3/10 maid.... that takes a compulsive disorder lol
@AlexanderBromley Alexander, I read somewhere that the Arnold types turn to philanthropy because they have pissed off and or hurt so many friends and family that it the only way to save face
If you wanted to name them all, it would probably take you a whole day, and I suspect that every successful person has these traits to a greater or lesser extent. Most of us simply don't care enough to develop such behaviors. You can explain it with laziness or just common sense, I'm not sure which one because if you think about it, there are arguments on both sides
Watching this makes me remember that I grew up with narcissistic parents. It's an everyday walk to be rid of my own narcissistic traits. Winning at anything was empty and losing just hurt worse.
@Craig-k9d I am so amused by your American paradox where within 24 hours you could solve the problem of steroids in sports but nobody does anything about it even though the technology already exists that allows it. Your public opinion should finally decide whether to legalize this procedure and allow athletes to take medication or clean up the sport completely. I am writing about this because this constant debate about whether someone has taken or is taking drugs is completely pointless.
Excellent video. Along with your comment about no eulogy ever involved a recap of the last meet, I realized my family will likely never remember my best lifts but they will always remember what kind of husband and father I am.
I think it was Vince Lombardi who said “winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing”. I believe later in life he regretted that attitude. It is easy to put someone like Kaz on a pedestal because of his determination and success, but in the end, it is how we treat others that counts the most, not how many awards or trophies we win.
yeah the jocks can be loud, boorish, and crass with their egotism, but it is positively adorable compared to the expressions of narcissism you see in business or academia. jon jones, arnold schwartzenegger, and bill kazmaier could have been the SAME GODDAMN PERSON and had nothing at all on isaac newton, let alone elon musk
Elon Musk didn't brutally push to the front or cruelly climb to the top of anything. He was born up there and is still spending his life and fortune trying to compensate for his complete lack of personality. Wealth alone is why he has 12 kids, he's another whole video, about the dud aristocracy decorating humanity like a stupid party hat.
i’m happy you are exploring topics like this despite how it’s not necessarily the best topics for views. this is real passion and it shows your humanity and humility
The only thing worse than the behavior of these types (especially Suarez) is the multitude of individuals who look past said behavior in worship of them. Stop applying different standards to guys who can hit a ball into a hole really well. It’s pathetic.
Jon Jones and his myriad of fans come to mind. I don't know how anyone could or would want to put such a guy on any kind of pedestal other than being a great fighter.
Suarez's biting was nothing but a source of embarrassment and humiliation for him, and he accepted that. He never tried to claim it as a strength. So many of the people mentioned in this video proudly owned their toxic behavior and presented it as a model of strength for others to emulate. Suarez never did. He got therapy so he could avoid doing it again. A truly tragic and harmful number of people who look up to Michael Jordan or Arnold Schwarzenegger want to emulate their psychopathy, because Michael and Arnold sold it as an element of their success. No kid who looks up to Luis Suarez wants to bite people. We're all damaged in some way. Some of us embrace our damage in a narcissistic way, glamorize it, try to spread it to other people, and others see our damage for what it is and strive for it to end with ourselves. Suarez deserves credit for choosing the latter path.
Kaz always struck me as someone who was self important. I thought he would mellow with age but in subsequent interviews with Big Liz and others he smacked hard of narcissism and these clips certainly indicate such. Phenomenal athlete, sucky human being. Never meet your heroes.
When it come to big Kaz I watched those WSM as a kid on TV when they came out and it was no wonder he wasn't invited back he was an azzhole, this whole "he was too strong bullsh!it" no he was bad TV and a poor sport, that's why he wasn't invited back
Yeah there’s this myth that he wasn’t invited because he was “too dominant”. No he wasn’t invited back because he endlessly abused staff and other competitors, bullied and mocked those around him and apparently would even call people up in the middle of the night to make fun of them just to fuck with them Guy was a grade A piece of shit back then. Not surprised at all he wasn’t invited back
Feels like the actual real life people I know who do have those type of personality traits, just kinda suck overall? So at the very least, it feels like the majority of high achievers don’t embody all 3 or 4 traits at once
I don't know, my Dad worked really hard for a long time, and he became a legend in his field. At the same time, he coached nearly 30 youth sports teams. He started to do less when he got older, but that was after decades. If you like what you do and believe it, you can put a lot into it.
That bit at the end about competition being important is so huge. Personally, I cannot function properly in an environment without competition, be it with others or myself. Even if you can't relate to that, there are so many benefits to competition, the biggest one imo is experiencing the perceived negative emotions that arise from competing. Demons like anxiety, aggression, low self esteem etc. will show up, but in a controlled, safe place and time, allowing you to get to grips with how you personally can deal with them. These things will show up outside in your life, and thanks to the time you put into dealing with them, you'll be in a good spot to tackle them where and when it really matters. Not everyone is the same ofcourse, some people have real disorders, but I believe for the majority, a decent amount of competition is not only healthy but necessary in a person's life
The problem is that at the highest level, these negative social traits are desirable and effective particularly in solo sports. The same is true in the business world. Being a single minded cutthroat is often what it takes to gain an advantage over equally skilled competitors and this is only going to get worse as we progress further into the age of data driven, ultra-optimised athletes where the difference between good and exceptional is separated by a few percent. Obviously I don't want this personally but it'd be foolish to suggest that as the rewards (sponsorships and fame) are going ever upwards it doesn't create a breeding ground for ever more ruthless and dehumanised competitors.
We could include Jose Mourinho, Muhmamad Ali , and as others here said, Arnold Schwarzenegger as examples of successful narcissism. According to Eddie Hall who admits he is narcissistic. Not to say they are bad people all round , just that the desire to reach the top level of what they were doing and be lauded by others drove them
I think José more adopted a character when facing the media in order to be a showman and take pressure onto himself. Sir Alex Ferguson would do something similar albeit in a different way. If you listen to either man in a regular interview or when talking to (most) of their ex players you’ll see two men who were incredibly high performers but who emphasised what was best for the team and (unthinkable for a narcissist) are just as willing to talk favourably about (and give credit to) others. Players would run through walls for José and SAF, I don’t see them doing that for a narcissist.
