@@peopleofonefire9643 Anytime. I live in Augusta, GA and actually just got back from Clarks Hill Lake. You’ve really lit a fire (pun intended) into searching for Native American artifacts. It is really becoming a passion of mine. I just wish I didn’t wait until my mid-40’s to receive this calling. That being said, I can’t wait to read your books. Take care and I hope you have a great week!
Thank you Sir. When I was a young man I read DeSoto's Journals and William Bartram Journals. I lived on the Flint River in Upson county Ga. I was an avid hunter of arrowheads And thought that reading these journals would give me some insight into the Native American Indians. I am 63 year old and this video was a real eye opener. I have visited Etowah and Ocmulgee many times. Thank you for your service to the Community.
@@peopleofonefire9643 I was fishing at approximately [ 32°44'09"N 84°15'47"W On google earth ] below swift creek and I found broken pottery that lined the banks and sandbars that was in abundance. There was thousands of pieces. I began to inquire about this and from my knowledge The was a Green Corn Ceremony that happen in the summer. When Harvey Green took over the land and cleared it. They picked up all the pottery and stone tools and threw them in the river. It was a sad day that all these artifacts had been destroyed. Know this was when I was about 25 years old. I live in Missouri now and I think about this from time to time. Just thought I would pass this information along as very few people know about this site. Thank you and may you quest for the truth prevail.
@@peopleofonefire9643 Good morning Sir, Thought I would give some info about a site that I became aware of when I was in my 30's. I was fishing on the flint and discovered a site . As i was fishing I came to A spot with a sandbar and high banks .I began to find pottery in great amounts. Of course it was broken. after I got home I began to make some inquires What I learned was there was a Green Corn Ceremony that took place every summer. When the land was cleared for farming the pottery was carried to the river and tossed in. I was heartbroken that these relics had been discarded in such a way. The last time I visited it was 2016 and it was still there all along the river banks. I have never told anyone of what I discovered and this is the first time I have talked about it. I hope you have a safe journey on what I believe in revealing the truth.
Great video! But I have a few questions: 1- did Moundville and Jackson Lake have similar tinkering done to their mounds like Etowah did? 2- I know other Mississippians like those in spiro had wooden helmets and Chest plates. How common was this type of armor around Etowah? 3- I've heard that Etowah and Moundville were great enemies that fought constantly. I've heard that a Moundville sacking of Etowah was the reason it was abandoned in 1375. Is there any basis to this.? 4-How many people lived within the walls during the 1375 peak compared to post-depopulation and then later repopulation in the 1400-1500s 5- Why did we skip from Etowah 2 to 4? where's 3?
By tinkering to you mean "amateur artifact hunters?" My guess is "probably yes." However, I don't know that for a fact. There is no evidence of a war between Cahokia and Etula (Etowah Mounds) It is somebody's fairytale because Cahokia's population was plummeting when the second occupation began . Cahokia was completely abandoned by 1350 AD. The third occupation did not differ much from the second occupation, except that construction stopped on Mound A and some noble's houses elsewhere had low mounds underneath them.
@@peopleofonefire9643 I wasn't talking about war between Cahokia and Etowah but Moundville in Alabama. A Gorget was found in Etowah of a Birdman stabbing a moth: which seemed to be an important symbol in Moundville, which suggest conflict. This also doesn't relate to the previous questions, but i would like to know what happened to the helmet crest? were they just thrown away?
Moundville began declining around 1300 AD and by 1350 many mounds were abandoned. The second abandonment of Etowah coincides with the founding of the capital of Kaushe (Coosa) on the Coosawattee River. The timing of the abandonment of Etowah coincides when the Bubonic Plague hit Iceland and Greenland. I am inclined to think that Scandinavian refugees or traders took the Plague to the Americas.
@@peopleofonefire9643 so the timeline goes like this: 1370s: Etowah is at its height ~1375: Etowah is suddenly abandoned for some reason, either plague or something else 1380-1400s: Etowah is slowly repopulated by Coosa 1400s-1540s- Etowah is fully settled again and is an autonomous chiefdom under the Coosa paramountcy/kingdom 1540s-1600s: De Soto happens, everything kinda goes to hell, Etowah enters final decline and abandonment
@@thederpylizard3526 There was a fourth occupancy, which may have been a development of the third occupancy that lasted until the early 1700s. The professors who guided the remodeling of Etowah Museum "erased" that phase, but you can still see the footprints of its buildings on the plaza of Mound A.
It's very high quality copper too. Apparently, this special type of copper is associated with gold deposits, because gold was mined in Clay County, AL in the past.
46:50 The diorama of the statues being dumped into a shallow grave was still there this morning (sat july 30 2022) but there was no text on that whole display, nothing to explain the scene. It was all confusing. A weird interpretive gap at the museum, regarding the most impressive artifacts there. And the 2 guys working there today were friendly and seemed cool and answered direct questions. (I asked where the marble was quarried. Answer: Around Jasper, about 40 miles upstream.) But they didn't seem to want to talk about the marble statue diorama. They didn't volunteer any info. Thanks for helping me understand why the vibe around the exhibit felt so weird. Almost as if the institution knows the story laid out there is bullshit but they're not sure of the right way to tell it
Their response to me showing the staff the actual archaeological report on Etowah Mounds was to take down the sign. However, Southeastern archaeologists continue to describe the fake history of Etowah as fact. Did you notice that the film they show visitors implies that the Cherokees also occupied Etowah, when in fact, the Cherokees never lived there and did not arrive in the Cartersville Area until 1795, when the land was secretly given to them by the US Government. You do realize that the archaeological report was handed to me by Dr. Kelly in the lobby of the museum, which you visited and that one of my favorite professors at Georgia Tech designed the museum? i guess, one could consider me a link between the past and the present. I will have to stay healthy! LOL
@@peopleofonefire9643 Yes, you had better stay healthy! This is an awesome video and your voice needs to keep sounding. So, what happened in 1795, exactly? Do you have a source you can steer me towards? I was under the impression that after the Red Sticks sided with the British and then got beaten by Jackson et al at Horseshoe Bend, then that's when the Cherokees moved in on the Coosa River territory. I'm really just learning about this history
10:50 I would like to know if this type of wear was seen in earlier woodland peoples. Would the chiefs, warriors, and civilians of let say Kolomoki and crystal river look not that much differently than those of Etowah or Ocmulgee? If not, What were the big differences?
I don't think that anybody knows what they looked like. The acid soil and high humidity of the Southeast generally dissolves vegetative fibers within a few years. There are very few artistic portrayal of people in the Woodland Period.
No, they would not have looked like hunter-gatherers. Woven fabrics and fish nets were found in the peat of Windover Pond in Florida and dated to be 6-8,000 years old.,@@thederpylizard3526
In 1794, the Federal government signed a peace treaty with the Cherokee Nation in which the Cherokees ceded most of their land in Tennessee and almost all their land in North Carolina. In return, they were given the Creek's and Chickasaw's lands in NW Georgia and NE Alabama. Neither the Creeks nor the Chickasaws were particularly happy about this, but large numbers of Cherokees had settled in extreme NW Georgia and NE Alabama after the American Revolution, so there was no much Creek leaders could do, except demand large sections of Alabama . . . which they did receive. Those additional lands were taken away from the Creeks in 1814. Missionary Elias Cornelius arrived in what is now Cartersville in 1818. He was told that Cherokees did not move farther south to the vicinity of Etowah Mounds until 1795 and that they never lived in or near the mounds, because they thought the place was haunted.
I had a question. Was the town at Etowah engaged in mineral extraction from the area nearby? Specifically where they mining different minerals from the hills near the river? I was told by someone at the archaeological site that the people who lived here we’re engaged in the extraction and processing of a mineral called Ochre, which was yellow, Brown, and red. I noticed that there is still a company in the area that continues to mine occur commercially. If it’s true, and the people who lived there did that then it would really help me a lot to know this is true because I have found a lost village in South Carolina that is similar in some respects. At this lost Village location I have found evidence of red and yellow ocher extraction. I cannot get the archaeologists to help me at all because they do not have a vested interest in this. In fact, I think they are trying to shut me up. Richard, if you read this, please contact me I need help.
I have read archaeological reports that major export products from Etula (Etowah) were paint pigments such as red and yellow ocher, aluminum oxide, barium oxide and manganese oxide. Not having a time machine, I have no way on knowing to what extent those speculations are true.
@@peopleofonefire9643 understood. We had a time machine we could answer a lot of questions that have been obscured over the years by fiction and contrivance. I can tell you for a fact that there is ocher in the area in the hills surrounding the Etowah river valley. I went down to Cooper’s furnace and saw the smelting furnace there. I also saw the oxide coming out of the rocks and the cliff faces around the area. I got permission and took some samples of ocher from one of the mining slag pile sites to bring back to South Carolina to compare with what I have found, and with a little bit of a difference in texture and color variation, it is a match. I have found a place that might have connections to the site at Etowah. Still working on identifying the pieces of pottery. It’s located on a River in South Carolina. Without divulging too many details, this place does not exist according to the archaeologists that have done work in the area. According to the travels and the map of Juan Pardo, it does. All of the lost villages, except for two have been tentatively identified. I think this is one of the last two. The lack of cooperation of academics and officials is baffling. So I’m on my own documenting it now. I’ve had to get help from knowledgeable persons outside the state who have had exposure to this type of cultural site.
@@peopleofonefire9643 do you know where I would be able to get a copy of any of those reports? The more reports I read about the other locations around the one I found the more information I’m getting and I am starting to form a much more interesting picture of the area. By the way, pottery found on site dates to the middle Mississippian.
@@Cnice93 , I kind of figured that with some of the areas nearby, such as red top mountain. It’s pretty much a giveaway. Ocher is not necessarily rare to find, because it’s actually located all over areas that have ancient clay deposits. What is more unusual is to find an ocher deposit that showed evidence of being excavated and finding stone tools still there. Out west they find these things but here in the southeast if it’s ever been found, I’ve never seen it reported anywhere publicly. It’s one of the more frustrating aspects of dealing with archaeology. They tend to keep things to themselves. I’m going to be nice and not say anything mean.
