Why would you interview ONLY a 1st degree black belt ?? NOT mocking you...They only begin to learn and I'm not mocking them...I humbly suggest, read my comments on the top of these comments and you'll EXACTLY know what I'm saying...Food 4 thought...God bless !!
I was a wrestler in Jr High and High school and think the creator did a great job of explaining the nuances of wrestling and the contrasts between BJJ. I think if everyone spent at least 30 seconds on the mat the world would be a much humbler place.
I've been training in BJJ for 13 years and i have a great respect for wrestlers. If they pick up BJJ, as soon as the wrestler get their blue belts, they become monsters of the mat. Awesome video.
@@saltycremepuff The problem is that it's all honor system unless somebody snitches. I've competed a lot at white and blue belt and have never once been asked if I have any wrestling experience. There's usually just a blurb in the rules about wrestlers (and Judo black belts) needing to register at minimum blue for gi or intermediate in nogi and that's it.
@@saltycremepuff very true. Smooth comp kinda keeps track but if you aren’t reporting your belts, it doesn’t matter. There are kinda tells on smoothcomp like a white belt with 28 tournaments under his belt probably shouldn’t be a white belt, but they aren’t very strict about it. I do think the white belt division should be protected though. Brand new grapplers don’t need to be competing against experienced wrestlers.
If you compete in Massachusetts, that's all you will find. The guy that beat me when I was a white belt, he's still a white belt 3 yrs later. I guess they love to be sandbaggers up there.
I beat one in my first tournament after 3 months of training. Granted I was being recruited D1 for 2 sports, I had no prior grappling experience. Took his back and choked the sandbagger. This was in 2007 in a elite tier wrestling state
Wrestlers, especially those who go on to win state championships often times start very young. He may have been doing jiu jitsu for 2 months, but grappling is grappling whether it's judo wrestling etc and that man has likely been grappling for close to a decade
Not really. You have to find a state CHAMPION wrestler to get these results against an average BJJ person at a gym. It’s a theme I notice in most RUclips videos with wrestlers against BJJ, it’s always one or the best wrestlers against an average BJJ dude.
Nobody believes me when I tell them I submitted 2 purple belts my first week in jiu-jitsu, I wrestled for 10 years so it's about the same time as a brown belt has put in. But I did get triangle choked by a brown belt 30 lbs lighter than me the same day 😂 Grappling is grappling, I just needed to learn more submissions than the basics. Wrestlers are about control so that's what I did. I just thought about position over submission. And ended up getting a rear naked and an Americana
I dont get the whole "omg bjj is so bad because a high level wrestler can do so well vs low to medium belts" narrative. They have many years of HARD grappling practice and built up TONS of strength. Wrestlers are grapplers. Its like saying "omg how can a high level thai boxer do better than 2-year hobbyist boxers, in boxing?!"
It's because martial arts schools *sometimes* become something closer to cults than a place for enthusiasts to, and even professionals to connect and explore! It's ironic how the methodology can become doctrine... and yet probably the most classic story of how things become perverted
Maybe if you talking about McKrotty. Most bjj schools you have to compete to move up, and it takes time. In fact I've never personally heard of any outside of online classes. I rarely see high school wrestlers lose to anything but high ranking bjj players. There is merit to the arguement, especially when the efficiency of bjj is so often blown up and touted as the best system ever. Not saying it's a certainty, but there IS merit to the arguement even at the hobbyist vs JV level.
@@Super3asterd our school is a strictly jujutsu school that promotes based on understanding of the techniques and not in competition. The issue with competition schools is the fact that very few people have long careers with it because of the amount of injuries that happen. I'm a father of two who doesn't care about plastic medals and only trains so that I can go home safely to my family every night. I want to still be able to train in my later years so I train that way.
Wrestlers train for control so they can pin both shoulder blades on the mat. What makes wrestling so great when they transition to mma is that aspect of control. When you add punching and elbows to the mix and the fact that a wrestler will have better control over their opponent 9 times out of 10 it turns into a lethal combo.
Wrestlers dominate in real fighting. Its easy to look for armbars when wrestlers can't smash your nose with elbows. Very dangerous to be on your back in a real fight. But you little bjj boys are safe in your gym with your little rules. Congrats to your upper belts for beating non jiu jitsu practitioners in jiu jitsu
Man, what a great job with the video! Instant subscribe. I am new here, but a huge MMA geek, follow all the big channels and I don't think I've ever seen a better made video on this wrestler vs bjj topic, thank you. 👊
That man is gonna be a monster once he develops a guard game. He won't even have to worry about leg locks beyond a straight ankle until purple belt at most comps.
As a wrestler who has rolled with bjj guys I have one tip- never attempt a double leg takedown! Use armdrags or bodylocks and the occasional outside single leg.
As wrestler with a purple belt in BJJ, always go for a double leg. Shrug your shoulders and maintain posture/head position. Good technique will save you from getting choked.