_"...Not to say that they are bad people all around..."_ Well that depends, are we talking true, pathological, diagnosed NPD, ASPD, and/or BPD, or just folks that have some traits and behaviors? By nature, someone fully/truly on say even just the NPD spectrum (the least worrisome of the above), necessitates that they have lower than average empathy, conscience and significantly higher than average self centeredness/self focus. The former (empathy, conscience, etc) is what makes a person "humane" and positive, while the latter is what equates to negativity, anti social behavior, and generally what most people consider as bad. But there are degrees, and even for people diagnosed to be on a spectrum, it is still a spectrum with a range. So maybe people like Ali, Hall, and Arnold were/are NPD light so to speak? (Though, Arnold I would argue is further on the spectrum than some of these others, not just with his infidelities, his manipulative competition behaviors, but more so the "screw your freedom").
@@mrgaudy1954 what do you mean? Some narcissists are just better with people than others. Sir Alex's man management was manipulation glorified. He'd even let Eric Cantona get away with dressing a certain way while disciplining others for doing the same. And whenever Fergie sensed the first hint of his authority being undermined, you were straight out the door. Look at Beckham (probably another narcissist himself, he'd have sex with his own reflection if he could). Players stopped running through brick walls for Jose after Real Madrid. Part of it was just the buy-in into his methods, but he didn't evolve.
I shook his hand and would say he was friendly, even charismatic. Did he ask you a lot of questions during dinner? Or was it like his interviews where he rambles about his records
@AlexanderBromley the conversation was great, actually. It was at the 1999 Olympia and I was sitting with a couple people I'd made friends with and he walks up with a beautiful woman he was hanging out with and very politely asks if a couple seats at the table were free for them to sit. I said "of course" and he was super nice and we had a great conversation about history and strength sports generally. Saw him at the expo another day and he remembered me and was super nice. He then remembered me when we saw each other again like 4 years later.
It's a very well known phenomenon among researchers of personality disorders, that they tend to be unusually charming, charismatic, magnetic, and/or likable when not actively being aholes. Read some of Dr. Hare's books for example, and him talking about going to prisons and talking to psychopaths who had murdered, graped, etc people. He said some of them were were almost supernaturally likable, to the point that he would forget momentarily that he was talking to a murderer, a grapeist, etc. He had to consciously remind himself of those facts with some of these folks. Think of cult leaders for example. They can't become cult leaders with followers if they don't have something that attracts other people. Based on my reading of various researchers, my caution actually goes up when I meet people that are unusually likable, charming, magnetic, etc. I have a tentative explanation for this "dark attraction" phenomena, but it is very metaphysical and most people aren't into such things.
@justinw1765 totally, I support seeing "unusually charming/nice" as a red flag. Even if they aren't psychopaths, the average person is more heavily influenced by charismatic people than they want to admit. A lot of value in not being taken in by smiles and jokes.
One thing to consider aswell is, maybe you are the target of this video? Maybe you are the people propping up supposedly toxic people? Not necessarily on purpose but it could be worth assessing
I disagree with your point on the Holyfield-Tyson 1 fight - I think Tyson was trying to get disqualified because he was afraid of getting stopped again by Holyfield. BUT, this DQ loss was also humiliating to Tyson, who was always a Boxing Purist, that advocated a Boxer fighting until the end, win or lose. This DQ tactic was dishonorable and Tyson knew it - it violated the Code of the Fighter. That's also why Tyson, when he fought Lennox Lewis, fought bravely even though he was out-gunned and got stopped - Tyson needed to regain his Honor.
@@Dracon7601 I've reviewed many fights where Holyfield should be headbutting and found none. All I saw was a couple of accidental head collisions and one reckless head movement by the opponent. He did have the habit of bringing his head in contact in a close contact situation. I don't know if people are referring to that. I've also seen real intentional headbutts. They leave no doubts about the malicious intent.
Fascinating topic with some great insights. I find the psychological side of athletes Fascinating especially when you consider not just how rare it is to occupy that elite mindset but when other factors are added like steroids, cte, trauma or even organic mental illness.
It’s funny because people confuse Hooper’s *true* self drive and belief as arrogance when (from where I’m standing) he just accurately assesses his own abilities. He never talks down his opponents or says stuff he can’t back up. Tom Stoltman on the other hand is just wholesome, I honestly think he’d be unstoppable if he was half as cut-throat as somebody like Kaz. However, he’d be a lesser person.
@@mrgaudy1954when Thor won 5 out of 8 events he never was arrogant in any of his 5 speeches after winning one event. On the other hand Hooper wins a lousy "squat" event and goes "all the talk about who the best squatter is, we can put it to rest" 😅😂
I was too young to really take in the whole Romanowski craziness, but I do remember Brian Cushing being a bit of a Romanowski lite. I find it interesting people will excuse these guys from their actions if they’re good enough. Treating it as if you need to be that extreme to succeed. Yet, ignore guys like Jeter or Gretzky (I don’t know hockey well so maybe he was like Jordan, but from the outside it doesn’t appear so) that to achieved greatness without being some beyond the limits raging psycho.
The biggest problem with toxic competitors, particularly the outright dirty ones, is that they benefit from the protection of the rules and culture of sport that they themselves flout. If the games were a true free for all it would be ok, but they are allowed to succeed because of the protection those rules provide and decide that that isn’t good enough. It’s gross
I had the displeasure of knowing a guy like this once, and having to go to HS with him. D1 athlete, although sadly he was a raging prick. I never heard him say anything nice, ever. I don't know where he is today, but if I had to guess, he's still out there wondering why everyone else is so uncooperative, surely it can't be him.
As much as the phrases are banded around to not care what people think and how these antisocial personalities are toxic, it doesn't detract the fact the world really is a stage where everyone judges and you're rewarded based largely on that perception. Everything is about selling yourself for validation under the context of western society which is underpinned by competition of resources and validation from others. What is a job interview, selling yourself to an employer. Why? To get a good career, to get money, to get resources and provide, in order to be validated by a female who to try and be attractive for them and to impress people you don't know with assets you don't need. Social media posts all to try and impress others, encouraged by the system. The fact is psychopathy and narcissism enable competitive advantage for any elite sports person or celebrity, even if at the comprise to personal relationships. Believing your the best is almost a prerequisite for performance at the highest level of any domain and there's no doubt it helped successful people like multiple racing champion Rossi, Wrestling tycoon Mcmahon, Ali, Woods, NFL Brody, Tom Cruise, Jeff Bezos, Eddie van Halen etc etc.
