Chafiq is someone I would stay away from. Very immature, aggressive, manipulative, judgmental, self centred. Has a looooot of growing to do. I am sorry for Dounia for still being so inexperienced and not being able to see that through
First of all, the scene when Nour was supporting Karma gave me goosebumps. Women should learn to do that more often. Secondly, I was watching the show with my husband, and we happen to be Tunisians just like Karma, when Ammar was convincing her that no " middle Eastern man would approve of her dancing" and he was yelling, " get lost we are not middle easterns" 😅 it was funny seeing him cheering for Karma even though he hates the show.
The problem with Ammar is, why choose a woman who tells you she loves to dance and isn't too concerned about having kids when you want your wife to not dance and it's important to you to have kids.... choose a woman whose values align with yours.
He wanted to possess her and/or no one else was interested. My other take is she is his pixie dream girl…he likes the idea and artist nature of her but not the actually person.
Because he doesn't want love and commitment with someone who shares his alleged values... hence the double standards... he wants to destroy and control an independent happy creative woman
@ lol yup, typical for your backwards society. You realize when it goes for just women it becomes problematic. Stop making your people look worse than they already do.
People who support them are really blind lol I just feel a little bad for Dunya because I feel she's getting manipulated by Chafic, who is her first man, but if she chose to stay with after watching the show that's her problem
I am a 60 year old woman who watched the show in Ireland. I had many similar concerns to yours but the dynamic between Ammar and Karma was particularly upsetting to me. Having listened to you break down what was behind his behaviour towards her makes it even more upsetting but so good to hear and understand. I was horrified by his expectations of her which he expressed so nonchanantly as if it were a given that she would immediately say 'Yes darling'. I have watched the show in other countries and there are always a few loose cannons both male and female but all the men in this were really hard to take. I couldn't imagine any woman wanting to be with any of them.
I couldn't see any real men being with any of them. It's why only one couple got married. It was the women who ruined it. This women will probably stay single into their 40s.
babe i'm middle eastern and when i saw the reunion ESPECIALLY the part with ammar and karma i was so angry and sad.I hate this ammar guy so much and when i say ammar i dont just talk about this guy but all the ammar guys that think the sme thing about women.and when i open tiktok and see girls drooling over him it saddens me so much.Also karma is right there is no "norme" in the middle east in which men have to be the fkg leader and protector or whatever . Honestly men like ammar are the reason why i trust so much in the 4b mvmt
Ughhh exactly, I stopped watching after 2 eps I couldn't watch him anymore, how much he was love bombing karma and trying to control her even in the beginning before they saw eachother with his fake jealously/sternness. He even said he's looking for a stay at home wife that'll ask him permission before doing anything!! Did ppl just ignore that? He definitely chose karma because she's driven, strong and he saw her individuality and wanted to be the one to squash it, like some stupid power play, hate people like this. Happy to see that she Walks. Away. 👏
The bottom line is that he Ammar said himself that he is supposed to always get his way. If he doesn't like something, whatever he wants, she isn't to object. She's just supposed to say okay. His feelings come before hers, ALWAYS. That's not a partner you care for. That's just a servant.
If a man that lets me express myself isn't a real man, ok then, I don't want a real man. I'll happily take an "unreal" man if he makes me happy and I make him happy.
My god, I can't with this man's bullshit. "And then we can discuss it afterwards" AMMAR, you already said you can't accept it and that you expect to always have your way! What is there to discuss?!
When I was watching this show, I couldn't help thinking that the culture many of these cast members grew up in creates a bunch of the most insecure people with most fragile egos. That if "your" woman or man even looks at someone else, it makes you lose your sh*t. But it can't be a generalisation for the whole Middle East, because some women were so confident and emancipated. Let's hope it gets better. Another thing I noticed is that most of these men are dangerous predators. Like when Ammar said about a look that can hurt more than words or touch and everybody agreed. That's because THEY themselves are the same way. They would see a woman dancing, and they would lust all over her. They are projecting their own behaviour on other men and want women to take responsibility. And I wish they would only "look" at other women, but I don't believe that. Ammar gives me creeps.