I wrestled a lot and have done some submission grappling. There are "bad" habits that are tough for us to deprogram from (the quotes are because they are only bad in BJJ). We have to unlearn leaving our head hang out there, which is seen how he gets caught in a front guillotine (mostly a rookie loss). We are uncomfortable on our backs and have to unlearn giving up our backs. After that, we just don't know how to get a submission very well, because they are all moves that are illegal and considered dangerous in wrestling. If you're a smart wrestler, though, you can adapt pretty quick and be VERY tough to beat.
That's great content. I'm from Brazil and I have 41 years old. I saw jiu-jitsu morphing into Rio de Janeiro street fighting style into US wrestling + BJJ sport . It's pretty amazing to see it happening. I just miss the old Gracie's art that is much more into self defense, take concrete floor, walls, knife and etc, into the learning scope.
One of the few English terms my coach was able to yell at us was, where the head goes, the body will follow. I trained a long long time in both, and a wrestler from the catch, or judo Jean school are monsters. Had a coach from the states that broke my nose twice and snapped a tooth, just rasslin. Very underrated. Good job mate.
I wrestled in college and was able to keep up with the brown belts at my school when I finally started. Granted I was no where near as knowledgeable as them as far as attacks like chokes or locks but they usually couldn’t tap me either, I always took that as a win.
Such good rolls and narration. Having good training partners is perhaps the most important aspect of a gym. Someone who can motivate you, push you, challenge you, protect you while also helping you improve, helping them improve. It’s such an important resource
Well done. Great video and a compelling progression hook to keep us eager to see how a highly skilled wrestler can apply his skills to the Jiu Jitsu context. Really strong colour commentary describing the techniques being employed. Well done, mate!
Given my 20+ years of grappling experience, that went almost exactly as I thought it would. State champion wrestler means he could probably be a DI or DII wrestler. They need about two months of jiujitsu before they can hang with most purples and above without getting subbed.
Well wait watch you metric. I did 4 years of freestyle and greco prior to BJJ. And my first submissions succeeded vs blue belts. Took me about 3 private classes to accomplish that. I picked up things very fast back then. The advance white belts and early blues were puzzled by how I could get the best of em in less than one month of BJJ. Little secret, I watch Frank Shamrock on VHS tapes prior to my first classes, hi, hi, hi.
No disrespect to the wrestler but why you acting like a Connecticut 1 time state champ could be a d2 wrestler let alone D1! I know it took a tone of work for this guy to get to this level and he’s very good but I think that’s a bad take
@WilliamC.2 How do you know he isn't? And how would I know he's a one time state champ from Connecticut? The crux of the premise is how seasoned wrestlers do in jiu jitsu and how the jiujitsu learning curve is affected by their spirt. Seems you're being kind of needlessly pedantic.
Depends on the wrestler though and how competitive the state they wrestled in. For example, I went to a few Jui jitsu gyms and was hanging with the brown belts easily. Struggled with the black belts. But blue belts and half the purples were not that tough, at least for me.
Dude as someone with noob grappling experience but an admiration for the art and physicality of it I loved this video. Great commentary explaining the above, keep em coming!
Great vid. Talent from all sides. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that wrestler sparred with increasing belt levels one after another. That’s insane that he wasn’t more gassed and makes this ranking maybe not as accurate. Imagine if he started fresh against each one. Maybe he had a huge amount of time to rest in between? What a beast
8:50 Man, I was just thinking about this today. My school doesn't really drill, just roll around (bunch of 30-40 year-olds meeting up after work to learn a move or two). One thing that has been a big transition for me has been the culture and pace. I haven't wrestled competitively since I was 20, but the moment I stepped on the mat I was ready to get after it. BUT no one else shared that sentiment haha. Jiu jitsu has been a challenge, but it's a blessing to be on a mat again!
Great video! When I started my coach teamed me up with a 'Josh' who was training Judo for two years already. I was totally green to all combat sports. His signature move was the 'case'a'salami' or kesa-gatame.
There are not a whole lot of videos if decent wrestlers vs decent BJJers. I love how you use your belt metric, its even better than the Boyd belt band Rener Gracie spoke about. For that guy to be consider a blue/purple like me, he'll have to technically submit purple belts on rare occasion, or else, as you say, he's a high level blue. Please get more of these footages for us. I am 51, grizzled and seasoned looooooong time blue, and my wrestling is actually re-surfacing cause more and more high level blue and decent purples are challenging my game. Wrestling is what I use at times to get that edge I need and equalize my grappling game.
@@_Tao__ Hold on a second here. Wait a moment right now. Let me stop you right here. Lets halt this one right away. Decent wrestlers vs bjjers, lets say a bit worst than a D3. Thats usually what we're faced over here.
