I'm a don't player. I've tried almost every hedging combo I could think of. I always liked this strategy and use it more than any other strategy. Glad you shared this with the craps community. keep em coming.
I just got back from Winstar in Oklahoma, across the Red River from Dallas. Played Waylon's WGS starting on DP $50 and working 4 & 10 for $25. Right off the bat, craps was rolled out, and then a series of 7 'outs' on the come out and I laddered up like the video says, and got hurt. Bankroll was $1500.. Got to DP with $250 on it, and $125 on 4 & 10 real quick. However, it came back very nice since i stayed with it, but, was holding my breath. Recovered and moved on to some other of Waylon's Darkside strats, and ended up winning $800 for the day and then came home. Thanks Waylon for your help.
Enjoy your different strategies. Best for me is the 4&10 and the 4&10 plus the don’t. I will lay them on Crapsee and see the results. Thanks for sharing.
Waylon, thanks you for this brilliant strategy! Here's an idea: how about laying the 4 for $100 on the come out roll to protect against the opening 7? Then setup your 4 and 10 at $25 each thereafter as you've shown. Roll tide!
You’ve quickly become one of my top Craps channels to watch. Can’t fathom why you don’t have many more subscribers. Love this system and was wondering if you could use your considerable knowledge of Craps to figure a way to combine it with some sort of inside (5-9) ladder system.
The reason for less subscribers are you lose more if 7 hits 5 times consecutively ( most probably as per MATH ) in the come out roll as he never hedges anything 😅
Aside from come out, this looks like a really strong system. I guess it would not be too hard to hedge the 7-11 with C&E and world or any 7 on come out. Great work on developing this and it was a fun video to watch. I wish you luck using it.
Tested this strategy out yesterday with mixed results. Yes its a winner however when you get caught with a string of 7's on the come out roll you get hurt big time. I like the double trouble strategy much better. Other than a 12 on the come out roll this strategy is solid. Sorry that the Dogs beat the Tide. For me personally it was nice to see another team win the championship. Thx for another video.
Just hedge the comeout and you'll never lose ! I mean it's not that hard to figure out! I guess I'll do a video for you guys hedging it ! And yeah we got outplayed and most of all out coached! Great win for the Dogs! I ain't mad Roll Tide
I've heard Waylon say before that hedging is a sure way to lose (not verbatim but similar words to that effect.) It never fails me that when I do hedge the DP come out roll protecting against a 7, the dice hits the number I hedged....end up losing more than if I played it straight. Oddly enough I rarely lose the come out roll, but always Iose when I hedge the 4 or 10. So I switched to this strategy and makes much more sense for me personally, winning on the 4's and 10's once or twice before the 7 hits. The question is "Should I pull the 4 or 10 after one or two hits, knowing the 7 is soon to follow?"
You have to imagine this system ,WITH dice " influence ",.. I can see this being a big money maker, ..and keep you at the table for hours, just havin a great time! this is great ,....
I tried it and found the come out seven to be killer so I was thinking if on the come out we laid the for and ten and bet the don’t come we would be covered for the come out seven events. After a point is set, the lay bets can be move to pass line bets. I’d like to see this system rolled out.
Just hedge the comeout and it'll win 99.999% of the time! No problem! Win craps and others like it is BS even Vince will tell you that! It's unrealistic! He was playing it the other day and he rolled 10 horns in a row followed by 10 7s out of 20 rolls! Lol I mean come-on now! Like he said how you gone test any strategy with this unrealistic bs
Just to let you know, I saw this video and proceeded to test it out on my PC Win Craps. Same Win Craps that Vince uses. I started with a $100 bankroll. 10 on the DP and 5 each on 4&10 to start. (I did not buy the 4 & 10 obviously either). I went up and down a little, just like Waylon's video. I started betting $25 chips when I got to $300 bankroll and I quit when I got to $500. Looks like a solid strategy. Just subscribed to the channel. Waylon seems like my kind of guy.
This strategy will not work at bubble craps or electric craps as they typically don't allow you to pull a portion of money back from the Don't pass. It's usually all or nothing. However, at a live table. This is a great strat. Problem I see with this (and this happened to me last night)... Started with $3000. Rolls where... 7, then 11, then 7, then 7, then 11, then 7, then 7. Bankroll gone before I even got started. If you can avoid a situation like this, it works. Otherwise, you'll run out of money.