It’s the win at any cost attitude that clouds the fan/audience experience when the an athlete throws in mind games against opponents in strength sports. We’re looking for the best performance from everyone to help evaluate who truly is the best. Mind games mess everything up and trigger spectators with toxicity and make competition less honorable
In my masters program I have to right a paper this week on basically career burnout as being mental health counselors, part of the prompt is about personal life Paper is due Sunday but I think I’m gonna use this video as one of my 10-15 references I have on average
Personally I think the toxic mindset is completely necessary for greatness, what’s not necessary is having it turned on 24/7, a lot of champions have the ability to channel it during training and competition then reel it in afterwards.
I think then the next question people should ask but then don't ask is: Is greatness necessary? Are you that important? If greatness is the most important thing in your life you are trending slightly narcissistic
@@nichobee I don't know why you seem to think that just because it's sport that it doesn't reflect on these people's personalities? These are traits you see in sports players that are reflections over their overall personality. Having an overwhelming need to be better than everyone else, to be the best to be more important than everyone else, does that not sound like supreme ego? If this person had the same drive in something else would they be a narcissist then? Is there some sort of rule our brains know about where sports are unaffected by our psychology? Why are so many of these sports players rampant abusers, sexual assaulters etc? I don't know I bet that narcissist mindset has something to do with it.
It's fun to laugh at the idea that you'd be banned from WSM for being "too dominant", & the idea that WSM really wanted to "Go for the big Icelandic market over the puny American one". That "too dominant" claim seems to originate with Kaz, along with the fake weights claims about Arcidi, Hatfield & Platz. I still love him, met him a few times in the 90s, but, sad to say, that Josh Bryant interview was a bit of a full stop: Going off about Billy Graham's pretty innocuous comments (And just being wrong about Graham's stardom. Whatever you think about pro-wrestling or about Graham, he did sell out Madison Square Garden more than a dozen times). The Ted Arcidi interview kinda sealed the deal: There's "ribbing", and then there's "bad sportsmanship", and then there's "something's going on here...".
@@BuJammy I must have been lucky when I got to talk with him on 2 occasions. I was surprised how cool he was in person after seeing him all those years on WSM.
Excellent breakdown, just gave a like/upvote. I wish more people would call out the aholes and aholish behavior in sports. Very interesting bit of information, in Dr. Hare's book about Psychopathy/ASPD, _Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us_ Hare discusses a case of two identical twin girls raised in a loving, well adjusted household. One twin had very clear ASPD traits and behaviors, and the other clearly didn't and had normal levels of empathy, conscience, etc. Kind of makes one wonder, what could be going on in such cases where genetics and nurture clearly aren't major factors? Folks I would put on at least the NPD list would be Arnold, maybe Eddie Hall somewhat, definitely McGregor and Jon Jones, Greg Doucette, and most of the fitness influencers out there-especially folks like Mike O'Hearn. And Larry Byrd was almost as bad as Jordan. But honestly, I would rather focus more on recognizing the good sportsplayers like Mitchel Hooper, the Stoltman brothers, etc.
Bill kazmier was a badass back in the day and at the time i wouldnt doubt he was the strongest man. I think you have a negative view of masculinity son, and you need to realize the world is not full of sensitive individuals.
I think you need to reconsider what you think of as badass, cmon man how did U watch that whole video and come away with Bill Kazmier being a great guy? You should want to be a good person, not a "badass". I want nothing to do with Bill Kazmiers version of masculinity.
@justint8356 If Kaz's behavior represents masculinity, then yes, I have a really fucking negative view of it. Thankfully, it isn't because that's stupid.
You have to be profoundly broken in order to take hazardous substances and eat dangerous amounts of food, all so that you can break yourself attempting to pick up and move more stuff (that didn't need to be picked up and moved) than other people. Profoundly broken.
This presentation is fascinating. Truly. Where did you get the basis of these three pillars? Did you make it up? If so, very impressive. If not, what's the source? I want to know more.
If this comment gets picked up I suggest we going Bromley a new nickname. “The godfather”. Due to the amount of wisdom He is dispensing and the connotation reminds us to try not to idolise.
Jordan Peterson has a good point about the last few minutes of the video. When a kid cheats in a game he might win the game but he's losing the bigger game because now no one is going to want to play with him and hes losing the bigger game of life where you can have repeated pleasant interactions with people even if you dont come out on top every time.
Just to add - At a young age like that, you're training your brain to always look for shortcuts in order to achieve whatever it is you desire. Little to no work input, combined with an insatiable need for instant gratification. Its typically the first ingredient to a recipe for drug-seeking behavior.
@grimsithe the converse is that cuck Peterson would also recommend someone that is playing a game where everyone else is cheating to abide by the rules citing "it's just chaos, man" in a tangential rambling.
Jon jones is living proof that cheaters win. Multiple failed PED tests, wife beater, multiple dui and hit and run on pregnant lady. He’s still considered the “Michel Jordan of the sport” the goat and I’ve heard big names in the sport say he’s not a bad guy he just made a few mistakes.
Most grade school social dynamics teach differently. It is often the bullies, the cheaters, the mean kids, etc that become "popular", while the self aware, principled, kinder, and/or more conscious kids are either ignored to actively bullied. There are always exceptions of course, but that is the general trend. I experienced/observed it as a kid in multiple schools (moved a lot), and I observe it now as an adult.
I thought Luiz Suarez was bad, but my god, Tiger Woods is a menace. Biting players is bad, but how Tiger would treat people outside of the game? Holy hell.
Sad to see that Alex’s attention span had withered so much that he can’t help himself from watching cocomelon on his iPad while he films.
Wtf lol 😂
Omfg SERIOUSLY !¿°!??!?!? COCOMELOM OMMFG !!!!! I don't understand !?? What's wrong with her ??? A whole lot, apparently !! Damn - cocomelon !!??!;!? Lmmfao wth
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@@AlessandroMoreschi-i5q did you remember to take your medicine today?
@Kado1609 are you ok ? So I take it you like nasty mfers ? Gross !! But hey if that's what makes the dirty little +wa+ keep +wa++ing , +wa+ your little +wa+ away to your little +wa+s content.
Are you talking about Jon Jones
First thing that came to my mind
Yeah, the thumbnail should have just been 3 seperate pictures of Bones from his different eras. Kid Bones, dominant champion Bones, and fat Bones
Talking about being crazy in this vid not crazy gay.
Was gonna say this myself.