Gordon Ryan took on Bo Nickal in a modified rules submission match. Interesting video. Did not end well for the wrestler. Would have been worse if leg locks had been allowed.
@@nzdefrag most any college wrestler is pretty solid grappling wise. The difference in college is great as well. An naia champion is very tough but not on the same level as a D1 champ and there are generally only d1 all Americans and champs that succeed in the Senior Circuit ( world championships and Olympics) I would say the biggest difference between successful high school wrestlers and college is shot defense, ground control, and muscle endurance. Then obviously your Olympic guys are like DC and Cejudo
Bro, where did you find the footage on 00:28, it’s actually me with blue belt standing behind, this video was taken probably 8 years ago and I’ve never seen this footage before, do I live in the matrix💀💀💀
This is about what I'd expect; brown+ is gonna have his number (until he learns jits), whites and blues can't keep up with his pressure, technique and athleticism.
I’m a black belt BJJ and my son is a HS varsity wrestler and when he and I spar, he is not easy to bring down (JUST take downs and technique and not submission). Wrestlers are indeed a different breed of people.
I'm a wrestler, but I can honestly say that hands posted on the mat, which is common for wrestlers to do, is a recipe for a submission. I still believe wrestling is the best base for jiujitsu comp though 💪🏼
Carlos Gracie Jiu Jitsu are all about Power and Strong Takedowns, Hélio Gracie are Small and weak and he adapted the style for his body focused more on ground game.
Cool video. As a large blue belt I have done well with wrestlers. The butterfly sweep and the guillotine being the main techniques. They learn super fast though and are never an easy roll.
The learning the armbar from watching MMA is something I'm surprised I've never heard anyone else mention, I have no martial arts gyms near me but have still learnt basic striking and grappling by watching UFC fights
, what are you guys even talking about? An arm bar is an incredibly easy move to learn and execute. Anyone with grappling and fighting experience can figure it out and implement it pretty easily 😂
Similar here. Been an mma fan for long, went to a few BJJ classes and had quite some success just by having an image of some of the situaitons I found myself in from fights. Other than RNC and guilottine, it wasn't so much about the submissions (too much technique missing) but the ability to recognize bad/good positions compared to someone who's not an avid mma fan. Even though I was mathcing the intensity of my sparring partners and not going crazy, being quite athletic at that time helped surely.
When you mentioned that wrestling helps with learning and visualizing is so key. I feel like I’m able to learn moves quicker and get them to the point I can use them against higher belts because of my wrestling background.
All of em were fatigued, none of em were fresh. I once viewed a high level freestyle 20ish yo wrestler vs BJJ black belt, and before the wrestler lost by armbar, it took a long while, in the mean time, the black belt pull guard to avoid the takedowns, but his round was a turmoil as the wrestler was creating a whirlwind and storm in his BJJ game.
After 28 years of BJJ I have learned it is better to be patient with Wrestlers. They explode a lot and if you are busy moving while they do that you lose position. The goal is to be super patient, more patient than time constraints sometimes allows for. I am 47 years old and it may take me longer than 5 or 10 minutes to catch them but I can go as long as I need because I don't try to match aggression with more aggression.
I really enjoyed the video, as gi and nogi practitioner, the video just proves one more time that nogi levels from the bottom, as a non experienced can give troubles to high levels, at gi, the max he would mess with, would be the blue belts, after that he would be smashed. What I mean is that he would not be able to escape and scramble that much because the grips. Nice video 💪🔥
Josh is going 100% and is taking advantage of the fact that his training partners don't want to hurt him. There were multiple instances where the upper belts could have taken limbs home with them and chose not to. If Josh keeps training like that, he is going to get seriously injured when he tries to explode out of a bad position and his partner doesn't let him slip. I don't say this as a way of passing judgment - I was the same way when I first started BJJ. I was a state finalist wrestler and am now a BJJ black belt, but I definitely caught a few unnecessary injuries as a white and blue belt due to going too hard in practice.
Josh was holding back, too. Why would you think that? He is wrestling, but that doesn't mean. he doesn't have lethal knowledge. Their sparring. True sparring means it's for growth, not to destroy your training partner.
great video! as a black belt myself, I've gotta say, everyone at your gym looks SHARP. you had some good looking wrestling too, my man. keep training, you're gonna be a killer!
Good video but it is hard to make concrete claims about wrestling = belt level . I live in PA and have rolled/trained with kids who have placed 5th and 6th at states in PA and have seen black belts under them not being able to move at all.
I hate these "wrestler vs bjj guy" videos where the wrestler has "about twenty bjj classes". So he's had BJJ taught to him and he's done fifty or a hundred BJJ sparring rounds but we're pretending it's a skill vs skill test? Stupid wrestlers. 🥴
Wrestlers who start doing bjj seriously become monsters, big wrestlers who start are monsters right from the start!!! I have 100% respect for their craft and love learning more about wrestling as it certainly improves my game!!!!