Osyio to really enjoy you videos , was wandering if you have any info on Cherokee like the island we say we originate from would make since if it was tetowacan
That is a tradition from the Algonquian and Iroquoian peoples of the Northeast and Southeastern Canada, so it makes sense that at least some Cherokee bands would have picked it up. You have to be careful about most of the "Cherokee" legends floating around these days. Most of them date from the late 20th and early 21st century. I have a photocopy of the original manuscript of "The Early History of the Cherokee People (1826) by Cherokee Principal Chief Charles Hicks. In his opening chapter, he stated that the reason that he wrote the book was that most of the Cherokee People could remember no farther back than about 10-20 years. They did not have a record keeping system like the Creeks. Hicks was a very learned man and had one of the largest personal libraries in the United States at that time. His history differs starkly with what contemporary Cherokees are telling people. He placed the Cherokees in southern Canada and West Virginia until around the time Charleston was settled. French maps show the Cherokee living along the St. Lawrence River until 1650. They are next shown as vassals of the Tiononteca in West Virginia. The Tiononteca were from Mexico, so it makes sense that the Cherokees might have picked up some of their legends. That is about all I can tell you.
Thank you so much story I heard was simplified they said we went so far north the corn wouldn't grow then came back down and followed the sun . I have watched probably all your videos great content keep making videos I really enjoy them from Oklahoma wado friend
@@justinshultz9245 You need to walk all the grounds of the town to really get the feeling of the place, especially along the river. Keep in mind that over half of the original town from 1000 AD to 1200 AD is on the south side of the Etowah River and not within the state's park boundaries.
@@justinshultz9245 Justin, I really have not done much reading on the Redstick Creek War. My Creek ancestors cut their ties with Creek Confederacy when it gave away its most sacred shrine, Yamacutah, in NE Georgia in 1784. My ggg-grandfather was in the Creek Regular Army regiment, which fought the British on the coast of Georgia during the War of 1812. They wanted nothing to do with either side in the Redstick War - Creek Brother killing Creek Brother.
You are doing some of the most important work for the history and legacy of the southeast of North America. Glad to have found you. Blessings on your path 🤝
Yes, the stone ruins on the Devil's Backbone near Charlestown, Indiana were pure Peruvian in design. Moche style pottery has been been found in the alluvial soil between the precipice and the bank of the Ohio.
Thank you for this. It helped a lot putting some of the pieces together here. I believe some of the towns and villages that were dotted here and there further south landed here in Laurens County. There is a village near Dublin that was excavated that predates their "theories" as to when native Americans lived here. They've kept it very quiet. It bothers me greatly to know they have been hiding it. They have yet to publish it's discovery. There are two mounds near fish trap cut by the country club. We live just south/southwest of that location at the end of the Uchee trail. The info on the rivers helps too. Ty again. I've been trying to figure out why there seemed to be such drastic changes in the waterways. It's so difficult to get the true history...so much just...erased. It's frustrating. I'm figuring things out a bit but now I also understand why the artifacts are so different and seem to have had a sudden change at some point in history. I bet the Cherokee boast making bricks too don't they? I don't believe they did. I've found red pottery sherds here that are indicative of South American redware. I think some of the pottery, figures, and bricks here were created by those who lived here before them. The rich bright red clay and the blue that looks much like Maya blue found on many things here tells more of a story than has ever been told. I know now what I have to do. Seeing your videos of your research has helped greatly. I'll do what I can to preserve what I have and any others I find in the future.
Oh yes! Dublin, GA was always a major center of Native American culture. I am fairly certain that the large proto-Creek town there, was visited by Hernando de Soto. That blue colored clay turns into white ceramics, when it is fired. It is highly esteemed by potters. Both in southern Mexico and Georgia, the regular folks mainly made shell-tempered redware for their day to day kitchenware. Good to hear from you,
@@peopleofonefire9643 By the way, I believe you are exactly right about De Soto. I've found ship spikes and Spanish coins in our yard and field. The clay that turns white when fired must be what I keep finding here. It's everywhere...chalky though.
I am Richard Thornton. My RUclips channel is People of One Fire. I have several Creek friends, who are from Dubiln. Also, one of my Little Brothers at my fraternity at Georgia Tech was from Dublin. Some still live there. This is a public comment column, so I won't state their names.
Wow, thanks so much for this video. I think you just helped me solve a mystery about a place I have found. It explains the presence of evidence from different time periods on location. Its too bad no one will ever know, except me and a few others.
Hey Jim my name is wes have you ever compiled any information on cherokee we have origin stories of migrating South of America to america yet our brothers from the north say we have always been here but our elders say we had a priest class that were eating people and something about aa feathered dragon 🐉 just trying to find more info
I can explain that. The Cherokees were really an alliance of tribes like the Creeks. At least one tribe, maybe more, the Teononecatl were Chichimecas from northern Mexico - who definitely sacrificed and ate people. Be cautious of anyone claiming to pass on something as a Cherokee elder or brother. Most of that stuff is BS made up in the late 20th century. By 1764, after 50 years of constant war, multiple plagues and major population replacement with children and teens from other tribes, the Cherokees had completely forgotten their history and their original artistic heritage. There were no ceremonies for either weddings or funerals. Bodies were merely dumped into rivers. As is the case today, many Cherokee women back then were bisexual. It was common for women to have lifetime female partners, but live with a series of men throughout their lives. Some marriages lasted no longer than a month. This also had a major impact on cultural continuity. You can read about the real Cherokee History in Lt. Henry Timberlake's memoirs (1764) or in Cherokee Principal Chief Charle Hicks book, The History of the Cherokee People. (1826).
Well, I'm here in 2022, watching this at 3am in Brisbane Australia.. after checking out the local aboriginal history of the Moreton Islands here in brissy, mate, I'm not sure how I wound up on your video... but it was just fantastic!! All round. You presented the whole thing start to finish so comprehensively.. your cultural background helps to explain and interestingly overwrite, quite simply at some points. Long standing theory. Your professionalism, especially with the crafting of the scene.. the river water and canoes!! That was hands down worth the watch. Thoroughly enjoyed the learning. And your production was fascinating even to a foreigner from the way deep DEEP south. Ha. Brilliant.
Striker Vaan Kelly, you just became m Public Relation rep! I don't consider Aussies as being foreigners. We're first cousins. After working in Sweden, I backpacked all over Europe. I generally traveled with Aussies, New Zealanders and Canadians, because I more in common with them than I did the Yankees. Check out the People of One Fire video on the Nacoochee Mound. You will get a better feeling of where I live - actually I live on the crest of a heavily forested mountain.
@@peopleofonefire9643 Maori, Irish living in Australia. So g'day cuzzy! Kiaora koutou. I'm definately checking out Narcoochee. Here in the Moreton Islands in Qld. We have a coochiemudlo island. Our Aboriginals are the Quandamooka and Minjerriba Peoples. Although I'm a kiwi, I live and work here in Oz so I stick to thier laws n always respect the traditional owners, custodians of the lands. I study and research the true histories as you would understand. They differ greatly to what is recorded. Sometimes the best ambassadors for recognition, healing and unity for the first nations peoples are within the mindsets of the ancestors of the same settlers that came and impacted the original bloodlines and history. To be aware, educated and respectful firstly, good place to start. I'm glad it brought me to your video. New subscriber..
@@essveekaye Guess what Stryker? My family is part Maori Polynesian. We are also part Maya. Evidently some branch of the Maori settled on the coast of the State of Georgia instead of going to New Zealand, and became one of the Indian tribes. We also have proof that during the Bronze Age, people came here from SW Ireland and settled in some river valleys in the mountains. Other valleys were occupied by colonists from southern Sweden. The rock carvings of the Bronze Age Irish and Bronze Age Swedish were a little different. This video will explain the geography and geology and also show you some of the stone ruins. The attraction for all these peoples was the gold. The Georgia Mountains contain the purest gold in the world. Here is the URL of the video: ruclips.net/video/XRV8ikiSJ4I/видео.html
@@peopleofonefire9643 no wonder I just clicked with your channel. !! RUclips is an amazing place and just look how small our wonderful world can be hey.
@@peopleofonefire9643 my mother travelled to China, Mongolia, inner areas around 96, 97... she came back and told me the Mongolian tour guide could've passed for her twin brother, his English was great but he also spoke fluent Maori?!? ... he said in Maori he was stoked to have her on the tour because he had something to show her. Somewhere up there in the mountains they had an ancient stone building that as they got close up to resembled astonishingly a Maori Whare, the meeting house had been there forever n the story to the locals was that a few 9 ft maoris turned up outta nowhere one day n never left.... they handed the language n some te whakaairo carving skills. The building was thier house. U know Richard I never really believed her because... inner Mongolia!!!! Okaaaaay. Until now.
My Uncle, that lived in Savannah, Ga. did drawings here for an Archeologist with the last name of Waring long before my birth. Some of the Artifacts that were found on Sacred Land. My Uncle Paul. He was an Artist. He sketched artifacts found. My father's deceased brother. Much respect.. 🙏🕊 Thank you for sharing Richard. My father Climbed the Pyramids of the Moon and Sun in Mexico. I was at the Ruins in Tulum. Love learning about this.
That archaeologist was Antonio Waring. I have climbed the Pyramid of the Sun several times. I climbed the pyramid of the Moon once. You need to see my videos on the fellowship I had in Mexico. I visited all of the major archaeological sites in Mexico, plus dozens that few people have hear of. Here is the URL for the first of five videos that I did on Teotihuacan - ruclips.net/video/DqA2izfpdMw/видео.html I climbed the 10,000 feet high mountain ABOVE Teotihuacan and looked down on the ancient city.