@@waylonswaycraps Yup.. otherwise I would be playing this all night long on bubble craps. Casino I go to only has 1 live craps table, and it's crowded. As far as last night rolls, just got to be disciplined on those 7 rolls like that. I eventually got my money back, but it turned into about a 8 hour night instead of the 2 hours I wanted to play. lol
I like most parts. What I dont like is a "wash" on the 7....I think Ill only reduce one unit....the Other is working all on come out. If Your Place bets were off you arent threatened by the come out 7.
Waylon....just found you and can't wait to watch more of your videos. I have a question that probably shows how inexperienced I am. I thought you can only place or buy the 4 & 10 after come out even if you call them on. From your video, you show your up on both along with the DP bet. Appreciate your insight on this.
Nice strategy. Courious what it would be like if you did $25 on the 4 and 10 and then $75 on the DP. Went up by $25 and $75? Then you make a bit on 7 outs?
Waylon I'm a big fan already of your new channel, I get excited when you put up something new. Just wondering with this strategy wouldn't it be better to be off on the come out roll so you don't risk losing it all on a 7?
I really like this Waylon, I can see that this could be improved though. The risk on the come-out 7 is big, losing all three bets is an issue and the wash on the popular 7 out too. I'll practice and see what I come up with because I like this so much and thank you for the video.
Waylon good stuff. Has anyone told you that you sound like lane stailey? The old front man for Alice in chains lol. You gonna give this a go at a real casino?
Instead of coming down on your dp place the same amount on the point ! So for example if you have 100$ dp and 50$ 4&10 and say the point is 5 ! If you win on the 4 or 10 they come down to 25$ each ! Instead of reducing the don't 50$ just place the 5 for 50$ ! It actually is better anyways because if you 7 out you still break even but if you hit the 5 you'll lose 100 but win 70! See what I'm saying?
Are you placing 4 & 10? Don't you have to wait for a point to be set? If so do you just run the don't pass $25 until point is established? Ps. Great vids!
@@waylonswaycraps thanks for the quick reply, I've only played craps once in Vegas and was trying this out on an app but wouldn't let me place bets b4 the point. Makes sense now haha
I like your 45910 ladder strategy @ $25 level with this adjustment. If you lose before first parlay your loss is$100. if you lose the next level that your loss is $200 more total $300. if you lose again at $300 your total loss is $600. Most people would feel stressed now to go to $400 level. How about go back to $100 level and parlay for 3 wins and then reduce back to the one unit all the time. This way if you hit the parlay a few times at 3 wins you can recoup your losses. If you lose you are only losing $100 each time.
Coming down on the Don’t have the point is established is terrible math. You’re giving up an even money bet with a huge advantage being on the 7 vs any other number.
For instance if you're at level 2 which is 100$ dp and 50$ 4&10 and let's just say the point is 9 ! If you hit a 4&10 then they come down to 25$ each and your dp should come down to 50$ ! If they want let you reduce your dp bet just leave it at $100 and buy the 9 for 50$! Works out even better this way
have watched and analyzed all your vids .......my conclusion --------------THIS IS YOUR BEST ONE............................like the dc component......../////////////..... 4 and 10 bets only tooooooooooo aggressive in my opinion just an opinion w.s. i am ddp1
When your 4 or 10 hits with a $25 bet, I noticed you’re paying it $50 win. Are you placing those numbers? The payout is 9/5, you should be paying $45 not $50.
Automatic buy bet on the 4&10 in Biloxi ! Pay vig on win only! So that's really great ! I wouldn't play craps at a Casino that charged me vig up front and at the end! Rip offs ! Thanks BW I appreciate yah brother
@@jimklemens5018 I tried playing it on Wizard of Odds. The math didn’t work for me. Not sure if I was doing something wrong but my I was down money and I never got passed 5 levels. The vig was adding up because I wasn’t compensating for it. It start to take its toll on my bank roll.
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This might be the best strategy ever!!! Feels like your telling us how to make a living playing craps!
I'm a don't player. I've tried almost every hedging combo I could think of. I always liked this strategy and use it more than any other strategy. Glad you shared this with the craps community. keep em coming.
Thank brother I appreciate yah
I just got back from Winstar in Oklahoma, across the Red River from Dallas. Played Waylon's WGS starting on DP $50 and working 4 & 10 for $25. Right off the bat, craps was rolled out, and then a series of 7 'outs' on the come out and I laddered up like the video says, and got hurt. Bankroll was $1500.. Got to DP with $250 on it, and $125 on 4 & 10 real quick. However, it came back very nice since i stayed with it, but, was holding my breath. Recovered and moved on to some other of Waylon's Darkside strats, and ended up winning $800 for the day and then came home. Thanks Waylon for your help.