No you got it wrong cuz in Middle East most women who are dancers are sluts and a man can easily pays one to sleep with, it’s like a stereotype that’s why he wouldn’t like any man to see his wife as a slut and believe me no middle Eastern man would support that 🤷🏽♀️
Yesssss I applaud you for calling out Ammar's (and all the other guys') BS!!!👏👏👏 I 100% agree on everything you said and all of it needed to be said! Thank you! I love your passion on this topic, the absolutely disgusting behavior from the guys should not be normalized under any circumstances. Love love love this commentary!
@39:41 I absolutely gagged. I'm staying mad! They think this thinking is justified? What fcking planet are they on, "It's hard to listen to No even from the woman I love." Come on. Sounds a lot like "I will not be denied." Childish
I did not enjoy this show at all and I skipped most of the episode but I love RUclips videos about it especially the reunion. Arab society and broadly patriarchal societies have a lot of double standards and this show showcased all those aspects in my opinion. I watched and liked other love is blind shows to some extend but there is a very special mix of toxic behaviour in this particular one. Maybe they intentionally chose the most toxic people to create drama who knows.
Oh my God, I was such a Dunya and my first love was Chafic. He was just more elegant in manipulating and gasliting me, but the purpose was the same. To make me insecure and craving of his atention. You can become miss universe or balerina ir the most sexy and seductive or most inteligent, it will never be good enough. Schizophrenic relationship.
I'm a semi-professional bellydancer from what would be considered a Western country and let me tell you something about the hypocricy of "oriental" cultures which are the origins of this beautiful art form. They explicitly forbid and have problems with Arab women taking part in dancing but for the Western women it is fully allowed and Egypt is full of clubs and restaurants which are hosting foreign dancers. These clubs are always full to the brim and most so, not exclusively with tourists but locals and natives as well. The hipocricy is real. Also every dance is in some way "sexy" because it emphasises and uses the natural softness and limbness of a woman. If you have a problem with dance - you have a problem with women and their nature. I saaaid what i said.
I'm in a process of reading a book called "Why does he do that", which is about abusive men. What they say in the book, is basically that the biggest part of what makes a man abusive or controlling is his male role models he saw when he grew up and yep the culture around him. So, unfortunately, when those men from the show say it's a cultural thing, they might be actually correct. I'm not saying it justifies anything, just wanted to point out this fact. And, by the way, the book is fascinating and horrifying at the same time, you should check it out.
He said that to belittle Nour, like ”she's nothing to me”... but he just made himself look like an easy playboy guy. And it's even worse if he remembers nour at first glance when she's supposed to be one of the thousand girls he talked with lol
Okay, I caught that too. He’s testing Dounia. Her interactions with men and to be honest I thought he wanted to trigger her after laying down the law on what was expected of her with her and other men. He was going to see how far he could push her boundaries and then belittled her for having those emotions. Like I can be jealous but you cannot
For myself I looked into being on LIB bc it seemed like fun. I had no expectations I’d find love or make it out of the pods, at most I’d appear in the background or something. It just seemed like a fun experience to have, then all the stuff came out about how cast was mistreated and I was like maybe this wouldn’t be fun at all! I’m not saying pple who go on aren’t going on for clout, but it could also be they just wanted the experience. So when Mohammed said he had no expectations of finding love I was like I see you man. 🤝🏽
@@saram217 darling as you can clearly see the person I indicated my comments fled and deleted his own so why are you so bothered? Doesn’t concern you. And as far as I know they released the show internationally not only for Arabs. And you shouldn’t be bothered about my personal life, my personal life is not on a reality dating TV show babe
I think there is a little cultural context about the shyness part ... In Arab culture it has another side to it that is more about being pure and innocent and inexperienced 😅 Still a bit problematic but in a different way 😂
I understand your point of view on Safa and Mohamed’s relationship but I think you didn’t understand their banta/humour. They are very cute together and they have their own vibe/humour etc but I do agree that they should work on a couple things that you mentioned. Even though Mohamed isn’t an asshole like some of the guys he still has internalised misogyny he needs to work on.