That's pretty much true. Mound-building actually began much earlier in the Southeastern United States than even in Mexico. Georgia's oldest known mound was constructed around 3545 BC. The oldest known pottery in North America is also found in Georgia - at least 2500 BC. Southern Mexico did not have either mounds or pottery until around 1000 BC.
@@peopleofonefire9643 absolutely astounding! This was never taught in school! Thanks for posting this hidden history.., I’ve subscribed to your channel 👌🏾
@@UnDisclozed I was never taught that in college either. When I was on my fellowship in Mexico, everyone assumed that the mounds in Mexico were older. "Everyone" had a big surprise when the results of radiocarbon dating came back. That is why I am producing these videos. There is factual information out there on the Southeastern Native Americans, but it does not seem to get in the tourist brochures and state history books.
For unknown reasons, the voice track of the video is now stopping when we get to the point, where I discuss the deletions made in Wikipedia articles on North Georgia counties in 2012. Just use your mouse to move to the next frame and the voice track continues. Sorry about that folks! This video is under RUclips's stewardship now.
People of One Fire hello my name is scott and I’m contacting you about your incredible Discovery’s at Etula. Especially your insight to the original town extending far beyond the false conclusion drawn by less than professional archaeology. And I say that with a smile lol. I have done grading all my adult life. Starting when I was 16 and working my way up from ground man to site Forman!. I’m by no means a trained archaeologists. But what I have is a lifetime of site development. I know my soil and rock formations by heart.in sort after watching your video, I pulled old deeds and topographical maps of the location and what surveys of the land in and around Etula. To my astonishment there they where just has you said. The other earth mounds. Or I should say their footprints!. See has you are aware I’m sure that amount of soil placed in a relative small area. Leaves a footprint even if the structure is removed!. That tremendous amount of weight baring down on the landscape all those year’s leaves a impression!. Just has you stated “ south of the river “. It’s there for anyone with a train eye to see!. I’m very familiar with the different types of soil conditions that exist here in northwest Georgia. Having lived and worked in this area for 30 years!. I don’t live far from cartersville,ga. If I can help in anyway please feel free to contact me.
@@flatbedhaulingwithscottn6111 Scott, what is most important for the people in the Cartersville area to do is keep Etowah Mounds open to the public. The state is again thinking about shutting down all the Native American historic sites to save money. The state never did fully reopen New Echota. The problem is that the politicians do not seem to appreciate the protection and honoring of Georgia rich heritage like the public does. People like you will have to speak up in advance about how import a place Etowah is. I have old archaeological books which describe the archaeologists digging in the mounds, south of the river, but the current generation of archaeologists seemed to have forgotten them.
@@peopleofonefire9643 have you heard of Judaculla Rock in Jackson County NC? It’s like 35 mins from me I’ve been there few times. Said to be oldest petroglyph in North America, an old webpage (circa 2004) showed there were other petroglyphs around western NC. Never heard of the ones in Georgia you showed tho.
@@chowderwhillis9448 Yes, I am familiar with Judaculla. It is the Cherokee mispronunciation of the Creek words Sjuda Kura, which mean "sky above the province of Kura. It is not the oldest petroglyphic rock in North America by a long shot. There are many, many more petroglyphs in North Georgia than in North Carolna. I lived in the Asheville area for 10 years. I am very familiar how the locals there tend to exaggerate things and not be aware of cultural attractions just beyond the state line.
Extremely well done video. I’ve been in north ga most of my life. I plan on checking these mounds out this week. Wanted to get an idea of what I was looking at before going and this video was perfect. Thanks for the proper education on this!!
Oh my goodness! Back in 2009 or so, I went to Etowah Mounds and so fell in love with the energy that I tried to find a job and move there! Now I know why! Can you tell us more about the fast-paced music and the wind/percussion instruments? As you already know, I recently had a vision calling me to continue the music of my ancestors, but I'm not a musician and not exactly sure how to proceed. . . .
I will do a video just on the musical instruments a little later in the year. I have a collection of hand-made indigenous musical instruments, which I can record.
Most of the statues have disappeared. Until the State of Georgia took control of its important archaeological sites, northeastern archaeologists would take all the "loot"', dug up back to their museums. Over time, the museums would give the artifacts to wealthy families, who had given money to the museums or to the universities, where the museums were located. Also, we are currently trying to get back huge family-owned collections that Robert Wauchope "borrowed" in the Nacoochee Valley during 1939.
Richard I have a sight for you to try to explain for me off the Etowah it’s on a conservative land. I live in dawsonville, I’ve always been told I’m mix creek and Cherokee but the way things are turning out I’m more creek than I thought. My whole Indian heritage is all over the coosa River valley. From Polly, Davis, Thompson, Williams, Ratliff, Ratleys, Pathkiller, Whitepath. My grandpa help co found the Whitepath golf course in Ellijay in memory of our family heritage.
Sure, tell me about it. I had to study the entire Etowah Basin prior to building the model for the Muscogee-Creek Nation. I have lived along four sections of the Etowah River.
It’s right across from my grandpas farm. My step mom told me it’s an Indian mound for satellite it looks to make a spear shape in lines with the the Etowah River. It’s for sale. I would like to learn more about it bc my Ratliff ratcliff family were merchants intermarriage with the Indians along the river and there are numerous ratcliff and ratcliff roads and conservations around the area. I really would love to learn more about my mvskogee heritage.
Would love to get a chance to talk to you. I’ve always tried to learn Cherokee heritage but the more I uncover the more I see why I’m not fully excepted by my Cherokee friends.
Could you get the latitude and longitude of this mound for me? I have also found spear shaped mounds on Cochran Creek in Dawson County and in NW Habersham County. @@justinhudgins9682
Alot of so called "Cherokee" from and around GA are 5 dollar indians , my ancestors didn't even go by these names. This is what paper genocide & the trail of tears leaves us with & it's sad .
Exactly,The indigenous seberians people are the perfect cast to play the native Americans who is there offspring.They chanting, hopping around,and colorful style of dressed is interesting and they lived in mound house also.But my machis creek ancestors of alabama were farmers,hunters and unfortunately turn sharecroppers they wasn't acting like serberians they were landowners and holticulturist.
@@leannhoward7306 Come on People everybody knows the native Americans today are the offspring of the indigenous serberian people.And seberian people are an interesting people.But so called african american share croppers of alabama were actually the aborigines american indians.My ancestors/ grandpa and aunt and Grannie us from Alabama of the machis creek indian tribe.And many of us are creek and cherokee people here in major cities.
Approx 20 yrs ago, during a development of land along the etowah river and a creek which ran into it in bartow co. a cache of artifacts were discovered. Remnants of a village. Us workers were ushered out as every department head and every subordinate who drove a bartow county vehicle swooped in like vultures. Very sad. Land rape. Theres a subdivision, road and bridge on top of the area. The articacts were looted by the county employees.
Yes, I was living in Cartersville at that time. I heard about it too. The archaeological site was in a national historic district, and the construction activity involved use of federal and state funds . . . which meant that by both state and federal law, Cartersville was required to file a Section 106 report, prepared by a professional archaeologist.
This is so crazy... I used to live with my dad at Broken Arrow mobile home park back in 1996-97. I remember when they excavated the base of the large mound.
EXCELLENT! MORE TRUTHFUL VIDEOS, PLEASE! THANK YOU, RICHARD THORNTON! Your views line up with my Grandfather's thoughts perfectly...he was a Cherokee / Creek Georgia Indigenous Aborigine born in the 1890's.
I hate to bother you again But do you habe or even know about the cave that lyes sw and on the other side of the river approx. 1mi away ? Its beside or just west of the school house in the top of a small hill . I've dropped in it a few years ago and had a terrifying experience . I would love to pick your brain ! Especially on Indian and the war of northern aggression ! Any info would be greatly appreciated . thank you again and GOD BLESS .
@@peopleofonefire9643 I've heard it goes toward the river . idk I just slid into the entrance ....let me explain right in the top of the hill beside the school it has a sink hole . looks kinda like a typical strata volcano . you know a cone shape with the crater in the top . looks just like that . me and a good friend slid into said cave intrance him before me when I got far enough in to see into the cave my buddy was approx. 8 to 10 feet from me . he stood up turned toward me and looked up at the ceiling hat was barely above his head . the ceiling looked kind off you know just didn't look like the ceilings in most caves . by the way I'm a vertical caver . anyhow he reaches up and just touched the ceiling with one finger and BOOM !!!! There was a section of rock 8 feet long 4 feet wide and 2 feet thick dropped between us . of course he did not need to tell me that he thought we should turn around and leave because I wasn't there . I was waiting on him outside . If you ever in the aeria you should check it out it's said that the local Indians used this cave I don't nesaceraly believe what I here but I found out later my cousin hunts arrowheads and he said a few years earlier he had gone into the cave and found approx. 25 - 30 complete heads just lying on the floor . quarts points look archaic pos mississippian . but that's just a guess on my part . But yea it's a room inside with several passages that are 2 and a half feet high that leed in 3 different directions . it was verry interesting felt like something special or spiritual maby spooky took place in there . I looked it up on Google earth you can see the hill and cave but not as good as I would like to show you but check it out I could be something ...or I could be just another hole in the ground . God BLESS
There are 2 sites in Yucatan identified as sources of the mineral palygorskite. I owe ya'll whether the mineral in paintings has been traced to those sites but sources do exist within the Mesoamerican variable limits. There is much controversy even for Turquoise from the Southwest US travellin' south to Central Mexico in large quantities.
