Chimp Learns to Trade | Extraordinary Animals | BBC Earth
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2014
- Panzee the chimp is a remarkable creature who has learned the value of trade. Here she is challenged to pick tokens to trade for food. If she really is as intelligent as her handlers believe she is, she should choose the tokens for all her favourite foods first. So is she up to the task? Subscribe: bit.ly/BBCEarthSub
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2014: monkey learns to trade
2030: monkey holds people hostage and demands bananas
I like this comment.
Yes.
If she wasn’t in a cage she would’ve murdered them both and eaten all the bananas & oranges. Followed by a slow zoom-in shot, Pansy does a Kanye shrug 🤷🏽♂️ and the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays
Somalian pirates have been doing it for years
Made me smile
The chimp is probably thinking, "humans are weird but whatever it takes to get my favorite food"
LMAO
thecsslife fr😂
Yup.
lol I bet the unedited version show's them throwing faeces after bread is offered
LOL
This is what it feels like to be a business student
OMFG
Hahaha...good one..
And economic of course we monke
BTEC business
Gee 4 years working at a uni and fair whack too drunk to trade anything but hangovers lol
Man : What do u want?
Chimp: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a laaarge soda
Should be top comment
Pretty sure, only a tiny number of people understand this one xD
@Peter Phillips Well, to be fair, the GTA base isn't small^^
Came to the comments to see if anyone else was bothered by the unjustified inferences made by the researchers in this case. Stayed for the lols
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
its all fun and games until the banana markets crash and then the 1% control all the grapes!
Bencad22 they'll probably build a wall before that.
Best comment ive seen 2018
climid lol im dead bra 😂😂😂
yet you sit there and comment. go back to farm & grow more banana
it 2019
How does this experiment show she understands the concept of value? To me it just seems she understands that one drawing means orange, and another means bread.
What would be interesting is to have all the coins be the same, and making a fruit worth 3 coins, and a bread worth one.
Exactly what I thought.
Boy, some people get Grants to research utter nonsense. Its a slap in the face to people who do labour jobs. Makes these researchers go work in a warehouse or shop or something. Make them realize that when you get paid to do something you need to get results.
ThePeacemaker848
Sometimes in science, a finding may seem insignificant because it does not have a practical application at the time the discovery is made. But this does not mean that the finding will not contribute to science in the future. This is what separates applied research to basic research, and is why the layperson often fail to understand the importance of the latter (it looks insignificant). Let me illustrate this with an example; Oklahoma senator Tom Coburn criticized scientific projects that sounded "funny", among them was one project that involved effective ways for freezing rat sperm. Many critiqued the study because it sounded bizarre and weird. What the layperson did not know is that we have very valuable rat strains that represent particular models of human disease, and if one is able to freeze the sperm, researchers could re-create that rat, and save a lot of money (Boyer, 2010, p.62).
Keep in mind also that you are basing your opinion on a 3:09 minute long clip. Do you believe that you have a full understanding of the whole study, the methodology used, or the controls they use to measure variables? This is a clip that is made for the sole reason of giving a glimpse at what is being researched, not a clip that tries to educate us on the inner details in their experimental setup.
ThePeacemaker848
Because you are an expert on experimental psychology apparently. "Privileged" is also not the word I would use, they went through 8+ years of schooling to get to do what they do, that you don't consider their research worthwhile doesn't mean it isn't
1missing
well its worthwhile to them because they are getting paid to do it.
Have you been to university? Most of what they teach is useless.
Chimp: "I've trained these humans really well. They understand which food item they should give me for which token. They might even have an understanding of trade and value!"
i think dogs are more trainable and intelligent than chimpanzees or any other primates.
lol
Chimps don't have a Theory of Mind developed enough to make assertions about the contains of a human brain (and it is doubtful they can do it with grapes besides some perspective-taking)
@@All4reason O RLY? Looks like you don't have a Theory of Mind developed enough to make assertions about the contains of a joke.
@@jamesblunt006 damn, that's an old ass meme but you burnt that guy alive
* C H I M P C A P I T A L I S M *
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Stonks
Chimpitalism
Wait to Koba. He will fight for the communism.