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You've been making so many interesting videos lately, video topics I wouldn't think of. It's very refreshing to have videos that are still lifting related that are still fresh. Love your work Bromley
seriously, one of my favourite lifting-related youtubers cuz the topics are so good
Yeah, the content quality is amazing lately
Our wrestling coach was a great wrestler, he was always obsessed with training and practices were no nonsense, brutal sessions, but after the practice was done, he would laugh and joke with us, ask about our lives and basically treat us like his sons
He never once had to insult us or treat us like shit
This is really true. You have walk the line between being hard and having empathy. If you are mommied all the time and quiet whenever things get hard you never win
Was the wrestling team winners???
My Master's thesis was entirely on this concept. The most successful athletes are driven by negative and extrinsic factors, even if in the beginning it was positive and intrinsic. It becomes not about winning, but evading loss, not victory, but beating the competition. No longer feelings of achievement, but of relief that the plan was executed. No joy in the win, but anguish in defeat.
Are there any prime counter examples? Buvaisar Satiev and Jordan Burroughs come to mind for me
@@Oogahboogah1497 oh for sure, you'll find them, and I wouldn't disagree, but from my cohort study (actively competing powerlifters within the ipf aged 18-30) there were statistically significant incidence rates within the TCA pointing to negative affect, anxiety, some potential compulsive tendencies. Most interesting was that intrinsic drivers that led people initially to the sport (enjoyment, sense of achievement, progress, personal development etc) became associated with them as they got higher level, and then became their identity to others, and so they were then competing to maintain their identity as "the athlete" not for their own desire to be. Of course this came from an angle and specific perspective but I found overwhelmingly that there was a sense of "I HAVE to train" not "I WANT to train", and a lot of language that's not dissimilar to that associated with addiction, rather than dedication.
Somehow I ended up reading your comment in the same tone/voice as a motivation video by MulliganBrothers.
I think that's spot on and follows a quote from Ricky Charmichael, a famous Motocross rider to the effect of: I hate losing more than I like winning
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Whats really shitty to be around is a guy with toxic winner mindset and mediocre ability. Had to train with a guy like that in Muay Thai it was a shit show.
True! I had a whole other chapter about how the majority of people with these traits actually suck and become deadbeats and criminals.... but it was running long lol. I'd say there's also a dead-zone just below 'great' where these people will light themselves on fire because they are 'this close' to closing the gap.
@@AlexanderBromleyRelease that as another video
@@AlexanderBromleyImportant chapter. Too many deadbeats. Reminding people of this might make it less appealing.
If they sucked that just mean they faked the toxic winner mentality . Many people are wannabe Tyson or Jordan but they just Fake it. If you don't Fake it you CANT be mediocre by definition
@@mariusastier8138Mediocre are mediocre even if they admit it?
Surprised he didn't reference Lance Armstrong. He fits the triad to the letter.
Yeah the way he lied about being clean... Stone cold.
@@icephoenix1024 I didn't mind him lying about that... they all do. It's how he destroyed the lives of all the peope that tried to bring the truth out.
@@reallybigmike Ok, didnt fully know that.
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He did Sheryl Crowe dirty.
@@icephoenix1024everyone was taking PEDs AND lying about it. The biggest mistake Lance made was telling the truth. He was a champion who had one nut and still beat everyone on the level playing field and got robbed
I dont find it hard at all not to idolize any of these jesters.
Well, a lot of mfs do.
@ognen4-dk5ln That's what he is.... feel free to worship him tjough. Maybe you can go to prison for SA as well!
@ognen4-dk5ln No, just a convicted felon. Great idol you have there!
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@ognen4-dk5lnI see their train of thought. Sports are nothing more than entertainment where we pit genetic freaks against eachother. In a twisted way Tyson is a jester because he beats up and gets beat up purely for our entertainment, and we give him money to keep going
Lmao when you said “believe conceive achieve” Michael Bispings voice immediately popped into my head “shut the fuck up!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a samurai.
You’re just an average bloke
Going to 2025 USS Nationals thanks to alot of tips I’ve picked up from your channel. Thanks for all the information over the years
That is super colossal! Well done buddy.
Awesome, man! Great to hear. Give em hell!
OMG - that lecture on Machiavelli by Michael Sugrue (RIP) was part of a lecture series that I used to listen to in the factory on a beat up old cassette player some 25 years ago. On my break, I used to do barbell curls using the aluminum extrusions in my department. Thanks for the call back.
I've been having the series play in the garage while I train! His channel is a goldmine.
@@AlexanderBromley that is awesome! Indeed they are. The full series contains as many lectures by a fella named Darren Staloff. I don’t know if you’ve gained access to those. Staloff is a nice counterpoint sugrue. Sugrue is more of a continental mind, while Staloff is more of an Anglo American logical thinker. Whoever said that you have to listen to death metal when pushing iron?
Sugrue was a beast, great lectures
I don't know how you managed it. This is a very complex topic and you did a superb job, bringing in psychology, childhood, negative gym environments, lasting legacy of the individual and the sport etc Impressive!!!
It’s fascinating. We all ought to delve into these topics so we may better understand our fellow man and how we are who we are
This is a great video like always, I have seen a few people touch on this topic and props to you to be the first one to propose a case against it instead of gloryfing it as the ultimate compromise with the sport
Where's Arnold Schwarzenegger? The man meets all four qualifications.
He has a much better sense of humor and was also good at multiple things. Kaz was strong 40 years ago and never did anything else.
You made a big mistake Webster! A big mistake!
80s movie ahh quote
18:30 I think it’s also important to know that just because you *CAN* endure something doesn’t mean that you *SHOULD* or that doing so will be a net positive towards your limited time on the earth.
None of us has the right to judge someone as long as it does not actually harm the other person.
The family argument also falls under this principle, especially since people create relationships knowing their good and bad sides. Even when something unexpected occurs, divorces still exist
So let people be people
@@RUclipsChillZone enabling mentality
Sports gives us a view into these types of mentalities, where they can actually be displayed since the fans have a remarkably forgiving attitude towards these traits when the person exhibiting them is a winner. The scarier part is that these types of ultra-competitive, Machiavellian and even sadist personalities are hidden in many high places in society at large
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In the highest echelons of wealth and power, among the plutocrats (our modern day aristocratic "lords"), the true rulers behind the scenes of government and political theater, it is _primarily_ these types that dominate. It is learned/taught behavior and "values", it is genetics (some of these families are multi-generational over a couple of centuries, and it is now in their genetic patterns), and it is power corrupting all rolled into one.