Those are tiny deposits, which wouldn't even supply one large city. I am fairly certain they were mining mica and shipping it down the Chattahoochee. The Mayas used vast quantities of mica in their stucco, cosmetics and murals. The nearest deposit of mica in Mexico was on the west side of Pocatepetl volcano. The mountains east of Pocatepetl are extremely rugged. The next nearest deposits would be in Georgia along the Chattahoochee River, so the mica could be shipped by freight boat all the way to the coast of Yucatan and then up rivers as far as the mountains. I was very nervous about the attapulgite test because Scott only took a sample from one mine. Each mining zone in Georgia and the Florida Panhandle has a different signature. He just happened to luck out that he matched the stucco from one building with one mine.
I absolutely adore this. Roman myself, in the Georgian sense. You taught me so much I was eager to learn. "Pretty groovy,huh?" Super groovy! The whole thing is the grooviest.
People of One Fire The sound of a Georgian accent is the most sophisticated thing in the world to me. To be genuine, I can throw a rock and hit Major Ridges home but you taught me a history of my land I understood better than a good education and even extensive reading could. Because what you're teaching is not in any book I've ever read. It's just not out there and a lot of people want and need to know. Sophistication is beautiful. But the knowledge is so much more precious.
You are so kind. Richard Thornton is my name. I lived in Rome, while working on the plans for a two block downtown revitalization project at the intersection of Broad Street and Second Avenue. My rental house was on the hill just south of the old cemetery . . . overlooking the Etowah River and Downtown. Incredible view.
PS - Now the Rome cops . . . they were strange back then. They somehow decided that I was a federal agent spying on them . . . gave me a lot of trouble. LOL
People of One Fire Georgia is a Land of Love and I'll stick to that. But we have a "Good Ol' Boys" problem. Tanya Tucker once predicted the South would rise again ... With profound love. And show the entire nation how to forge communities. We will get there.
Loved it good job ! I live just south of the mounds and have even walked the aeria and found artifacts . you just explaind more in this short film . than I ever knew or ever heard of I love it ! I've lived here all my 51 years and have always studied the local history Do you know anything about the people's that lived on raccoon creek or pegamore creek ? I live in the burnt hickory aeria any information you have on North of Cartersville South to say Douglasville ? Thank you thumbs up ! God bless .
People started settling into permanent "garden" villages on the Etowah River around 400 BC or perhaps much earlier. Robert Wauchope found permanent villages with mounds that may date back to 1000 BC. Those village sites on Raccoon and Pegamore Creek evolved into satellite villages of Etowah, which in Itza Maya and Itzate Creek was called Etula . . . the principal town. Anywhere there was a large expanse of tillable land on the trail to Burnt Hickory and Douglasville, there would have been more satellite villages.
Hey Bud, this is Richard Thornton. I used the name of our organization, because there are zillions of Richard Thornton's on the web. I was the guy, who stumbled upon the Track Rock ruins. Have a blessed week.
@@peopleofonefire9643 have you heard of giants occupying the etawah sight ? Another channel has that BADFORMATION out . Thanks for your comments . God bless .
That was absolute malarkey, just to attract viewers. The Creek Indians averaged a foot taller than Europeans at the time of contact, but we are NOT supernatural giants.
My Great-Great Grandmother, My Great Grandmother and my Grandmother and Grandfather sat me down at age 13 and told me our Cherokee (Grandfather also told me of his Creek) history and ancestry. I was told not to tell anyone because Cherokee & Creek were regarded as trash by everyone in The South - even though many Southerners at that time shared the same ancestry. My Grandfather was a dead ringer for Geronimo .
Early spring of 1998 the state of Georgia closed public access to Stamp Creek where it enters Lake Allatoona about 13 miles to the north east of the Etowah Mounds off of Hwy 20. My family had been going there fishing and swimming since my father was a boy. We loved it because it was secluded even during the busiest times of the summer. After being told by several different people that it was closed to the public I stopped by one afternoon to find out why. Before getting close to the lake I was confronted and was told it would be at least a year before the public could use the Stamp Creek area. When I ask why they had closed the area I was told they had found a substantial village site that could be from 1000 AD to 1300 AD, do not ask any more questions. Don't come back for at least a year and anyone caught there would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The Stamp Creek location is only seventeen miles from my home I still haven't been back. I was a plumber by trade for close too twenty years. I got my Georgia State Masters Licences in 1996, I subcontracted work from other plumbing companies before and after receiving my masters licences besides contracting work for myself. While working in that area I got to talk to several people that had lived in Bartow county as well as Euharlee, Georgia since their births. Just about every old timer I talked to said there were more mounds in the Etowah town complex. Several said the smaller mounds were removed by the county and state for roadbed on several road projects around the area. Parts were removed for the richness of the soil. Some were desecrated, scattered about ground and plowed under just because they were built by the Native Americans.
The irony is, Christopher, that Georgia and Alabama have lost numerous, major Native town sites in the past three decades because the archeologists keep things so secret that they forgot about the mound sites themselves. Just in the past year I have watched in horror on satellite imagery as two mounds, one in Dawson County, the other on the Flint River in Crawford County, GA were destroyed by new property owners. Both had official State of Georgia site numbers and contained human burials. It was illegal to touch them, but as a budget-saving measure, most local and regional historic preservation planners have been laid off in both Alabama and Georgia. I don't know why the Dawson County guy did it. He didn't even live on the property. The Crawford County mounds were bulldozed because a limited liability partnership of wealthy Atlantans wanted to take advantage of tax shelters provided for those who grow corn to make ethanol alcohol for fuels.
Actually, what he said was when he was a kid that was true. I still see the stigma that southerners are somewhat inferior to Northerners, even today, though it may be so ingrained at this point you might not consciously recognize it.
I don’t think you were paying close enough attention to everything he said and also, are you aware that Richard is of Apalachee/creek Indian descent? If you are not, then you have not been paying attention. It is a known fact and unfortunate part of life that in the southern states, and in some of the western states, even now… That people who have darker colored skin or dark hair were treated with a mild form of scorn or contempt buy a lot of southerners. I’m a southerner, and I hate this part of my own history in the southern states, but it’s not the only part of the country where this happens to be true. I have encountered people from northern states coming into the southern states who treated me personally as if I was a backwards, inbred hillbilly that never took a bath and didn’t know much of anything. I’m not gonna say that all people from northern states behave like this because that would not be fair. But back in the 1970s when I was a kid it was true. some people are just ignorant. Richard was trying to make a point about something he personally experienced. I can I dignify with that because it has happened to me as well. The difference is I have blonde hair and blue eyes and I never had to deal with the racial issue. Just the social one.
Hello friend new sub here: We have some mounds not far from where I live in Arkansas called Toltec Mounds...Very interesting video so thank you for sharing...
Confederate soldiers were treated as criminals. They had to pledge allegiance to the Union before being allowed to return home or being a citizen again. They were denied war pensions so when you order the military file for a Confederate soldier, you will only get maybe a couple of pages. Whereas with Union soldiers you can get a ton of information. All of the southern states had to pay for the cost of the Civil War. Arkansas finally paid off their share of the debt in the 1960s.
The Southern states had to pay the pensions of Confederate soldiers. Did you know that a regiment of Ohio infantry stole all the artifacts from the homes around Etowah Mounds, while encamped there during and after the Battle of Atlanta? They also burned all the schools, colleges, barns, stores, mills and industrial buildings in Bartow County, (where Etowah is located) while encamped there. So actually there is a connection between Etowah Mounds and the Civil War.
Confederates were honorable but if I could go back in time and take some stuff with me like a howitzer machine guns,rocket launchers,hand grenades,........I'd help burn clear to New York and see how they like that shit yankees fought so dirty southern gents were never so dispicable
Dah loan ne gay . means yellow Do the Maya peoole or tribes there have stomp dance too? Amd what about stickball games? They dont play that down there either do they
there were about 138 "Maya" tribes and only one, in northeastern Yucantan, called themselves Maya. Yes, Stickball was played by the Itza Mayas, Tamatli and Totonacs, plus was the principal game at Teotihuacan. The Stomp Dance is done by many peoples from central Mexico to Peru. Remember the Creek Confederacy was formed from 28 tribal towns. Most had distinct origins in various parts of Mexico and the Americas. My Native American DNA is a mixture of southern Mesoamerican and Panoan from Peru. I have no DNA markers typical of North American Indians, except the Muskogeans.
Thank you for all of the wisdom packed videos regarding this topic Mr. Thornton.👍🏻
And thank you for the kind comment!
@@peopleofonefire9643 Anytime. I live in Augusta, GA and actually just got back from Clarks Hill Lake. You’ve really lit a fire (pun intended) into searching for Native American artifacts. It is really becoming a passion of mine. I just wish I didn’t wait until my mid-40’s to receive this calling. That being said, I can’t wait to read your books. Take care and I hope you have a great week!
Thank you Sir. When I was a young man I read DeSoto's Journals and William Bartram Journals. I lived on the Flint River in Upson county Ga. I was an avid hunter of arrowheads And thought that reading these journals would give me some insight into the Native American Indians. I am 63 year old and this video was a real eye opener. I have visited Etowah and Ocmulgee many times. Thank you for your service to the Community.
There is a Creek Community near you in a crater that the Flint River runs through. It is theoretically eligible for Federal recognition.
@@peopleofonefire9643 I was fishing at approximately [ 32°44'09"N 84°15'47"W On google earth ] below swift creek and I found broken pottery that lined the banks and sandbars that was in abundance. There was thousands of pieces. I began to inquire about this and from my knowledge The was a Green Corn Ceremony that happen in the summer. When Harvey Green took over the land and cleared it. They picked up all the pottery and stone tools and threw them in the river. It was a sad day that all these artifacts had been destroyed. Know this was when I was about 25 years old. I live in Missouri now and I think about this from time to time. Just thought I would pass this information along as very few people know about this site. Thank you and may you quest for the truth prevail.