Ammar is saying the men cant control themselves, that grape happens and its womens fault for being "alluring". When it actually happens no matter how we are dressed, act and by people we know well
Tunisia is not in the middle east. It is part of Arab culture though. Arab men in most of the case think that way like Ammar and Muhammad. Just their way is different. In the middle east even non Arabs suffer from Islamic rules if the country ruled by that like Iran which is Not Arabic country, they have persian culture so majority of women are highly educated and play important roles in society but yet they are treated by radical rules if they pass courts for some reason like divorce or heritage. This lunched the motives for Woman-life- freedom movement. I believe this is more significant in Arabic countries where the government rules are more on side of women but their society hold them back like Ammar.
@@anonymouss5825 I know a con when I see it. You are one of those iranian communists max! Please don’t drag your biased baggage onto the enitre middle east and fix your proplems in Iran. respectfully
I diagree with the comment about shyness. Being shy to the person you are romantically interested in is a very alluring thing in a lot of cultures. I feel a lot of your issues are because of the misinterpretion of the culture.
It would be interesting to hear what you think of the different couples on 90 day fiánce like Adnan and Tigerlily, Sarper and Shekinah or Niles and Matilda 😊
I don’t want to shook you, but Amar is actually open minded for Middle East over all, I don’t want you to know what a typical middle eastern men are truly are (With exceptions of course
@@fatlumekrasniqi5927 yes if you see Arabic comments many of them (not all) can’t understand how she chose dancing over a very respectful man and also they think that he is very polite and open minded and what he asked is what any man would be asking for. His request and being first in the relationship is very mild in comparison to what most traditional men would ask for
I loved thé vidéo. Thé only thing that s left out is that they are muslims and middle eastern so a lot of things are Just qctually rooted in the culture doesn t make it right. some of it is actually religious which is a choice. Some of the things are very toxic. Some of them are Just how every one grew up there not really a personal thing.
I agree with a lot of things but I thinks it's too jugmental to judge about other people's love, preferences. A relationship, marriage takes effort. Love grows. The difference between western culture and other more conservative cultures is that people is the west needs to be in love first then they figure out about other requirements before committing to marriage. In other cultures they try to match most of their requirements in a partner, get married and try to make marriage in to a love relationship.
there are many red flags when it comes to love is blind Habibi but Mohammed thinking Safaa looks like his childhood crush is not one of them. let le remind you that he proposed and declared his love to her well before seeing her. and he wasn't even doubting his choice. So liking her appearance is a huge plus and a "meant to be" weather you like it or not. coincidence isn't a thing.
Your scrutiny of Mohammad and Safa was wild ngl. You are overanalyzing everything bro like being funnily possessive or complimenting someone is not a bad thing what you on about sis Too much opinions out in the public. Keep your relationships rational, and private without the judgement of people on the internet,ladies
Chafiq is someone I would stay away from. Very immature, aggressive, manipulative, judgmental, self centred. Has a looooot of growing to do. I am sorry for Dounia for still being so inexperienced and not being able to see that through
First of all, the scene when Nour was supporting Karma gave me goosebumps. Women should learn to do that more often. Secondly, I was watching the show with my husband, and we happen to be Tunisians just like Karma, when Ammar was convincing her that no " middle Eastern man would approve of her dancing" and he was yelling, " get lost we are not middle easterns" 😅 it was funny seeing him cheering for Karma even though he hates the show.
The audacity to think they are “leaders”
The problem with Ammar is, why choose a woman who tells you she loves to dance and isn't too concerned about having kids when you want your wife to not dance and it's important to you to have kids.... choose a woman whose values align with yours.
Yes, it’s hard to remember what he even liked about Karma in the first place…?
He wanted to possess her and/or no one else was interested. My other take is she is his pixie dream girl…he likes the idea and artist nature of her but not the actually person.
Maybe jhe wanted four women - we don't know how well off he is as a dentist ahahahahaahah 😂
Because he doesn't want love and commitment with someone who shares his alleged values... hence the double standards... he wants to destroy and control an independent happy creative woman
How did you even get there? Seriously, how why you don’t even know anything about who you are talking too. Geez
I love your thoughts because it boils my blood when people praise Chafic and dunia
@@mraheem9214jealous of what honey? Lmaooooo
@ lol yup, typical for your backwards society. You realize when it goes for just women it becomes problematic. Stop making your people look worse than they already do.