No we need communism apes
0:45 this test is at the cutting edge of research into chimp intelligence. *Goofy music plays*
LobsterProductions 😂
LobsterProductions it kinda reminded me of the pink panther song
😂😂😂
Ha ha
I know right!! This is how Elon Musk needs to film the next SpaceX launch 😂😂
if the chimp was really smart it would take the board with the chips over to food and eliminate walking back and forth
Smart? Or laziness?
+Gromit Pesley lack of understanding of the system
Those have already evolved and now commenting to each other on RUclips.
Kari Pundai
Why do you think that some evolved while the others remained the same? Either they would all evolve or all would remain the same.
@@5alidallol what a dumbass
Chimp 1: hey bro can I have a piece of that fruit
Chimp 2: Sure dude, here.
Researcher: *e x t r a o r d i n a r y*
Haha It's kind of extraordinary. True altruism is rare in the animal kingdom, but it's pretty common within humans. Studying apes and their behavior really could teach us a lot about how we evolved.
i love that capitalism is so deeply soaked into our society that the voiceover claims that this is some kind of "investment", rather than just an ape giving their friend some fruit.
Unlike this experiment it's actually pretty sophisticated. Most group animals have a simple fixed order of who eats first. Chimps remember who owes who and if you don't play fair they'll destroy you. They recognize there can be personal gain in altruism and have a strong (too strong) sense of justice.
@@gloverelaxis because if you see ape documentaries and such it usually isn't so linear. Several times some apes only give out food specifically for tactical reasons either to build relationships to make power moves in rising up the ranks in their own group. While in this environment it's less serious
@@gloverelaxis
Giving to friends helps strengthen bonds. They're more likely to have your back if the need arises. So yes, it could be called a sort of investment.
Is everyone going to ignore the fact that the Chimp casually walked over when told to at 0:43?
Chimps are smart enough to know what pointing and certain sounds mean.
They have a really complex language which consists of many simple gestures.
I like how the Chimp also touches her head with her hand as if silently saying “Yes, ma’am!”
by the end, Panzee has successfully gained type 3 diabetes
Lol.
Or coeliac disease because of the bread
Eamon Ahern bread does not cause the genetic disease celiacs
@@turtleextra4128 just like there's no type 3 diabetes.
Eamon Ahern It’s a joke.
5,000 years later
“We live in a chimpanciety”
ʕ º ᴥ ºʔaha
Joe Rogan must have watched this a thousand times.
@KillaCrossover318 r/woosh
he'll give monkeys a bit of acid and dmt
Aliens be like: "these humans are so primitive, they need their mouth to communicate."
She's so polite taking one at a time.
Just wait when one day you handle him piece of bread and he yells NOOO !
It’s all good until he starts trading drugs
Lol!!!
In Africa actually they are using Baboons to trade drugs, very risky business
2014 : Monke learn to trade
2018 : Monke going to trade school
2022 : Monke open up Oil company
2026 : Monke Conquer stock market
2030 : Monke become top 1%
2036 : Age of monke
2077: Monke takes over the world
I'm not sure if this really shows that she understands trading and value in an abstract sense, but more so that she can correlate an image to a food and understands quid pro quo (which is super cool on its own).
Yea let’s not listen to the DOCTOR doing a study with a chimp he knows INTIMATELY…….but listen to YOU, a nobody with god knows what education. I’ll say now, Even with just your silly inane comment…..you clearly can’t be THAT intelligent…..I mean Christ…..seriously? 🙄😂🤣😂😮💨🤡
2045: chimp invests at the stocks market
1:15 - Chimp looks at the camera like "You believe what these idiots make me do for food?"
As other people have pointed out, this only means it can perform an action to get a thing. What would actually be interesting is to test whether they'd hoard tokens for future consumption. Would they trade carrots for tokens so they can later buy bananas?
Now that would prove the understanding of trades and currency. A dolphin did a similar thing.
@@alexcisneros2980 Is there a video or article about the dolphin? you got me curious
Be interesting but I wonder if chimps are hard wired to want what they want now, all at once.
Yeah, that would be an actually useful study. Instead, all they did was teach the monkey a trick to know which token will give her which food... I could do the same with my dog.
Yea this is what I was wondering, like why didnt panzee just take all the token of her favourite foods all at once to the merchant and then trade. That would demonstrate she understands greed and manipulation which is a complex emotion. This also demonstrates she has the ability to think retroactively about cause and effect like how many tokens will get her what foods all at once. Which I believe is higher order thinking. Also doing that means to value currency which is a hallmark of trade.