@@peopleofonefire9643 Good morning Sir, Thought I would give some info about a site that I became aware of when I was in my 30's. I was fishing on the flint and discovered a site . As i was fishing I came to A spot with a sandbar and high banks .I began to find pottery in great amounts. Of course it was broken. after I got home I began to make some inquires What I learned was there was a Green Corn Ceremony that took place every summer. When the land was cleared for farming the pottery was carried to the river and tossed in. I was heartbroken that these relics had been discarded in such a way. The last time I visited it was 2016 and it was still there all along the river banks. I have never told anyone of what I discovered and this is the first time I have talked about it. I hope you have a safe journey on what I believe in revealing the truth.
I love your videos I live in Abbeville howdy naborgh. I ask our God to bless you.
Howdy neighbor back at you! 😃 Thank you for your prayer.
@@peopleofonefire9643 your welcome.
Dude thank you so much for this video
Thank you for uncovering the truth.
Wow. Thanks 🙏✌
Great video! But I have a few questions:
1- did Moundville and Jackson Lake have similar tinkering done to their mounds like Etowah did?
2- I know other Mississippians like those in spiro had wooden helmets and Chest plates. How common was this type of armor around Etowah?
3- I've heard that Etowah and Moundville were great enemies that fought constantly. I've heard that a Moundville sacking of Etowah was the reason it was abandoned in 1375. Is there any basis to this.?
4-How many people lived within the walls during the 1375 peak compared to post-depopulation and then later repopulation in the 1400-1500s
5- Why did we skip from Etowah 2 to 4? where's 3?
By tinkering to you mean "amateur artifact hunters?" My guess is "probably yes." However, I don't know that for a fact. There is no evidence of a war between Cahokia and Etula (Etowah Mounds) It is somebody's fairytale because Cahokia's population was plummeting when the second occupation began . Cahokia was completely abandoned by 1350 AD. The third occupation did not differ much from the second occupation, except that construction stopped on Mound A and some noble's houses elsewhere had low mounds underneath them.
@@peopleofonefire9643 I wasn't talking about war between Cahokia and Etowah but Moundville in Alabama. A Gorget was found in Etowah of a Birdman stabbing a moth: which seemed to be an important symbol in Moundville, which suggest conflict.
This also doesn't relate to the previous questions, but i would like to know what happened to the helmet crest? were they just thrown away?
Moundville began declining around 1300 AD and by 1350 many mounds were abandoned. The second abandonment of Etowah coincides with the founding of the capital of Kaushe (Coosa) on the Coosawattee River. The timing of the abandonment of Etowah coincides when the Bubonic Plague hit Iceland and Greenland. I am inclined to think that Scandinavian refugees or traders took the Plague to the Americas.
@@peopleofonefire9643 so the timeline goes like this:
1370s: Etowah is at its height
~1375: Etowah is suddenly abandoned for some reason, either plague or something else
1380-1400s: Etowah is slowly repopulated by Coosa
1400s-1540s- Etowah is fully settled again and is an autonomous chiefdom under the Coosa paramountcy/kingdom
1540s-1600s: De Soto happens, everything kinda goes to hell, Etowah enters final decline and abandonment
@@thederpylizard3526 There was a fourth occupancy, which may have been a development of the third occupancy that lasted until the early 1700s. The professors who guided the remodeling of Etowah Museum "erased" that phase, but you can still see the footprints of its buildings on the plaza of Mound A.
copper was mined in clay county Alabama also
It's very high quality copper too. Apparently, this special type of copper is associated with gold deposits, because gold was mined in Clay County, AL in the past.
46:50 The diorama of the statues being dumped into a shallow grave was still there this morning (sat july 30 2022) but there was no text on that whole display, nothing to explain the scene. It was all confusing. A weird interpretive gap at the museum, regarding the most impressive artifacts there. And the 2 guys working there today were friendly and seemed cool and answered direct questions. (I asked where the marble was quarried. Answer: Around Jasper, about 40 miles upstream.) But they didn't seem to want to talk about the marble statue diorama. They didn't volunteer any info. Thanks for helping me understand why the vibe around the exhibit felt so weird. Almost as if the institution knows the story laid out there is bullshit but they're not sure of the right way to tell it
Their response to me showing the staff the actual archaeological report on Etowah Mounds was to take down the sign. However, Southeastern archaeologists continue to describe the fake history of Etowah as fact. Did you notice that the film they show visitors implies that the Cherokees also occupied Etowah, when in fact, the Cherokees never lived there and did not arrive in the Cartersville Area until 1795, when the land was secretly given to them by the US Government. You do realize that the archaeological report was handed to me by Dr. Kelly in the lobby of the museum, which you visited and that one of my favorite professors at Georgia Tech designed the museum? i guess, one could consider me a link between the past and the present. I will have to stay healthy! LOL
@@peopleofonefire9643 Yes, you had better stay healthy! This is an awesome video and your voice needs to keep sounding. So, what happened in 1795, exactly? Do you have a source you can steer me towards? I was under the impression that after the Red Sticks sided with the British and then got beaten by Jackson et al at Horseshoe Bend, then that's when the Cherokees moved in on the Coosa River territory. I'm really just learning about this history
10:50 I would like to know if this type of wear was seen in earlier woodland peoples. Would the chiefs, warriors, and civilians of let say Kolomoki and crystal river look not that much differently than those of Etowah or Ocmulgee? If not, What were the big differences?
I don't think that anybody knows what they looked like. The acid soil and high humidity of the Southeast generally dissolves vegetative fibers within a few years. There are very few artistic portrayal of people in the Woodland Period.
@@peopleofonefire9643 they at least wouldn’t have looked like “glorified hunter gatherers” wouldn’t they?
No, they would not have looked like hunter-gatherers. Woven fabrics and fish nets were found in the peat of Windover Pond in Florida and dated to be 6-8,000 years old.,@@thederpylizard3526
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wow! thanks so much for sharing this. Are you in GA still?
Yes, I live in the Nacoochee valley between Helen and Clarkesville.
In 1794, the Federal government signed a peace treaty with the Cherokee Nation in which the Cherokees ceded most of their land in Tennessee and almost all their land in North Carolina. In return, they were given the Creek's and Chickasaw's lands in NW Georgia and NE Alabama. Neither the Creeks nor the Chickasaws were particularly happy about this, but large numbers of Cherokees had settled in extreme NW Georgia and NE Alabama after the American Revolution, so there was no much Creek leaders could do, except demand large sections of Alabama . . . which they did receive. Those additional lands were taken away from the Creeks in 1814. Missionary Elias Cornelius arrived in what is now Cartersville in 1818. He was told that Cherokees did not move farther south to the vicinity of Etowah Mounds until 1795 and that they never lived in or near the mounds, because they thought the place was haunted.
I had a question. Was the town at Etowah engaged in mineral extraction from the area nearby? Specifically where they mining different minerals from the hills near the river? I was told by someone at the archaeological site that the people who lived here we’re engaged in the extraction and processing of a mineral called Ochre, which was yellow, Brown, and red. I noticed that there is still a company in the area that continues to mine occur commercially. If it’s true, and the people who lived there did that then it would really help me a lot to know this is true because I have found a lost village in South Carolina that is similar in some respects. At this lost Village location I have found evidence of red and yellow ocher extraction. I cannot get the archaeologists to help me at all because they do not have a vested interest in this. In fact, I think they are trying to shut me up. Richard, if you read this, please contact me I need help.
I have read archaeological reports that major export products from Etula (Etowah) were paint pigments such as red and yellow ocher, aluminum oxide, barium oxide and manganese oxide. Not having a time machine, I have no way on knowing to what extent those speculations are true.
@@peopleofonefire9643 understood. We had a time machine we could answer a lot of questions that have been obscured over the years by fiction and contrivance. I can tell you for a fact that there is ocher in the area in the hills surrounding the Etowah river valley. I went down to Cooper’s furnace and saw the smelting furnace there. I also saw the oxide coming out of the rocks and the cliff faces around the area. I got permission and took some samples of ocher from one of the mining slag pile sites to bring back to South Carolina to compare with what I have found, and with a little bit of a difference in texture and color variation, it is a match. I have found a place that might have connections to the site at Etowah. Still working on identifying the pieces of pottery. It’s located on a River in South Carolina. Without divulging too many details, this place does not exist according to the archaeologists that have done work in the area. According to the travels and the map of Juan Pardo, it does. All of the lost villages, except for two have been tentatively identified. I think this is one of the last two. The lack of cooperation of academics and officials is baffling. So I’m on my own documenting it now. I’ve had to get help from knowledgeable persons outside the state who have had exposure to this type of cultural site.
Probably has something to do with nearby ladds mountain. The natives definitely knew about it.
@@peopleofonefire9643 do you know where I would be able to get a copy of any of those reports? The more reports I read about the other locations around the one I found the more information I’m getting and I am starting to form a much more interesting picture of the area. By the way, pottery found on site dates to the middle Mississippian.
@@Cnice93 , I kind of figured that with some of the areas nearby, such as red top mountain. It’s pretty much a giveaway. Ocher is not necessarily rare to find, because it’s actually located all over areas that have ancient clay deposits. What is more unusual is to find an ocher deposit that showed evidence of being excavated and finding stone tools still there. Out west they find these things but here in the southeast if it’s ever been found, I’ve never seen it reported anywhere publicly. It’s one of the more frustrating aspects of dealing with archaeology. They tend to keep things to themselves. I’m going to be nice and not say anything mean.
Osyio to really enjoy you videos , was wandering if you have any info on Cherokee like the island we say we originate from would make since if it was tetowacan
That is a tradition from the Algonquian and Iroquoian peoples of the Northeast and Southeastern Canada, so it makes sense that at least some Cherokee bands would have picked it up. You have to be careful about most of the "Cherokee" legends floating around these days. Most of them date from the late 20th and early 21st century. I have a photocopy of the original manuscript of "The Early History of the Cherokee People (1826) by Cherokee Principal Chief Charles Hicks. In his opening chapter, he stated that the reason that he wrote the book was that most of the Cherokee People could remember no farther back than about 10-20 years. They did not have a record keeping system like the Creeks. Hicks was a very learned man and had one of the largest personal libraries in the United States at that time. His history differs starkly with what contemporary Cherokees are telling people. He placed the Cherokees in southern Canada and West Virginia until around the time Charleston was settled. French maps show the Cherokee living along the St. Lawrence River until 1650. They are next shown as vassals of the Tiononteca in West Virginia. The Tiononteca were from Mexico, so it makes sense that the Cherokees might have picked up some of their legends. That is about all I can tell you.