@@saram217 calling someone 🐍 is part of your Arab culture I guess
People who support them are really blind lol I just feel a little bad for Dunya because I feel she's getting manipulated by Chafic, who is her first man, but if she chose to stay with after watching the show that's her problem
EXACTLYYYYYYYY, but I don't feel bad for that stupid french woman lmao @@itachiwife8670
I am a 60 year old woman who watched the show in Ireland. I had many similar concerns to yours but the dynamic between Ammar and Karma was particularly upsetting to me. Having listened to you break down what was behind his behaviour towards her makes it even more upsetting but so good to hear and understand. I was horrified by his expectations of her which he expressed so nonchanantly as if it were a given that she would immediately say 'Yes darling'. I have watched the show in other countries and there are always a few loose cannons both male and female but all the men in this were really hard to take. I couldn't imagine any woman wanting to be with any of them.
I couldn't see any real men being with any of them. It's why only one couple got married. It was the women who ruined it. This women will probably stay single into their 40s.
It's Dubai... there are a lot of fake people there, and they knew what they were doing when they casted them
babe i'm middle eastern and when i saw the reunion ESPECIALLY the part with ammar and karma i was so angry and sad.I hate this ammar guy so much and when i say ammar i dont just talk about this guy but all the ammar guys that think the sme thing about women.and when i open tiktok and see girls drooling over him it saddens me so much.Also karma is right there is no "norme" in the middle east in which men have to be the fkg leader and protector or whatever . Honestly men like ammar are the reason why i trust so much in the 4b mvmt
Ughhh exactly, I stopped watching after 2 eps I couldn't watch him anymore, how much he was love bombing karma and trying to control her even in the beginning before they saw eachother with his fake jealously/sternness. He even said he's looking for a stay at home wife that'll ask him permission before doing anything!! Did ppl just ignore that? He definitely chose karma because she's driven, strong and he saw her individuality and wanted to be the one to squash it, like some stupid power play, hate people like this. Happy to see that she Walks. Away. 👏
@genekay5940 she's not all that. Ammar could do alot better.
@@Pirelli24ammar's ghost account
Typical men, right ladies? Being overly emotional and reactive. They need to calm down and smile 🙃
The bottom line is that he Ammar said himself that he is supposed to always get his way. If he doesn't like something, whatever he wants, she isn't to object. She's just supposed to say okay. His feelings come before hers, ALWAYS. That's not a partner you care for. That's just a servant.
The lighting in your video is beautiful! Great setup!
If a man that lets me express myself isn't a real man, ok then, I don't want a real man. I'll happily take an "unreal" man if he makes me happy and I make him happy.
Girl your commentary is genius and so spot on
My god, I can't with this man's bullshit. "And then we can discuss it afterwards" AMMAR, you already said you can't accept it and that you expect to always have your way! What is there to discuss?!
Karma preach girl !!! Women and men are equal ❤🎉
When I was watching this show, I couldn't help thinking that the culture many of these cast members grew up in creates a bunch of the most insecure people with most fragile egos. That if "your" woman or man even looks at someone else, it makes you lose your sh*t. But it can't be a generalisation for the whole Middle East, because some women were so confident and emancipated. Let's hope it gets better.
Another thing I noticed is that most of these men are dangerous predators. Like when Ammar said about a look that can hurt more than words or touch and everybody agreed. That's because THEY themselves are the same way. They would see a woman dancing, and they would lust all over her. They are projecting their own behaviour on other men and want women to take responsibility. And I wish they would only "look" at other women, but I don't believe that. Ammar gives me creeps.
No you got it wrong cuz in Middle East most women who are dancers are sluts and a man can easily pays one to sleep with, it’s like a stereotype that’s why he wouldn’t like any man to see his wife as a slut and believe me no middle Eastern man would support that 🤷🏽♀️
Yesssss I applaud you for calling out Ammar's (and all the other guys') BS!!!👏👏👏 I 100% agree on everything you said and all of it needed to be said! Thank you! I love your passion on this topic, the absolutely disgusting behavior from the guys should not be normalized under any circumstances. Love love love this commentary!
@39:41 I absolutely gagged. I'm staying mad! They think this thinking is justified? What fcking planet are they on, "It's hard to listen to No even from the woman I love." Come on. Sounds a lot like "I will not be denied." Childish
I did not enjoy this show at all and I skipped most of the episode but I love RUclips videos about it especially the reunion. Arab society and broadly patriarchal societies have a lot of double standards and this show showcased all those aspects in my opinion. I watched and liked other love is blind shows to some extend but there is a very special mix of toxic behaviour in this particular one. Maybe they intentionally chose the most toxic people to create drama who knows.