2014: Monkey is introduced to capitalism
2024: Monkey discovers Oil
Middle East: Ah shit here we go again
The monkeys already live in the middle east anyway
That would be imperialism
Next, you need to teach her that she has to work 8 hours a day to earn the tokens. lol
2030: Chimpansee owns microsoft
Pansy is so polite and ladylike. She is adorable.🥰
0:34 She forgot to remove the sticker from the Orange! not acceptable!
Martin Jacobsen it was the dude cutting the food up
They don't eat outer skin
thatś fucked up...
who puts stickers on oranges?!
The stickers are actually edible.
@skylerelax No it isn't. The paper and the glue is made out of FDA approved materials that will pass through your system with no harm.
i dont think the chimp understand trade and value. i think it realizes that it can do this simple task. (like giving the man that specific object) and in turn the chimp gets a reward. all this was, was the illusion that the animal has that kind of capacity.
Bubbles keep telling yourself that buddy.
Nick and what is trade if not just that? should they do the experiment with real money for you to see it? I personally think they should do this with real money, it would be funnier
Nick Watch this and tell me you don’t think they understand trading: ruclips.net/video/ovpsuyRanw8/видео.html
That's called value though. Money is just a item that we realize can do tasks or get us things. That's literally . you said
Yes, this experiment is all wrong.
2020: Humans teach chimpanzees how to build class society.
Yea this is what I was wondering, like why didnt panzee just take all the token of her favourite foods all at once to the merchant and then trade. That would demonstrate she understands greed and manipulation which is a complex emotion. This also demonstrates she has the ability to think retroactively about cause and effect like how many tokens will get her what foods all at once. Which I believe is higher order thinking. Also doing that means to value currency which is a hallmark of trade.
Just wait until they learn about communsim
That’s really cool.
I remember seeing some of the retired chimps at Project Chimp were taught by their previous owners to pick up trash from their enclousure and trade it for treats with the caretakers.
I’m not an expert, just a big animal and science enthusiast. I can only imagine what sort of common exchanges take place among chimps.
As an educated guess, I suspect trading is most common between chimps who are friends, or want to be friends. Sharing extra food with your pal who in exchange also shares their finds with you. Friendship could be what the chimps want to buy most, using service, favors, food and items of interest as their currency.
There’s my 2 cents.
The orangutan rehab in Borneo showed an orange grab a bunch of her favorite turnips, sit by herself, defend the turnips against another who tried to take some, then share them with her friend when the friend arrived.
She only takes one token each time. She’s never greedy! What a good girl Pansy is.
monkey very greedy it trained to take one at time. when monkey take one, give treat. if monkey take none or more than one, no treat. pretty soon, monkey just take one at time.
Not about greed since she takes all she wants anyways. She is inefficient
Yeah she sell me a unused car yesterday. Guess what? I got scammed.
An interesting test would be what would she would do if she found them lying on the ground, especially if she wasn’t hungry. Would she store them and wait to use them later?
1:04 'This will demonstrate that she understands the concept of currency and value.' What? More like she knows how to order at a buffet. I love how that chimp experiment room has all the feel of a prison.
Darnocium Sweggiest lord of all Yeah I know, I'm just saying... That is one depressing room.
clearly they have a big roomy outside enclosure they spend the majority of their time in so why do you care?
its just because chimp hasnt used the "renovate my cage" chip yet.
They don’t know what a human prison is. They just know it as an area.
If they can understand trading, they can understand money. If they can understand money, they can understand to work for money. If they can understand work for money, they can understand if they work they can use that money to buy their favorite food from the supermarket. You can actually run a successful little business with these guys. They might even turn on you one day and overtake you as the head of that business
Wow great mind you have
If you really want to test it you should let her work a couple of times a day with puzzles or something like that for cheap tokens and teach her if she works for days and saves up tokens she could get the oranges or she can use the tokens instantly for bread grapes and so on
*Their evolving.*
It's not just the fact that she's understanding the concept of trade, or doing something to recieve something, I mean we can see that in rats with drug tests. But more importantly it's the fact she took the time to decide based off of what she likes, her tastes if you will, before the trade hahah she took the time to peruse the wares
I've always been a proponent in the qualities that we define as "human" are not really human at all. But are shared by many animals. And their "intelligence" is based on a fish's ability to climb.