Getting out of your comfort zone and playing someone else’s game is not only admirable but smart. You’ll basically be in a league all your own at the end of the day.
The most important thing this shows is how at pretty much every level of grappling, strength and athleticism determine much of the outcome. I'd honestly be more interested in a direct comparison of each individuals deadlift, bench, and squat.
When I first started training BJJ, I would go full speed. I wrestled all through high school and after and in wrestling you are going 100% most of the time or your coach would yell you are Dogging it!! I kept getting people who kinda gave me dirty looks, when I rolled with them lol. One guy finally explained what I was doing and it took awhile to adjust. But once you start learning about setting up position and using leverage etc, it is WAY more efficient and easier.
Kudos to the Wrestling Champion for taking on all these belts in the same session. He must be in fantastic condition.
Lol r u kidding me
He trained in jujitsu so the video is fake AF.
I thought the same I'm like this dude has got to be winded af by now
@@jonathanmosher72 bro every wrestler has trained a little bit of bjj just for fun good luck finding a high level wrester who hasn't
@@evanslack9625 I know several. I know only one wrestler who's actually ever participated in MMA or jujitsu. I know collegiate and state champions.
Should’ve interviewed the black belt. I mean we all saw how good the match was but it’s cool to know what he thought of the wrestler
Why would you interview ONLY a 1st degree black belt ?? NOT mocking you...They only begin to learn and I'm not mocking them...I humbly suggest, read my comments on the top of these comments and you'll EXACTLY know what I'm saying...Food 4 thought...God bless !!
@@davidgeerling9871 Because he was the black belt that was in the video we all just watched 🤣
I was a wrestler in Jr High and High school and think the creator did a great job of explaining the nuances of wrestling and the contrasts between BJJ. I think if everyone spent at least 30 seconds on the mat the world would be a much humbler place.
I've been training in BJJ for 13 years and i have a great respect for wrestlers. If they pick up BJJ, as soon as the wrestler get their blue belts, they become monsters of the mat. Awesome video.
Heck, as soon as they learn to stop shooting doubles and going belly down, they're dangerous.
Of course, generally wrestlers already have years of experience, with lots of sparring.
Takes years to learn to butt scoot though
They are all so very talented. It's amazing to watch these guys show different techniques.
Fantastic video. Love these “what happens when” scenarios with different styles of grappling. Well done
State champ wrestler at a white belt comp is savage lol
@@saltycremepuff it really depends on the state and the division of that state
@@saltycremepuff The problem is that it's all honor system unless somebody snitches. I've competed a lot at white and blue belt and have never once been asked if I have any wrestling experience. There's usually just a blurb in the rules about wrestlers (and Judo black belts) needing to register at minimum blue for gi or intermediate in nogi and that's it.
@@saltycremepuff very true. Smooth comp kinda keeps track but if you aren’t reporting your belts, it doesn’t matter. There are kinda tells on smoothcomp like a white belt with 28 tournaments under his belt probably shouldn’t be a white belt, but they aren’t very strict about it.
I do think the white belt division should be protected though. Brand new grapplers don’t need to be competing against experienced wrestlers.
If you compete in Massachusetts, that's all you will find. The guy that beat me when I was a white belt, he's still a white belt 3 yrs later. I guess they love to be sandbaggers up there.
I beat one in my first tournament after 3 months of training. Granted I was being recruited D1 for 2 sports, I had no prior grappling experience. Took his back and choked the sandbagger. This was in 2007 in a elite tier wrestling state
Josh is a beast! He should keep training! A great addition to the jiujitsu world!
Crazy to think he’s also the best chess player of all time
Josh did all that gauntlet style! I'd be interested to see if anything changes when Josh is as fresh as his opponents. Great job Josh!
The fact this guy can hang with purple belts after what like 2 months of BJJ training is pretty nuts. Wrestlers are just a different breed
It really shows how much of a similar language they are, that years in one can count towards years in the other
Wrestlers, especially those who go on to win state championships often times start very young. He may have been doing jiu jitsu for 2 months, but grappling is grappling whether it's judo wrestling etc and that man has likely been grappling for close to a decade
Not really. You have to find a state CHAMPION wrestler to get these results against an average BJJ person at a gym. It’s a theme I notice in most RUclips videos with wrestlers against BJJ, it’s always one or the best wrestlers against an average BJJ dude.
Nobody believes me when I tell them I submitted 2 purple belts my first week in jiu-jitsu, I wrestled for 10 years so it's about the same time as a brown belt has put in.
But I did get triangle choked by a brown belt 30 lbs lighter than me the same day 😂
Grappling is grappling, I just needed to learn more submissions than the basics.