Nice win !
Thanks for the video Waylon 👍👍
My new number 1 craps channel!
Thanks brother I appreciate yah
Enjoy your different strategies. Best for me is the 4&10 and the 4&10 plus the don’t. I will lay them on Crapsee and see the results. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you brother I appreciate yah
Thanks for sharing Waylon. I plan on rolling this strategy out and will upload it this coming Wednesday.
Ok brother sounds Great! I appreciate yah Joe
Waylon, thanks you for this brilliant strategy! Here's an idea: how about laying the 4 for $100 on the come out roll to protect against the opening 7? Then setup your 4 and 10 at $25 each thereafter as you've shown. Roll tide!
So start out with the Easy money strategy pretty much? Sounds like a good one!
The 'Hawaii Crap Shooters' call that strategy the "Lay-z 4 / 10" .
what happens if he rolls 4 back to back in come out roll, time to hit that bar?
A little patience, pays off. Avoid the 11 and let the ladder take care of business... I'm liking what I'm seeing Waylan. Thumbs up from me!
Yes I absolutely love this! You kinda feel at ease when playing this
You’ve quickly become one of my top Craps channels to watch. Can’t fathom why you don’t have many more subscribers. Love this system and was wondering if you could use your considerable knowledge of Craps to figure a way to combine it with some sort of inside (5-9) ladder system.
Thanks brother! You can play this with the 5&9 as well or the 6&8! I appreciate yah brother and I hope to get more subscribers in the future!
The reason for less subscribers are you lose more if 7 hits 5 times consecutively ( most probably as per MATH ) in the come out roll as he never hedges anything 😅
waylons got more craps strats than pairs of socks.......ggg keep em coming
That ain't no lie lol appreciate yah brother
@@waylonswaycraps gg great job
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Aside from come out, this looks like a really strong system. I guess it would not be too hard to hedge the 7-11 with C&E and world or any 7 on come out. Great work on developing this and it was a fun video to watch. I wish you luck using it.
Thank you Skip and yes you can hedge if you like no doubt! This is a great strategy in my opinion! Appreciate yah
Looks good. I will test it and let you know!
Thanks Nathan! Appreciate yah brother
Tested this strategy out yesterday with mixed results. Yes its a winner however when you get caught with a string of 7's on the come out roll you get hurt big time. I like the double trouble strategy much better. Other than a 12 on the come out roll this strategy is solid. Sorry that the Dogs beat the Tide. For me personally it was nice to see another team win the championship.
Thx for another video.
Just hedge the comeout and you'll never lose ! I mean it's not that hard to figure out! I guess I'll do a video for you guys hedging it ! And yeah we got outplayed and most of all out coached! Great win for the Dogs! I ain't mad Roll Tide
Please do that hedge video
I've heard Waylon say before that hedging is a sure way to lose (not verbatim but similar words to that effect.) It never fails me that when I do hedge the DP come out roll protecting against a 7, the dice hits the number I hedged....end up losing more than if I played it straight. Oddly enough I rarely lose the come out roll, but always Iose when I hedge the 4 or 10. So I switched to this strategy and makes much more sense for me personally, winning on the 4's and 10's once or twice before the 7 hits. The question is "Should I pull the 4 or 10 after one or two hits, knowing the 7 is soon to follow?"
So happy you made this channel boss
Thank you Chris I love your channel as well! Appreciate yah brother
You have to imagine this system ,WITH dice " influence ",.. I can see this being a big money maker, ..and keep you at the table for hours, just havin a great time! this is great ,....
Thanks Wasted and yes this is a sure winner when I'm shooting the dice! I just wanted to show how this wins on a random roller!
Love that strategy will have to try it next time I go to the casino! Thanks!!
Thanks brother ! Appreciate yah
Hey brother,, this is a great system and I can even have a few drinks and not mess this one up...lol..thanks for the content.
Thanks man! I appreciate yah my friend
I tried it and found the come out seven to be killer so I was thinking if on the come out we laid the for and ten and bet the don’t come we would be covered for the come out seven events. After a point is set, the lay bets can be move to pass line bets. I’d like to see this system rolled out.
Can't remember the name right off hand but I have that strategy somewhere
Thanks Waylon! I can’t wait to try this at the casino! That is a soon as my wife lets me go - after this virus goes away
10-4 brother good luck!