Excellent production.
This is truly fascinating
And people say animals are stupid. They're so intelligent. Animals are amazing.
Some animals are very very stupid. Like deer for example
Some animals can’t even be called stupid. Like the jellyfish for example, it has literally no brain so you can’t call it stupid.
my dog can't recognize me if im standing in a stairway
my other dog eats his own poop and throws up afterwards
I truly love seeing this stuff. I hope one day our species can live together. Maybe not completely the same or anytime soon, but I believe these studies are baby steps.
100% agree just look at the habits and behaviours they are capable of copying just out of their own curiosity. I feel that it is our obligation as apex apes to pass on knowledge, it stars with comprehension.
Check out Kanzi the bonobo way better research bzt don't get as much credit. 😒
Bro wut…
Chimps are violent monsters. Orangutans are not only more friendly but also more intelligent.
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
Even though I couldn't see it up close it was still so cute when the chimp took the m&ms in her hand
I can watch this again and again
É muito bom ver como são inteligentes
Next up: Trading paper clip for a house.
What's a paper clip?
What she really understands is if the fence was down she would be conducting a completely different experiment.
I feel like these videos are videos we would watch in school
But I love them
I would love to work with these wonderful smart animals
when capitalism reaches animal kingdom
If she really understood value, I don't think this test demonstrates that fact. Perhaps if they used a single type of token but demanded different amounts for different foods, then I'd be more convinced.
Lets say they could initially train her to trade two tokens for one banana. but if she wanted TWO banana she would have to figure out on her own that four tokens would be necessary. This would (i think so at least) rule out her just memorizing the answer. That would seem more convincing to me.
could watch them for hours
Chimp: S T O N K S
This is literally minecraft IRL the chimps are just villagers
You can even see in the beginning of the video he understands where they want him to go to
There's an Orangutan in Myrtle Beach that adopted a dog. Or maybe more like the dog adopted him... The park owners don't feed the dog, Suryia does, giving the dog food when he's fed. He will also split his treats, they'll give him something and he breaks it in half and gives half back to them. Pretty cool stuff. Channel w/vids is "MyrtleBeachSafari".
The problem is, a possible form of inflation with wood!
0:33 Is that M&M ?
uesdto signin 1:47
Doesn't mean the chimp understands the concept of currency/value. This is basic conditioning: If I bring the orange square, I get an orange.
Imagine the chimp takes all of the tokens and runs away
2:22 I’m in love 😍
What I would do is I will give him a labor that he have to do eat and give him a token with every labor he accomplished. And every food item needs a certain amount of token to aquire it. For example he have to do the labor once to get the bread but three times to get the banana. Then let's see if he understands the concept of currency.
You ever just get sucked down a wormhole of chimp videos
3 years being a BA major and this vid sums up all i learned in those 3 years
I dont think they've taught him to trade. It's more like an extra step to get food. Like training a dog to sit before it gets a treat. It's just more complex as the chimp gets to choose it's treat.
For this to be a scenario where the chimp is trading it would need to think that it owns the little tokens. This could be displayed by the chimp storing them somewhere, like a hole in a tree or sack of some sort. Your right to property extends as far as you're willing to fend off others from taking it, property is naturally a very aggressive concept. So if someone tried to take the tokens away he would need to react in a way that prevents them from taking the tokens. Then he would need to approach the person with food when ever he feels like it. It can't be in controlled demonstration, because he would be trained to perform the actions instead of genuinely meaning them
We already know chimps understand the concept of property, so your idea should hopefully be put into practice for an experiment. In the BBC show "Spy in the Wild" a 5-year old chimp (a completely WILD chimp, I might add) kidnaps a robot turtle and keeps it as a pet/toy. Going so far as to fight off any other chimp who tries to touch it, let alone take it.
Comparing a dog to a chimpanzee is pretty irrational
@@Gruff46 we compare ourselves to other animals all the time. It's the only way we can understand them as we can only understand behavior similar to ours. You dont even know what "Irrational" mean or how and where to use it. Lol
Strawman argument
She brought the bread token but didn't really want the bread, lol..
It was bought for you.
Eat up chimp.