Oh my God, I was such a Dunya and my first love was Chafic. He was just more elegant in manipulating and gasliting me, but the purpose was the same. To make me insecure and craving of his atention. You can become miss universe or balerina ir the most sexy and seductive or most inteligent, it will never be good enough. Schizophrenic relationship.
He stole her chance to choose a man
I'm a semi-professional bellydancer from what would be considered a Western country and let me tell you something about the hypocricy of "oriental" cultures which are the origins of this beautiful art form. They explicitly forbid and have problems with Arab women taking part in dancing but for the Western women it is fully allowed and Egypt is full of clubs and restaurants which are hosting foreign dancers. These clubs are always full to the brim and most so, not exclusively with tourists but locals and natives as well. The hipocricy is real.
Also every dance is in some way "sexy" because it emphasises and uses the natural softness and limbness of a woman. If you have a problem with dance - you have a problem with women and their nature. I saaaid what i said.
If you have a problem with women dancing, you have a problem with women and their nature!!!! YES! Spot on
I'm in a process of reading a book called "Why does he do that", which is about abusive men. What they say in the book, is basically that the biggest part of what makes a man abusive or controlling is his male role models he saw when he grew up and yep the culture around him. So, unfortunately, when those men from the show say it's a cultural thing, they might be actually correct. I'm not saying it justifies anything, just wanted to point out this fact. And, by the way, the book is fascinating and horrifying at the same time, you should check it out.
Mothers (and fathers) of all cultures, teach your boys better, it will serve us all well
Chafiq also did a podcast with his girl and said he talked to more than a 1000 girl before the show (his words)
He said that to belittle Nour, like ”she's nothing to me”... but he just made himself look like an easy playboy guy. And it's even worse if he remembers nour at first glance when she's supposed to be one of the thousand girls he talked with lol
You slayed every comment! You are a good person for many women to listen!
I was waiting for this babe
@ Alhamdulilah my life is beautiful as I’m being taken care of 💅🏾🌸✨
Okay, I caught that too. He’s testing Dounia. Her interactions with men and to be honest I thought he wanted to trigger her after laying down the law on what was expected of her with her and other men. He was going to see how far he could push her boundaries and then belittled her for having those emotions. Like I can be jealous but you cannot
For myself I looked into being on LIB bc it seemed like fun. I had no expectations I’d find love or make it out of the pods, at most I’d appear in the background or something. It just seemed like a fun experience to have, then all the stuff came out about how cast was mistreated and I was like maybe this wouldn’t be fun at all! I’m not saying pple who go on aren’t going on for clout, but it could also be they just wanted the experience. So when Mohammed said he had no expectations of finding love I was like I see you man. 🤝🏽
Theoricaly, it could be a fun experience, but the editing would be too scary
I hope Dounia runs as fast as she can
@ calm down, princess hahah
@@mraheem9214why are you so pressed?
@@saram217 darling as you can clearly see the person I indicated my comments fled and deleted his own so why are you so bothered? Doesn’t concern you. And as far as I know they released the show internationally not only for Arabs. And you shouldn’t be bothered about my personal life, my personal life is not on a reality dating TV show babe
@@saram217 what gave you the confidence that I am not ?
@@saram217 maybe you are just illiterate
nour is a queen!!
I am Proud of Karma
Can´t wait for your the substance video!!!
Is it a blanket? Is it a hoodie? Is it a half worn snuggie? What on earth is your arm warming accessory girl it looks cozy as heck!
Shrug
I think there is a little cultural context about the shyness part ... In Arab culture it has another side to it that is more about being pure and innocent and inexperienced 😅
Still a bit problematic but in a different way 😂
Watch Nour get the best man in her life❤️
I did a lil happy dance when I saw a new video from you 🎉 let’s all enjoy some fresh tea 🫖
You danced? Ammar is fuming 😂
I understand your point of view on Safa and Mohamed’s relationship but I think you didn’t understand their banta/humour. They are very cute together and they have their own vibe/humour etc but I do agree that they should work on a couple things that you mentioned. Even though Mohamed isn’t an asshole like some of the guys he still has internalised misogyny he needs to work on.