Thank you so much story I heard was simplified they said we went so far north the corn wouldn't grow then came back down and followed the sun . I have watched probably all your videos great content keep making videos I really enjoy them from Oklahoma wado friend
Oh and the feathered serpent at the ketoowa mound ?
Peace and Love my friend I am truly grateful for the truth you spoke
This is in Cartersville GA right?
Yes, it is! I lived in Cartersville, near the mounds from 1998 until 1999.
@@peopleofonefire9643 interesting. We passed by the park for the first time last weekend. It's all so amazing to me.
@@justinshultz9245 You need to walk all the grounds of the town to really get the feeling of the place, especially along the river. Keep in mind that over half of the original town from 1000 AD to 1200 AD is on the south side of the Etowah River and not within the state's park boundaries.
@@peopleofonefire9643 ever looked into the battle of tallussahatchee in the creek war?
@@justinshultz9245 Justin, I really have not done much reading on the Redstick Creek War. My Creek ancestors cut their ties with Creek Confederacy when it gave away its most sacred shrine, Yamacutah, in NE Georgia in 1784. My ggg-grandfather was in the Creek Regular Army regiment, which fought the British on the coast of Georgia during the War of 1812. They wanted nothing to do with either side in the Redstick War - Creek Brother killing Creek Brother.
I wonder if the town of Tallassee in Alabama which used to be Talisi when the Creek were there derived from these people.
Yes, the word means "Tula - Decendant of"
You are doing some of the most important work for the history and legacy of the southeast of North America. Glad to have found you. Blessings on your path 🤝
That is a very kind thing to say sir!
This is of African American built these our ancestors were the indeginous people of America
I live near Angel Mounds (Evansville, Indiana). Any evidence of South Americans traveling up to or populating that area also?
Yes, the stone ruins on the Devil's Backbone near Charlestown, Indiana were pure Peruvian in design. Moche style pottery has been been found in the alluvial soil between the precipice and the bank of the Ohio.
Thank you for this. It helped a lot putting some of the pieces together here. I believe some of the towns and villages that were dotted here and there further south landed here in Laurens County. There is a village near Dublin that was excavated that predates their "theories" as to when native Americans lived here. They've kept it very quiet. It bothers me greatly to know they have been hiding it. They have yet to publish it's discovery. There are two mounds near fish trap cut by the country club. We live just south/southwest of that location at the end of the Uchee trail. The info on the rivers helps too. Ty again. I've been trying to figure out why there seemed to be such drastic changes in the waterways. It's so difficult to get the true history...so much just...erased. It's frustrating. I'm figuring things out a bit but now I also understand why the artifacts are so different and seem to have had a sudden change at some point in history. I bet the Cherokee boast making bricks too don't they? I don't believe they did. I've found red pottery sherds here that are indicative of South American redware. I think some of the pottery, figures, and bricks here were created by those who lived here before them. The rich bright red clay and the blue that looks much like Maya blue found on many things here tells more of a story than has ever been told. I know now what I have to do. Seeing your videos of your research has helped greatly. I'll do what I can to preserve what I have and any others I find in the future.
Oh yes! Dublin, GA was always a major center of Native American culture. I am fairly certain that the large proto-Creek town there, was visited by Hernando de Soto. That blue colored clay turns into white ceramics, when it is fired. It is highly esteemed by potters. Both in southern Mexico and Georgia, the regular folks mainly made shell-tempered redware for their day to day kitchenware. Good to hear from you,
@@peopleofonefire9643 By the way, I believe you are exactly right about De Soto. I've found ship spikes and Spanish coins in our yard and field. The clay that turns white when fired must be what I keep finding here. It's everywhere...chalky though.
I am Richard Thornton. My RUclips channel is People of One Fire. I have several Creek friends, who are from Dubiln. Also, one of my Little Brothers at my fraternity at Georgia Tech was from Dublin. Some still live there. This is a public comment column, so I won't state their names.
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Wow, thanks so much for this video. I think you just helped me solve a mystery about a place I have found. It explains the presence of evidence from different time periods on location. Its too bad no one will ever know, except me and a few others.
Hey Jim my name is wes have you ever compiled any information on cherokee we have origin stories of migrating South of America to america yet our brothers from the north say we have always been here but our elders say we had a priest class that were eating people and something about aa feathered dragon 🐉 just trying to find more info
I can explain that. The Cherokees were really an alliance of tribes like the Creeks. At least one tribe, maybe more, the Teononecatl were Chichimecas from northern Mexico - who definitely sacrificed and ate people.
Be cautious of anyone claiming to pass on something as a Cherokee elder or brother. Most of that stuff is BS made up in the late 20th century. By 1764, after 50 years of constant war, multiple plagues and major population replacement with children and teens from other tribes, the Cherokees had completely forgotten their history and their original artistic heritage. There were no ceremonies for either weddings or funerals. Bodies were merely dumped into rivers.
As is the case today, many Cherokee women back then were bisexual. It was common for women to have lifetime female partners, but live with a series of men throughout their lives. Some marriages lasted no longer than a month. This also had a major impact on cultural continuity. You can read about the real Cherokee History in Lt. Henry Timberlake's memoirs (1764) or in Cherokee Principal Chief Charle Hicks book, The History of the Cherokee People. (1826).
Well, I'm here in 2022, watching this at 3am in Brisbane Australia.. after checking out the local aboriginal history of the Moreton Islands here in brissy, mate, I'm not sure how I wound up on your video... but it was just fantastic!! All round. You presented the whole thing start to finish so comprehensively.. your cultural background helps to explain and interestingly overwrite, quite simply at some points. Long standing theory. Your professionalism, especially with the crafting of the scene.. the river water and canoes!!
That was hands down worth the watch. Thoroughly enjoyed the learning. And your production was fascinating even to a foreigner from the way deep DEEP south. Ha.
Brilliant.
Striker Vaan Kelly, you just became m Public Relation rep! I don't consider Aussies as being foreigners. We're first cousins. After working in Sweden, I backpacked all over Europe. I generally traveled with Aussies, New Zealanders and Canadians, because I more in common with them than I did the Yankees. Check out the People of One Fire video on the Nacoochee Mound. You will get a better feeling of where I live - actually I live on the crest of a heavily forested mountain.
@@peopleofonefire9643 Maori, Irish living in Australia. So g'day cuzzy! Kiaora koutou.
I'm definately checking out Narcoochee. Here in the Moreton Islands in Qld. We have a coochiemudlo island. Our Aboriginals are the Quandamooka and Minjerriba Peoples. Although I'm a kiwi, I live and work here in Oz so I stick to thier laws n always respect the traditional owners, custodians of the lands. I study and research the true histories as you would understand. They differ greatly to what is recorded. Sometimes the best ambassadors for recognition, healing and unity for the first nations peoples are within the mindsets of the ancestors of the same settlers that came and impacted the original bloodlines and history. To be aware, educated and respectful firstly, good place to start.
I'm glad it brought me to your video.
New subscriber..
@@essveekaye Guess what Stryker? My family is part Maori Polynesian. We are also part Maya. Evidently some branch of the Maori settled on the coast of the State of Georgia instead of going to New Zealand, and became one of the Indian tribes. We also have proof that during the Bronze Age, people came here from SW Ireland and settled in some river valleys in the mountains. Other valleys were occupied by colonists from southern Sweden. The rock carvings of the Bronze Age Irish and Bronze Age Swedish were a little different. This video will explain the geography and geology and also show you some of the stone ruins. The attraction for all these peoples was the gold. The Georgia Mountains contain the purest gold in the world. Here is the URL of the video: ruclips.net/video/XRV8ikiSJ4I/видео.html
@@peopleofonefire9643 no wonder I just clicked with your channel. !! RUclips is an amazing place and just look how small our wonderful world can be hey.
@@peopleofonefire9643 my mother travelled to China, Mongolia, inner areas around 96, 97... she came back and told me the Mongolian tour guide could've passed for her twin brother, his English was great but he also spoke fluent Maori?!? ... he said in Maori he was stoked to have her on the tour because he had something to show her.
Somewhere up there in the mountains they had an ancient stone building that as they got close up to resembled astonishingly a Maori Whare, the meeting house had been there forever n the story to the locals was that a few 9 ft maoris turned up outta nowhere one day n never left.... they handed the language n some te whakaairo carving skills. The building was thier house.
U know Richard I never really believed her because... inner Mongolia!!!! Okaaaaay.
Until now.
My Uncle, that lived in Savannah, Ga. did drawings here for an Archeologist with the last name of Waring long before my birth. Some of the Artifacts that were found on Sacred Land. My Uncle Paul. He was an Artist. He sketched artifacts found. My father's deceased brother. Much respect.. 🙏🕊 Thank you for sharing Richard. My father Climbed the Pyramids of the Moon and Sun in Mexico. I was at the Ruins in Tulum. Love learning about this.
That archaeologist was Antonio Waring. I have climbed the Pyramid of the Sun several times. I climbed the pyramid of the Moon once. You need to see my videos on the fellowship I had in Mexico. I visited all of the major archaeological sites in Mexico, plus dozens that few people have hear of. Here is the URL for the first of five videos that I did on Teotihuacan - ruclips.net/video/DqA2izfpdMw/видео.html I climbed the 10,000 feet high mountain ABOVE Teotihuacan and looked down on the ancient city.
@@peopleofonefire9643 Amazing! I will most definitely begin to watch all your videos. Amazing how I found you.