If people really knew how bad things truly were and how evil so many of these people are, most would lose it, because it is more scary and horrifying than any campy horror movie, because it is the banality of real evil but one we can't really fight and win against (at this point, unless there was mass unifying and then revolution and that is about as probable as right wingers and lefties coming together, all around the world tomorrow to hold hands and sing kumbayah). The type of evil that longs for the good old days of open slavery, while doing all it can to keep alive covert slavery.
I loved watching this video! Great job with all aspects. I’ve been licensed professional counselor for over 25 years and you hit another one out of the park!! 💪🏽💪🏽
Appreciate it!
Arnold should definitely be on the list…
He's generally seen positively by most in the space, but he definitely has some of these traits. Married to a Kennedy and banging the 3/10 maid.... that takes a compulsive disorder lol
@AlexanderBromley Alexander, I read somewhere that the Arnold types turn to philanthropy because they have pissed off and or hurt so many friends and family that it the only way to save face
@@AlexanderBromleyHis dad was a malignant narcissist, and his mom had ocd and probably cpstd.
If you wanted to name them all, it would probably take you a whole day, and I suspect that every successful person has these traits to a greater or lesser extent.
Most of us simply don't care enough to develop such behaviors.
You can explain it with laziness or just common sense, I'm not sure which one because if you think about it, there are arguments on both sides
@@sleepyjo9340his dad was a n@zi if im correct
Watching this makes me remember that I grew up with narcissistic parents. It's an everyday walk to be rid of my own narcissistic traits. Winning at anything was empty and losing just hurt worse.
I feel like arnold gets a pass for his arseholism.
Arnold gets a pass because he actually cared about people. The problem is he also had a bit of a drug problem in the late 70s and early 80s.
Within the bodybuilsing sphere he only cared about a select few and always worked to get the political advantage.
Never forget he was on the frontier of G4P
@SirKibble88 gay for pay?
@Craig-k9d
I am so amused by your American paradox where within 24 hours you could solve the problem of steroids in sports but nobody does anything about it even though the technology already exists that allows it.
Your public opinion should finally decide whether to legalize this procedure and allow athletes to take medication or clean up the sport completely.
I am writing about this because this constant debate about whether someone has taken or is taking drugs is completely pointless.
Excellent video. Along with your comment about no eulogy ever involved a recap of the last meet, I realized my family will likely never remember my best lifts but they will always remember what kind of husband and father I am.
I think it was Vince Lombardi who said “winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing”. I believe later in life he regretted that attitude. It is easy to put someone like Kaz on a pedestal because of his determination and success, but in the end, it is how we treat others that counts the most, not how many awards or trophies we win.
Agree
yeah the jocks can be loud, boorish, and crass with their egotism, but it is positively adorable compared to the expressions of narcissism you see in business or academia. jon jones, arnold schwartzenegger, and bill kazmaier could have been the SAME GODDAMN PERSON and had nothing at all on isaac newton, let alone elon musk
wut?? Musk lives off tax payer money lmao
What was wrong with Newton?
@@justinw1765 he was a giant see you NT
Elon Musk didn't brutally push to the front or cruelly climb to the top of anything. He was born up there and is still spending his life and fortune trying to compensate for his complete lack of personality. Wealth alone is why he has 12 kids, he's another whole video, about the dud aristocracy decorating humanity like a stupid party hat.
What an interesting combo of athletic content and psychological drama. Love it!
i’m happy you are exploring topics like this despite how it’s not necessarily the best topics for views. this is real passion and it shows your humanity and humility
The only thing worse than the behavior of these types (especially Suarez) is the multitude of individuals who look past said behavior in worship of them. Stop applying different standards to guys who can hit a ball into a hole really well. It’s pathetic.
Jon Jones and his myriad of fans come to mind. I don't know how anyone could or would want to put such a guy on any kind of pedestal other than being a great fighter.
@@justinw1765He is arguably the best example in MMA.
Spoken like someone who has never achieved anything at a level that commanded fans/followers!
Suarez's biting was nothing but a source of embarrassment and humiliation for him, and he accepted that. He never tried to claim it as a strength. So many of the people mentioned in this video proudly owned their toxic behavior and presented it as a model of strength for others to emulate. Suarez never did. He got therapy so he could avoid doing it again. A truly tragic and harmful number of people who look up to Michael Jordan or Arnold Schwarzenegger want to emulate their psychopathy, because Michael and Arnold sold it as an element of their success. No kid who looks up to Luis Suarez wants to bite people.
We're all damaged in some way. Some of us embrace our damage in a narcissistic way, glamorize it, try to spread it to other people, and others see our damage for what it is and strive for it to end with ourselves. Suarez deserves credit for choosing the latter path.
Looking past evil because someone is “cool” is disgusting
Kaz always struck me as someone who was self important. I thought he would mellow with age but in subsequent interviews with Big Liz and others he smacked hard of narcissism and these clips certainly indicate such. Phenomenal athlete, sucky human being. Never meet your heroes.
One of my former training partners met him and said he was an asshole.
I cannot believe not only was Uruguay mentioned, but also in the most funny way possible
When it come to big Kaz I watched those WSM as a kid on TV when they came out and it was no wonder he wasn't invited back he was an azzhole, this whole "he was too strong bullsh!it" no he was bad TV and a poor sport, that's why he wasn't invited back
Yeah there’s this myth that he wasn’t invited because he was “too dominant”. No he wasn’t invited back because he endlessly abused staff and other competitors, bullied and mocked those around him and apparently would even call people up in the middle of the night to make fun of them just to fuck with them
Guy was a grade A piece of shit back then. Not surprised at all he wasn’t invited back
okay i never knew that. good point
He spent years as a co presenter on World's Strongest Man.
Yeah but it was great TV. He made it interesting.
This is like a longer form version of Zack Telander’s “Toxic Winner” video.
This was great!
Counterpoint. Tom Haviland, loves animals, hates competing.
I really wish he would help with some kind of research program. His training can't be common knowledge.
@@notablediscomfort its literally just strongman training
@@neal520 The only difference might be more “cardio” like rucking that a lot of strongmen don’t do.
@@neal520 it really isnt
A Male Snow White
Much better content than ranking pull-ups as C tier 😂 (joking, I do enjoy your content and perspectives)
Now they're D!