Wrestlers are about control so that's what I did. I just thought about position over submission. And ended up getting a rear naked and an Americana
Judoka are tougher
I dont get the whole "omg bjj is so bad because a high level wrestler can do so well vs low to medium belts" narrative. They have many years of HARD grappling practice and built up TONS of strength. Wrestlers are grapplers. Its like saying "omg how can a high level thai boxer do better than 2-year hobbyist boxers, in boxing?!"
Perfect analogy
A great unemotional breakdown! Objectivity gets lost between tribes!
It's because martial arts schools *sometimes* become something closer to cults than a place for enthusiasts to, and even professionals to connect and explore! It's ironic how the methodology can become doctrine... and yet probably the most classic story of how things become perverted
Maybe if you talking about McKrotty. Most bjj schools you have to compete to move up, and it takes time. In fact I've never personally heard of any outside of online classes. I rarely see high school wrestlers lose to anything but high ranking bjj players. There is merit to the arguement, especially when the efficiency of bjj is so often blown up and touted as the best system ever. Not saying it's a certainty, but there IS merit to the arguement even at the hobbyist vs JV level.
@@Super3asterd our school is a strictly jujutsu school that promotes based on understanding of the techniques and not in competition. The issue with competition schools is the fact that very few people have long careers with it because of the amount of injuries that happen. I'm a father of two who doesn't care about plastic medals and only trains so that I can go home safely to my family every night. I want to still be able to train in my later years so I train that way.
Wrestlers train to pass and stand, BJJ train to pass and get position. You can see it really well in this video. Great one!
No
Wrestling = pin
BJJ = submission
Wrestlers train for control so they can pin both shoulder blades on the mat. What makes wrestling so great when they transition to mma is that aspect of control. When you add punching and elbows to the mix and the fact that a wrestler will have better control over their opponent 9 times out of 10 it turns into a lethal combo.
Top moments for me. The saddle sweep into heel hook and the high croch takedown were beautiful
This was cool i liked it. I appreciate the maturity and humility too of the higher level guys playing the game and being nice. Great stuff!
This is one of the best tutorial comparisons I've seen. Congratulations muh man. Well done.
As a chunky blue belt with no athletic experience, I love watching upper belts beat up these wrestlers, because I sure can’t 😂
Not with that attitude
Wrestlers dominate in real fighting. Its easy to look for armbars when wrestlers can't smash your nose with elbows. Very dangerous to be on your back in a real fight. But you little bjj boys are safe in your gym with your little rules. Congrats to your upper belts for beating non jiu jitsu practitioners in jiu jitsu
@@jwerdy5179wrestlers get submitted all the time in ufc and mma
@jwerdy5179 lol we got a badass over here. How bout we stop with the tribal bullshit and just enjoy the art 👌
@@justixeyt1026 They also dominate. Jon Jones and Khabib are the 2 greatest ever
Man, what a great job with the video! Instant subscribe. I am new here, but a huge MMA geek, follow all the big channels and I don't think I've ever seen a better made video on this wrestler vs bjj topic, thank you. 👊
thank you! means a lot
Josh is naturally gifted, once he becomes a blue belt, he will dominate a lot of tournaments.
agree.
very impressive
That man is gonna be a monster once he develops a guard game. He won't even have to worry about leg locks beyond a straight ankle until purple belt at most comps.
Josh is a savage. Also, great video. Loved the commentary
As a wrestler who has rolled with bjj guys I have one tip- never attempt a double leg takedown! Use armdrags or bodylocks and the occasional outside single leg.
As wrestler with a purple belt in BJJ, always go for a double leg. Shrug your shoulders and maintain posture/head position. Good technique will save you from getting choked.
Or just learn how to kickbox and work takedown defense and hard punches, Dan Heno Henderson baby... lol
Double leg, chin up.
@@DrewHop325good luck with that lol
@@the-ironclad You ever herd of GSP??? Or Laoda Macheta???
Slayyy, another killer video!! Thanks for partnering with us, you're the best!! 💙🎧
@@RayconGlobal Thank you! 💪🏼
I wrestled a lot and have done some submission grappling. There are "bad" habits that are tough for us to deprogram from (the quotes are because they are only bad in BJJ). We have to unlearn leaving our head hang out there, which is seen how he gets caught in a front guillotine (mostly a rookie loss). We are uncomfortable on our backs and have to unlearn giving up our backs. After that, we just don't know how to get a submission very well, because they are all moves that are illegal and considered dangerous in wrestling. If you're a smart wrestler, though, you can adapt pretty quick and be VERY tough to beat.
That's great content. I'm from Brazil and I have 41 years old. I saw jiu-jitsu morphing into Rio de Janeiro street fighting style into US wrestling + BJJ sport . It's pretty amazing to see it happening. I just miss the old Gracie's art that is much more into self defense, take concrete floor, walls, knife and etc, into the learning scope.
rolling on concrete 😭
State champ wrestler myself. I allreciate you taking the time to line up a crew to beat up Josh and show the advantages of BJJ.