Nice job brother!! Keep up the good work!!
Thanks Justin appreciate yah brother!
On the come out roll Waylon, what about laying the 4 and 10
4&10 are rolled the same amount of times as the 7 on the comeout 6 ways vs 6 ways so that would be chancy
Nasty run of 7's wouldn't be your friend either, but... let it play out. I'd like to see Vince Armenti run this thru his WinCraps program!
Just hedge the comeout and it'll win 99.999% of the time! No problem! Win craps and others like it is BS even Vince will tell you that! It's unrealistic! He was playing it the other day and he rolled 10 horns in a row followed by 10 7s out of 20 rolls! Lol I mean come-on now! Like he said how you gone test any strategy with this unrealistic bs
Just to let you know, I saw this video and proceeded to test it out on my PC Win Craps. Same Win Craps that Vince uses. I started with a $100 bankroll. 10 on the DP and 5 each on 4&10 to start. (I did not buy the 4 & 10 obviously either). I went up and down a little, just like Waylon's video. I started betting $25 chips when I got to $300 bankroll and I quit when I got to $500. Looks like a solid strategy. Just subscribed to the channel. Waylon seems like my kind of guy.
This is an awesome strategy. Have you ever lost a session? How much do you need for a starting bankroll???
Just depends on how much you are betting with! You can play this at any level and win money! I'm glad you like it appreciate yah
This strategy will not work at bubble craps or electric craps as they typically don't allow you to pull a portion of money back from the Don't pass. It's usually all or nothing. However, at a live table. This is a great strat. Problem I see with this (and this happened to me last night)... Started with $3000. Rolls where... 7, then 11, then 7, then 7, then 11, then 7, then 7. Bankroll gone before I even got started. If you can avoid a situation like this, it works. Otherwise, you'll run out of money.
Wow I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up
@@waylonswaycraps Yup.. otherwise I would be playing this all night long on bubble craps. Casino I go to only has 1 live craps table, and it's crowded. As far as last night rolls, just got to be disciplined on those 7 rolls like that. I eventually got my money back, but it turned into about a 8 hour night instead of the 2 hours I wanted to play. lol
i just place bet the point after i hit a cpl 4 10s since they wont let me lower
On the electronic table you can’t lower your don’t come bet it’s locked in place any suggestions
Place whatever amount you want to lower on your DC bet
I'm just learning but why place the box number bets before the point is established? Aren't they basically at risk without opportunity for reward?
4&10 come on the comeout roll just as many times as the 7! So I don't wanna miss out on a 4&10 bet that pays double! Up to you though
@@waylonswaycraps ok thanks. I thought those bets were off on the comeout but if they are active then makes complete sense.
REally love this Strategy!
Yes sir thanks alot! Really Appreciate yah
Interesting, I think this is the first strategy I've watched whereas when you were in profit, but still laddered up.
Yeah I'll still do it sometimes! Makes more money most times
I like most parts. What I dont like is a "wash" on the 7....I think Ill only reduce one unit....the Other is working all on come out. If Your Place bets were off you arent threatened by the come out 7.
That was a quick $500, now you have enough for lunch! Great strategy, keep those doggies Rollin.🎲🎲
Thanks Dan and yeah I love this one! Appreciate yah brother
Waylon....just found you and can't wait to watch more of your videos. I have a question that probably shows how inexperienced I am. I thought you can only place or buy the 4 & 10 after come out even if you call them on. From your video, you show your up on both along with the DP bet. Appreciate your insight on this.
You can bet them anytime brother!
Nice strategy. Courious what it would be like if you did $25 on the 4 and 10 and then $75 on the DP. Went up by $25 and $75? Then you make a bit on 7 outs?
Yes I'm working on this part of the strategy and so far this is what I'm coming up with! Great insight brother! Appreciate yah
Waylon I'm a big fan already of your new channel, I get excited when you put up something new. Just wondering with this strategy wouldn't it be better to be off on the come out roll so you don't risk losing it all on a 7?
You could but I don't ! There's as many 4&10s rolled on the comeout roll as 7s! 6 ways vs 6 ways
Good stuff…. You gotta new sub. Houston, TX
Thanks brother! I appreciate yah
I really like this Waylon, I can see that this could be improved though. The risk on the come-out 7 is big, losing all three bets is an issue and the wash on the popular 7 out too. I'll practice and see what I come up with because I like this so much and thank you for the video.