@@AlexanderBromleyGoing to WAR over D TIER PULLUPS
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Crazy talk
@@AlexanderBromley insert Greta saying "how dare you"
Kudos. From the complexity of the content to the way you delivered your opinions, well done.
I’m blown away-I was not expecting a caring discussion of antisocial behavior and developmental psychology in my fitness feed.
0:30 what was that guy gonna do with that cow
Looked like it was stuck in a tree and he was probably gonna try to cut it loose
You carry it everyday till it's fully grown
Chainsaw dismemberment.
Feels like the actual real life people I know who do have those type of personality traits, just kinda suck overall? So at the very least, it feels like the majority of high achievers don’t embody all 3 or 4 traits at once
I don't know, my Dad worked really hard for a long time, and he became a legend in his field. At the same time, he coached nearly 30 youth sports teams. He started to do less when he got older, but that was after decades. If you like what you do and believe it, you can put a lot into it.
Where's 1996 Shawn Michaels 😂
That bit at the end about competition being important is so huge. Personally, I cannot function properly in an environment without competition, be it with others or myself. Even if you can't relate to that, there are so many benefits to competition, the biggest one imo is experiencing the perceived negative emotions that arise from competing. Demons like anxiety, aggression, low self esteem etc. will show up, but in a controlled, safe place and time, allowing you to get to grips with how you personally can deal with them. These things will show up outside in your life, and thanks to the time you put into dealing with them, you'll be in a good spot to tackle them where and when it really matters. Not everyone is the same ofcourse, some people have real disorders, but I believe for the majority, a decent amount of competition is not only healthy but necessary in a person's life
25:01 *Steaks are the ultimate motivator!!!*
Post edit, I was upset I let that pun opportunity go
@@AlexanderBromley hey that's what you've got us for!
The problem is that at the highest level, these negative social traits are desirable and effective particularly in solo sports. The same is true in the business world. Being a single minded cutthroat is often what it takes to gain an advantage over equally skilled competitors and this is only going to get worse as we progress further into the age of data driven, ultra-optimised athletes where the difference between good and exceptional is separated by a few percent.
Obviously I don't want this personally but it'd be foolish to suggest that as the rewards (sponsorships and fame) are going ever upwards it doesn't create a breeding ground for ever more ruthless and dehumanised competitors.
We could include Jose Mourinho, Muhmamad Ali , and as others here said, Arnold Schwarzenegger as examples of successful narcissism. According to Eddie Hall who admits he is narcissistic. Not to say they are bad people all round , just that the desire to reach the top level of what they were doing and be lauded by others drove them
I think José more adopted a character when facing the media in order to be a showman and take pressure onto himself. Sir Alex Ferguson would do something similar albeit in a different way. If you listen to either man in a regular interview or when talking to (most) of their ex players you’ll see two men who were incredibly high performers but who emphasised what was best for the team and (unthinkable for a narcissist) are just as willing to talk favourably about (and give credit to) others. Players would run through walls for José and SAF, I don’t see them doing that for a narcissist.
_"...Not to say that they are bad people all around..."_
Well that depends, are we talking true, pathological, diagnosed NPD, ASPD, and/or BPD, or just folks that have some traits and behaviors?
By nature, someone fully/truly on say even just the NPD spectrum (the least worrisome of the above), necessitates that they have lower than average empathy, conscience and significantly higher than average self centeredness/self focus. The former (empathy, conscience, etc) is what makes a person "humane" and positive, while the latter is what equates to negativity, anti social behavior, and generally what most people consider as bad.
But there are degrees, and even for people diagnosed to be on a spectrum, it is still a spectrum with a range. So maybe people like Ali, Hall, and Arnold were/are NPD light so to speak? (Though, Arnold I would argue is further on the spectrum than some of these others, not just with his infidelities, his manipulative competition behaviors, but more so the "screw your freedom").
@@mrgaudy1954 what do you mean? Some narcissists are just better with people than others. Sir Alex's man management was manipulation glorified. He'd even let Eric Cantona get away with dressing a certain way while disciplining others for doing the same. And whenever Fergie sensed the first hint of his authority being undermined, you were straight out the door. Look at Beckham (probably another narcissist himself, he'd have sex with his own reflection if he could).
Players stopped running through brick walls for Jose after Real Madrid. Part of it was just the buy-in into his methods, but he didn't evolve.
Great video to think on. Not to mention Whiplash and Iron Claw are 2 of my favorite movies. Nice job Alex
Hell yeah baby, a whole video dissing jon jones
Not enough cocaine or spousal abuse😂
Goku mentality I need you to get better so I have someone to challenge me to get better.
If you succeed I succeed
Sorry to be the annoying “actually” guy, but the guys who crash landed in the Andes were a rugby team, not a soccer/football team
American talking about a south American team, it was bound to happen
Sir, I've just discovered you, but your commentary is wonderful and your video quality is great 👍
Interesting that Kaz has this rep, because I've met him twice and had dinner with him and he was a super nice guy
I shook his hand and would say he was friendly, even charismatic. Did he ask you a lot of questions during dinner? Or was it like his interviews where he rambles about his records
@AlexanderBromley the conversation was great, actually. It was at the 1999 Olympia and I was sitting with a couple people I'd made friends with and he walks up with a beautiful woman he was hanging out with and very politely asks if a couple seats at the table were free for them to sit. I said "of course" and he was super nice and we had a great conversation about history and strength sports generally. Saw him at the expo another day and he remembered me and was super nice. He then remembered me when we saw each other again like 4 years later.
It's a very well known phenomenon among researchers of personality disorders, that they tend to be unusually charming, charismatic, magnetic, and/or likable when not actively being aholes. Read some of Dr. Hare's books for example, and him talking about going to prisons and talking to psychopaths who had murdered, graped, etc people. He said some of them were were almost supernaturally likable, to the point that he would forget momentarily that he was talking to a murderer, a grapeist, etc. He had to consciously remind himself of those facts with some of these folks.
Think of cult leaders for example. They can't become cult leaders with followers if they don't have something that attracts other people.
Based on my reading of various researchers, my caution actually goes up when I meet people that are unusually likable, charming, magnetic, etc. I have a tentative explanation for this "dark attraction" phenomena, but it is very metaphysical and most people aren't into such things.
@justinw1765 totally, I support seeing "unusually charming/nice" as a red flag. Even if they aren't psychopaths, the average person is more heavily influenced by charismatic people than they want to admit. A lot of value in not being taken in by smiles and jokes.