One of the few English terms my coach was able to yell at us was, where the head goes, the body will follow.
I trained a long long time in both, and a wrestler from the catch, or judo Jean school are monsters. Had a coach from the states that broke my nose twice and snapped a tooth, just rasslin. Very underrated.
Good job mate.
I wrestled in college and was able to keep up with the brown belts at my school when I finally started. Granted I was no where near as knowledgeable as them as far as attacks like chokes or locks but they usually couldn’t tap me either, I always took that as a win.
previous d1 here (WVU 12-14) I usually control the pace of a match but I often walk into submissions because of inexperience with them.
Great video. I hope Josh does more jiu-jitsu..he could end up a being a beast
Such good rolls and narration. Having good training partners is perhaps the most important aspect of a gym. Someone who can motivate you, push you, challenge you, protect you while also helping you improve, helping them improve. It’s such an important resource
Cool video Ryan, youre one of my favourite bjj channels out there. Cant wait to see yours as Josh's journey in becoming a black belt 😛
Thanks man!
Well done. Great video and a compelling progression hook to keep us eager to see how a highly skilled wrestler can apply his skills to the Jiu Jitsu context. Really strong colour commentary describing the techniques being employed. Well done, mate!
All these dudes are awesome - hope to see more Josh in the future 👊🏽👊🏽
Really fun video to watch, would love to train with any of you guys. Thanks for the time and effort put into making this video.
Given my 20+ years of grappling experience, that went almost exactly as I thought it would. State champion wrestler means he could probably be a DI or DII wrestler. They need about two months of jiujitsu before they can hang with most purples and above without getting subbed.
Well wait watch you metric. I did 4 years of freestyle and greco prior to BJJ. And my first submissions succeeded vs blue belts. Took me about 3 private classes to accomplish that. I picked up things very fast back then.
The advance white belts and early blues were puzzled by how I could get the best of em in less than one month of BJJ.
Little secret, I watch Frank Shamrock on VHS tapes prior to my first classes, hi, hi, hi.
@@tededo why you lyin bruh? It won't help you in real life, you know...
No disrespect to the wrestler but why you acting like a Connecticut 1 time state champ could be a d2 wrestler let alone D1! I know it took a tone of work for this guy to get to this level and he’s very good but I think that’s a bad take
@WilliamC.2 How do you know he isn't? And how would I know he's a one time state champ from Connecticut? The crux of the premise is how seasoned wrestlers do in jiu jitsu and how the jiujitsu learning curve is affected by their spirt. Seems you're being kind of needlessly pedantic.
Depends on the wrestler though and how competitive the state they wrestled in. For example, I went to a few Jui jitsu gyms and was hanging with the brown belts easily. Struggled with the black belts. But blue belts and half the purples were not that tough, at least for me.
Dude as someone with noob grappling experience but an admiration for the art and physicality of it I loved this video. Great commentary explaining the above, keep em coming!
Brilliant video , subscribed ⭐️
Great vid. Talent from all sides. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that wrestler sparred with increasing belt levels one after another. That’s insane that he wasn’t more gassed and makes this ranking maybe not as accurate. Imagine if he started fresh against each one. Maybe he had a huge amount of time to rest in between? What a beast
8:50 Man, I was just thinking about this today. My school doesn't really drill, just roll around (bunch of 30-40 year-olds meeting up after work to learn a move or two). One thing that has been a big transition for me has been the culture and pace. I haven't wrestled competitively since I was 20, but the moment I stepped on the mat I was ready to get after it. BUT no one else shared that sentiment haha. Jiu jitsu has been a challenge, but it's a blessing to be on a mat again!
Wow, Josh did better than I thought he would and I actually started pulling for him. Great job against a high level BJJ black belt. Respect.
Lovely video Ryan, keep it up brother. Subscribed.
that sweep you did at 5:00 was nice dude!
Props to the wrestler for playing someone else’s game and doing well.
That was awesome, really great set up and skills. Also I really appreciated the commentary.
Second half of the video is elite. Getting a taste of his own medicine 😤
Excellent video. 🤙🤙 bro has MAD conditioning.
good video, thanks
Great video!
When I started my coach teamed me up with a 'Josh' who was training Judo for two years already.
I was totally green to all combat sports.
His signature move was the 'case'a'salami' or kesa-gatame.
There are not a whole lot of videos if decent wrestlers vs decent BJJers. I love how you use your belt metric, its even better than the Boyd belt band Rener Gracie spoke about. For that guy to be consider a blue/purple like me, he'll have to technically submit purple belts on rare occasion, or else, as you say, he's a high level blue.
Please get more of these footages for us.
I am 51, grizzled and seasoned looooooong time blue, and my wrestling is actually re-surfacing cause more and more high level blue and decent purples are challenging my game. Wrestling is what I use at times to get that edge I need and equalize my grappling game.