Truly amazing work… thank you my friend 🙏
And thank you sir!
I find it interesting that there are mounds all over the east coast but no mounds in the West.
That's pretty much true. Mound-building actually began much earlier in the Southeastern United States than even in Mexico. Georgia's oldest known mound was constructed around 3545 BC. The oldest known pottery in North America is also found in Georgia - at least 2500 BC. Southern Mexico did not have either mounds or pottery until around 1000 BC.
@@peopleofonefire9643 absolutely astounding! This was never taught in school! Thanks for posting this hidden history.., I’ve subscribed to your channel 👌🏾
@@UnDisclozed I was never taught that in college either. When I was on my fellowship in Mexico, everyone assumed that the mounds in Mexico were older. "Everyone" had a big surprise when the results of radiocarbon dating came back. That is why I am producing these videos. There is factual information out there on the Southeastern Native Americans, but it does not seem to get in the tourist brochures and state history books.
For unknown reasons, the voice track of the video is now stopping when we get to the point, where I discuss the deletions made in Wikipedia articles on North Georgia counties in 2012. Just use your mouse to move to the next frame and the voice track continues. Sorry about that folks! This video is under RUclips's stewardship now.
People of One Fire hello my name is scott and I’m contacting you about your incredible Discovery’s at Etula. Especially your insight to the original town extending far beyond the false conclusion drawn by less than professional archaeology. And I say that with a smile lol. I have done grading all my adult life. Starting when I was 16 and working my way up from ground man to site Forman!. I’m by no means a trained archaeologists. But what I have is a lifetime of site development. I know my soil and rock formations by heart.in sort after watching your video, I pulled old deeds and topographical maps of the location and what surveys of the land in and around Etula. To my astonishment there they where just has you said. The other earth mounds. Or I should say their footprints!. See has you are aware I’m sure that amount of soil placed in a relative small area. Leaves a footprint even if the structure is removed!. That tremendous amount of weight baring down on the landscape all those year’s leaves a impression!. Just has you stated “ south of the river “. It’s there for anyone with a train eye to see!. I’m very familiar with the different types of soil conditions that exist here in northwest Georgia. Having lived and worked in this area for 30 years!. I don’t live far from cartersville,ga. If I can help in anyway please feel free to contact me.
@@flatbedhaulingwithscottn6111 Scott, what is most important for the people in the Cartersville area to do is keep Etowah Mounds open to the public. The state is again thinking about shutting down all the Native American historic sites to save money. The state never did fully reopen New Echota. The problem is that the politicians do not seem to appreciate the protection and honoring of Georgia rich heritage like the public does. People like you will have to speak up in advance about how import a place Etowah is. I have old archaeological books which describe the archaeologists digging in the mounds, south of the river, but the current generation of archaeologists seemed to have forgotten them.
@@peopleofonefire9643 have you heard of Judaculla Rock in Jackson County NC? It’s like 35 mins from me I’ve been there few times. Said to be oldest petroglyph in North America, an old webpage (circa 2004) showed there were other petroglyphs around western NC. Never heard of the ones in Georgia you showed tho.
@@chowderwhillis9448 Yes, I am familiar with Judaculla. It is the Cherokee mispronunciation of the Creek words Sjuda Kura, which mean "sky above the province of Kura. It is not the oldest petroglyphic rock in North America by a long shot. There are many, many more petroglyphs in North Georgia than in North Carolna. I lived in the Asheville area for 10 years. I am very familiar how the locals there tend to exaggerate things and not be aware of cultural attractions just beyond the state line.
Extremely well done video. I’ve been in north ga most of my life. I plan on checking these mounds out this week. Wanted to get an idea of what I was looking at before going and this video was perfect. Thanks for the proper education on this!!
Certainly some… interesting interpretations here…
Must watch this video to understand the history of the town and the surrounding area
Amazing, im going to have to visit!
Oh my goodness! Back in 2009 or so, I went to Etowah Mounds and so fell in love with the energy that I tried to find a job and move there! Now I know why!
Can you tell us more about the fast-paced music and the wind/percussion instruments? As you already know, I recently had a vision calling me to continue the music of my ancestors, but I'm not a musician and not exactly sure how to proceed. . . .
I will do a video just on the musical instruments a little later in the year. I have a collection of hand-made indigenous musical instruments, which I can record.
Oh my goodness! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
I am Creek/Cherokee of Georgia and choctaw/chickasaw Alabama. Great video
Thank you! The videos will become more polished as I learn my new software that was purchased after this one was made.
Bro, why the rebel flag tho ?
Brandon!!! Come on man!!! How are you claiming indigenous heritage?
‘Current generation of archaeologists…’ Vikings… Maya… wow
101, 727 views. I subscribed to your channel. Last three numbers. 727. My Birthday. I think God wanted me to see this. Peace be with you, Sir
The music of the seberians is interesting.
Thank you for this outstanding video and the lifelong effort to save history. Your work on the diorama was superb.
Thank you! I am gradually improving my skills at video-making. I have a video camera now, so soon you will start seeing more sophisticated programs.
why are those effigy items on Permanent loan? they could print them a copy and give back to Georgia museum.
Most of the statues have disappeared. Until the State of Georgia took control of its important archaeological sites, northeastern archaeologists would take all the "loot"', dug up back to their museums. Over time, the museums would give the artifacts to wealthy families, who had given money to the museums or to the universities, where the museums were located. Also, we are currently trying to get back huge family-owned collections that Robert Wauchope "borrowed" in the Nacoochee Valley during 1939.
Richard I have a sight for you to try to explain for me off the Etowah it’s on a conservative land. I live in dawsonville, I’ve always been told I’m mix creek and Cherokee but the way things are turning out I’m more creek than I thought. My whole Indian heritage is all over the coosa River valley. From Polly, Davis, Thompson, Williams, Ratliff, Ratleys, Pathkiller, Whitepath. My grandpa help co found the Whitepath golf course in Ellijay in memory of our family heritage.
Sure, tell me about it. I had to study the entire Etowah Basin prior to building the model for the Muscogee-Creek Nation. I have lived along four sections of the Etowah River.
It’s right across from my grandpas farm. My step mom told me it’s an Indian mound for satellite it looks to make a spear shape in lines with the the Etowah River. It’s for sale. I would like to learn more about it bc my Ratliff ratcliff family were merchants intermarriage with the Indians along the river and there are numerous ratcliff and ratcliff roads and conservations around the area. I really would love to learn more about my mvskogee heritage.
Do you still live in Dahlonega. I live in Dawsonville right across from the mound.
Would love to get a chance to talk to you. I’ve always tried to learn Cherokee heritage but the more I uncover the more I see why I’m not fully excepted by my Cherokee friends.
Could you get the latitude and longitude of this mound for me? I have also found spear shaped mounds on Cochran Creek in Dawson County and in NW Habersham County.
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Alot of so called "Cherokee" from and around GA are 5 dollar indians , my ancestors didn't even go by these names. This is what paper genocide & the trail of tears leaves us with & it's sad .
What did your ancestors go by?
Exactly,The indigenous seberians people are the perfect cast to play the native Americans who is there offspring.They chanting, hopping around,and colorful style of dressed is interesting and they lived in mound house also.But my machis creek ancestors of alabama were farmers,hunters and unfortunately turn sharecroppers they wasn't acting like serberians they were landowners and holticulturist.
@@leannhoward7306 Come on People everybody knows the native Americans today are the offspring of the indigenous serberian people.And seberian people are an interesting people.But so called african american share croppers of alabama were actually the aborigines american indians.My ancestors/ grandpa and aunt and Grannie us from Alabama of the machis creek indian tribe.And many of us are creek and cherokee people here in major cities.
Approx 20 yrs ago, during a development of land along the etowah river and a creek which ran into it in bartow co. a cache of artifacts were discovered. Remnants of a village. Us workers were ushered out as every department head and every subordinate who drove a bartow county vehicle swooped in like vultures. Very sad. Land rape. Theres a subdivision, road and bridge on top of the area. The articacts were looted by the county employees.
Yes, I was living in Cartersville at that time. I heard about it too. The archaeological site was in a national historic district, and the construction activity involved use of federal and state funds . . . which meant that by both state and federal law, Cartersville was required to file a Section 106 report, prepared by a professional archaeologist.
My ancestors are from Pine Log creek in Bartow Co. And from what I was told they were a lot of mixed Creek and Cherokee some Uchi but mostly Creek.
This is so crazy... I used to live with my dad at Broken Arrow mobile home park back in 1996-97. I remember when they excavated the base of the large mound.
Would you recommend a comprehensive book on native american architecture ?
EXCELLENT! MORE TRUTHFUL VIDEOS, PLEASE! THANK YOU, RICHARD THORNTON! Your views line up with my Grandfather's thoughts perfectly...he was a Cherokee / Creek Georgia Indigenous Aborigine born in the 1890's.
You should create a video on your family's history!
Nelda Smith so was my great grandma ❤️... bloodline 💪🏾
I hate to bother you again But do you habe or even know about the cave that lyes sw and on the other side of the river approx. 1mi away ?
Its beside or just west of the school house in the top of a small hill . I've dropped in it a few years ago and had a terrifying experience .
I would love to pick your brain ! Especially on Indian and the war of northern aggression ! Any info would be greatly appreciated . thank you again and GOD BLESS .
I lived in Cartersville for several years and never knew that there was a cave there.
@@peopleofonefire9643 I've heard it goes toward the river . idk
I just slid into the entrance ....let me explain right in the top of the hill beside the school it has a sink hole . looks kinda like a typical strata volcano . you know a cone shape with the crater in the top . looks just like that . me and a good friend slid into said cave intrance him before me when I got far enough in to see into the cave my buddy was approx. 8 to 10 feet from me . he stood up turned toward me and looked up at the ceiling hat was barely above his head . the ceiling looked kind off you know just didn't look like the ceilings in most caves . by the way I'm a vertical caver . anyhow he reaches up and just touched the ceiling with one finger and BOOM !!!! There was a section of rock 8 feet long 4 feet wide and 2 feet thick dropped between us . of course he did not need to tell me that he thought we should turn around and leave because I wasn't there . I was waiting on him outside .