One thing to consider aswell is, maybe you are the target of this video? Maybe you are the people propping up supposedly toxic people? Not necessarily on purpose but it could be worth assessing
Kaz is KING!!! Denied so many WSM titles - he will always be the GOAT.
Word!
I hope you never get the chance to meet him he is the biggest idiot you will ever come across and a complete scumbag
I disagree with your point on the Holyfield-Tyson 1 fight - I think Tyson was trying to get disqualified because he was afraid of getting stopped again by Holyfield.
BUT, this DQ loss was also humiliating to Tyson, who was always a Boxing Purist, that advocated a Boxer fighting until the end, win or lose.
This DQ tactic was dishonorable and Tyson knew it - it violated the Code of the Fighter.
That's also why Tyson, when he fought Lennox Lewis, fought bravely even though he was out-gunned and got stopped - Tyson needed to regain his Honor.
It was also a huge amount of headbutts in the second fight which lead to the ear biting.
Holyfield head butted yf outta tyson
Tyson went to prison for rape, clearly biting someone's ear is below that
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I've reviewed many fights where Holyfield should be headbutting and found none. All I saw was a couple of accidental head collisions and one reckless head movement by the opponent.
He did have the habit of bringing his head in contact in a close contact situation. I don't know if people are referring to that.
I've also seen real intentional headbutts. They leave no doubts about the malicious intent.
Subscribed. This type of content is really interesting, hope to see more of it in the future.
Licis plays violin and paints - I wish I was half as nerdy as that.
Fascinating topic with some great insights. I find the psychological side of athletes Fascinating especially when you consider not just how rare it is to occupy that elite mindset but when other factors are added like steroids, cte, trauma or even organic mental illness.
Steroids do not belng on that list. They do not create anything that isn't already there!
Dope vid as always Big Brom 👍
12:48 Fun fact: Holyfield confessed to biting somebody's ear in a boxing match before he went pro.
Karma is a B…
What documentary is referenced at about 2:30?
*Furiously taking notes.
A reason why I like both Hooper and Stoltman, they're pretty good champions and pushing people to be better.
It’s funny because people confuse Hooper’s *true* self drive and belief as arrogance when (from where I’m standing) he just accurately assesses his own abilities. He never talks down his opponents or says stuff he can’t back up. Tom Stoltman on the other hand is just wholesome, I honestly think he’d be unstoppable if he was half as cut-throat as somebody like Kaz. However, he’d be a lesser person.
Hooper's personality is fake. He has incredibly thin skin.
@@mrgaudy1954I’ve been saying Tom is bit nice
@@mrgaudy1954when Thor won 5 out of 8 events he never was arrogant in any of his 5 speeches after winning one event. On the other hand Hooper wins a lousy "squat" event and goes "all the talk about who the best squatter is, we can put it to rest" 😅😂
I was too young to really take in the whole Romanowski craziness, but I do remember Brian Cushing being a bit of a Romanowski lite.
I find it interesting people will excuse these guys from their actions if they’re good enough. Treating it as if you need to be that extreme to succeed. Yet, ignore guys like Jeter or Gretzky (I don’t know hockey well so maybe he was like Jordan, but from the outside it doesn’t appear so) that to achieved greatness without being some beyond the limits raging psycho.
Gretzky was just smarter than everyone at the time. much like Patrick mahomes now
Dont kid yourself. Gretzky is a big of a prick as any of them!
@@poindextertunes then why don't we encourage being smarter at the time of we know all this stuff leads to worse human beings?
Sick video Alex. Really good 👍🏼
First time watching. Excellent video and breakdown. Even a snippet of Michael Sugrue from the philosophical angle. Well done. Liked and subbed...
Surprised u didn't mention serena Williams her dad was similar to tiger woods dad. Both parents broke them
Idgaf, Kaz is the GOAT!
We respect the people who overcome the toxic cheaters much more in the long run. Champions dont have to be toxic.
It’s fascinating. We all ought to delve into these topics so we may better understand our fellow man and how we are who we are
Excellent video, big fan of the long form content.
The biggest problem with toxic competitors, particularly the outright dirty ones, is that they benefit from the protection of the rules and culture of sport that they themselves flout. If the games were a true free for all it would be ok, but they are allowed to succeed because of the protection those rules provide and decide that that isn’t good enough. It’s gross
I had the displeasure of knowing a guy like this once, and having to go to HS with him. D1 athlete, although sadly he was a raging prick.
I never heard him say anything nice, ever.
I don't know where he is today, but if I had to guess, he's still out there wondering why everyone else is so uncooperative, surely it can't be him.
When world's strongest man bans you from competition because you win too much, you know you're the man.
That would have been an amazing thing to be able to say about Kazmire. If it were true would be alot more amazing than making sh$% up about yourself.
@@ruckerbrady8342is it not true?
I love these kinds of philosophy/behavior videos. Thank you!
As much as the phrases are banded around to not care what people think and how these antisocial personalities are toxic, it doesn't detract the fact the world really is a stage where everyone judges and you're rewarded based largely on that perception. Everything is about selling yourself for validation under the context of western society which is underpinned by competition of resources and validation from others. What is a job interview, selling yourself to an employer. Why? To get a good career, to get money, to get resources and provide, in order to be validated by a female who to try and be attractive for them and to impress people you don't know with assets you don't need. Social media posts all to try and impress others, encouraged by the system.
The fact is psychopathy and narcissism enable competitive advantage for any elite sports person or celebrity, even if at the comprise to personal relationships. Believing your the best is almost a prerequisite for performance at the highest level of any domain and there's no doubt it helped successful people like multiple racing champion Rossi, Wrestling tycoon Mcmahon, Ali, Woods, NFL Brody, Tom Cruise, Jeff Bezos, Eddie van Halen etc etc.
It’s the win at any cost attitude that clouds the fan/audience experience when the an athlete throws in mind games against opponents in strength sports. We’re looking for the best performance from everyone to help evaluate who truly is the best. Mind games mess everything up and trigger spectators with toxicity and make competition less honorable
Great video had me locked in the whole time just subscribed!!!
In my masters program
I have to right a paper this week on basically career burnout as being mental health counselors, part of the prompt is about personal life
Paper is due Sunday but I think I’m gonna use this video as one of my 10-15 references I have on average
I wouldn't if I was you. You don't cite anything but expert opinions if you want to be taken seriously!