What is the wrestling metric? as opposed to a belt system. How many watermelons you can crush in a headlock? Joking, but genuinely interested.
Did you just call a state champ "decent"?
@@_Tao__ Hold on a second here. Wait a moment right now. Let me stop you right here. Lets halt this one right away. Decent wrestlers vs bjjers, lets say a bit worst than a D3. Thats usually what we're faced over here.
Gordon Ryan took on Bo Nickal in a modified rules submission match. Interesting video. Did not end well for the wrestler. Would have been worse if leg locks had been allowed.
@@nzdefrag most any college wrestler is pretty solid grappling wise. The difference in college is great as well. An naia champion is very tough but not on the same level as a D1 champ and there are generally only d1 all Americans and champs that succeed in the Senior Circuit ( world championships and Olympics) I would say the biggest difference between successful high school wrestlers and college is shot defense, ground control, and muscle endurance. Then obviously your Olympic guys are like DC and Cejudo
Bro, where did you find the footage on 00:28, it’s actually me with blue belt standing behind, this video was taken probably 8 years ago and I’ve never seen this footage before, do I live in the matrix💀💀💀
No way. I have always wanted to see a moment like this.
If this is real then WOW
So what are you now 20 years old?
@@DemocratsAgentsOfCarnage yes
@@artemievandamme6738 lol
It's true, I was the white belt.
That was very interesting. Thank you for recording and posting this valuable educational video. Thank you all.
This is about what I'd expect; brown+ is gonna have his number (until he learns jits), whites and blues can't keep up with his pressure, technique and athleticism.
Great video and commentary! Really appreciate your attitude to training and cooperation in the gym:)
I’m a black belt BJJ and my son is a HS varsity wrestler and when he and I spar, he is not easy to bring down (JUST take downs and technique and not submission). Wrestlers are indeed a different breed of people.
This was a great video, let's see how far a state champ bjj practitioner can get in wrestlers "ladder of bosses" like this.
Enjoyed the match ups. Interesting to watch as a former jr high wrestler
Thank you for the content everyone wanted to see!
I'm a wrestler, but I can honestly say that hands posted on the mat, which is common for wrestlers to do, is a recipe for a submission. I still believe wrestling is the best base for jiujitsu comp though 💪🏼
Awesome and entertaining video! Thanks for posting it.
Josh is a beast
Your grappling just makes me so happy! The perfect mix of good wrestling and Jiu Jitsu! 🤝🏽
Basically a 4-5 year wrestler beats a 2 year bjj blue belt but loses to a 4-5 year bjj blue/purple. Makes sense
good job buddy! you really cracked the code on that one!
@@Loquacious_Jackson not everyone knows how long it takes to get to certain belts nimrod.
Especially in the same day.
Basically he accepted to play their game. Otherwise he would have kept his distance and go for a bodyslam knockout
@@flavioferrara1101 he also did this one day while they were all fresh. 😂
Nice work Josh! and great video!
Carlos Gracie Jiu Jitsu are all about Power and Strong Takedowns, Hélio Gracie are Small and weak and he adapted the style for his body focused more on ground game.
Yeah
He probably doesn’t know martial arts history
that's just BJJ lore. All they actually did was rebrand Judo. Basically Just Judo (BJJ).
Great stuff man! Content is awesome!
Josh is great
This was really good and show how important it is to have skills like these. You both won't ever have any problems defending yourself if necessary.
Exceptional video! Wow.
i trained for years before i became disabled and i can literally smell this gym. what a nostalgic feeling.
black belt heel hooking a white belt :DD
First video of yours that I’ve seen, excellent stuff, and u look great, congrats and lots of future success, kick ass brother!
Cool video. As a large blue belt I have done well with wrestlers. The butterfly sweep and the guillotine being the main techniques. They learn super fast though and are never an easy roll.
Camera work was solid. Great work!
Josh vs Georgio Poullas when?
that would be sick
Georgio’s on a different level imo.
@@Taparoo2yup georgio is actually an insanely good wrestler
@@joshuamartinez8049josh is an amazing wrestler but credential wise, georgio’s ironman championship is crazy
Georgio would bully him
Josh is a SUPER good sport! Seems like a great guy to have as a friend.
The learning the armbar from watching MMA is something I'm surprised I've never heard anyone else mention, I have no martial arts gyms near me but have still learnt basic striking and grappling by watching UFC fights
You didn’t.
@@THISISLolesh Whatever you say pal
, what are you guys even talking about? An arm bar is an incredibly easy move to learn and execute. Anyone with grappling and fighting experience can figure it out and implement it pretty easily 😂
Similar here. Been an mma fan for long, went to a few BJJ classes and had quite some success just by having an image of some of the situaitons I found myself in from fights. Other than RNC and guilottine, it wasn't so much about the submissions (too much technique missing) but the ability to recognize bad/good positions compared to someone who's not an avid mma fan. Even though I was mathcing the intensity of my sparring partners and not going crazy, being quite athletic at that time helped surely.