If you ever in the aeria you should check it out it's said that the local Indians used this cave I don't nesaceraly believe what I here but I found out later my cousin hunts arrowheads and he said a few years earlier he had gone into the cave and found approx. 25 - 30 complete heads just lying on the floor . quarts points look archaic pos mississippian . but that's just a guess on my part .
But yea it's a room inside with several passages that are 2 and a half feet high that leed in 3 different directions . it was verry interesting felt like something special or spiritual maby spooky took place in there . I looked it up on Google earth you can see the hill and cave but not as good as I would like to show you but check it out I could be something ...or I could be just another hole in the ground . God BLESS
There are 2 sites in Yucatan identified as sources of the mineral palygorskite. I owe ya'll whether the mineral in paintings has been traced to those sites but sources do exist within the Mesoamerican variable limits. There is much controversy even for Turquoise from the Southwest US travellin' south to Central Mexico in large quantities.
Those are tiny deposits, which wouldn't even supply one large city. I am fairly certain they were mining mica and shipping it down the Chattahoochee. The Mayas used vast quantities of mica in their stucco, cosmetics and murals. The nearest deposit of mica in Mexico was on the west side of Pocatepetl volcano. The mountains east of Pocatepetl are extremely rugged. The next nearest deposits would be in Georgia along the Chattahoochee River, so the mica could be shipped by freight boat all the way to the coast of Yucatan and then up rivers as far as the mountains. I was very nervous about the attapulgite test because Scott only took a sample from one mine. Each mining zone in Georgia and the Florida Panhandle has a different signature. He just happened to luck out that he matched the stucco from one building with one mine.
I absolutely adore this. Roman myself, in the Georgian sense. You taught me so much I was eager to learn. "Pretty groovy,huh?" Super groovy! The whole thing is the grooviest.
Glad you enjoyed it. Our videos will become more sophisticated over time.
People of One Fire The sound of a Georgian accent is the most sophisticated thing in the world to me. To be genuine, I can throw a rock and hit Major Ridges home but you taught me a history of my land I understood better than a good education and even extensive reading could. Because what you're teaching is not in any book I've ever read. It's just not out there and a lot of people want and need to know. Sophistication is beautiful. But the knowledge is so much more precious.
You are so kind. Richard Thornton is my name. I lived in Rome, while working on the plans for a two block downtown revitalization project at the intersection of Broad Street and Second Avenue. My rental house was on the hill just south of the old cemetery . . . overlooking the Etowah River and Downtown. Incredible view.
PS - Now the Rome cops . . . they were strange back then. They somehow decided that I was a federal agent spying on them . . . gave me a lot of trouble. LOL
People of One Fire Georgia is a Land of Love and I'll stick to that. But we have a "Good Ol' Boys" problem. Tanya Tucker once predicted the South would rise again ... With profound love. And show the entire nation how to forge communities. We will get there.
Loved it good job ! I live just south of the mounds and have even walked the aeria and found artifacts . you just explaind more in this short film . than I ever knew or ever heard of I love it ! I've lived here all my 51 years and have always studied the local history
Do you know anything about the people's that lived on raccoon creek or pegamore creek ? I live in the burnt hickory aeria any information you have on North of Cartersville South to say Douglasville ? Thank you thumbs up ! God bless .
People started settling into permanent "garden" villages on the Etowah River around 400 BC or perhaps much earlier. Robert Wauchope found permanent villages with mounds that may date back to 1000 BC. Those village sites on Raccoon and Pegamore Creek evolved into satellite villages of Etowah, which in Itza Maya and Itzate Creek was called Etula . . . the principal town. Anywhere there was a large expanse of tillable land on the trail to Burnt Hickory and Douglasville, there would have been more satellite villages.
@@peopleofonefire9643 thank you !
Hey Bud, this is Richard Thornton. I used the name of our organization, because there are zillions of Richard Thornton's on the web. I was the guy, who stumbled upon the Track Rock ruins. Have a blessed week.
@@peopleofonefire9643 have you heard of giants occupying the etawah sight ? Another channel has that BADFORMATION out .
Thanks for your comments . God bless .
That was absolute malarkey, just to attract viewers. The Creek Indians averaged a foot taller than Europeans at the time of contact, but we are NOT supernatural giants.
My Great-Great Grandmother, My Great Grandmother and my Grandmother and Grandfather sat me down at age 13 and told me our Cherokee (Grandfather also told me of his Creek) history and ancestry. I was told not to tell anyone because Cherokee & Creek were regarded as trash by everyone in The South - even though many Southerners at that time shared the same ancestry. My Grandfather was a dead ringer for Geronimo .
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Early spring of 1998 the state of Georgia closed public access to Stamp Creek where it enters Lake Allatoona about 13 miles to the north east of the Etowah Mounds off of Hwy 20.
My family had been going there fishing and swimming since my father was a boy.
We loved it because it was secluded even during the busiest times of the summer.
After being told by several different people that it was closed to the public I stopped by one afternoon to find out why.
Before getting close to the lake I was confronted and was told it would be at least a year before the public could use the Stamp Creek area.
When I ask why they had closed the area I was told they had found a substantial village site that could be from 1000 AD to 1300 AD, do not ask any more questions. Don't come back for at least a year and anyone caught there would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
The Stamp Creek location is only seventeen miles from my home I still haven't been back.
I was a plumber by trade for close too twenty years. I got my Georgia State Masters Licences in 1996, I subcontracted work from other plumbing companies before and after receiving my masters licences besides contracting work for myself.
While working in that area I got to talk to several people that had lived in Bartow county as well as Euharlee, Georgia since their births.
Just about every old timer I talked to said there were more mounds in the Etowah town complex. Several said the smaller mounds were removed by the county and state for roadbed on several road projects around the area.
Parts were removed for the richness of the soil. Some were desecrated, scattered about ground and plowed under just because they were built by the Native Americans.
The irony is, Christopher, that Georgia and Alabama have lost numerous, major Native town sites in the past three decades because the archeologists keep things so secret that they forgot about the mound sites themselves. Just in the past year I have watched in horror on satellite imagery as two mounds, one in Dawson County, the other on the Flint River in Crawford County, GA were destroyed by new property owners. Both had official State of Georgia site numbers and contained human burials. It was illegal to touch them, but as a budget-saving measure, most local and regional historic preservation planners have been laid off in both Alabama and Georgia. I don't know why the Dawson County guy did it. He didn't even live on the property. The Crawford County mounds were bulldozed because a limited liability partnership of wealthy Atlantans wanted to take advantage of tax shelters provided for those who grow corn to make ethanol alcohol for fuels.
Check, Assategue Mound, or whats left of it!
Wow, this guy said 'Northerners treat Southerners like their black'. What a lunatic!
Your opinion is so important I don't know how the world turned before you came into it
Actually, what he said was when he was a kid that was true. I still see the stigma that southerners are somewhat inferior to Northerners, even today, though it may be so ingrained at this point you might not consciously recognize it.
I don’t think you were paying close enough attention to everything he said and also, are you aware that Richard is of Apalachee/creek Indian descent? If you are not, then you have not been paying attention. It is a known fact and unfortunate part of life that in the southern states, and in some of the western states, even now… That people who have darker colored skin or dark hair were treated with a mild form of scorn or contempt buy a lot of southerners. I’m a southerner, and I hate this part of my own history in the southern states, but it’s not the only part of the country where this happens to be true. I have encountered people from northern states coming into the southern states who treated me personally as if I was a backwards, inbred hillbilly that never took a bath and didn’t know much of anything. I’m not gonna say that all people from northern states behave like this because that would not be fair. But back in the 1970s when I was a kid it was true. some people are just ignorant. Richard was trying to make a point about something he personally experienced. I can I dignify with that because it has happened to me as well. The difference is I have blonde hair and blue eyes and I never had to deal with the racial issue. Just the social one.
Hello friend new sub here: We have some mounds not far from where I live in Arkansas called Toltec Mounds...Very interesting video so thank you for sharing...
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Confederate soldiers were treated as criminals. They had to pledge allegiance to the Union before being allowed to return home or being a citizen again. They were denied war pensions so when you order the military file for a Confederate soldier, you will only get maybe a couple of pages. Whereas with Union soldiers you can get a ton of information. All of the southern states had to pay for the cost of the Civil War. Arkansas finally paid off their share of the debt in the 1960s.
The Southern states had to pay the pensions of Confederate soldiers. Did you know that a regiment of Ohio infantry stole all the artifacts from the homes around Etowah Mounds, while encamped there during and after the Battle of Atlanta? They also burned all the schools, colleges, barns, stores, mills and industrial buildings in Bartow County, (where Etowah is located) while encamped there. So actually there is a connection between Etowah Mounds and the Civil War.
Confederates were honorable but if I could go back in time and take some stuff with me like a howitzer machine guns,rocket launchers,hand grenades,........I'd help burn clear to New York and see how they like that shit yankees fought so dirty southern gents were never so dispicable
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Do the Maya peoole or tribes there have stomp dance too? Amd what about stickball games? They dont play that down there either do they
there were about 138 "Maya" tribes and only one, in northeastern Yucantan, called themselves Maya. Yes, Stickball was played by the Itza Mayas, Tamatli and Totonacs, plus was the principal game at Teotihuacan. The Stomp Dance is done by many peoples from central Mexico to Peru. Remember the Creek Confederacy was formed from 28 tribal towns. Most had distinct origins in various parts of Mexico and the Americas. My Native American DNA is a mixture of southern Mesoamerican and Panoan from Peru. I have no DNA markers typical of North American Indians, except the Muskogeans.
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