Ammar is saying the men cant control themselves, that grape happens and its womens fault for being "alluring". When it actually happens no matter how we are dressed, act and by people we know well
Tunisia is not in the middle east. It is part of Arab culture though.
Arab men in most of the case think that way like Ammar and Muhammad. Just their way is different. In the middle east even non Arabs suffer from Islamic rules if the country ruled by that like Iran which is Not Arabic country, they have persian culture so majority of women are highly educated and play important roles in society but yet they are treated by radical rules if they pass courts for some reason like divorce or heritage. This lunched the motives for Woman-life- freedom movement.
I believe this is more significant in Arabic countries where the government rules are more on side of women but their society hold them back like Ammar.
don’t talk about things you know nothing about! please, respectfully 🙏
@ramonaengels9277 I know the culture first handed.
@@anonymouss5825 I know a con when I see it. You are one of those iranian communists max! Please don’t drag your biased baggage onto the enitre middle east and fix your proplems in Iran. respectfully
@@anonymouss5825 please don’t bring your anti-iran baggage into this and make generall and biased comments about the middle east and the arab region!
@@ramonaengels9277chill and take your pills regularly lol ...
I diagree with the comment about shyness. Being shy to the person you are romantically interested in is a very alluring thing in a lot of cultures. I feel a lot of your issues are because of the misinterpretion of the culture.
Amar and Karma... Don't get me started. He was a possessive, double standard, manic I ever seen. Wow!
It would be interesting to hear what you think of the different couples on 90 day fiánce like Adnan and Tigerlily, Sarper and Shekinah or Niles and Matilda 😊
Khatab is a DJ, who says he loves his job. His diplomacy comment! The hypocrisy 😡
I don’t want to shook you, but Amar is actually open minded for Middle East over all, I don’t want you to know what a typical middle eastern men are truly are (With exceptions of course
Wtf
@@fatlumekrasniqi5927 yes if you see Arabic comments many of them (not all) can’t understand how she chose dancing over a very respectful man and also they think that he is very polite and open minded and what he asked is what any man would be asking for. His request and being first in the relationship is very mild in comparison to what most traditional men would ask for
Lol. So no true. Every middle eastern men I know would say that ammar is absolutely problematic
@@0ocheesecakeo0 just because every Arabic person say it, it doesn’t make it right
@@fatlumekrasniqi5927I don’t agree with it at all, but it is the sad reality
I loved thé vidéo. Thé only thing that s left out is that they are muslims and middle eastern so a lot of things are Just qctually rooted in the culture doesn t make it right. some of it is actually religious which is a choice. Some of the things are very toxic. Some of them are Just how every one grew up there not really a personal thing.
Love your analysis! You need to be a therapist!
I agree with a lot of things but I thinks it's too jugmental to judge about other people's love, preferences. A relationship, marriage takes effort. Love grows. The difference between western culture and other more conservative cultures is that people is the west needs to be in love first then they figure out about other requirements before committing to marriage. In other cultures they try to match most of their requirements in a partner, get married and try to make marriage in to a love relationship.
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thanks. great podcast ... wellcome to the muslim culture !!!!
not really. In muslim culture ammar could not attend such a show and especially without a shirt on.
Queen NOOOOUUUURRR
Choufiq and Dounia shame on you
there are many red flags when it comes to love is blind Habibi but Mohammed thinking Safaa looks like his childhood crush is not one of them. let le remind you that he proposed and declared his love to her well before seeing her. and he wasn't even doubting his choice. So liking her appearance is a huge plus and a "meant to be" weather you like it or not. coincidence isn't a thing.
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Your scrutiny of Mohammad and Safa was wild ngl. You are overanalyzing everything bro like being funnily possessive or complimenting someone is not a bad thing what you on about sis
Too much opinions out in the public. Keep your relationships rational, and private without the judgement of people on the internet,ladies
Don’t compare our culture to urs . Ours women are appreciate and urs are not so don’t
You have any idea of what arab culture its is
Please do.t go trough this a lot
Yoi cant judge something you dont know
I've never been this early and it's not even SATC commentary that I usually watch but I feel like cleansing my pallet right now 🎈