When you mentioned that wrestling helps with learning and visualizing is so key. I feel like I’m able to learn moves quicker and get them to the point I can use them against higher belts because of my wrestling background.
The black belt went last and rested the other rounds
All of em were fatigued, none of em were fresh.
I once viewed a high level freestyle 20ish yo wrestler vs BJJ black belt, and before the wrestler lost by armbar, it took a long while, in the mean time, the black belt pull guard to avoid the takedowns, but his round was a turmoil as the wrestler was creating a whirlwind and storm in his BJJ game.
The black belt took it easy on him
Fantastic video, fantastic performance from all of you guys. Loved it
After 28 years of BJJ I have learned it is better to be patient with Wrestlers. They explode a lot and if you are busy moving while they do that you lose position. The goal is to be super patient, more patient than time constraints sometimes allows for. I am 47 years old and it may take me longer than 5 or 10 minutes to catch them but I can go as long as I need because I don't try to match aggression with more aggression.
Your RUclips account is older then me
@@Umarkolbaev-rizzlergyatt not sure what your point is.
@@tusccountyjiujitsu Im not trying to make a point
I really enjoyed the video, as gi and nogi practitioner, the video just proves one more time that nogi levels from the bottom, as a non experienced can give troubles to high levels, at gi, the max he would mess with, would be the blue belts, after that he would be smashed. What I mean is that he would not be able to escape and scramble that much because the grips. Nice video 💪🔥
Josh is going 100% and is taking advantage of the fact that his training partners don't want to hurt him. There were multiple instances where the upper belts could have taken limbs home with them and chose not to.
If Josh keeps training like that, he is going to get seriously injured when he tries to explode out of a bad position and his partner doesn't let him slip.
I don't say this as a way of passing judgment - I was the same way when I first started BJJ. I was a state finalist wrestler and am now a BJJ black belt, but I definitely caught a few unnecessary injuries as a white and blue belt due to going too hard in practice.
Josh was holding back, too. Why would you think that? He is wrestling, but that doesn't mean. he doesn't have lethal knowledge. Their sparring. True sparring means it's for growth, not to destroy your training partner.
What well of course he’s on thier terms
You guys are beasts!!! Great video!!
Bo nickol had no BJJ when he only lost by 2 points to Gordon Ryan
Gordon was literally playing with Bo….
@@treyant12barley and he’s at the highest level
Just wrestling a state champ has him in trouble never mind a Olympic champ
great video! as a black belt myself, I've gotta say, everyone at your gym looks SHARP. you had some good looking wrestling too, my man. keep training, you're gonna be a killer!
Good video but it is hard to make concrete claims about wrestling = belt level . I live in PA and have rolled/trained with kids who have placed 5th and 6th at states in PA and have seen black belts under them not being able to move at all.
Great video, wish it was longer.
I hate these "wrestler vs bjj guy" videos where the wrestler has "about twenty bjj classes". So he's had BJJ taught to him and he's done fifty or a hundred BJJ sparring rounds but we're pretending it's a skill vs skill test? Stupid wrestlers. 🥴
Like a carpenter vs a plumber?
This was a great video. Props to everyone who participated!
Wrestlers who start doing bjj seriously become monsters, big wrestlers who start are monsters right from the start!!! I have 100% respect for their craft and love learning more about wrestling as it certainly improves my game!!!!
Great video! Amazing session!
This was an awesome video. Thanks for posting it.
Getting out of your comfort zone and playing someone else’s game is not only admirable but smart. You’ll basically be in a league all your own at the end of the day.
You got me at brown belt. Changed Josh's clothes and got a similar looking guy. Had to rewind to see who was who LOL. Great video btw. Thanks!
Great video! I didn't skip a second. Loved it!
At 10:39 that crossover to the other side was just beautiful. I’m not experienced in either sport but a fan of watching the grappling arts.
The most important thing this shows is how at pretty much every level of grappling, strength and athleticism determine much of the outcome. I'd honestly be more interested in a direct comparison of each individuals deadlift, bench, and squat.
Patrick is awesome. Met him when he used to train in Simi Valley. Good dude, good jiu-jitsu.
What I learned from this video:
In 1 month, Josh would *own* this dojo.
Awesome video and awesome job guys. Respect to Josh
When I first started training BJJ, I would go full speed. I wrestled all through high school and after and in wrestling you are going 100% most of the time or your coach would yell you are Dogging it!! I kept getting people who kinda gave me dirty looks, when I rolled with them lol. One guy finally explained what I was doing and it took awhile to adjust. But once you start learning about setting up position and using leverage etc, it is WAY more efficient and easier.
I don't really know what was going on here but that was a great video. Looks awesome!