😊
the very last part shows how smart chimps really are to think that thru
Thatis absolutely amazing
Bananacoin will go to $100k! Mark my words
Regarding the concepts of value and trade, I'm inclined to point out that - Bonobos do it better.. 😉
2:36 that chimp is beautiful
Just wait until the grape value crashes.
All it takes now is to make it work 8 hours a day in order to get thr tokens and you can enslave them
Really makes you think
Animals in the wild have to search/hunt for their food. That takes work. I have a job that feeds me and that also takes work.
It's as if nothing really has changed over millions of years and across species lines: survival takes work. We're all slaves to our mortality.
@@June28July Slaves to our mortality? You mean slaves to our biological desire to survive? Cause death is real easy, i can not give a fuck about anything and slit my wrist right now.. and that would be the exact opposite of what you meant to say, that would be the ultimate freedom from my biological programming.
That woman in red was beautiful
catch the name?
@@user-ve5ym5ok6g lmao
@@longslongprong Katja
ProfessorFATE Katja Libal from Germany
Beautiful animals they are
0:45 “this test is at the cutting edge of chimp training” -- 2 people talking to a chimp
How could anyone dislike this she’s a genius
Governments running an economy: an inside look
Pansy - best name EVER for a chimpanzee!
A smart chimp would take all the coins and buy all the food.
Why are all these animal loving chicks hot?!
@@CedarTallman Good Lord wtf
Because a shallow thot is the farthest thing from a compassionate woman, and there's too many of those and not enough of these.
@@CedarTallman .....
@@dsh2786 whoooosh
You missed some verbs there Panzee
Drilling CAPITALISM into chips .. just hilarious
Omg. The chimps has been right there with us but making us do all the work.
I am so happy human asses evolved the way they did.
This interpretation of that behavior is so ideologically driven.
The ape remembers which token relates to which fruit. That doesn’t tell you anything about trade behavior.
Interpreting a homo economicus character of apes into social behavior (among relatives) is dull to problematic.
Not sure this proves they understand currency and value. Surely it proves they can just pick the symbol that matches what's next to their favourite item
that chimp is so cute :D
Chimp: walks into room
*sees shopkeeper guy and the girl with the tokens
"here we go again"
"Trade" involves giving up something of value. So that first experiment showed a grasp of sybols, but not of trade. The tokens had no value outside the limits of the experiment at that moment, so the ape gave up nothing. If the ape had finished by scooping up the orange tokens to use later, that would have given the tokens some value as storers of value.
@glyn hodges I agree. I particularly hate the "a new study shows X" kind of reporting. This is typical in issues of health and medicine, but also in politicized public policy issues. Reporters often either do not grasp statistics or simply will not be bothered with nuance or ambiguity.
The chip first learns to point at symbols to get a certain food, then to carry the symbols over to another person. It is a very basic level of intelligence that could be demonstrated without any concept of value, trade or currency.
Teaching the chimps bureaucracy.
All it demonstrates is she knows what color chip to pick up for each type of food..
Even I want a woman in red to study me😭
Interesting. I don't think humans have actually come that far from our relative's trading/investment strategies. Cynical? Definitely, but we do dress it up with feigned altruism to the point where we ourselves don't know that we're acting with our own self-interests in mind.
Prostheta It's not feigned. The reason our race survived is because we evolved to be concerned about furthering not only our own genes but the genes of those we're related to and even the genes of the human race. Altruism is evolutionarily advantageous for a species and that's why we have it... And it's not unique to humans.
Cyrus Toles In that instance, it is not altruism. There is specific return (the furthering of one's own and related genes) which makes it an investment strategy. Altruism by its very nature is for no return or reward.
Prostheta
And I'm saying that altruism by its very nature of selfless concern, is actually a biological investment strategy. You're not cognizant of it being an investment strategy when you do it, only your genes know the truth.
Cyrus Toles The word altruism is being used incorrectly, then. You're correct that altruism is a selfless concern, so any involvement of an investment strategy means it is no longer altruistic. Perhaps it has the appearance of altruism, however behind it is a simple drive towards return by preservation of one's (or one's closest) genes.
Human "altruism" is riddled with strategies such as image preservation, false flag deception and all manner of social layers; cognisant or not. We're no different to animals, no matter how much we'd like to pretend we are.
Aliens watching humans do their tests and gasping "awww" would probably be not so far away.
It's all fun and games until a chimp finds a hunny-bun under their pillow.