@@bigcconservativeguy2534things only become established via people talking about them
Personally I think the toxic mindset is completely necessary for greatness, what’s not necessary is having it turned on 24/7, a lot of champions have the ability to channel it during training and competition then reel it in afterwards.
It's not necessary but does work for you faster. Like in star wars, the dark side of the force isn't necessary but it's still a powerful tool lol
I think then the next question people should ask but then don't ask is: Is greatness necessary? Are you that important? If greatness is the most important thing in your life you are trending slightly narcissistic
@@qwikscopez6619 he's talking about sport you spoofer
@@nichobee I don't know why you seem to think that just because it's sport that it doesn't reflect on these people's personalities? These are traits you see in sports players that are reflections over their overall personality. Having an overwhelming need to be better than everyone else, to be the best to be more important than everyone else, does that not sound like supreme ego?
If this person had the same drive in something else would they be a narcissist then? Is there some sort of rule our brains know about where sports are unaffected by our psychology?
Why are so many of these sports players rampant abusers, sexual assaulters etc? I don't know I bet that narcissist mindset has something to do with it.
@@qwikscopez6619 the way you worded your first comment seemed accusatory towards the OP
This might be my favorite Bromley video
You might disagree with Brom once in a while, but you can't deny he does great ass videos
I met and chatted up Bill - for 20 min.
I did not have any issues. Was for 20 min only
People quote the hell out of "The Prince" but need to read his Discourses.
It's fun to laugh at the idea that you'd be banned from WSM for being "too dominant", & the idea that WSM really wanted to "Go for the big Icelandic market over the puny American one". That "too dominant" claim seems to originate with Kaz, along with the fake weights claims about Arcidi, Hatfield & Platz. I still love him, met him a few times in the 90s, but, sad to say, that Josh Bryant interview was a bit of a full stop: Going off about Billy Graham's pretty innocuous comments (And just being wrong about Graham's stardom. Whatever you think about pro-wrestling or about Graham, he did sell out Madison Square Garden more than a dozen times). The Ted Arcidi interview kinda sealed the deal: There's "ribbing", and then there's "bad sportsmanship", and then there's "something's going on here...".
@@BuJammy I must have been lucky when I got to talk with him on 2 occasions. I was surprised how cool he was in person after seeing him all those years on WSM.
@@BrianNassar Oh, don't get me wrong. When I met him, he was really nice. I'm not saying he froths 24/7 or anything.
Respect to AB for calling out - and not silently agreeing with - this type of behaviour.
Excellent breakdown, just gave a like/upvote. I wish more people would call out the aholes and aholish behavior in sports.
Very interesting bit of information, in Dr. Hare's book about Psychopathy/ASPD, _Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us_ Hare discusses a case of two identical twin girls raised in a loving, well adjusted household. One twin had very clear ASPD traits and behaviors, and the other clearly didn't and had normal levels of empathy, conscience, etc. Kind of makes one wonder, what could be going on in such cases where genetics and nurture clearly aren't major factors?
Folks I would put on at least the NPD list would be Arnold, maybe Eddie Hall somewhat, definitely McGregor and Jon Jones, Greg Doucette, and most of the fitness influencers out there-especially folks like Mike O'Hearn. And Larry Byrd was almost as bad as Jordan.
But honestly, I would rather focus more on recognizing the good sportsplayers like Mitchel Hooper, the Stoltman brothers, etc.
This video is peak. Incredible work.
I felt this was a very thought provoking and informative video.
Bill kazmier was a badass back in the day and at the time i wouldnt doubt he was the strongest man. I think you have a negative view of masculinity son, and you need to realize the world is not full of sensitive individuals.
I think you need to reconsider what you think of as badass, cmon man how did U watch that whole video and come away with Bill Kazmier being a great guy? You should want to be a good person, not a "badass".
I want nothing to do with Bill Kazmiers version of masculinity.
@justint8356 If Kaz's behavior represents masculinity, then yes, I have a really fucking negative view of it. Thankfully, it isn't because that's stupid.
This video was amazing, Thanks Alex
That was a rugby team that ate their teammates
You have to be profoundly broken in order to take hazardous substances and eat dangerous amounts of food, all so that you can break yourself attempting to pick up and move more stuff (that didn't need to be picked up and moved) than other people. Profoundly broken.
This presentation is fascinating. Truly. Where did you get the basis of these three pillars? Did you make it up? If so, very impressive. If not, what's the source? I want to know more.
My guy just described Griffith
1:00 Have you heard of Brian Shaw?
Macchiavelli only refers to do what is neccesary for the integrity and survival of the state (political community), no exactly by any goal.
Dude! Nice content and editing!
So good guys truly finish last huh?..
If this comment gets picked up I suggest we going Bromley a new nickname. “The godfather”. Due to the amount of wisdom He is dispensing and the connotation reminds us to try not to idolise.
Wow! Fantastic topic, sports psychology of champions.
Great watch - really fascinating topic
Jordan Peterson has a good point about the last few minutes of the video. When a kid cheats in a game he might win the game but he's losing the bigger game because now no one is going to want to play with him and hes losing the bigger game of life where you can have repeated pleasant interactions with people even if you dont come out on top every time.
Just to add - At a young age like that, you're training your brain to always look for shortcuts in order to achieve whatever it is you desire. Little to no work input, combined with an insatiable need for instant gratification. Its typically the first ingredient to a recipe for drug-seeking behavior.
@grimsithe the converse is that cuck Peterson would also recommend someone that is playing a game where everyone else is cheating to abide by the rules citing "it's just chaos, man" in a tangential rambling.
Jon jones is living proof that cheaters win. Multiple failed PED tests, wife beater, multiple dui and hit and run on pregnant lady. He’s still considered the “Michel Jordan of the sport” the goat and I’ve heard big names in the sport say he’s not a bad guy he just made a few mistakes.
baseball is literally all about cheating lmao
Most grade school social dynamics teach differently. It is often the bullies, the cheaters, the mean kids, etc that become "popular", while the self aware, principled, kinder, and/or more conscious kids are either ignored to actively bullied. There are always exceptions of course, but that is the general trend. I experienced/observed it as a kid in multiple schools (moved a lot), and I observe it now as an adult.
I thought Luiz Suarez was bad, but my god, Tiger Woods is a menace. Biting players is bad, but how Tiger would treat people outside of the game? Holy hell.
Awesome content mate