Yw brother! I'm glad you like it!
lay the 4/10 place the 6/8 great way to play using the ladder I CALL IT THE ALABAMA BLUE MOON
Waylon good stuff. Has anyone told you that you sound like lane stailey? The old front man for Alice in chains lol. You gonna give this a go at a real casino?
It's probably the echo in that room plus I'm a little horse from being sick lol but yes they have
I think you sound like Billy Bob in sling blade lol
Got owned on this strategy with a point out and 4 sevens in a row.
Damn that's some horrible shooting
I like it ! dang hope we can go shoot together sometime?
Yes sir! Me too
please send reply It was there and I somehow deleted it thank you
Instead of coming down on your dp place the same amount on the point ! So for example if you have 100$ dp and 50$ 4&10 and say the point is 5 ! If you win on the 4 or 10 they come down to 25$ each ! Instead of reducing the don't 50$ just place the 5 for 50$ ! It actually is better anyways because if you 7 out you still break even but if you hit the 5 you'll lose 100 but win 70! See what I'm saying?
It’s a push… n better than a shove
When the point is 4 or 10, do not regress.
I've tried it both ways! Either way works! The 4&10 are powerful numbers
When its a 4 or 10, you are on a free roll max profit on the other number. 7 is a wash so don't take down any bets
Are you placing 4 & 10? Don't you have to wait for a point to be set? If so do you just run the don't pass $25 until point is established? Ps. Great vids!
When I'm the shooter I always work! On random rollers I'm off most times
@@waylonswaycraps thanks for the quick reply, I've only played craps once in Vegas and was trying this out on an app but wouldn't let me place bets b4 the point. Makes sense now haha
You only went up 3 levels at the highest in this video. What is the most you have laddered up?
Not very high at all! One of the 3 bets always brings me back down
I like your 45910 ladder strategy @ $25 level with this adjustment.
If you lose before first parlay your loss is$100.
if you lose the next level that your loss is $200 more total $300.
if you lose again at $300 your total loss is $600.
Most people would feel stressed now to go to $400 level.
How about go back to $100 level and parlay for 3 wins and then reduce back to the one unit all the time. This way if you hit the parlay a few times at 3 wins you can recoup your losses. If you lose you are only losing $100 each time.
True you could do that if you wish! I've done that before and it comes back really strong
The ONE is the best
Coming down on the Don’t have the point is established is terrible math. You’re giving up an even money bet with a huge advantage being on the 7 vs any other number.
Yeah I know ! I correct that in another video! Never come down on a dp just place the point the amount you want to decrease
This strategy cannot be done in my casino they say standard you cannot increase or reduce the dont pass bet only 1 time
Just place whatever amount you're wanting to reduce on the point then! Same thing
For instance if you're at level 2 which is 100$ dp and 50$ 4&10 and let's just say the point is 9 ! If you hit a 4&10 then they come down to 25$ each and your dp should come down to 50$ ! If they want let you reduce your dp bet just leave it at $100 and buy the 9 for 50$! Works out even better this way
have watched and analyzed all your vids .......my conclusion --------------THIS IS YOUR BEST ONE............................like the dc component......../////////////..... 4 and 10 bets only tooooooooooo aggressive in my opinion just an opinion w.s. i am ddp1
Thanks bro I've got plenty more good ones coming my friend! Appreciate yah brother
No hedge on come out roll. Not a great strategy if shooter rolls 6 consecutive 7s which is the highest probability as per MATH
Lmao! Nah it ain't no good! I've probably won 1/2 million with it in my life! Don't play it
Simple system, I like it. Need big Ed to look at that throw 😉jk
Lol love big Ed ! He can shoot !
When your 4 or 10 hits with a $25 bet, I noticed you’re paying it $50 win. Are you placing those numbers? The payout is 9/5, you should be paying $45 not $50.
Automatic buy bet on the 4&10 in Biloxi ! Pay vig on win only! So that's really great ! I wouldn't play craps at a Casino that charged me vig up front and at the end! Rip offs ! Thanks BW I appreciate yah brother
@@waylonswaycraps ok got it. Can you do a hedge system with this dont 4/10 system???
@@jimklemens5018 I tried playing it on Wizard of Odds. The math didn’t work for me. Not sure if I was doing something wrong but my I was down money and I never got passed 5 levels. The vig was adding up because I wasn’t compensating for it. It start to take its toll on my bank roll.